MoodyBlumes said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Let's play a new game... try to stop talking about who Prince loved the most what woman inspired what song. 4yr in this old game is woren out.

The game is much older than 4 years, and I think the Ebony article well reveals how Prince felt about it. And the article was published... just like Prince wanted it to be.

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Then why did he have the article pulled shortly after it was published?? I would think if he was standing by his comments the article would have remained available to the public.

MoodyBlumes said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Let's play a new game... try to stop talking about who Prince loved the most what woman inspired what song. 4yr in this old game is woren out.

The game is much older than 4 years, and I think the Ebony article well reveals how Prince felt about it. And the article was published... just like Prince wanted it to be.

[Edited 9/7/19 19:50pm]

It wasn't so bad until Prince passed away.

I mean yall so embattled in sides, that we cannot even just appreciate Susan Moonsie

What does the Ebony mag article(that Prince had pulled) have to do with Susan... statement not question

OldFriends4Sale said:

MoodyBlumes said:

The game is much older than 4 years, and I think the Ebony article well reveals how Prince felt about it. And the article was published... just like Prince wanted it to be.

[Edited 9/7/19 19:50pm]

It wasn't so bad until Prince passed away.

I mean yall so embattled in sides, that we cannot even just appreciate Susan Moonsie

What does the Ebony mag article(that Prince had pulled) have to do with Susan... statement not question

Yes, I think more discussions because there are books and new interviews - Susannah, Jill, Sheila, Mayte, etc.

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I have to say I have found quite a lot of old threads (early 2000's and on) discussing his girlfriends, wives, etc. There are a couple of Google pages on just Susannah

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Then you had Prince, during his acoustic set for the LA Musicology tour, as he's strumming Forever In My Life, commenting on the fan discussions of "which of his women is the finest", which was pretty hilarious. Seems he was reading some of those threads too!

OldFriends4Sale said:

Great picture of her!!

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violetcrush said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

MoodyBlumes said:

violetcrush said:

Then why did he have the article pulled shortly after it was published?? I would think if he was standing by his comments the article would have remained available to the public.

Nah, he knew perfectly well it would be read, as intended.

Hell Yes

PeggyO said:

violetcrush said:

MoodyBlumes said:

It seems to have made a difference to Prince...

EBONY: Do you ever see yourself writing a memoir?

Prince: You ever heard of checking your list to see who’s naughty and who’s nice? I just let people talk. I was talking to somebody about “The Beautiful Ones.” They were speculating as to who I was singing about. But they were completely wrong.

If they look at it, it’s very obvious. “Do you want him or do you want me,” that was written for that scene in Purple Rain specifically. Where Morris [Day] would be sitting with [Apollonia], and there’d be this back and forth. And also, “The beautiful ones you always seem to lose,” Vanity had just quit the movie. To then speculate, “Well, he wrote that song about me”? Afterwards you go, “Who are you? Why do you think that you’re part of the script that way? And why would you go around saying stuff like that?”

So we just let people talk and say whatever they want to say. Nine times out of 10, trust me, what’s out there now, I wouldn’t give nary one of these folks the time of day. That’s why I don’t say anything back, because there’s so much that’s wrong.

https://www.facebook.com/...788385046/

Prince was extremely defensive during that interview and he was weirdly venting about many past associates - Susan Rogers, Matt Fink, Susannah, etc. Even ragging on the musical abilities of No Doubt. I think it was a very sad and lonely time for him. Two very prominent Biographies had just been published about him - Alan Light's "Let's Go Crazy The Making Of Purple Rain", and Matt Thorne's "Prince, The Man and His Music." Many associates had contributed their experiences for the first time - including Susannah. She had never spoken before. She and Prince were also feuding during this time, because of the conflict with him preventing them from using The Family name for the new records.

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Of course Vanity was part of the inspiration for TBO - "paint a perfect picture.." - is the Purple Rain film, and "the beautiful ones always smash the picture.." - is Vanity leaving the film and the camp. However, the majority of the song is Prince begging this woman to choose him over the "other guy" in her life, and if he has to wait any longer for her he's going to go crazy - "don't make me lose my mind, babe..". NO WAY in hell all of that emotion and those intense lyrics were just specifically for that little scene in the film - especially considering Apollonia hadn't even been cast yet, and they hadn't begun filming. ALL of the associates around at that time have confirmed that Susannah was in a serious relationship with another guy when Prince was heavily pursuing her throughout 1983.

