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Reply #30 posted 08/22/19 3:52am

TheTruth123

PeggyO said:



TheTruth123 said:


Another thing Jill says in that article: “When you got an album completed, you were done as a romantic interest. Like, you were still there but he was putting you in a place where you weren’t going to just be a happy power couple. You were given your wings to go do your thing. His ability to let go of your how fast or slow, that’s because he was juggling, like we say, the inspiration for all these women.” From what I have seen there are things that didn’t change. I think this is what happened with Andy Allo. He was getting older and she was the last muse he was involved with in that way, and because it gets harder as you get older, he might’ve let go of her more slowly. But I do think he also sent her out there after their music was done. He put out what she inspired cuz that’s what he always did.



Sheryl Crow was interviewed by Dan Rather on AXS televsion several years ago and sometime into the interview Michael Jackson was brought up as she toured with him many years ago. She mentioned his transcendent talent and this segued into a discussion about the 'late Prince' whom she said was on Michael's level, just unbelievably talented.


She stated she collaborated with with Prince for a short time,(I think they worked on "Winding Road, Baby Noz etc), she said that he shined 'a light so bright' on her that it was intoxicating. I am paraphrasing here but she said that she was not prepared for him to abruptly move on to another project without warning. He was not angry with her, he just turned off the light towards her when he was finished and started something else. She said it felt psychologically unsafe. They did not seem to be romantically involved.


She recounted this situation very objectively, but that stayed wth me.


It must have quite difficult for his various muses when their 'time was up'.


Sheryl Crow only experienced it over a short period of time but it felt unsafe and she is established.


Interesting...




I spent quite a while looking for this interview last night. I could only find clips of it but not with mention of P. If anyone finds it please let me know. I’d like to hear what her words are myself.
I did hear what she said about Michael Jackson and it was interesting, and her perspective.
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Reply #31 posted 08/22/19 12:42pm

PeggyO

TheTruth123 said:

PeggyO said:

Sheryl Crow was interviewed by Dan Rather on AXS televsion several years ago and sometime into the interview Michael Jackson was brought up as she toured with him many years ago. She mentioned his transcendent talent and this segued into a discussion about the 'late Prince' whom she said was on Michael's level, just unbelievably talented.

She stated she collaborated with with Prince for a short time,(I think they worked on "Winding Road, Baby Noz etc), she said that he shined 'a light so bright' on her that it was intoxicating. I am paraphrasing here but she said that she was not prepared for him to abruptly move on to another project without warning. He was not angry with her, he just turned off the light towards her when he was finished and started something else. She said it felt psychologically unsafe. They did not seem to be romantically involved.

She recounted this situation very objectively, but that stayed wth me.

It must have quite difficult for his various muses when their 'time was up'.

Sheryl Crow only experienced it over a short period of time but it felt unsafe and she is established.

Interesting...

I spent quite a while looking for this interview last night. I could only find clips of it but not with mention of P. If anyone finds it please let me know. I’d like to hear what her words are myself. I did hear what she said about Michael Jackson and it was interesting, and her perspective.

The mention of P comes after MJ. Perhaps there is an AXS TV archive.

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Reply #32 posted 08/22/19 12:51pm

TheTruth123

PeggyO said:



TheTruth123 said:


PeggyO said:




Sheryl Crow was interviewed by Dan Rather on AXS televsion several years ago and sometime into the interview Michael Jackson was brought up as she toured with him many years ago. She mentioned his transcendent talent and this segued into a discussion about the 'late Prince' whom she said was on Michael's level, just unbelievably talented.


She stated she collaborated with with Prince for a short time,(I think they worked on "Winding Road, Baby Noz etc), she said that he shined 'a light so bright' on her that it was intoxicating. I am paraphrasing here but she said that she was not prepared for him to abruptly move on to another project without warning. He was not angry with her, he just turned off the light towards her when he was finished and started something else. She said it felt psychologically unsafe. They did not seem to be romantically involved.


She recounted this situation very objectively, but that stayed wth me.


It must have quite difficult for his various muses when their 'time was up'.


Sheryl Crow only experienced it over a short period of time but it felt unsafe and she is established.


Interesting...




I spent quite a while looking for this interview last night. I could only find clips of it but not with mention of P. If anyone finds it please let me know. I’d like to hear what her words are myself. I did hear what she said about Michael Jackson and it was interesting, and her perspective.


The mention of P comes after MJ. Perhaps there is an AXS TV archive.



I looked on their website and all over YouTube and Google. That’s the problem with AXS. It’s already inaccessible in so many areas, then they have no way to find things later 😔
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Reply #33 posted 08/22/19 1:13pm

PeggyO

TheTruth123 said:

PeggyO said:

The mention of P comes after MJ. Perhaps there is an AXS TV archive.

