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Reply #60 posted 10/01/19 9:18am

violetcrush

OldFriends4Sale said:

This piece alone tells you who prosylatized Prince. There is a lot of Larry Graham-ing in this one, like a lot of interviews from 98-2000


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While waiting for the Great and Powerful Oz to arrive, I chat with our hired stenographer -- who, like many, was once a Prince fan but hasn't followed his career since the late '80s. "Are there names or technical terms I should be familiar with?" Not really -- Larry Graham and "bass" are all that come to mind with the scary moment fast approaching. After reading numerous accounts of The Artist's often combative demeanor toward journalists, I was still unsure how to keep the conversation steered toward music specifics and away from his usual fashion-mag spiel: God, the millennium, and record-label wars.
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So how can a bassist achieve that kind of lock with a live drummer? "I'll tell you how Larry Graham does it: through his relationship with God. Bootsy plays a little behind the beat -- the way Mavis Staples sings -- but Larry makes the drummer get with him. If he wants to, he can stand up there and go [mimics 16th-note slap line] all night long and never break a sweat." Like the whirling dervishes of Sufi tradition? Exactly. But isn't it possible to create music as deep as Graham's without drawing inspiration from a higher power? "No, it isn't. All things come from God and return to God. I wouldn't say it necessarily needs to come from a higher place -- but it does need to come from another place."
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The Artist still raves about the original Revolution bassist, Brown Mark (who took over for Andre Simone), calling him the tightest bass player next to Graham himself.

in addition to Graham, the group's Mill City Music Festival performance included James Brown saxophonist Maceo Parker, who also has free rein over the Paisley Park facilities for his own projects. Of course, Graham fits seamlessly into New Power Generation -- and you can be sure The Artist never needs to tell him to play less and listen more.
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Because nobody can play that line like I can. It's like 'Hair' [1973's Graham Central Station, Warner Bros.], or 'Lopsy Lu' [Stanley Clarke, Epic] - nobody can play those parts better than Larry and Stanley."
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The Artist picks up a phone receiver and -- without dialing -- summons Hans-Martin Buff, his engineer, who fetches Graham's white Moon bass. "Now imagine me teaching Larry Graham how to play this," he scoffs as he plugs into the board and lays into the "Let's Work" line.
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Skipping my planned opening query, I quick-search the page for the most technical question I can find. "Okay. Do you have a tone recipe for great funk bass?"


Without a pause: "Larry Graham. Larry Graham is my teacher." The Artist continues, veering quickly away from funk tone to God, to all of us being connected by the Spirit -- but just as suddenly he claps his hands sharply, jumps up from his seat, and bellows a joyful noise. "Why do you need a stenographer to type out 'Larry Graham'? That's my answer to your question -- it is all you need to know. Just write down 'Larry Graham' in your notebook!"
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Things went much smoother once I had been paisley-whipped into shape. Yet it seemed no matter what I asked, the conversation turned to either God, Larry Graham, or both -- The Artist freely admitting he modeled his bass style after Graham's. Prince first briefly met the slap pioneer at a Warner Bros. company picnic in 1978, by which time Larry had moved on from Sly & the Family Stone and was a star in his own right fronting Graham Central Station. The two met again a few years later, this time at a Nashville jam. "Larry's wife came up to him and pulled an effects box and cord out of her purse," The Artist remembers warmly. "Now that's love." But Graham and the man he calls "Little Brother" didn't develop a real relationship until the '90s -- "relationship" perhaps being an inadequate description. "Here's a guy who has a brother hug for you every day," says The Artist. "And once Larry taught me The Truth, everything changed. My agoraphobia went away. I used to have nightmares about going to the mall, with everyone looking at me strange. No more." The couple forged an ocean-deep spiritual connection -- The Artist is a Seventh Day Adventist, Graham a Jehovah's Witness. "I mean, Larry still goes around knocking on doors telling people The Truth. You don't see me doing that!"
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The Artist invited his "older brother" to Minneapolis, set him up with a house of his own, and welcomed him into the Paisley Park family, "signing" him to a handshake-based deal with NPG Records. Before long Graham was playing with The Artist's band New Power Generation and feasting Graham Central Station on Paisley's incredible rehearsal and studio facilities. And ever since, after years of always picking up the bass for at least a few numbers per set, The Artist has hardly touched the instrument onstage. "I can't even physically reach for it anymore," he laughs. Why? "I don't know. I hope it's out of respect for Larry, and not because I feel inadequate compared to him."


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Later The Artist reclined on a riser and pouted, "You might love Larry Graham, and you might love Morris Day -- but you don't love me!"


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Yet The Artist has plenty to say about the dangers of ego in a musical context. "My first bass player was Andre Cymone," he remembers, "and Andre's ego always got in the way of his playing. He always played on top of the beat, and I'm convinced that was just because he wanted to be heard. Andre and I would fight every night, because I was always trying to get him to sound like Larry Graham. Larry's happy just going [mimics thumping open-string quarter-notes] -- he's not interested in showing off. When you're showing off it means you aren't listening."
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The Artist currently owns eight basses, according to his tech, Takumi (who also works for Larry Graham).

BASS PLAYER
November, 1999 His Highness Gets Down!
By Karl Coryat


From mid 1998 through 2002 it seemed he was rarely without Larry by his side. No doubt he was a huge influence on him both personally and professionally.
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Very cool that he gave Mark high praise too. I loved his sound with Prince.
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Reply #61 posted 10/01/19 11:17am

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TheTruth123 said:

OldFriends4Sale said: Do you think it is possible that he felt this at at that time and then the same way about other people later on? Mani, Bria, Andy

Hard to say, different people, differerent passages of time

I mean in each circumstance I would suspect individuals bring out certain things.
Mayte was in his band, dancing, singing, touring etc since the latter part of the Diamonds & Pearls tour. I suspect he would look at her differently than Bria or Mani

"I implore you to realize that I'm perfectly healthy and happy. My wife and I, you can see nobody's kicked her out. We decided to do this whole thing together. The main course is spiritual well-being. My protection comes from my faith in God. I know I'm going to be all right."

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After a quick 20-minute drill, he walks his guest to the door. As Mayte showed him a magazine article on their new home in Spain that she's working on, you don't need to be persuaded that Prince is healthy, happy and, above all, all right.

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MINNEAPOLIS STAR TRIBUNE (1999)

A portrait of the Artist:,Healthy, happy, ready to play

Vickie Gilmer / Star Tribune

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Reply #62 posted 10/01/19 12:11pm

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PAPER * JUNE 1999

artist 2000

BY BETH COLEMAN

Sometimes when the Artist quotes Jesus, it's hard to tell whether he's referring to Him or himself. But when he says, "I am what I am," that particular biblical reference seems to be one he's trying to adopt personally. It would be a mistake to call the Artist's identification with Jesus a case of inflated ego. He talks about God and love and, yes, Jesus mostly with regard to speaking truthfully and letting go of "chaos" -- be it the industry, race madness or even overcompensation. Larry Graham -- former bassist for Sly and the Family Stone, current NPG artist and close friend and personal Zen master of the Artist -- helps him see through the webs of deception. And it is partially Graham who influences the Artist to speak a language of revelation and surrender. The self-producing one-man studio sits here and talks about...giving up. It's not surrendering he's referring to, but an all-pervasive spiritual sense of letting go. "Jesus surrendered unto love," the Artist says, "and He did what love told Him to do." The Artist concludes with the difficulties of reconciling fallen-world business with the one love of artistic collaboration: "In a perfect world, there is already an artists' community. It already exists, but it's virtual."

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What the Artist goes on to say is that wanting a monopoly on his lady had become the marital version of owning someone else's masters. From what he says, and from what others say, theirs has been an intensely romantic relationship, a kind of you-and-me-against-the-world vibe. But both felt it was starting to get weird. "We were drawing energy from strange people around us. Strange words and numbers, bad contracts. We had to step away from that," he explains. For a person who still uses "4" in place of "for" in song lyrics, the relationship between numbers and contracts -- both personal and financial -- weaves complicated, interrelated secret messages. He traces the origin of the marriage contract to Pontius Pilate organizing the consensus to crucify Jesus, but the short version of the story is that it was screwing up the Artist's world. He describes a relationship that some might categorize as vaguely co-dependent -- for a while he couldn't even give an interview without Mayte present. "I could not have sat in a room alone with someone like you" (meaning young, female and not totally butt), he tells me. Relying on someone so deeply, not to mention feeling possessive, jealous and the other emotions that go with having someone be "yours," was dangerous and, more to his point, deluded.
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"At first you might think that your mate is the God," the Artist reflects, "but you'd better hope that God is speaking through your mate." They are not divorced. Quite the contrary. They are happily joined, having transcended the mental and emotional bondage of marriage. When not floating among the astral planes, the couple like to spend time in Spain, in their lovely new house near Gibraltar, which will soon be featured in another form of virtual reality, Vanity Fair. (The Artist is still a rich guy, like some of the best social radicals.) "We pretend it didn't even happen," he says of the marriage. "Like a lot of things in life I don't like, I pretend it isn't there and it goes away. We decided to go back to the Garden."
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Does all this mean they've transcended the physical boundaries of the marriage bond too? The other question, post-"divorce," is monogamy. Considering his reputation as an international lover, one wonders, is the Artist good to the yoni? "They always exaggerate," he says quite demurely, alluding to the baker's dozen of high-profile women he's been teamed with in the press throughout his career. I tell him I saw Warren Beatty on Charlie Rose scoffing at the idea of monogamy in a modern marriage as basically some medieval throwback. Beatty indicated that it's just not part of the animal. (After getting that close to Halle Berry onscreen, I could see why -- no disrespect, Annette.) The Artist calls upon higher powers for his answer: "Let's say I'm monogamous with God," providing better counsel for Clinton than his lawyers did. In New York for a week, the Artist says he wants to check out some music, the Roots in particular (he's down with their drummer, ?uestlove). From what I heard later, his sampling of the local talent was not limited to music. But once rumor kicks in on the Unpronounceable One, it is an endless spin cycle.