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Also, during the performance of the song at the Januray 21st P&M show his words to the audience are very telling, as he seems to be admitting to the long-held story, and this was a month before Vanty's unexpected passing. He said, "Some singers have the courage to tell you (pauses), and if they are male don't let them lie to you. They ALL write songs to "cop" girls." Then he began playing The Beautiful Ones.

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Prince also pulled that interview only hours after it was published online. I believe that is the ONLY instance in his life that he had done that. What that guy did was terrible and completely unethical in the world of journalism. I would be surprised if any prominent musicians would trust him to do an interview based on that stunt he pulled. I can't even believe Prince didn't toss him out on his ass when he asked to play his piano, and then had the audacity to play one of Prince's songs?? At least Prince did walk out of the room when he started playing.

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The journalist also got the information wrong about the Bob Seger story. Matt Fink had stated, in one of the Biographies, that they were following Bob Seger's show on the 1999 tour, and one night they were there watching him sing one of his big ballads and watching the audience all swaying to the song. Prince was trying to "cross over" during this time. Matt just suggested that he write a big "Bic Lighter" ballad to help with the "crossover". Matt did NOT say anything about Prince getting a Sax player like Clarence Clemmons. Completely false information.

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The saddest part of that interview is at the end when he says no one comes around anymore. I think he was extremely lonely.

[Edited 9/7/19 23:02pm]

icecreamcastle777 said:

violetcrush said:

Prince was extremely defensive during that interview and he was weirdly venting about many past associates - Susan Rogers, Matt Fink, Susannah, etc. Even ragging on the musical abilities of No Doubt. I think it was a very sad and lonely time for him. Two very prominent Biographies had just been published about him - Alan Light's "Let's Go Crazy The Making Of Purple Rain", and Matt Thorne's "Prince, The Man and His Music." Many associates had contributed their experiences for the first time - including Susannah. She had never spoken before. She and Prince were also feuding during this time, because of the conflict with him preventing them from using The Family name for the new records.

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Of course Vanity was part of the inspiration for TBO - "paint a perfect picture.." - is the Purple Rain film, and "the beautiful ones always smash the picture.." - is Vanity leaving the film and the camp. However, the majority of the song is Prince begging this woman to choose him over the "other guy" in her life, and if he has to wait any longer for her he's going to go crazy - "don't make me lose my mind, babe..". NO WAY in hell all of that emotion and those intense lyrics were just specifically for that little scene in the film - especially considering Apollonia hadn't even been cast yet, and they hadn't begun filming. ALL of the associates around at that time have confirmed that Susannah was in a serious relationship with another guy when Prince was heavily pursuing her throughout 1983.

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Also, during the performance of the song at the Januray 21st P&M show his words to the audience are very telling, as he seems to be admitting to the long-held story, and this was a month before Vanty's unexpected passing. He said, "Some singers have the courage to tell you (pauses), and if they are male don't let them lie to you. They ALL write songs to "cop" girls." Then he began playing The Beautiful Ones.

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Prince also pulled that interview only hours after it was published online. I believe that is the ONLY instance in his life that he had done that. What that guy did was terrible and completely unethical in the world of journalism. I would be surprised if any prominent musicians would trust him to do an interview based on that stunt he pulled. I can't even believe Prince didn't toss him out on his ass when he asked to play his piano, and then had the audacity to play one of Prince's songs?? At least Prince did walk out of the room when he started playing.

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The journalist also got the information wrong about the Bob Seger story. Matt Fink had stated, in one of the Biographies, that they were following Bob Seger's show on the 1999 tour, and one night they were there watching him sing one of his big ballads and watching the audience all swaying to the song. Prince was trying to "cross over" during this time. Matt just suggested that he write a big "Bic Lighter" ballad to help with the "crossover". Matt did NOT say anything about Prince getting a Sax player like Clarence Clemmons. Completely false information.

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The saddest part of that interview is at the end when he says no one comes around anymore. I think he was extremely lonely.

Sorry, but that's dumb as hell. Prince never told Susannah the song was about her, so how did he use it to cop her?? Don't you think that would be Vanity he was talking about since Prince admitted at the P&M show that he told the woman about the song, which had to be after they had broken up? He never told any of those associates in the past that the song was about Susannah either. That's just something one of them thought up and everybody else jumped on. Susan Rogers talked about that. If you really look at it, all the associates who say the song is about Susannah don't have any real proof and are all close friends of hers and Wendy from that time period. You can't tell me there's not gonna be some bias shit going on from that...