I looked on their website and all over YouTube and Google. That’s the problem with AXS. It’s already inaccessible in so many areas, then they have no way to find things later 😔

Bummer. I think I paraphrased it fairly accurately, though.

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Reply #34 posted 08/23/19 6:01pm

Missmusicluver
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PeggyO said:

TheTruth123 said:

Peggy you have a wealth of knowledge. That is interesting. Regardless of what happened with him and Mayte I can see why it was so hard for her to move on. With Manuela, she wasn’t a muse. So... Mayte was in a way. I read recently someone who was around back then (I forget who it was) say that Prince and Mayte watched each other so intensely while she danced for him one day that it was uncomfortable being in what felt like their private space. Anyway, the shining a bright light thing is amazing. Mayte for instance again, said she was put on a very high pedestal and spoiled by him. For a time, as we know.

I was kinda using the word muse loosely...I think most/many of his relationships had that quality.

Yes so true with how Prince was with his relationships whether romantic and/or business. I am totally mesmerized and in complete awe just by watching him on videos (as a fan) because he has that charisma, charm. confidence and talent that is so intoxicating that you cannot take your eyes off him, bright shining light for sure! I can only imagine what it was like to have known him personally and spent time with him like that. You would never forget that's 4 sure, lol.

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Reply #35 posted 08/27/19 10:15pm

MoodyBlumes

TheTruth123 said:

MoodyBlumes said:



PeggyO said:




TheTruth123 said:




It is? I thought all of PR was about Vanity.







when doves cry is about his relationship with susan moonsie-maybe he was upset with her withdrawing sexually.


It was brought up in DMSR and several othere biographies.


He wrote it after songs for Purple Rain were complete.


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Did Prince himself say that When Doves Cry was about Susan Moonsie? Vanity was to be his co-star in Purple Rain and left him, she was also pretty stunning, he put her on his iconic Rolling Stone cover instead of his bandmates.


Jill Jones said Prince kept in touch with high school girlfriend Kim Upsher throughout his life; for all we know 'Forever in My Life' could be about her.


https://www.huffpost.com/...uewn4lSwez



"...his girlfriend who has been with him, lived in the same house as him, grew up with him, that was his big crush from school...Kim was an unsung hero in my opinion. They stayed friends throughout." - Jill



Prince warned against people claiming they know who his songs were about...


[Edited 8/18/19 13:04pm]



Hey Moody. Got to reading this article and hope you don’t mind that I borrowed it to start another topic on the PMAM forum. Thank you

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Reply #36 posted 08/27/19 10:26pm

MoodyBlumes

Missmusicluver72 said:

Yes, it has been widely discussed for years that WDC is written about Susan. I read somewhere that he did stay in touch with Kim Upsher over the years and also paid for her funeral when she passed away in November 2015. I know P has a reputation as being a womanizer and not always being faithful but it seems if he really liked them and cared for them even after a relationship ended, he stayed in touch with some of them over the years. I think Forever in My Life is written about Susannah Melvoin, he reportedly confirmed it in an AOL Q&A several years ago.

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Could you provide a reference where Prince said WDC was written about Susan. Thank you.
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Reply #37 posted 08/28/19 2:24pm

Missmusicluver
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MoodyBlumes said:

Missmusicluver72 said:

Yes, it has been widely discussed for years that WDC is written about Susan. I read somewhere that he did stay in touch with Kim Upsher over the years and also paid for her funeral when she passed away in November 2015. I know P has a reputation as being a womanizer and not always being faithful but it seems if he really liked them and cared for them even after a relationship ended, he stayed in touch with some of them over the years. I think Forever in My Life is written about Susannah Melvoin, he reportedly confirmed it in an AOL Q&A several years ago.

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---- Could you provide a reference where Prince said WDC was written about Susan. Thank you.

I don't have one directly, It has been widely discussed amongst fans (even on this messageboard) that it was written about her and that is where I got it from.

[Edited 8/28/19 14:33pm]

[Edited 8/28/19 14:35pm]

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Reply #38 posted 08/28/19 3:25pm

PeggyO

Missmusicluver72 said:

MoodyBlumes said:

Missmusicluver72 said: ---- Could you provide a reference where Prince said WDC was written about Susan. Thank you.

I don't have one directly, It has been widely discussed amongst fans (even on this messageboard) that it was written about her and that is where I got it from.

[Edited 8/28/19 14:33pm]

[Edited 8/28/19 14:35pm]

Per Nilson (sp), the author of the DMSR, stated this.