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Reply #63 posted 10/01/19 1:23pm

violetcrush

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PAPER * JUNE 1999

artist 2000

BY BETH COLEMAN

Sometimes when the Artist quotes Jesus, it's hard to tell whether he's referring to Him or himself. But when he says, "I am what I am," that particular biblical reference seems to be one he's trying to adopt personally. It would be a mistake to call the Artist's identification with Jesus a case of inflated ego. He talks about God and love and, yes, Jesus mostly with regard to speaking truthfully and letting go of "chaos" -- be it the industry, race madness or even overcompensation. Larry Graham -- former bassist for Sly and the Family Stone, current NPG artist and close friend and personal Zen master of the Artist -- helps him see through the webs of deception. And it is partially Graham who influences the Artist to speak a language of revelation and surrender. The self-producing one-man studio sits here and talks about...giving up. It's not surrendering he's referring to, but an all-pervasive spiritual sense of letting go. "Jesus surrendered unto love," the Artist says, "and He did what love told Him to do." The Artist concludes with the difficulties of reconciling fallen-world business with the one love of artistic collaboration: "In a perfect world, there is already an artists' community. It already exists, but it's virtual."

.

What the Artist goes on to say is that wanting a monopoly on his lady had become the marital version of owning someone else's masters. From what he says, and from what others say, theirs has been an intensely romantic relationship, a kind of you-and-me-against-the-world vibe. But both felt it was starting to get weird. "We were drawing energy from strange people around us. Strange words and numbers, bad contracts. We had to step away from that," he explains. For a person who still uses "4" in place of "for" in song lyrics, the relationship between numbers and contracts -- both personal and financial -- weaves complicated, interrelated secret messages. He traces the origin of the marriage contract to Pontius Pilate organizing the consensus to crucify Jesus, but the short version of the story is that it was screwing up the Artist's world. He describes a relationship that some might categorize as vaguely co-dependent -- for a while he couldn't even give an interview without Mayte present. "I could not have sat in a room alone with someone like you" (meaning young, female and not totally butt), he tells me. Relying on someone so deeply, not to mention feeling possessive, jealous and the other emotions that go with having someone be "yours," was dangerous and, more to his point, deluded.
.

"At first you might think that your mate is the God," the Artist reflects, "but you'd better hope that God is speaking through your mate." They are not divorced. Quite the contrary. They are happily joined, having transcended the mental and emotional bondage of marriage. When not floating among the astral planes, the couple like to spend time in Spain, in their lovely new house near Gibraltar, which will soon be featured in another form of virtual reality, Vanity Fair. (The Artist is still a rich guy, like some of the best social radicals.) "We pretend it didn't even happen," he says of the marriage. "Like a lot of things in life I don't like, I pretend it isn't there and it goes away. We decided to go back to the Garden."
.

Does all this mean they've transcended the physical boundaries of the marriage bond too? The other question, post-"divorce," is monogamy. Considering his reputation as an international lover, one wonders, is the Artist good to the yoni? "They always exaggerate," he says quite demurely, alluding to the baker's dozen of high-profile women he's been teamed with in the press throughout his career. I tell him I saw Warren Beatty on Charlie Rose scoffing at the idea of monogamy in a modern marriage as basically some medieval throwback. Beatty indicated that it's just not part of the animal. (After getting that close to Halle Berry onscreen, I could see why -- no disrespect, Annette.) The Artist calls upon higher powers for his answer: "Let's say I'm monogamous with God," providing better counsel for Clinton than his lawyers did. In New York for a week, the Artist says he wants to check out some music, the Roots in particular (he's down with their drummer, ?uestlove). From what I heard later, his sampling of the local talent was not limited to music. But once rumor kicks in on the Unpronounceable One, it is an endless spin cycle.

That last paragraph pretty much says it all confused Prince was NOT a monogamous man, and his marriage was most likely privately finished by this point, and then publicly finished by the end of 1999.

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Reply #64 posted 10/01/19 3:32pm

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OldFriends4Sale said:



Missmusicluver72 said:




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People who have worked with Prince and also associates have said he never seemed happier and more content with any other women than with Mayte. Besides he barely cracked a smile it was his persona he tried to cultivate. Prince faith was so strong that losing his children broke him. He questioned his faith and his relationship with the higher power.



(He was always smiling more in other pics than he was with her, based on many ones I have seen. With M2 he smiled more.) Yet he and Mayte STILL divorced so if he was supposedly "SO" happy with her, then why did they break up? Some people keep bringing up "oh he just LOVED her SO Much" nonsense over and over! Ugh, give it a rest already! And NOPE, losing their child should not be an excuse for them to end a marriage. I understand she was young and thrown into his world and suffered trauma also but I am saying if people are supposedly "SO IN LOVE" then they should find a way to work it out IMO. I am not trying in any way to be rude towards you it is just that some folks wanna hang on to their marriage as if it was some sort of fairy tale that was so meant to be. Of course people around them during that time will say that lovey dovey stuff because maybe they like Mayte the best, their opinion of course, but apparently it was not meant to be in the end. Why can't some people just accept that and move on? He sure did!! At the end of the day I am here for Prince and not Mayte. BTW however, I don't wish her any ill will. I am just basing my thoughts on how things ended. So if he found a sense of comfort and guidance confiding in Larry Graham than so be it.


[Edited 8/29/19 15:20pm]


[Edited 8/29/19 15:31pm]




GOOD MORNING AMERICA (1998)


The Artist sat for a short interview with Kevin Newman on ABC-TV's Good Morning America morning news/talk show on July 1 (postponed from June 30) to promote the release of his new album, Newpower Soul.


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0{+> : So many different things happen 2 u when u finally connect with your soul mate. U eat better . . .


Kevin: She cooks meals?


0{+> : Oh, yeah. U sleep more, u want 2 stay in the house a little more. I don't record as much as I used 2. Crystal Ball was just released, that's all old material, it's a 5-record set that's available through a 1-800 line, 1-800-NEW-FUNK, and you can also pick it up, a four-CD set, in local stores.


Kevin: Alright. But you know you're quite romantic and I think that might surprise people who were familiar with your early music. I mean you're almost reverential, in fact I think you are reverential towards women. You have a line in "The One": "If U're looking' 4 a man who will make U feel like time has just begun/A man that'll make U feel like U're the only thing that ever mattered underneath the sun/I'm the one." Is that the way you feel about women now? In some ways you put "the one" on a pedestal.


0{+> : "The One" video is very special 2 Mayte and I. We tried 2 go back 2 the notion of The Garden of Eden, when there was one idea, instead of having ten women and thinking that that is equivalent to wealth, we wanted 2 just focus on the one idea and see if that would bring us our personal heaven. She did a wonderful job with the video. I'm so proud I finally found a director that I don't have 2 scream at.


Kevin: Can she direct you? I would think it would be hard to work with your wife.


0{+> : No, no, no -- I completely trust her. She edits with "the one" in mind. "The one" being the choreography, the music, she makes her edits and all her shot selection based upon what it is she's trying 2 convey. That's what the song is about, it's about respecting "the one" idea, whatever that genesis is, so that u reach your revelation.


Kevin: You said a minute ago that you've been writing a little bit less because of more time obviously for your family life and for romance. Has that been hard for Mayte or either yourself to sort of figure out because you're somebody who's had a creative surge in your life and to share that surge and to find a place for the love in your heart with that music, has that been an interesting process to come together?


0{+> : She represents music 2 me. She's a dancer by trade and she's inspired so much of my work. The whole second side of Emancipation is dedicated 2 her.


Kevin: She brings the color to your life?


0{+> : Yeah, she brings the glint in my eye, so 2 speak.