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F*ck that, they don't get to choose who Prince's songs are about. Prince does. How do you know which part of the lyrics are for Vanity and which ones isn't? Didn't you see where Prince pointed out to the interviewer that he was singing about her loss? Look up at the lyrics the girl posted. He literally said Vanity inspired this part... "The beautiful ones you always seem to lose..." What does that tell you? He's saying he was mourning her loss from his life clear as day. The only part he talked about in connection to the movie was what he pointed out, and even your girl Susannah agrees with that shit since she admitted in the book The Making of Purple Rain, that he was writing songs to match the movie scenes.

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“I can’t say that the song was exactly our story, but he wrote it during that time,” says Susannah. “He wasn’t always specifically writing about what he was going through, because he also had to be consistent with the Purple Rain story line, but he was drawing from things that had happened in his life.

[Edited 9/7/19 23:02pm]

[Edited 9/8/19 7:57am]

icecreamcastle777 said:

violetcrush said:

Prince was extremely defensive during that interview and he was weirdly venting about many past associates - Susan Rogers, Matt Fink, Susannah, etc. Even ragging on the musical abilities of No Doubt. I think it was a very sad and lonely time for him. Two very prominent Biographies had just been published about him - Alan Light's "Let's Go Crazy The Making Of Purple Rain", and Matt Thorne's "Prince, The Man and His Music." Many associates had contributed their experiences for the first time - including Susannah. She had never spoken before. She and Prince were also feuding during this time, because of the conflict with him preventing them from using The Family name for the new records.

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Of course Vanity was part of the inspiration for TBO - "paint a perfect picture.." - is the Purple Rain film, and "the beautiful ones always smash the picture.." - is Vanity leaving the film and the camp. However, the majority of the song is Prince begging this woman to choose him over the "other guy" in her life, and if he has to wait any longer for her he's going to go crazy - "don't make me lose my mind, babe..". NO WAY in hell all of that emotion and those intense lyrics were just specifically for that little scene in the film - especially considering Apollonia hadn't even been cast yet, and they hadn't begun filming. ALL of the associates around at that time have confirmed that Susannah was in a serious relationship with another guy when Prince was heavily pursuing her throughout 1983.

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Also, during the performance of the song at the Januray 21st P&M show his words to the audience are very telling, as he seems to be admitting to the long-held story, and this was a month before Vanty's unexpected passing. He said, "Some singers have the courage to tell you (pauses), and if they are male don't let them lie to you. They ALL write songs to "cop" girls." Then he began playing The Beautiful Ones.

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Prince also pulled that interview only hours after it was published online. I believe that is the ONLY instance in his life that he had done that. What that guy did was terrible and completely unethical in the world of journalism. I would be surprised if any prominent musicians would trust him to do an interview based on that stunt he pulled. I can't even believe Prince didn't toss him out on his ass when he asked to play his piano, and then had the audacity to play one of Prince's songs?? At least Prince did walk out of the room when he started playing.

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The journalist also got the information wrong about the Bob Seger story. Matt Fink had stated, in one of the Biographies, that they were following Bob Seger's show on the 1999 tour, and one night they were there watching him sing one of his big ballads and watching the audience all swaying to the song. Prince was trying to "cross over" during this time. Matt just suggested that he write a big "Bic Lighter" ballad to help with the "crossover". Matt did NOT say anything about Prince getting a Sax player like Clarence Clemmons. Completely false information.

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The saddest part of that interview is at the end when he says no one comes around anymore. I think he was extremely lonely.

Sorry, but that's dumb as hell. Prince never told Susannah the song was about her, so how did he use it to cop her?? Don't you think that would be Vanity he was talking about since Prince admitted at the P&M show that he told the woman about the song, which had to be after they had broken up? He never told any of those associates in the past that the song was about Susannah either. That's just something one of them thought up and everybody else jumped on. Susan Rogers talked about that. If you really look at it, all the associates who say the song is about Susannah don't have any real proof and are all close friends of hers and Wendy from that time period. You can't tell me there's not gonna be some bias shit going on from that...