Prince was not in the habit of saying which songs were written for which person.

It is also widely known anecdotally.

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Reply #39 posted 08/28/19 4:09pm

Missmusicluver
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PeggyO said:

Missmusicluver72 said:

I don't have one directly, It has been widely discussed amongst fans (even on this messageboard) that it was written about her and that is where I got it from.

[Edited 8/28/19 14:33pm]

[Edited 8/28/19 14:35pm]

Per Nilson (sp), the author of the DMSR, stated this.

Prince was not in the habit of saying which songs were written for which person.

It is also widely known anecdotally.

I used the search box also for this to come up and has been mentioned several times it is about her, but hey at the end of the day, only Prince knew for sure. He had a great way to keep us guessing whom he was refering to in many of his songs biggrin

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Reply #40 posted 08/30/19 8:20am

violetcrush

MoodyBlumes said:

PeggyO said:

when doves cry is about his relationship with susan moonsie-maybe he was upset with her withdrawing sexually.

It was brought up in DMSR and several othere biographies.

He wrote it after songs for Purple Rain were complete.

[Edited 8/15/19 20:40pm]

Did Prince himself say that When Doves Cry was about Susan Moonsie? Vanity was to be his co-star in Purple Rain and left him, she was also pretty stunning, he put her on his iconic Rolling Stone cover instead of his bandmates.

Jill Jones said Prince kept in touch with high school girlfriend Kim Upsher throughout his life; for all we know 'Forever in My Life' could be about her.

https://www.huffpost.com/...uewn4lSwez

"...his girlfriend who has been with him, lived in the same house as him, grew up with him, that was his big crush from school...Kim was an unsung hero in my opinion. They stayed friends throughout." - Jill

Prince warned against people claiming they know who his songs were about...

[Edited 8/18/19 13:04pm]

In 1997 Prince stated that Forever In My Life was written for/about Susannah Melvoin:

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July 21st AOL Live Chat with "The Artist" (from princevault.com/interviews:

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Question: What was your inspiration for the song Forever In My Life?
TheArtist: susannah
TheArtist: she knows

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There were a handful of very significant women throughout his life, and he wrote songs about them during his time with them. They were his muses to inspire the songs.

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Reply #41 posted 08/30/19 8:24am

violetcrush

Susan looks great. I love the interview with Brenda Bennett where she talks about her life-long friendship with Susan, and how they had a reunion with Prince back during his Musicology tour. She said he was so surprised to see Brenda walking down the backstage ramp, but when he saw Susan he nearly fell over. They hadn't seen or spoken to each other since the 80's, and Susan had been living in Trinidad for years. Really good interview. Check it out below if you haven't listened to it:

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kvty4s0u0LY&t=12s

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Reply #42 posted 08/30/19 8:48am

violetcrush

Missmusicluver72 said:

PeggyO said:

Per Nilson (sp), the author of the DMSR, stated this.

Prince was not in the habit of saying which songs were written for which person.

It is also widely known anecdotally.

I used the search box also for this to come up and has been mentioned several times it is about her, but hey at the end of the day, only Prince knew for sure. He had a great way to keep us guessing whom he was refering to in many of his songs biggrin

I had also read that the song was inspired by his arguments with Susan (it's written in several of the Biogrpahies), but I've always thought that the lyrics connect more with his situation with Vanity at that time. She had left him and the camp not long before he recorded the song. Susan was still there with Apollonia 6, although they were no longer romantically involved. Susan had stepped away from that during the 1999 tour.

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I also thought the lyric, "why do we scream at each other.." would align more with Vanity, because it's been well documented that they had pretty big blowout fights with each other. And the "maybe you're just like my Mother, she's never satisfied.." would tie in with Vanity wanting more from Prince with both personally and professionally - she wanted more money for PR.

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Everyone has always said that Susan had/has a quiet, calm and sweet disposition. That was easy to tell just by watching her in PR and early interviews with Vanity 6.

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Then again, Albert Magnoli has stated that he decided at the last minute, during editing the film, that he wanted to do a montage scene of shots with Prince riding his motorcycle and which show the family drama and drama with Apollonia. Prince said, "okay", and he had it done by the next morning. So, the song could literally just be Prince re-enacting the film's scenes for the song with no specific personal inspiration other than the characters in the film.

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Reply #43 posted 08/31/19 10:16pm

MoodyBlumes

violetcrush said:

MoodyBlumes said:

Did Prince himself say that When Doves Cry was about Susan Moonsie? Vanity was to be his co-star in Purple Rain and left him, she was also pretty stunning, he put her on his iconic Rolling Stone cover instead of his bandmates.