Do you think it is possible that he felt this at at that time and then the same way about other people later on? Mani, Bria, Andy


I don't. Mostly because it's impossible to love two completely different people the same way. He seemed to really trust her in ways he didn't with others. Maybe because they were friends for years?
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Reply #65 posted 10/01/19 3:35pm

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violetcrush said:



OldFriends4Sale said:




Missmusicluver72 said:



(He was always smiling more in other pics than he was with her, based on many ones I have seen. With M2 he smiled more.) Yet he and Mayte STILL divorced so if he was supposedly "SO" happy with her, then why did they break up? Some people keep bringing up "oh he just LOVED her SO Much" nonsense over and over! Ugh, give it a rest already! And NOPE, losing their child should not be an excuse for them to end a marriage. I understand she was young and thrown into his world and suffered trauma also but I am saying if people are supposedly "SO IN LOVE" then they should find a way to work it out IMO. I am not trying in any way to be rude towards you it is just that some folks wanna hang on to their marriage as if it was some sort of fairy tale that was so meant to be. Of course people around them during that time will say that lovey dovey stuff because maybe they like Mayte the best, their opinion of course, but apparently it was not meant to be in the end. Why can't some people just accept that and move on? He sure did!! At the end of the day I am here for Prince and not Mayte. BTW however, I don't wish her any ill will. I am just basing my thoughts on how things ended. So if he found a sense of comfort and guidance confiding in Larry Graham than so be it.


[Edited 8/29/19 15:20pm]


[Edited 8/29/19 15:31pm]




GOOD MORNING AMERICA (1998)


The Artist sat for a short interview with Kevin Newman on ABC-TV's Good Morning America morning news/talk show on July 1 (postponed from June 30) to promote the release of his new album, Newpower Soul.


.



0{+> : So many different things happen 2 u when u finally connect with your soul mate. U eat better . . .


Kevin: She cooks meals?


0{+> : Oh, yeah. U sleep more, u want 2 stay in the house a little more. I don't record as much as I used 2. Crystal Ball was just released, that's all old material, it's a 5-record set that's available through a 1-800 line, 1-800-NEW-FUNK, and you can also pick it up, a four-CD set, in local stores.


Kevin: Alright. But you know you're quite romantic and I think that might surprise people who were familiar with your early music. I mean you're almost reverential, in fact I think you are reverential towards women. You have a line in "The One": "If U're looking' 4 a man who will make U feel like time has just begun/A man that'll make U feel like U're the only thing that ever mattered underneath the sun/I'm the one." Is that the way you feel about women now? In some ways you put "the one" on a pedestal.


0{+> : "The One" video is very special 2 Mayte and I. We tried 2 go back 2 the notion of The Garden of Eden, when there was one idea, instead of having ten women and thinking that that is equivalent to wealth, we wanted 2 just focus on the one idea and see if that would bring us our personal heaven. She did a wonderful job with the video. I'm so proud I finally found a director that I don't have 2 scream at.


Kevin: Can she direct you? I would think it would be hard to work with your wife.


0{+> : No, no, no -- I completely trust her. She edits with "the one" in mind. "The one" being the choreography, the music, she makes her edits and all her shot selection based upon what it is she's trying 2 convey. That's what the song is about, it's about respecting "the one" idea, whatever that genesis is, so that u reach your revelation.


Kevin: You said a minute ago that you've been writing a little bit less because of more time obviously for your family life and for romance. Has that been hard for Mayte or either yourself to sort of figure out because you're somebody who's had a creative surge in your life and to share that surge and to find a place for the love in your heart with that music, has that been an interesting process to come together?


0{+> : She represents music 2 me. She's a dancer by trade and she's inspired so much of my work. The whole second side of Emancipation is dedicated 2 her.


Kevin: She brings the color to your life?


0{+> : Yeah, she brings the glint in my eye, so 2 speak.






The only problem I have with this interview is that we now know that during this time Prince and Mayte were having issues. Larry was in the mix, and I believe Manuela was also working closely with him at PP. Soon after, Mayte was moved to Spain, and Prince was spending most of his time in MN. I think this discussion is more tied to the fact that he had an album to promote, and he was being drilled about his relationship and the song.


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The funniest part of this interview is when the host starts reciting Prince's lyrics back to him, and Prince pulls out a thin white cracker and starts eating it lol Poor guy...he clearly didn't get the memo that Prince would really not appreciate his lyrics being recited back to him by some stiff white dude biggrin



We also know they had a respite in there somewhere. Maybe this was one of those times. Otherwise it seems awfully cold of him to basically gush...just for some money? I'd rather not think of him that way but feel free.
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Reply #66 posted 10/01/19 3:38pm

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OldFriends4Sale said:



violetcrush said:




OldFriends4Sale said:




GOOD MORNING AMERICA (1998)


The Artist sat for a short interview with Kevin Newman on ABC-TV's Good Morning America morning news/talk show on July 1 (postponed from June 30) to promote the release of his new album, Newpower Soul.


.



0{+> : So many different things happen 2 u when u finally connect with your soul mate. U eat better . . .


Kevin: She cooks meals?


0{+> : Oh, yeah. U sleep more, u want 2 stay in the house a little more. I don't record as much as I used 2. Crystal Ball was just released, that's all old material, it's a 5-record set that's available through a 1-800 line, 1-800-NEW-FUNK, and you can also pick it up, a four-CD set, in local stores.


Kevin: Alright. But you know you're quite romantic and I think that might surprise people who were familiar with your early music. I mean you're almost reverential, in fact I think you are reverential towards women. You have a line in "The One": "If U're looking' 4 a man who will make U feel like time has just begun/A man that'll make U feel like U're the only thing that ever mattered underneath the sun/I'm the one." Is that the way you feel about women now? In some ways you put "the one" on a pedestal.


0{+> : "The One" video is very special 2 Mayte and I. We tried 2 go back 2 the notion of The Garden of Eden, when there was one idea, instead of having ten women and thinking that that is equivalent to wealth, we wanted 2 just focus on the one idea and see if that would bring us our personal heaven. She did a wonderful job with the video. I'm so proud I finally found a director that I don't have 2 scream at.


Kevin: Can she direct you? I would think it would be hard to work with your wife.


0{+> : No, no, no -- I completely trust her. She edits with "the one" in mind. "The one" being the choreography, the music, she makes her edits and all her shot selection based upon what it is she's trying 2 convey. That's what the song is about, it's about respecting "the one" idea, whatever that genesis is, so that u reach your revelation.


Kevin: You said a minute ago that you've been writing a little bit less because of more time obviously for your family life and for romance. Has that been hard for Mayte or either yourself to sort of figure out because you're somebody who's had a creative surge in your life and to share that surge and to find a place for the love in your heart with that music, has that been an interesting process to come together?


0{+> : She represents music 2 me. She's a dancer by trade and she's inspired so much of my work. The whole second side of Emancipation is dedicated 2 her.


Kevin: She brings the color to your life?


0{+> : Yeah, she brings the glint in my eye, so 2 speak.






The only problem I have with this interview is that we now know that during this time Prince and Mayte were having issues. Larry was in the mix, and I believe Manuela was also working closely with him at PP. Soon after, Mayte was moved to Spain, and Prince was spending most of his time in MN. I think this discussion is more tied to the fact that he had an album to promote, and he was being drilled about his relationship and the song.


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The funniest part of this interview is when the host starts reciting Prince's lyrics back to him, and Prince pulls out a thin white cracker and starts eating it lol Poor guy...he clearly didn't get the memo that Prince would really not appreciate his lyrics being recited back to him by some stiff white dude biggrin




Of course, nothing he said in this time period into 1999 indicated they were splitting. Going back to the garden...


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lol yeah I don't think Prince cared if the person was black white mixed or puerto rican, reciting lyrics back to him lol probably wouldn't mind if they were a musician though



Reminds me of the interview with Tavis where he talks about a lady with a cute daughtetr who insisted 'little red corvette' was 'pay the rent, collect'.
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PAPER * JUNE 1999


artist 2000


BY BETH COLEMAN



Sometimes when the Artist quotes Jesus, it's hard to tell whether he's referring to Him or himself. But when he says, "I am what I am," that particular biblical reference seems to be one he's trying to adopt personally. It would be a mistake to call the Artist's identification with Jesus a case of inflated ego. He talks about God and love and, yes, Jesus mostly with regard to speaking truthfully and letting go of "chaos" -- be it the industry, race madness or even overcompensation. Larry Graham -- former bassist for Sly and the Family Stone, current NPG artist and close friend and personal Zen master of the Artist -- helps him see through the webs of deception. And it is partially Graham who influences the Artist to speak a language of revelation and surrender. The self-producing one-man studio sits here and talks about...giving up. It's not surrendering he's referring to, but an all-pervasive spiritual sense of letting go. "Jesus surrendered unto love," the Artist says, "and He did what love told Him to do." The Artist concludes with the difficulties of reconciling fallen-world business with the one love of artistic collaboration: "In a perfect world, there is already an artists' community. It already exists, but it's virtual."