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F*ck that, they don't get to choose who Prince's songs are about. Prince does. How do you know which part of the lyrics are for Vanity and which ones isn't? Didn't you see where Prince pointed out to the interviewer that he was singing about her loss? Look up at the lyrics the girl posted. He literally said Vanity inspired this part... "The beautiful ones you always seem to lose..." What does that tell you? He's saying he was mourning her loss from his life clear as day. The only part he talked about in connection to the movie was what he pointed out, and even your girl Susannah agrees with that shit since she admitted in the book The Making of Purple Rain, that he was writing songs to match the movie scenes.

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“I can’t say that the song was exactly our story, but he wrote it during that time,” says Susannah. “He wasn’t always specifically writing about what he was going through, because he also had to be consistent with the Purple Rain story line, but he was drawing from things that had happened in his life.

[Edited 9/7/19 23:02pm]

Prince was all over the place in that Ebony interview with regard to TBO. First, he said, "If they look at it, it’s very obvious. “Do you want him or do you want me,” that was written for that scene in Purple Rain specifically. Where Morris [Day] would be sitting with [Apollonia], and there’d be this back and forth. And also, “The beautiful ones you always seem to lose,” Vanity had just quit the movie. Then later in the interview when MML says, "I've read that TBO was based on Susannah Melvoin." Prince then replies "Any ballad like that, you know it’s not going to be about anything, uh, what’s the word? Carnal. It’s not gonna even be based in flesh. Regardless of what I’m singing about, it’s all spiritual." Of course, we know that is just him evading the subject, because he is clearly singing about/to a woman, or in the case of this song, women. He would not give a definitive answer to the very specific question. All he had to do was answer, "No, it's not about Susannah", but he did not do that.

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You conveniently left Susannah's comment "but he was drawing from things that had happened in his life." unbolded. Probably the most important piece of her statement, because we all know that Prince always drew from events and relationships in his own life.

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No one is denying that the first verses are connected to Vanity, however the rest of the song is clearly not their situation. We now know that Prince had been pursuing Susannah for almost a full year when he recorded the song. It has been long documented that she was in a serious relationship with another guy during that time. She has not specifically talked about that - probably out of respect for the guy. It would be another two months before Susannah began a relationship with Prince in MN.

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Susan Rogers was actually told by David Rivkin that TBO was about Susannah. She had just started with the camp one month earlier, so more than likely she had not even met Susannah at that time, as she was based in MN. Suannah may not have even met David yet, and she would have known Peggy M for a very short time by that point. Roy Bennett also stated how much Prince loved Susannah - "I think he really loved her. She understood him." He also said that Prince told him, "she is the only one who could make me quit music." So, it was clear to most in the camp back then that he had developed strong feelings for Susannah.

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Prince was never ever going to discuss his specific situation. No way was he going to say, "oh yeah, I really wanted to be with Susannah, but she was involved with someone else and couldn't make up her mind...". He just would not give that kind of information, and he hated when others revealed personal information about him. He wanted the mystery and also the control over what was said.

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All of this, plus factoring in what he stated at his P&M show January 2016, indicates that all in the camp were accurate with their statements.

[Edited 9/8/19 7:56am]

[Edited 9/8/19 7:59am]

violetcrush said:

MoodyBlumes said:

violetcrush said:

Prince was all over the place in that Ebony interview with regard to TBO. First, he said, "If they look at it, it’s very obvious. “Do you want him or do you want me,” that was written for that scene in Purple Rain specifically. Where Morris [Day] would be sitting with [Apollonia], and there’d be this back and forth. And also, “The beautiful ones you always seem to lose,” Vanity had just quit the movie. Then later in the interview when MML says, "I've read that TBO was based on Susannah Melvoin." Prince then replies "Any ballad like that, you know it’s not going to be about anything, uh, what’s the word? Carnal. It’s not gonna even be based in flesh. Regardless of what I’m singing about, it’s all spiritual." Of course, we know that is just him evading the subject, because he is clearly singing about/to a woman, or in the case of this song, women. He would not give a definitive answer to the very specific question. All he had to do was answer, "No, it's not about Susannah", but he did not do that.

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You conveniently left Susannah's comment "but he was drawing from things that had happened in his life." unbolded. Probably the most important piece of her statement, because we all know that Prince always drew from events and relationships in his own life.

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No one is denying that the first verses are connected to Vanity, however the rest of the song is clearly not their situation. We now know that Prince had been pursuing Susannah for almost a full year when he recorded the song. It has been long documented that she was in a serious relationship with another guy during that time. She has not specifically talked about that - probably out of respect for the guy. It would be another two months before Susannah began a relationship with Prince in MN.