Jill Jones said Prince kept in touch with high school girlfriend Kim Upsher throughout his life; for all we know 'Forever in My Life' could be about her.

https://www.huffpost.com/...uewn4lSwez

"...his girlfriend who has been with him, lived in the same house as him, grew up with him, that was his big crush from school...Kim was an unsung hero in my opinion. They stayed friends throughout." - Jill

Prince warned against people claiming they know who his songs were about...

[Edited 8/18/19 13:04pm]

In 1997 Prince stated that Forever In My Life was written for/about Susannah Melvoin:

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July 21st AOL Live Chat with "The Artist" (from princevault.com/interviews:

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Question: What was your inspiration for the song Forever In My Life?
TheArtist: susannah
TheArtist: she knows

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There were a handful of very significant women throughout his life, and he wrote songs about them during his time with them. They were his muses to inspire the songs.

Yes, there was quite a handful of significant women throughout Prince's life. If Prince didn't say WDC was written about Susan, then others shouldn't assume it to be.

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Reply #44 posted 09/01/19 12:37am

PeggyO

MoodyBlumes said:

Yes, there was quite a handful of significant women throughout Prince's life. If Prince didn't say WDC was written about Susan, then others shouldn't assume it to be.

You need to get caught up on your reading.

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Reply #45 posted 09/01/19 9:08am

Missmusicluver
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MoodyBlumes said:

violetcrush said:

In 1997 Prince stated that Forever In My Life was written for/about Susannah Melvoin:

*

July 21st AOL Live Chat with "The Artist" (from princevault.com/interviews:

*

Question: What was your inspiration for the song Forever In My Life?
TheArtist: susannah
TheArtist: she knows

*

There were a handful of very significant women throughout his life, and he wrote songs about them during his time with them. They were his muses to inspire the songs.

Yes, there was quite a handful of significant women throughout Prince's life. If Prince didn't say WDC was written about Susan, then others shouldn't assume it to be.

Well what difference does it make? Do you think it was written for Vanity then? Only Prince knew that for sure.

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Reply #46 posted 09/01/19 10:55am

PeggyO

MoodyBlumes said:

Yes, there was quite a handful of significant women throughout Prince's life. If Prince didn't say WDC was written about Susan, then others shouldn't assume it to be.

You are lazy...you need to do your own research...that is what I object to in your approach. Do the work and then you are qualified to have an opinion. Stop relying on 1-2 orgers who agree with your pre-conceptions...it's boring and irrelevant.

[Edited 9/1/19 11:00am]

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Reply #47 posted 09/04/19 7:42am

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TheTruth123 said:

PeggyO said:

Sheryl Crow was interviewed by Dan Rather on AXS televsion several years ago and sometime into the interview Michael Jackson was brought up as she toured with him many years ago. She mentioned his transcendent talent and this segued into a discussion about the 'late Prince' whom she said was on Michael's level, just unbelievably talented.

She stated she collaborated with with Prince for a short time,(I think they worked on "Winding Road, Baby Noz etc), she said that he shined 'a light so bright' on her that it was intoxicating. I am paraphrasing here but she said that she was not prepared for him to abruptly move on to another project without warning. He was not angry with her, he just turned off the light towards her when he was finished and started something else. She said it felt psychologically unsafe. They did not seem to be romantically involved.

She recounted this situation very objectively, but that stayed wth me.

It must have quite difficult for his various muses when their 'time was up'.

Sheryl Crow only experienced it over a short period of time but it felt unsafe and she is established.

Interesting...

I spent quite a while looking for this interview last night. I could only find clips of it but not with mention of P. If anyone finds it please let me know. I’d like to hear what her words are myself. I did hear what she said about Michael Jackson and it was interesting, and her perspective.



I wonder what she meant by "psychologically unsafe" and why didnt Dan follow up?

In the past I've looked for a different Dan AXS interview with a musician, and I couldnt find it anywhere.

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Reply #48 posted 09/04/19 1:55pm

PeggyO

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

TheTruth123 said:

PeggyO said: I spent quite a while looking for this interview last night. I could only find clips of it but not with mention of P. If anyone finds it please let me know. I’d like to hear what her words are myself. I did hear what she said about Michael Jackson and it was interesting, and her perspective.



I wonder what she meant by "psychologically unsafe" and why didnt Dan follow up?

In the past I've looked for a different Dan AXS interview with a musician, and I couldnt find it anywhere.