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What the Artist goes on to say is that wanting a monopoly on his lady had become the marital version of owning someone else's masters. From what he says, and from what others say, theirs has been an intensely romantic relationship, a kind of you-and-me-against-the-world vibe. But both felt it was starting to get weird. "We were drawing energy from strange people around us. Strange words and numbers, bad contracts. We had to step away from that," he explains. For a person who still uses "4" in place of "for" in song lyrics, the relationship between numbers and contracts -- both personal and financial -- weaves complicated, interrelated secret messages. He traces the origin of the marriage contract to Pontius Pilate organizing the consensus to crucify Jesus, but the short version of the story is that it was screwing up the Artist's world. He describes a relationship that some might categorize as vaguely co-dependent -- for a while he couldn't even give an interview without Mayte present. "I could not have sat in a room alone with someone like you" (meaning young, female and not totally butt), he tells me. Relying on someone so deeply, not to mention feeling possessive, jealous and the other emotions that go with having someone be "yours," was dangerous and, more to his point, deluded.
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"At first you might think that your mate is the God," the Artist reflects, "but you'd better hope that God is speaking through your mate." They are not divorced. Quite the contrary. They are happily joined, having transcended the mental and emotional bondage of marriage. When not floating among the astral planes, the couple like to spend time in Spain, in their lovely new house near Gibraltar, which will soon be featured in another form of virtual reality, Vanity Fair. (The Artist is still a rich guy, like some of the best social radicals.) "We pretend it didn't even happen," he says of the marriage. "Like a lot of things in life I don't like, I pretend it isn't there and it goes away. We decided to go back to the Garden."
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Does all this mean they've transcended the physical boundaries of the marriage bond too? The other question, post-"divorce," is monogamy. Considering his reputation as an international lover, one wonders, is the Artist good to the yoni? "They always exaggerate," he says quite demurely, alluding to the baker's dozen of high-profile women he's been teamed with in the press throughout his career. I tell him I saw Warren Beatty on Charlie Rose scoffing at the idea of monogamy in a modern marriage as basically some medieval throwback. Beatty indicated that it's just not part of the animal. (After getting that close to Halle Berry onscreen, I could see why -- no disrespect, Annette.) The Artist calls upon higher powers for his answer: "Let's say I'm monogamous with God," providing better counsel for Clinton than his lawyers did. In New York for a week, the Artist says he wants to check out some music, the Roots in particular (he's down with their drummer, ?uestlove). From what I heard later, his sampling of the local talent was not limited to music. But once rumor kicks in on the Unpronounceable One, it is an endless spin cycle.




That last paragraph pretty much says it all confused Prince was NOT a monogamous man, and his marriage was most likely privately finished by this point, and then publicly finished by the end of 1999.



Yes we now know that was exactly his reasoning for cheating while married. I often wonder what Larry & the JW elders thought of this because to date it appears it was validated & co-signed, at least to some extent. That's odd to me as representative of JW/Christian behavior.
We also know she filed for divorce in early 2000.
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Reply #68 posted 10/01/19 3:51pm

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Do you think it is possible that he felt this at at that time and then the same way about other people later on? Mani, Bria, Andy


I don't. Mostly because it's impossible to love two completely different people the same way. He seemed to really trust her in ways he didn't with others. Maybe because they were friends for years?


Yes, I think he loved or felt for them all differently too, and for different reasons. I can see him being obsessed with Vanity and wanting to protect her but also competing with wills.. I can see him loving Mayte because of her sweetness, innocence and loyalty to him and also neither she or vanity were jealous people... I can see him being taken with Manuela’s beauty and intelligence and the hopes he had... I can see him having a quiet, sensual relationship with Bria... and I can see him wanting to be young and hip and copy Andy’s style which was something new to him after the tight relationship and problems with Mani, and appreciate the freedom of a looser friendship and the music, and keep her for his muse.

I think P was in ways so “different” that we can’t even understand it.
[Edited 10/1/19 15:52pm]
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Morgaine said:



I don't. Mostly because it's impossible to love two completely different people the same way. He seemed to really trust her in ways he didn't with others. Maybe because they were friends for years?


Yes, I think he loved or felt for them all differently too, and for different reasons. I can see him being obsessed with Vanity and wanting to protect her but also competing with wills.. I can see him loving Mayte because of her sweetness, innocence and loyalty to him and also neither she or vanity were jealous people... I can see him being taken with Manuela’s beauty and intelligence and the hopes he had... I can see him having a quiet, sensual relationship with Bria... and I can see him wanting to be young and hip and copy Andy’s style which was something new to him after the tight relationship and problems with Mani, and appreciate the freedom of a looser friendship and the music, and keep her for his muse.

I think P was in ways so “different” that we can’t even understand it.
[Edited 10/1/19 15:52pm]


It makes him different to love each one a bit differently? Love is love, of course but each female was different and he preferred leaving the past in the past, never to look back. My way or the highway. By the late 80s/early 90s he was changing nearly everything every couple years.
He was obviously gifted & hard working & in a sense, through music had the luxury to explore ideas, feeling, etc that most of us with full time jobs don't have time for. Otoh, I don't think the isolation he always put himself in, was ultimately healthy mentally or physically.
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Yes, I think he loved or felt for them all differently too, and for different reasons. I can see him being obsessed with Vanity and wanting to protect her but also competing with wills.. I can see him loving Mayte because of her sweetness, innocence and loyalty to him and also neither she or vanity were jealous people... I can see him being taken with Manuela’s beauty and intelligence and the hopes he had... I can see him having a quiet, sensual relationship with Bria... and I can see him wanting to be young and hip and copy Andy’s style which was something new to him after the tight relationship and problems with Mani, and appreciate the freedom of a looser friendship and the music, and keep her for his muse.

I think P was in ways so “different” that we can’t even understand it.
[Edited 10/1/19 15:52pm]


It makes him different to love each one a bit differently? Love is love, of course but each female was different and he preferred leaving the past in the past, never to look back. My way or the highway. By the late 80s/early 90s he was changing nearly everything every couple years.
He was obviously gifted & hard working & in a sense, through music had the luxury to explore ideas, feeling, etc that most of us with full time jobs don't have time for. Otoh, I don't think the isolation he always put himself in, was ultimately healthy mentally or physically.


People’s interpretation of words are so interesting.
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Reply #71 posted 10/01/19 4:49pm

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TheTruth123 said:

Morgaine said:
I don't. Mostly because it's impossible to love two completely different people the same way. He seemed to really trust her in ways he didn't with others. Maybe because they were friends for years?
Yes, I think he loved or felt for them all differently too, and for different reasons. I can see him being obsessed with Vanity and wanting to protect her but also competing with wills.. I can see him loving Mayte because of her sweetness, innocence and loyalty to him and also neither she or vanity were jealous people... I can see him being taken with Manuela’s beauty and intelligence and the hopes he had... I can see him having a quiet, sensual relationship with Bria... and I can see him wanting to be young and hip and copy Andy’s style which was something new to him after the tight relationship and problems with Mani, and appreciate the freedom of a looser friendship and the music, and keep her for his muse. I think P was in ways so “different” that we can’t even understand it. [Edited 10/1/19 15:52pm]

From what I have read, Vanity was actually very jealous with Prince, which is why she would flaunt her dates with other men and flirt with other men in front of Prince. It's been stated that they had major fights because of Prince's infidelity, especially within the camp itself. Associates said she would be livid when Prince would ask to see Jill or Susan instead of her on the 1999 tour. Their relationship was toxic and full of jealousy, but also very sexual.

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I think Mayte was way too young to get involved with Prince, as he was 34 yrs to her 19 yrs. He could easily control and manipulate that relationship. He was dating many women when he was also sleeping with her, so really no different in terms of his relationships - except the pregnancy. I have no doubt that Mayte would have been just as jealous as any of Prince's girlfriends in dealing with knowing he was sleeping with other women while also seeing her. At her young age she may not have known though. He was an expert at keeping his affairs separate.

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Manuela was a huge Prince fan, and in the right place at the right time. Prince was moving on from Mayte, and there was another young and pretty girl working at PP who was completely smitten with him. Another easy-to-control situation for Prince. She also willingly converted to JW for him, so it was a win-win-win Prince - at least until the next attractive and young girl came into the mix, who was rumored to be Tamar.

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Prince was 52 yrs old when he began mentoring Andy Allo, and she was 22 yrs old. Yes, Prince was always mentally younger than his real age, but come on!! He was THIRTY years her senior. I think she was enamored with his musical genius, and wanted to be in his environment. Was she briefly smitten too? Seems that was the case based on the letter she had written him, but I just don't think theirs was any deep love affair.

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I think Bria was a muse and potential protege that ended when nothing really came of her record. That, and she may have realilzed he was with other women too.

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Prince was a creature of habit, and it seems he had the same pattern of behavior in all of his relationships. He was destined to be alone, because his actions/behaviors made a relationship with him unsustainable. He never changed, and the women became lonely and miserable with him.

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Reply #72 posted 10/01/19 5:03pm

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Morgaine said:

violetcrush said:

The only problem I have with this interview is that we now know that during this time Prince and Mayte were having issues. Larry was in the mix, and I believe Manuela was also working closely with him at PP. Soon after, Mayte was moved to Spain, and Prince was spending most of his time in MN. I think this discussion is more tied to the fact that he had an album to promote, and he was being drilled about his relationship and the song.

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The funniest part of this interview is when the host starts reciting Prince's lyrics back to him, and Prince pulls out a thin white cracker and starts eating it lol Poor guy...he clearly didn't get the memo that Prince would really not appreciate his lyrics being recited back to him by some stiff white dude biggrin

We also know they had a respite in there somewhere. Maybe this was one of those times. Otherwise it seems awfully cold of him to basically gush...just for some money? I'd rather not think of him that way but feel free.