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Susan Rogers was actually told by David Rivkin that TBO was about Susannah. She had just started with the camp one month earlier, so more than likely she had not even met Susannah at that time, as she was based in MN. Suannah may not have even met David yet, and she would have known Peggy M for a very short time by that point. Roy Bennett also stated how much Prince loved Susannah - "I think he really loved her. She understood him." He also said that Prince told him, "she is the only one who could make me quit music." So, it was clear to most in the camp back then that he had developed strong feelings for Susannah.

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Prince was never ever going to discuss his specific situation. No way was he going to say, "oh yeah, I really wanted to be with Susannah, but she was involved with someone else and couldn't make up her mind...". He just would not give that kind of information, and he hated when others revealed personal information about him. He wanted the mystery and also the control over what was said.

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All of this, plus factoring in what he stated at his P&M show January 2016, indicates that all in the camp were accurate with their statements.

[Edited 9/8/19 7:56am]

[Edited 9/8/19 7:59am]

I found the Ebony interview to be quite clear and insightful. Prince was a gentleman so would never say 'this song isn't about Susannah' because that would be rude. If Prince didn't want his music analyzed in that way then why wouldn't you or anyone else who claims to love Prince respect those wishes? [Edited 9/8/19 8:47am]

Nah, just not true at all. Prince usually had no trouble stating an emphatic "yes" or "no" to a question when asked. Go back and review many of his interiviews. He was clearly dodging the question with an evasive and disconnected answer - this is classic "cover up 101". As a matter of fact, there was a thread here back in 2014 I think, where either Michael Dean or Electrifying Mojo - or someone connected to "Prince media" received an anonymous statement believed to be from Prince saying "TBO was not about Wendy's Sister, in fact no song was about her..." Of course, we KNOW that is a false statement, because he declared that FIML was about her in 1997. So again, Prince was all over the place with his comments. He DID NOT like people in his camp talking about his personal relationships.

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Prince didn't want his music analyzed?? Of course he did!! He absolutely wanted fans to question, debate, and argue over his songs - why do you think he was so mysterious and also controlling over his personal affairs? Why do you think he had everybody and their brother in his camp sign NDAs?? He wanted the discussion, but did not want anyone close to him helping the fans to "connect the dots."

Why are we talking about Susannah on a Susan thread??

Another thread killer discussion??

violetcrush said:

There are several women being discussed on this thread as they relate to Prince's songs and relationships - Susan, Sheryl Crow, Vanity, and Susannah. There is only so much that can be said about Susan creating an instagram account. Moodyblumes brought the Ebony article and TBO into the mix, and just about everyone has been discussing who inspired WDC. So, organic nature of the lifecycle of a thread.

MoodyBlumes said:

violetcrush said:

Nah, just not true at all. Prince usually had no trouble stating an emphatic "yes" or "no" to a question when asked. Go back and review many of his interiviews. He was clearly dodging the question with an evasive and disconnected answer - this is classic "cover up 101". As a matter of fact, there was a thread here back in 2014 I think, where either Michael Dean or Electrifying Mojo - or someone connected to "Prince media" received an anonymous statement believed to be from Prince saying "TBO was not about Wendy's Sister, in fact no song was about her..." Of course, we KNOW that is a false statement, because he declared that FIML was about her in 1997. So again, Prince was all over the place with his comments. He DID NOT like people in his camp talking about his personal relationships.

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Prince didn't want his music analyzed?? Of course he did!! He absolutely wanted fans to question, debate, and argue over his songs - why do you think he was so mysterious and also controlling over his personal affairs? Why do you think he had everybody and their brother in his camp sign NDAs?? He wanted the discussion, but did not want anyone close to him helping the fans to "connect the dots."

Ummm... I have never worked for a company in which I haven't had to sign a NDA. Prince did not want people assigning his songs to his girlfriends, correct. So happy about the Clarence Clemons doc... Prince was right about him too.

Really??? I've had a multitude of corporate jobs, and never have had to sign an NDA. It's not that Prince didn't want people "assigning" his songs to women - he did this himself sometimes. He just wanted to be the one to control the information - how, when and/or if it gets out to the public.

violetcrush said:

violetcrush said:

icecreamcastle777 said:

Sorry, but that's dumb as hell. Prince never told Susannah the song was about her, so how did he use it to cop her?? Don't you think that would be Vanity he was talking about since Prince admitted at the P&M show that he told the woman about the song, which had to be after they had broken up? He never told any of those associates in the past that the song was about Susannah either. That's just something one of them thought up and everybody else jumped on. Susan Rogers talked about that. If you really look at it, all the associates who say the song is about Susannah don't have any real proof and are all close friends of hers and Wendy from that time period. You can't tell me there's not gonna be some bias shit going on from that...