Sheryl was comparing both MJ and Prince as transcendent 'talent-wise' but that there were psychological 'oddities' about both of them; MJ being immature and child-like/Prince being somewhat

'unattuned' to his affect on others, ie., shining an intense light for a period and then abruptly turning it off after he moved on to another interest. She felt the bottom fall out, so to speak and then mentioned that experience as 'psychologically unsafe'. She was not upset nor critical, just observant.

The interview was about Sheryl so perhaps Dan was satisfied with her insights and moved on.

Sheryl seemed very self-aware and grounded in the interview.

I wanted to watch it again as it was really good;it was held on her beautiful horse-farm in Nashville, in her gorgeous studio. I can only find pieces of the interview. I tried to find an archives list on AXS but could not...bummer.

She discussed Madonna as well. I was very impressed with her maturity...high emotional intelligence.

Just thought of this: Have you seen the duet between Prince and Sheryl? I think it was in Toronto in 1999 or 2000? They sang Winding Road (I think that is the name). It is wonderful. Though it was a country song, he made it a Blues song. Not sure it he did that on the spot.

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Reply #49 posted 09/04/19 4:11pm

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PeggyO said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:



I wonder what she meant by "psychologically unsafe" and why didnt Dan follow up?

In the past I've looked for a different Dan AXS interview with a musician, and I couldnt find it anywhere.

Sheryl was comparing both MJ and Prince as transcendent 'talent-wise' but that there were psychological 'oddities' about both of them; MJ being immature and child-like/Prince being somewhat

'unattuned' to his affect on others, ie., shining an intense light for a period and then abruptly turning it off after he moved on to another interest. She felt the bottom fall out, so to speak and then mentioned that experience as 'psychologically unsafe'. She was not upset nor critical, just observant.

The interview was about Sheryl so perhaps Dan was satisfied with her insights and moved on.

Sheryl seemed very self-aware and grounded in the interview.

I wanted to watch it again as it was really good;it was held on her beautiful horse-farm in Nashville, in her gorgeous studio. I can only find pieces of the interview. I tried to find an archives list on AXS but could not...bummer.

She discussed Madonna as well. I was very impressed with her maturity...high emotional intelligence.

Just thought of this: Have you seen the duet between Prince and Sheryl? I think it was in Toronto in 1999 or 2000? They sang Winding Road (I think that is the name). It is wonderful. Though it was a country song, he made it a Blues song. Not sure it he did that on the spot.



Yes, I have seen the duet and have it saved on my computer.

He was sooooooooo beautiful in the video.

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Reply #50 posted 09/04/19 5:11pm

PeggyO

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

PeggyO said:

Sheryl was comparing both MJ and Prince as transcendent 'talent-wise' but that there were psychological 'oddities' about both of them; MJ being immature and child-like/Prince being somewhat

'unattuned' to his affect on others, ie., shining an intense light for a period and then abruptly turning it off after he moved on to another interest. She felt the bottom fall out, so to speak and then mentioned that experience as 'psychologically unsafe'. She was not upset nor critical, just observant.

The interview was about Sheryl so perhaps Dan was satisfied with her insights and moved on.

Sheryl seemed very self-aware and grounded in the interview.

I wanted to watch it again as it was really good;it was held on her beautiful horse-farm in Nashville, in her gorgeous studio. I can only find pieces of the interview. I tried to find an archives list on AXS but could not...bummer.

She discussed Madonna as well. I was very impressed with her maturity...high emotional intelligence.

Just thought of this: Have you seen the duet between Prince and Sheryl? I think it was in Toronto in 1999 or 2000? They sang Winding Road (I think that is the name). It is wonderful. Though it was a country song, he made it a Blues song. Not sure it he did that on the spot.



Yes, I have seen the duet and have it saved on my computer.

He was sooooooooo beautiful in the video.

I found the interview through AXS/Dan Rather but I had to pay $2. for it and I am hopeless at

getting it to you but she did say that both Michael and Prince were beyond being stars, that there was something Cosmic/Divine about both of them. She said Bruce Springsteen/Sting were stars.

She said Prince moved to the beat of his own drum and was the most talented musician she had ever been around. He could play any genre.

He scooped her up and shone a spotlight on her, which was intoxicating and then just dropped her. Felt unsafe (She shook her head). But, she was smiling.

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Reply #51 posted 09/04/19 8:27pm

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PeggyO said:






MoodyBlumes said:



Yes, there was quite a handful of significant women throughout Prince's life. If Prince didn't say WDC was written about Susan, then others shouldn't assume it to be.





You are lazy...you need to do your own research...that is what I object to in your approach. Do the work and then you are qualified to have an opinion. Stop relying on 1-2 orgers who agree with your pre-conceptions...it's boring and irrelevant.