The more I've read, and after listening to many recent interviews with those who worked with and/or had close relationships with him, the more it becomes apparent that Prince was ALWAYS music and business first. He was taping the Oprah show one week after his Son died sad I know he had a major album to promote, but that is just crazy to me. Most would have postponed doing press in order to take the time to process and grieve that loss. So yes, unfortunately, he seemed to always prioritize his music and his business over anything else.

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Think about that interview. He certainly could not sit there and tell the guy that he no longer feels the same way for his wife, and they will most likely separate, when he's being asked about a song he supposedly wrote for her which talks about what a great man he is in a relationship confused Nah, he had to respond accordingly when the guy asked those specific questions about his marriage. I also think it's very telling that when he was asked what it's like to find "the one" Prince first answered, "well, you eat better".

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Prince hated any journalist asking about his personal life anyway, which is why he pulled out that cracker.

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Reply #73 posted 10/01/19 5:05pm

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Morgaine said:

violetcrush said:

That last paragraph pretty much says it all confused Prince was NOT a monogamous man, and his marriage was most likely privately finished by this point, and then publicly finished by the end of 1999.

Yes we now know that was exactly his reasoning for cheating while married. I often wonder what Larry & the JW elders thought of this because to date it appears it was validated & co-signed, at least to some extent. That's odd to me as representative of JW/Christian behavior. We also know she filed for divorce in early 2000.

Probably because Manuela was willing to join the JW? It's quite hypocritical, but that is most likely the reason they accepted the situation.

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Reply #74 posted 10/01/19 5:37pm

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violetcrush said:



TheTruth123 said:


Morgaine said:
I don't. Mostly because it's impossible to love two completely different people the same way. He seemed to really trust her in ways he didn't with others. Maybe because they were friends for years?

Yes, I think he loved or felt for them all differently too, and for different reasons. I can see him being obsessed with Vanity and wanting to protect her but also competing with wills.. I can see him loving Mayte because of her sweetness, innocence and loyalty to him and also neither she or vanity were jealous people... I can see him being taken with Manuela’s beauty and intelligence and the hopes he had... I can see him having a quiet, sensual relationship with Bria... and I can see him wanting to be young and hip and copy Andy’s style which was something new to him after the tight relationship and problems with Mani, and appreciate the freedom of a looser friendship and the music, and keep her for his muse. I think P was in ways so “different” that we can’t even understand it. [Edited 10/1/19 15:52pm]


From what I have read, Vanity was actually very jealous with Prince, which is why she would flaunt her dates with other men and flirt with other men in front of Prince. It's been stated that they had major fights because of Prince's infidelity, especially within the camp itself. Associates said she would be livid when Prince would ask to see Jill or Susan instead of her on the 1999 tour. Their relationship was toxic and full of jealousy, but also very sexual.


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I think Mayte was way too young to get involved with Prince, as he was 34 yrs to her 19 yrs. He could easily control and manipulate that relationship. He was dating many women when he was also sleeping with her, so really no different in terms of his relationships - except the pregnancy. I have no doubt that Mayte would have been just as jealous as any of Prince's girlfriends in dealing with knowing he was sleeping with other women while also seeing her. At her young age she may not have known though. He was an expert at keeping his affairs separate.


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Manuela was a huge Prince fan, and in the right place at the right time. Prince was moving on from Mayte, and there was another young and pretty girl working at PP who was completely smitten with him. Another easy-to-control situation for Prince. She also willingly converted to JW for him, so it was a win-win-win Prince - at least until the next attractive and young girl came into the mix, who was rumored to be Tamar.


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Prince was 52 yrs old when he began mentoring Andy Allo, and she was 22 yrs old. Yes, Prince was always mentally younger than his real age, but come on!! He was THIRTY years her senior. I think she was enamored with his musical genius, and wanted to be in his environment. Was she briefly smitten too? Seems that was the case based on the letter she had written him, but I just don't think theirs was any deep love affair.


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I think Bria was a muse and potential protege that ended when nothing really came of her record. That, and she may have realilzed he was with other women too.


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Prince was a creature of habit, and it seems he had the same pattern of behavior in all of his relationships. He was destined to be alone, because his actions/behaviors made a relationship with him unsustainable. He never changed, and the women became lonely and miserable with him.




I agree with a lot of what you said. I’ll add that I think vanity and Mayte were girl’s girls. Meaning they could actually have friends who were women.
I agree that his relationship with vanity was painful and very sexual.
Mayte said in her book that she liked Manuela’s personality even though all this stuff happened. That is something that only a very beautiful person on the inside could say.
I don’t think there was ever a romantic attraction or situation with tomorrow at all. I think that as you say, Manuela was in the right place at the right time when Prince was traumatized by all that happened, and he said himself she was a rebound. Boy did he get more than he bargained for with that one.
Yes, I think Andy wanted to be a star and he was ready to have some fun and perhaps have an affair and also get into some music with someone he could teach and also be inspired by. I’m still not sure what happened, but I feel he wants the best for her now and forgives whatever games went on between them.
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Reply #75 posted 10/01/19 5:39pm

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Morgaine said:

violetcrush said:



OldFriends4Sale said:


PAPER * JUNE 1999


artist 2000


BY BETH COLEMAN



Sometimes when the Artist quotes Jesus, it's hard to tell whether he's referring to Him or himself. But when he says, "I am what I am," that particular biblical reference seems to be one he's trying to adopt personally. It would be a mistake to call the Artist's identification with Jesus a case of inflated ego. He talks about God and love and, yes, Jesus mostly with regard to speaking truthfully and letting go of "chaos" -- be it the industry, race madness or even overcompensation. Larry Graham -- former bassist for Sly and the Family Stone, current NPG artist and close friend and personal Zen master of the Artist -- helps him see through the webs of deception. And it is partially Graham who influences the Artist to speak a language of revelation and surrender. The self-producing one-man studio sits here and talks about...giving up. It's not surrendering he's referring to, but an all-pervasive spiritual sense of letting go. "Jesus surrendered unto love," the Artist says, "and He did what love told Him to do." The Artist concludes with the difficulties of reconciling fallen-world business with the one love of artistic collaboration: "In a perfect world, there is already an artists' community. It already exists, but it's virtual."


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What the Artist goes on to say is that wanting a monopoly on his lady had become the marital version of owning someone else's masters. From what he says, and from what others say, theirs has been an intensely romantic relationship, a kind of you-and-me-against-the-world vibe. But both felt it was starting to get weird. "We were drawing energy from strange people around us. Strange words and numbers, bad contracts. We had to step away from that," he explains. For a person who still uses "4" in place of "for" in song lyrics, the relationship between numbers and contracts -- both personal and financial -- weaves complicated, interrelated secret messages. He traces the origin of the marriage contract to Pontius Pilate organizing the consensus to crucify Jesus, but the short version of the story is that it was screwing up the Artist's world. He describes a relationship that some might categorize as vaguely co-dependent -- for a while he couldn't even give an interview without Mayte present. "I could not have sat in a room alone with someone like you" (meaning young, female and not totally butt), he tells me. Relying on someone so deeply, not to mention feeling possessive, jealous and the other emotions that go with having someone be "yours," was dangerous and, more to his point, deluded.
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"At first you might think that your mate is the God," the Artist reflects, "but you'd better hope that God is speaking through your mate." They are not divorced. Quite the contrary. They are happily joined, having transcended the mental and emotional bondage of marriage. When not floating among the astral planes, the couple like to spend time in Spain, in their lovely new house near Gibraltar, which will soon be featured in another form of virtual reality, Vanity Fair. (The Artist is still a rich guy, like some of the best social radicals.) "We pretend it didn't even happen," he says of the marriage. "Like a lot of things in life I don't like, I pretend it isn't there and it goes away. We decided to go back to the Garden."
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Does all this mean they've transcended the physical boundaries of the marriage bond too? The other question, post-"divorce," is monogamy. Considering his reputation as an international lover, one wonders, is the Artist good to the yoni? "They always exaggerate," he says quite demurely, alluding to the baker's dozen of high-profile women he's been teamed with in the press throughout his career. I tell him I saw Warren Beatty on Charlie Rose scoffing at the idea of monogamy in a modern marriage as basically some medieval throwback. Beatty indicated that it's just not part of the animal. (After getting that close to Halle Berry onscreen, I could see why -- no disrespect, Annette.) The Artist calls upon higher powers for his answer: "Let's say I'm monogamous with God," providing better counsel for Clinton than his lawyers did. In New York for a week, the Artist says he wants to check out some music, the Roots in particular (he's down with their drummer, ?uestlove). From what I heard later, his sampling of the local talent was not limited to music. But once rumor kicks in on the Unpronounceable One, it is an endless spin cycle.




That last paragraph pretty much says it all confused Prince was NOT a monogamous man, and his marriage was most likely privately finished by this point, and then publicly finished by the end of 1999.



Yes we now know that was exactly his reasoning for cheating while married. I often wonder what Larry & the JW elders thought of this because to date it appears it was validated & co-signed, at least to some extent. That's odd to me as representative of JW/Christian behavior.
We also know she filed for divorce in early 2000.


Both his wives did the filing for divorce. That is okay I believe in the JW faith.
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Reply #76 posted 10/01/19 6:08pm

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violetcrush said:



Morgaine said:


violetcrush said:



The only problem I have with this interview is that we now know that during this time Prince and Mayte were having issues. Larry was in the mix, and I believe Manuela was also working closely with him at PP. Soon after, Mayte was moved to Spain, and Prince was spending most of his time in MN. I think this discussion is more tied to the fact that he had an album to promote, and he was being drilled about his relationship and the song.


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The funniest part of this interview is when the host starts reciting Prince's lyrics back to him, and Prince pulls out a thin white cracker and starts eating it lol Poor guy...he clearly didn't get the memo that Prince would really not appreciate his lyrics being recited back to him by some stiff white dude biggrin



We also know they had a respite in there somewhere. Maybe this was one of those times. Otherwise it seems awfully cold of him to basically gush...just for some money? I'd rather not think of him that way but feel free.


The more I've read, and after listening to many recent interviews with those who worked with and/or had close relationships with him, the more it becomes apparent that Prince was ALWAYS music and business first. He was taping the Oprah show one week after his Son died sad I know he had a major album to promote, but that is just crazy to me. Most would have postponed doing press in order to take the time to process and grieve that loss. So yes, unfortunately, he seemed to always prioritize his music and his business over anything else.


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Think about that interview. He certainly could not sit there and tell the guy that he no longer feels the same way for his wife, and they will most likely separate, when he's being asked about a song he supposedly wrote for her which talks about what a great man he is in a relationship confused Nah, he had to respond accordingly when the guy asked those specific questions about his marriage. I also think it's very telling that when he was asked what it's like to find "the one" Prince first answered, "well, you eat better".


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Prince hated any journalist asking about his personal life anyway, which is why he pulled out that cracker.



WORK was how Prince distracted himself from things and/or through his creativity he could get some healing. He said music is the best medicine in the world. I think it was both healing and a distraction sometimes.

Eating better for Prince meant a LOT. So his answer was honest.
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Reply #77 posted 10/01/19 6:09pm

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violetcrush said:

From what I have read, Vanity was actually very jealous with Prince, which is why she would flaunt her dates with other men and flirt with other men in front of Prince. It's been stated that they had major fights because of Prince's infidelity, especially within the camp itself. Associates said she would be livid when Prince would ask to see Jill or Susan instead of her on the 1999 tour. Their relationship was toxic and full of jealousy, but also very sexual.

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I think Mayte was way too young to get involved with Prince, as he was 34 yrs to her 19 yrs. He could easily control and manipulate that relationship. He was dating many women when he was also sleeping with her, so really no different in terms of his relationships - except the pregnancy. I have no doubt that Mayte would have been just as jealous as any of Prince's girlfriends in dealing with knowing he was sleeping with other women while also seeing her. At her young age she may not have known though. He was an expert at keeping his affairs separate.

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Manuela was a huge Prince fan, and in the right place at the right time. Prince was moving on from Mayte, and there was another young and pretty girl working at PP who was completely smitten with him. Another easy-to-control situation for Prince. She also willingly converted to JW for him, so it was a win-win-win Prince - at least until the next attractive and young girl came into the mix, who was rumored to be Tamar.

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Prince was 52 yrs old when he began mentoring Andy Allo, and she was 22 yrs old. Yes, Prince was always mentally younger than his real age, but come on!! He was THIRTY years her senior. I think she was enamored with his musical genius, and wanted to be in his environment. Was she briefly smitten too? Seems that was the case based on the letter she had written him, but I just don't think theirs was any deep love affair.

*

I think Bria was a muse and potential protege that ended when nothing really came of her record. That, and she may have realilzed he was with other women too.

*

Prince was a creature of habit, and it seems he had the same pattern of behavior in all of his relationships. He was destined to be alone, because his actions/behaviors made a relationship with him unsustainable. He never changed, and the women became lonely and miserable with him.

I agree with a lot of what you said. I’ll add that I think vanity and Mayte were girl’s girls. Meaning they could actually have friends who were women. I agree that his relationship with vanity was painful and very sexual. Mayte said in her book that she liked Manuela’s personality even though all this stuff happened. That is something that only a very beautiful person on the inside could say. I don’t think there was ever a romantic attraction or situation with tomorrow at all. I think that as you say, Manuela was in the right place at the right time when Prince was traumatized by all that happened, and he said himself she was a rebound. Boy did he get more than he bargained for with that one. Yes, I think Andy wanted to be a star and he was ready to have some fun and perhaps have an affair and also get into some music with someone he could teach and also be inspired by. I’m still not sure what happened, but I feel he wants the best for her now and forgives whatever games went on between them.

I think Mayte may have initially liked Manuela's personality when she first entered the scene, but I'm sure her feelings about her changed when she found out she was having an affair with Prince. I have a different take on Mayte based on watching her behavior on Hollywood Ex's, and her various digs at Prince after they split. I get that he did her wrong, but going public with her spite was quite immature and nasty. I think many who were around when she was with Prince got that "sweet and innocent" vibe from her - well, at least off stage - because she basically was led by Prince and was there to just smile and sit next to him. I also think what he was having her do on stage was just exploitative. I know he was trying to keep up with the trends, but it's surprising that he would have her doing what she did on stage - unless that was her choice, but I doubt it. I know Prince was traumatized by losing the child, but I also do not think the marriage would have lasted regardless of the situation.

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If Prince's marriage with Manuela did not end because of an affair with Tamar then it was most likely with someone else. I'm sure there were other reasons too, but infidelity was always in the mix with Prince.

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Very sad, that Prince seemed to always be looking for something or someone else.

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Morgaine said:

OldFriends4Sale said:



violetcrush said:




OldFriends4Sale said:




GOOD MORNING AMERICA (1998)


The Artist sat for a short interview with Kevin Newman on ABC-TV's Good Morning America morning news/talk show on July 1 (postponed from June 30) to promote the release of his new album, Newpower Soul.


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0{+> : So many different things happen 2 u when u finally connect with your soul mate. U eat better . . .


Kevin: She cooks meals?


0{+> : Oh, yeah. U sleep more, u want 2 stay in the house a little more. I don't record as much as I used 2. Crystal Ball was just released, that's all old material, it's a 5-record set that's available through a 1-800 line, 1-800-NEW-FUNK, and you can also pick it up, a four-CD set, in local stores.


Kevin: Alright. But you know you're quite romantic and I think that might surprise people who were familiar with your early music. I mean you're almost reverential, in fact I think you are reverential towards women. You have a line in "The One": "If U're looking' 4 a man who will make U feel like time has just begun/A man that'll make U feel like U're the only thing that ever mattered underneath the sun/I'm the one." Is that the way you feel about women now? In some ways you put "the one" on a pedestal.


0{+> : "The One" video is very special 2 Mayte and I. We tried 2 go back 2 the notion of The Garden of Eden, when there was one idea, instead of having ten women and thinking that that is equivalent to wealth, we wanted 2 just focus on the one idea and see if that would bring us our personal heaven. She did a wonderful job with the video. I'm so proud I finally found a director that I don't have 2 scream at.


Kevin: Can she direct you? I would think it would be hard to work with your wife.


0{+> : No, no, no -- I completely trust her. She edits with "the one" in mind. "The one" being the choreography, the music, she makes her edits and all her shot selection based upon what it is she's trying 2 convey. That's what the song is about, it's about respecting "the one" idea, whatever that genesis is, so that u reach your revelation.


Kevin: You said a minute ago that you've been writing a little bit less because of more time obviously for your family life and for romance. Has that been hard for Mayte or either yourself to sort of figure out because you're somebody who's had a creative surge in your life and to share that surge and to find a place for the love in your heart with that music, has that been an interesting process to come together?


0{+> : She represents music 2 me. She's a dancer by trade and she's inspired so much of my work. The whole second side of Emancipation is dedicated 2 her.


Kevin: She brings the color to your life?


0{+> : Yeah, she brings the glint in my eye, so 2 speak.






The only problem I have with this interview is that we now know that during this time Prince and Mayte were having issues. Larry was in the mix, and I believe Manuela was also working closely with him at PP. Soon after, Mayte was moved to Spain, and Prince was spending most of his time in MN. I think this discussion is more tied to the fact that he had an album to promote, and he was being drilled about his relationship and the song.


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The funniest part of this interview is when the host starts reciting Prince's lyrics back to him, and Prince pulls out a thin white cracker and starts eating it lol Poor guy...he clearly didn't get the memo that Prince would really not appreciate his lyrics being recited back to him by some stiff white dude biggrin




Of course, nothing he said in this time period into 1999 indicated they were splitting. Going back to the garden...