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Nothing lazy about it. Unless Prince himself stated that WDC was about Susan, then this is speculation. Prince in an Ebony article said 9 times out of 10 people are wrong in interpreting his songs. Are his own words not relevant?
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Reply #52 posted 09/04/19 8:37pm

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PeggyO said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:



Yes, I have seen the duet and have it saved on my computer.

He was sooooooooo beautiful in the video.

I found the interview through AXS/Dan Rather but I had to pay $2. for it and I am hopeless at

getting it to you but she did say that both Michael and Prince were beyond being stars, that there was something Cosmic/Divine about both of them. She said Bruce Springsteen/Sting were stars.

She said Prince moved to the beat of his own drum and was the most talented musician she had ever been around. He could play any genre.

He scooped her up and shone a spotlight on her, which was intoxicating and then just dropped her. Felt unsafe (She shook her head). But, she was smiling.



Thanks PeggyO!

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Reply #53 posted 09/07/19 1:17pm

MoodyBlumes

Missmusicluver72 said:

MoodyBlumes said:

Yes, there was quite a handful of significant women throughout Prince's life. If Prince didn't say WDC was written about Susan, then others shouldn't assume it to be.

Well what difference does it make? Do you think it was written for Vanity then? Only Prince knew that for sure.

It seems to have made a difference to Prince...

EBONY: Do you ever see yourself writing a memoir?
Prince: You ever heard of checking your list to see who’s naughty and who’s nice? I just let people talk. I was talking to somebody about “The Beautiful Ones.” They were speculating as to who I was singing about. But they were completely wrong.
If they look at it, it’s very obvious. “Do you want him or do you want me,” that was written for that scene in Purple Rain specifically. Where Morris [Day] would be sitting with [Apollonia], and there’d be this back and forth. And also, “The beautiful ones you always seem to lose,” Vanity had just quit the movie. To then speculate, “Well, he wrote that song about me”? Afterwards you go, “Who are you? Why do you think that you’re part of the script that way? And why would you go around saying stuff like that?”
So we just let people talk and say whatever they want to say. Nine times out of 10, trust me, what’s out there now, I wouldn’t give nary one of these folks the time of day. That’s why I don’t say anything back, because there’s so much that’s wrong.
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Reply #54 posted 09/07/19 4:56pm

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MoodyBlumes said:

Missmusicluver72 said:

Well what difference does it make? Do you think it was written for Vanity then? Only Prince knew that for sure.

It seems to have made a difference to Prince...

EBONY: Do you ever see yourself writing a memoir?
Prince: You ever heard of checking your list to see who’s naughty and who’s nice? I just let people talk. I was talking to somebody about “The Beautiful Ones.” They were speculating as to who I was singing about. But they were completely wrong.
If they look at it, it’s very obvious. “Do you want him or do you want me,” that was written for that scene in Purple Rain specifically. Where Morris [Day] would be sitting with [Apollonia], and there’d be this back and forth. And also, “The beautiful ones you always seem to lose,” Vanity had just quit the movie. To then speculate, “Well, he wrote that song about me”? Afterwards you go, “Who are you? Why do you think that you’re part of the script that way? And why would you go around saying stuff like that?”
So we just let people talk and say whatever they want to say. Nine times out of 10, trust me, what’s out there now, I wouldn’t give nary one of these folks the time of day. That’s why I don’t say anything back, because there’s so much that’s wrong.
https://www.facebook.com/...788385046/

Prince was extremely defensive during that interview and he was weirdly venting about many past associates - Susan Rogers, Matt Fink, Susannah, etc. Even ragging on the musical abilities of No Doubt. I think it was a very sad and lonely time for him. Two very prominent Biographies had just been published about him - Alan Light's "Let's Go Crazy The Making Of Purple Rain", and Matt Thorne's "Prince, The Man and His Music." Many associates had contributed their experiences for the first time - including Susannah. She had never spoken before. She and Prince were also feuding during this time, because of the conflict with him preventing them from using The Family name for the new records.

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Of course Vanity was part of the inspiration for TBO - "paint a perfect picture.." - is the Purple Rain film, and "the beautiful ones always smash the picture.." - is Vanity leaving the film and the camp. However, the majority of the song is Prince begging this woman to choose him over the "other guy" in her life, and if he has to wait any longer for her he's going to go crazy - "don't make me lose my mind, babe..". NO WAY in hell all of that emotion and those intense lyrics were just specifically for that little scene in the film - especially considering Apollonia hadn't even been cast yet, and they hadn't begun filming. ALL of the associates around at that time have confirmed that Susannah was in a serious relationship with another guy when Prince was heavily pursuing her throughout 1983.

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Also, during the performance of the song at the Januray 21st P&M show his words to the audience are very telling, as he seems to be admitting to the long-held story, and this was a month before Vanty's unexpected passing. He said, "Some singers have the courage to tell you (pauses), and if they are male don't let them lie to you. They ALL write songs to "cop" girls." Then he began playing The Beautiful Ones.

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Prince also pulled that interview only hours after it was published online. I believe that is the ONLY instance in his life that he had done that. What that guy did was terrible and completely unethical in the world of journalism. I would be surprised if any prominent musicians would trust him to do an interview based on that stunt he pulled. I can't even believe Prince didn't toss him out on his ass when he asked to play his piano, and then had the audacity to play one of Prince's songs?? At least Prince did walk out of the room when he started playing.

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The journalist also got the information wrong about the Bob Seger story. Matt Fink had stated, in one of the Biographies, that they were following Bob Seger's show on the 1999 tour, and one night they were there watching him sing one of his big ballads and watching the audience all swaying to the song. Prince was trying to "cross over" during this time. Matt just suggested that he write a big "Bic Lighter" ballad to help with the "crossover". Matt did NOT say anything about Prince getting a Sax player like Clarence Clemmons. Completely false information.

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The saddest part of that interview is at the end when he says no one comes around anymore. I think he was extremely lonely.

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Let's play a new game... try to stop talking about who Prince loved the most what woman inspired what song. 4yr in this old game is woren out.

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Reply #56 posted 09/07/19 6:51pm

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OldFriends4Sale said:

Let's play a new game... try to stop talking about who Prince loved the most what woman inspired what song. 4yr in this old game is woren out.

To be fair, I had other topics beside TBO in my post above biggrin

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But all of the longtime Prince fans know by now that he hated when people talked about who or what inspired his songs. He wanted that mystery and/or the control of what was said or not said to the public.

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Reply #57 posted 09/07/19 7:38pm

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violetcrush said:

MoodyBlumes said:

It seems to have made a difference to Prince...

EBONY: Do you ever see yourself writing a memoir?
Prince: You ever heard of checking your list to see who’s naughty and who’s nice? I just let people talk. I was talking to somebody about “The Beautiful Ones.” They were speculating as to who I was singing about. But they were completely wrong.
If they look at it, it’s very obvious. “Do you want him or do you want me,” that was written for that scene in Purple Rain specifically. Where Morris [Day] would be sitting with [Apollonia], and there’d be this back and forth. And also, “The beautiful ones you always seem to lose,” Vanity had just quit the movie. To then speculate, “Well, he wrote that song about me”? Afterwards you go, “Who are you? Why do you think that you’re part of the script that way? And why would you go around saying stuff like that?”
So we just let people talk and say whatever they want to say. Nine times out of 10, trust me, what’s out there now, I wouldn’t give nary one of these folks the time of day. That’s why I don’t say anything back, because there’s so much that’s wrong.
https://www.facebook.com/...788385046/

Prince was extremely defensive during that interview and he was weirdly venting about many past associates - Susan Rogers, Matt Fink, Susannah, etc. Even ragging on the musical abilities of No Doubt. I think it was a very sad and lonely time for him. Two very prominent Biographies had just been published about him - Alan Light's "Let's Go Crazy The Making Of Purple Rain", and Matt Thorne's "Prince, The Man and His Music." Many associates had contributed their experiences for the first time - including Susannah. She had never spoken before. She and Prince were also feuding during this time, because of the conflict with him preventing them from using The Family name for the new records.

*

Of course Vanity was part of the inspiration for TBO - "paint a perfect picture.." - is the Purple Rain film, and "the beautiful ones always smash the picture.." - is Vanity leaving the film and the camp. However, the majority of the song is Prince begging this woman to choose him over the "other guy" in her life, and if he has to wait any longer for her he's going to go crazy - "don't make me lose my mind, babe..". NO WAY in hell all of that emotion and those intense lyrics were just specifically for that little scene in the film - especially considering Apollonia hadn't even been cast yet, and they hadn't begun filming. ALL of the associates around at that time have confirmed that Susannah was in a serious relationship with another guy when Prince was heavily pursuing her throughout 1983.

*

Also, during the performance of the song at the Januray 21st P&M show his words to the audience are very telling, as he seems to be admitting to the long-held story, and this was a month before Vanty's unexpected passing. He said, "Some singers have the courage to tell you (pauses), and if they are male don't let them lie to you. They ALL write songs to "cop" girls." Then he began playing The Beautiful Ones.