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lol yeah I don't think Prince cared if the person was black white mixed or puerto rican, reciting lyrics back to him lol probably wouldn't mind if they were a musician though



Reminds me of the interview with Tavis where he talks about a lady with a cute daughtetr who insisted 'little red corvette' was 'pay the rent, collect'.
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Yes, he didn’t hide who he was a lot of the time. At least he was himself. That’s more than most people do.
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Reply #79 posted 10/01/19 6:16pm

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violetcrush said:



TheTruth123 said:


violetcrush said:



From what I have read, Vanity was actually very jealous with Prince, which is why she would flaunt her dates with other men and flirt with other men in front of Prince. It's been stated that they had major fights because of Prince's infidelity, especially within the camp itself. Associates said she would be livid when Prince would ask to see Jill or Susan instead of her on the 1999 tour. Their relationship was toxic and full of jealousy, but also very sexual.


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I think Mayte was way too young to get involved with Prince, as he was 34 yrs to her 19 yrs. He could easily control and manipulate that relationship. He was dating many women when he was also sleeping with her, so really no different in terms of his relationships - except the pregnancy. I have no doubt that Mayte would have been just as jealous as any of Prince's girlfriends in dealing with knowing he was sleeping with other women while also seeing her. At her young age she may not have known though. He was an expert at keeping his affairs separate.


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Manuela was a huge Prince fan, and in the right place at the right time. Prince was moving on from Mayte, and there was another young and pretty girl working at PP who was completely smitten with him. Another easy-to-control situation for Prince. She also willingly converted to JW for him, so it was a win-win-win Prince - at least until the next attractive and young girl came into the mix, who was rumored to be Tamar.


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Prince was 52 yrs old when he began mentoring Andy Allo, and she was 22 yrs old. Yes, Prince was always mentally younger than his real age, but come on!! He was THIRTY years her senior. I think she was enamored with his musical genius, and wanted to be in his environment. Was she briefly smitten too? Seems that was the case based on the letter she had written him, but I just don't think theirs was any deep love affair.


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I think Bria was a muse and potential protege that ended when nothing really came of her record. That, and she may have realilzed he was with other women too.


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Prince was a creature of habit, and it seems he had the same pattern of behavior in all of his relationships. He was destined to be alone, because his actions/behaviors made a relationship with him unsustainable. He never changed, and the women became lonely and miserable with him.




I agree with a lot of what you said. I’ll add that I think vanity and Mayte were girl’s girls. Meaning they could actually have friends who were women. I agree that his relationship with vanity was painful and very sexual. Mayte said in her book that she liked Manuela’s personality even though all this stuff happened. That is something that only a very beautiful person on the inside could say. I don’t think there was ever a romantic attraction or situation with tomorrow at all. I think that as you say, Manuela was in the right place at the right time when Prince was traumatized by all that happened, and he said himself she was a rebound. Boy did he get more than he bargained for with that one. Yes, I think Andy wanted to be a star and he was ready to have some fun and perhaps have an affair and also get into some music with someone he could teach and also be inspired by. I’m still not sure what happened, but I feel he wants the best for her now and forgives whatever games went on between them.


I think Mayte may have initially liked Manuela's personality when she first entered the scene, but I'm sure her feelings about her changed when she found out she was having an affair with Prince. I have a different take on Mayte based on watching her behavior on Hollywood Ex's, and her various digs at Prince after they split. I get that he did her wrong, but going public with her spite was quite immature and nasty. I think many who were around when she was with Prince got that "sweet and innocent" vibe from her - well, at least off stage - because she basically was led by Prince and was there to just smile and sit next to him. I also think what he was having her do on stage was just exploitative. I know he was trying to keep up with the trends, but it's surprising that he would have her doing what she did on stage - unless that was her choice, but I doubt it. I know Prince was traumatized by losing the child, but I also do not think the marriage would have lasted regardless of the situation.


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If Prince's marriage with Manuela did not end because of an affair with Tamar then it was most likely with someone else. I'm sure there were other reasons too, but infidelity was always in the mix with Prince.


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Very sad, that Prince seemed to always be looking for something or someone else.



The fact that Mayte could still say that she liked Manuela’s personality years later is a sign of huge humility.
I agree that what happened sort of had her go down a road that wasn’t the most attractive, but I can relate. What she went through and still being in love with P probably made her angry sometimes. I guess we could have all dealt with situations in our lives better. The important thing is to not let it get you bitter. I did hear a good bit of resentment in her book. I hope she is finding healing now. She had had some huge losses. As have I. It’s why I can relate.
Not being difficult, just like to give another perspective sometimes.
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I understand what you’re saying about P. Sometimes when we are afraid of being alone we all do things we can learn from.
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Reply #80 posted 10/01/19 6:19pm

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TheTruth123 said:

violetcrush said:

The more I've read, and after listening to many recent interviews with those who worked with and/or had close relationships with him, the more it becomes apparent that Prince was ALWAYS music and business first. He was taping the Oprah show one week after his Son died sad I know he had a major album to promote, but that is just crazy to me. Most would have postponed doing press in order to take the time to process and grieve that loss. So yes, unfortunately, he seemed to always prioritize his music and his business over anything else.

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Think about that interview. He certainly could not sit there and tell the guy that he no longer feels the same way for his wife, and they will most likely separate, when he's being asked about a song he supposedly wrote for her which talks about what a great man he is in a relationship confused Nah, he had to respond accordingly when the guy asked those specific questions about his marriage. I also think it's very telling that when he was asked what it's like to find "the one" Prince first answered, "well, you eat better".

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Prince hated any journalist asking about his personal life anyway, which is why he pulled out that cracker.

WORK was how Prince distracted himself from things and/or through his creativity he could get some healing. He said music is the best medicine in the world. I think it was both healing and a distraction sometimes. Eating better for Prince meant a LOT. So his answer was honest.

Yes, but I don't see Mayte having been cooking up many hot meals in the kitchen. Impossible with his schedule and all of his traveling. I think it was just something quirky to say.

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I get that work and music was his distraction, but not only one week after that kind of loss. The Oprah interview is testament to how bad it all was at that time.

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Reply #81 posted 10/01/19 7:08pm

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violetcrush said:



TheTruth123 said:


violetcrush said:



The more I've read, and after listening to many recent interviews with those who worked with and/or had close relationships with him, the more it becomes apparent that Prince was ALWAYS music and business first. He was taping the Oprah show one week after his Son died sad I know he had a major album to promote, but that is just crazy to me. Most would have postponed doing press in order to take the time to process and grieve that loss. So yes, unfortunately, he seemed to always prioritize his music and his business over anything else.


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Think about that interview. He certainly could not sit there and tell the guy that he no longer feels the same way for his wife, and they will most likely separate, when he's being asked about a song he supposedly wrote for her which talks about what a great man he is in a relationship confused Nah, he had to respond accordingly when the guy asked those specific questions about his marriage. I also think it's very telling that when he was asked what it's like to find "the one" Prince first answered, "well, you eat better".


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Prince hated any journalist asking about his personal life anyway, which is why he pulled out that cracker.



WORK was how Prince distracted himself from things and/or through his creativity he could get some healing. He said music is the best medicine in the world. I think it was both healing and a distraction sometimes. Eating better for Prince meant a LOT. So his answer was honest.


Yes, but I don't see Mayte having been cooking up many hot meals in the kitchen. Impossible with his schedule and all of his traveling. I think it was just something quirky to say.


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I get that work and music was his distraction, but not only one week after that kind of loss. The Oprah interview is testament to how bad it all was at that time.



Prince had a greenhouse with fresh food they grew and ate when he was married to Mayte. He also had a garden in Toronto with Mani and one at T&C. Eating well was a big part of his life but he said people had to remind him to eat and I think he did it better when he was married.

Mayte said they were both in shock during the Oprah show. Plus, NO ONE doesnt show up for a scheduled Oprah show. I remember one person doing that once, and Oprah went on and on about it for weeks, totally humiliating the person. But again, as Mayte said, Prince threw himself into his work. It is how he coped. Maybe it’s a blessing he had it.
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Reply #82 posted 10/01/19 7:29pm

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TheTruth123 said:

violetcrush said:



TheTruth123 said:


violetcrush said:



The more I've read, and after listening to many recent interviews with those who worked with and/or had close relationships with him, the more it becomes apparent that Prince was ALWAYS music and business first. He was taping the Oprah show one week after his Son died sad I know he had a major album to promote, but that is just crazy to me. Most would have postponed doing press in order to take the time to process and grieve that loss. So yes, unfortunately, he seemed to always prioritize his music and his business over anything else.


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Think about that interview. He certainly could not sit there and tell the guy that he no longer feels the same way for his wife, and they will most likely separate, when he's being asked about a song he supposedly wrote for her which talks about what a great man he is in a relationship confused Nah, he had to respond accordingly when the guy asked those specific questions about his marriage. I also think it's very telling that when he was asked what it's like to find "the one" Prince first answered, "well, you eat better".


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Prince hated any journalist asking about his personal life anyway, which is why he pulled out that cracker.



WORK was how Prince distracted himself from things and/or through his creativity he could get some healing. He said music is the best medicine in the world. I think it was both healing and a distraction sometimes. Eating better for Prince meant a LOT. So his answer was honest.