*

Prince also pulled that interview only hours after it was published online. I believe that is the ONLY instance in his life that he had done that. What that guy did was terrible and completely unethical in the world of journalism. I would be surprised if any prominent musicians would trust him to do an interview based on that stunt he pulled. I can't even believe Prince didn't toss him out on his ass when he asked to play his piano, and then had the audacity to play one of Prince's songs?? At least Prince did walk out of the room when he started playing.

*

The journalist also got the information wrong about the Bob Seger story. Matt Fink had stated, in one of the Biographies, that they were following Bob Seger's show on the 1999 tour, and one night they were there watching him sing one of his big ballads and watching the audience all swaying to the song. Prince was trying to "cross over" during this time. Matt just suggested that he write a big "Bic Lighter" ballad to help with the "crossover". Matt did NOT say anything about Prince getting a Sax player like Clarence Clemmons. Completely false information.

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The saddest part of that interview is at the end when he says no one comes around anymore. I think he was extremely lonely.

So again, where did Prince say that he wrote WDC for Susan Moonsie? How sad that people choose to believe the words of others over the man who actually wrote the music. Prince was pissed... don't blame him.

[Edited 9/7/19 19:38pm]

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Reply #58 posted 09/07/19 7:49pm

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OldFriends4Sale said:

Let's play a new game... try to stop talking about who Prince loved the most what woman inspired what song. 4yr in this old game is woren out.

The game is much older than 4 years, and I think the Ebony article well reveals how Prince felt about it. And the article was published... just like Prince wanted it to be.

[Edited 9/7/19 19:50pm]

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Reply #59 posted 09/07/19 8:49pm

violetcrush

MoodyBlumes said:

violetcrush said:

Prince was extremely defensive during that interview and he was weirdly venting about many past associates - Susan Rogers, Matt Fink, Susannah, etc. Even ragging on the musical abilities of No Doubt. I think it was a very sad and lonely time for him. Two very prominent Biographies had just been published about him - Alan Light's "Let's Go Crazy The Making Of Purple Rain", and Matt Thorne's "Prince, The Man and His Music." Many associates had contributed their experiences for the first time - including Susannah. She had never spoken before. She and Prince were also feuding during this time, because of the conflict with him preventing them from using The Family name for the new records.

*

Of course Vanity was part of the inspiration for TBO - "paint a perfect picture.." - is the Purple Rain film, and "the beautiful ones always smash the picture.." - is Vanity leaving the film and the camp. However, the majority of the song is Prince begging this woman to choose him over the "other guy" in her life, and if he has to wait any longer for her he's going to go crazy - "don't make me lose my mind, babe..". NO WAY in hell all of that emotion and those intense lyrics were just specifically for that little scene in the film - especially considering Apollonia hadn't even been cast yet, and they hadn't begun filming. ALL of the associates around at that time have confirmed that Susannah was in a serious relationship with another guy when Prince was heavily pursuing her throughout 1983.

*

Also, during the performance of the song at the Januray 21st P&M show his words to the audience are very telling, as he seems to be admitting to the long-held story, and this was a month before Vanty's unexpected passing. He said, "Some singers have the courage to tell you (pauses), and if they are male don't let them lie to you. They ALL write songs to "cop" girls." Then he began playing The Beautiful Ones.

*

Prince also pulled that interview only hours after it was published online. I believe that is the ONLY instance in his life that he had done that. What that guy did was terrible and completely unethical in the world of journalism. I would be surprised if any prominent musicians would trust him to do an interview based on that stunt he pulled. I can't even believe Prince didn't toss him out on his ass when he asked to play his piano, and then had the audacity to play one of Prince's songs?? At least Prince did walk out of the room when he started playing.

*

The journalist also got the information wrong about the Bob Seger story. Matt Fink had stated, in one of the Biographies, that they were following Bob Seger's show on the 1999 tour, and one night they were there watching him sing one of his big ballads and watching the audience all swaying to the song. Prince was trying to "cross over" during this time. Matt just suggested that he write a big "Bic Lighter" ballad to help with the "crossover". Matt did NOT say anything about Prince getting a Sax player like Clarence Clemmons. Completely false information.

*

The saddest part of that interview is at the end when he says no one comes around anymore. I think he was extremely lonely.

So again, where did Prince say that he wrote WDC for Susan Moonsie? How sad that people choose to believe the words of others over the man who actually wrote the music. Prince was pissed... don't blame him.

[Edited 9/7/19 19:38pm]

That quote of Prince's words wasn't connected to WDC. It was a statement he made just before he played TBO.

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Prince never personally stated anything public about the inspiration for WDC. However, it has been written in the Biographies that it was connected to Susan.

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