Yes, but I don't see Mayte having been cooking up many hot meals in the kitchen. Impossible with his schedule and all of his traveling. I think it was just something quirky to say.


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I get that work and music was his distraction, but not only one week after that kind of loss. The Oprah interview is testament to how bad it all was at that time.



Prince had a greenhouse with fresh food they grew and ate when he was married to Mayte. He also had a garden in Toronto with Mani and one at T&C. Eating well was a big part of his life but he said people had to remind him to eat and I think he did it better when he was married.

Mayte said they were both in shock during the Oprah show. Plus, NO ONE doesnt show up for a scheduled Oprah show. I remember one person doing that once, and Oprah went on and on about it for weeks, totally humiliating the person. But again, as Mayte said, Prince threw himself into his work. It is how he coped. Maybe it’s a blessing he had it.

I think even Oprah would have completely understood and forgiven the change in schedule based on the situation. I would bet she was surprised he kept the schedule. The whole thing was just cringeworthy and sad.
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Yes, I know Prince was a Vegetarian - he became one while dating Kim Basinger. She was also a big PETA supporter which he also became as well. My point was that based on his touring and schedule I don’t think either Mayte or Manuela were doing a lot of their own cooking - possibly Manuela, because she was not performing but she would still have traveled with him. He always had chefs at PP, his home and on the road.
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Reply #83 posted 10/01/19 8:43pm

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Who said Prince had an affair with Tamar?


How did this thread go from Larry Graham to M1 and M2, and other women in his life?

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Reply #84 posted 10/02/19 2:53am

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violetcrush said:

TheTruth123 said:
Prince had a greenhouse with fresh food they grew and ate when he was married to Mayte. He also had a garden in Toronto with Mani and one at T&C. Eating well was a big part of his life but he said people had to remind him to eat and I think he did it better when he was married. Mayte said they were both in shock during the Oprah show. Plus, NO ONE doesnt show up for a scheduled Oprah show. I remember one person doing that once, and Oprah went on and on about it for weeks, totally humiliating the person. But again, as Mayte said, Prince threw himself into his work. It is how he coped. Maybe it’s a blessing he had it.
I think even Oprah would have completely understood and forgiven the change in schedule based on the situation. I would bet she was surprised he kept the schedule. The whole thing was just cringeworthy and sad. * Yes, I know Prince was a Vegetarian - he became one while dating Kim Basinger. She was also a big PETA supporter which he also became as well. My point was that based on his touring and schedule I don’t think either Mayte or Manuela were doing a lot of their own cooking - possibly Manuela, because she was not performing but she would still have traveled with him. He always had chefs at PP, his home and on the road.

When U are an independent artist. There are NO CANCELLATIONS. The show MUST go on.

"4 all of us, life is death without adventure,& adventure only comes 2 those who are willing 2 b daring & take chances."prince 1985
"eye feel that we're on the brink of something. It is going 2 B strict and wild and pretty" prince 1986
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Reply #85 posted 10/02/19 5:52am

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violetcrush said:


TheTruth123 said:
Prince had a greenhouse with fresh food they grew and ate when he was married to Mayte. He also had a garden in Toronto with Mani and one at T&C. Eating well was a big part of his life but he said people had to remind him to eat and I think he did it better when he was married. Mayte said they were both in shock during the Oprah show. Plus, NO ONE doesnt show up for a scheduled Oprah show. I remember one person doing that once, and Oprah went on and on about it for weeks, totally humiliating the person. But again, as Mayte said, Prince threw himself into his work. It is how he coped. Maybe it’s a blessing he had it.

I think even Oprah would have completely understood and forgiven the change in schedule based on the situation. I would bet she was surprised he kept the schedule. The whole thing was just cringeworthy and sad. * Yes, I know Prince was a Vegetarian - he became one while dating Kim Basinger. She was also a big PETA supporter which he also became as well. My point was that based on his touring and schedule I don’t think either Mayte or Manuela were doing a lot of their own cooking - possibly Manuela, because she was not performing but she would still have traveled with him. He always had chefs at PP, his home and on the road.

When U are an independent artist. There are NO CANCELLATIONS. The show MUST go on.


No really, the “show” could have waited a couple of months in order to properly recover from such a devastating loss - especially for the emotional and physical recovery for the one who carried and gave birth to the child. Sorry, but there is no way to excuse or sugar-coat that choice.
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Reply #86 posted 10/02/19 5:58am

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Who said Prince had an affair with Tamar?


How did this thread go from Larry Graham to M1 and M2, and other women in his life?


There were and have been many threads about the possibility of Prince and Tamar’s relationship being a possible cause, or one of the causes, of his divorce.
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The discussion of the women came about from a post on whether Larry came between Prince’s relationship with Mayte. Manuela was also part of the equation at the time. So, all relevant as to what was happening when Larry entered the scene.
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violetcrush said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

When U are an independent artist. There are NO CANCELLATIONS. The show MUST go on.

No really, the “show” could have waited a couple of months in order to properly recover from such a devastating loss - especially for the emotional and physical recovery for the one who carried and gave birth to the child. Sorry, but there is no way to excuse or sugar-coat that choice.

It could have waited in normal circumstances but Prince(r.i.p.) had product to sell. It's MANY entertainers that suffer through traumatic experiences. But it's called show BUSINESS for a reason. The show must go on. No matter what U say his choice happened.

"4 all of us, life is death without adventure,& adventure only comes 2 those who are willing 2 b daring & take chances."prince 1985
"eye feel that we're on the brink of something. It is going 2 B strict and wild and pretty" prince 1986
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Reply #88 posted 10/02/19 9:04am

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It makes him different to love each one a bit differently? Love is love, of course but each female was different and he preferred leaving the past in the past, never to look back. My way or the highway. By the late 80s/early 90s he was changing nearly everything every couple years.
He was obviously gifted & hard working & in a sense, through music had the luxury to explore ideas, feeling, etc that most of us with full time jobs don't have time for. Otoh, I don't think the isolation he always put himself in, was ultimately healthy mentally or physically.


People’s interpretation of words are so interesting.


Hence, the question wink
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Reply #89 posted 10/02/19 9:10am

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Morgaine said:
I don't. Mostly because it's impossible to love two completely different people the same way. He seemed to really trust her in ways he didn't with others. Maybe because they were friends for years?

Yes, I think he loved or felt for them all differently too, and for different reasons. I can see him being obsessed with Vanity and wanting to protect her but also competing with wills.. I can see him loving Mayte because of her sweetness, innocence and loyalty to him and also neither she or vanity were jealous people... I can see him being taken with Manuela’s beauty and intelligence and the hopes he had... I can see him having a quiet, sensual relationship with Bria... and I can see him wanting to be young and hip and copy Andy’s style which was something new to him after the tight relationship and problems with Mani, and appreciate the freedom of a looser friendship and the music, and keep her for his muse. I think P was in ways so “different” that we can’t even understand it. [Edited 10/1/19 15:52pm]


From what I have read, Vanity was actually very jealous with Prince, which is why she would flaunt her dates with other men and flirt with other men in front of Prince. It's been stated that they had major fights because of Prince's infidelity, especially within the camp itself. Associates said she would be livid when Prince would ask to see Jill or Susan instead of her on the 1999 tour. Their relationship was toxic and full of jealousy, but also very sexual.


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I think Mayte was way too young to get involved with Prince, as he was 34 yrs to her 19 yrs. He could easily control and manipulate that relationship. He was dating many women when he was also sleeping with her, so really no different in terms of his relationships - except the pregnancy. I have no doubt that Mayte would have been just as jealous as any of Prince's girlfriends in dealing with knowing he was sleeping with other women while also seeing her. At her young age she may not have known though. He was an expert at keeping his affairs separate.


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Manuela was a huge Prince fan, and in the right place at the right time. Prince was moving on from Mayte, and there was another young and pretty girl working at PP who was completely smitten with him. Another easy-to-control situation for Prince. She also willingly converted to JW for him, so it was a win-win-win Prince - at least until the next attractive and young girl came into the mix, who was rumored to be Tamar.


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Prince was 52 yrs old when he began mentoring Andy Allo, and she was 22 yrs old. Yes, Prince was always mentally younger than his real age, but come on!! He was THIRTY years her senior. I think she was enamored with his musical genius, and wanted to be in his environment. Was she briefly smitten too? Seems that was the case based on the letter she had written him, but I just don't think theirs was any deep love affair.


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I think Bria was a muse and potential protege that ended when nothing really came of her record. That, and she may have realilzed he was with other women too.


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Prince was a creature of habit, and it seems he had the same pattern of behavior in all of his relationships. He was destined to be alone, because his actions/behaviors made a relationship with him unsustainable. He never changed, and the women became lonely and miserable with him.




I think Mayte, because her parents had a back & forth relationship, wasn't as concerned with his infidelity at first. I also believe she was aware he was sleeping with other women as she has stated as much.

I think there were periods where he was faithful (a few months maybe) with several women. By the time they met, he seems to have had a sort of formula for seducing young women over a period of time. Imho, it was to check them out plus he obviously enjoyed delayed gratification with some of them.

His first love was always music.
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