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F*ck that, they don't get to choose who Prince's songs are about. Prince does. How do you know which part of the lyrics are for Vanity and which ones isn't? Didn't you see where Prince pointed out to the interviewer that he was singing about her loss? Look up at the lyrics the girl posted. He literally said Vanity inspired this part... "The beautiful ones you always seem to lose..." What does that tell you? He's saying he was mourning her loss from his life clear as day. The only part he talked about in connection to the movie was what he pointed out, and even your girl Susannah agrees with that shit since she admitted in the book The Making of Purple Rain, that he was writing songs to match the movie scenes.

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“I can’t say that the song was exactly our story, but he wrote it during that time,” says Susannah. “He wasn’t always specifically writing about what he was going through, because he also had to be consistent with the Purple Rain story line, but he was drawing from things that had happened in his life.

[Edited 9/7/19 23:02pm]

Prince was all over the place in that Ebony interview with regard to TBO. First, he said, "If they look at it, it’s very obvious. “Do you want him or do you want me,” that was written for that scene in Purple Rain specifically. Where Morris [Day] would be sitting with [Apollonia], and there’d be this back and forth. And also, “The beautiful ones you always seem to lose,” Vanity had just quit the movie. Then later in the interview when MML says, "I've read that TBO was based on Susannah Melvoin." Prince then replies "Any ballad like that, you know it’s not going to be about anything, uh, what’s the word? Carnal. It’s not gonna even be based in flesh. Regardless of what I’m singing about, it’s all spiritual." Of course, we know that is just him evading the subject, because he is clearly singing about/to a woman, or in the case of this song, women. He would not give a definitive answer to the very specific question. All he had to do was answer, "No, it's not about Susannah", but he did not do that.

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You conveniently left Susannah's comment "but he was drawing from things that had happened in his life." unbolded. Probably the most important piece of her statement, because we all know that Prince always drew from events and relationships in his own life.

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No one is denying that the first verses are connected to Vanity, however the rest of the song is clearly not their situation. We now know that Prince had been pursuing Susannah for almost a full year when he recorded the song. It has been long documented that she was in a serious relationship with another guy during that time. She has not specifically talked about that - probably out of respect for the guy. It would be another two months before Susannah began a relationship with Prince in MN.

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Susan Rogers was actually told by David Rivkin that TBO was about Susannah. She had just started with the camp one month earlier, so more than likely she had not even met Susannah at that time, as she was based in MN. Suannah may not have even met David yet, and she would have known Peggy M for a very short time by that point. Roy Bennett also stated how much Prince loved Susannah - "I think he really loved her. She understood him." He also said that Prince told him, "she is the only one who could make me quit music." So, it was clear to most in the camp back then that he had developed strong feelings for Susannah.

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Prince was never ever going to discuss his specific situation. No way was he going to say, "oh yeah, I really wanted to be with Susannah, but she was involved with someone else and couldn't make up her mind...". He just would not give that kind of information, and he hated when others revealed personal information about him. He wanted the mystery and also the control over what was said.

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All of this, plus factoring in what he stated at his P&M show January 2016, indicates that all in the camp were accurate with their statements.

[Edited 9/8/19 7:56am]

[Edited 9/8/19 7:59am]

MoodyBlumes said:

violetcrush said:

Really??? I've had a multitude of corporate jobs, and never have had to sign an NDA. It's not that Prince didn't want people "assigning" his songs to women - he did this himself sometimes. He just wanted to be the one to control the information - how, when and/or if it gets out to the public.

Yes, I have had to sign separate NDAs, and I've had NDAs which were incorporated into employment contracts. Standard fare for any business protecting its interests. Also pretty standard that Prince would want to control his personal information, or expect some psychic privacy. Why would Prince want you to know which lines of a song were about a particular girlfriend? [Edited 9/8/19 9:27am]

Sometimes he did want the public to know though - just on his terms, and coming directly from him. He has publicly stated the female or other type of inspiration for several songs.

violetcrush said:

icecreamcastle777 said:

violetcrush said:

Prince was all over the place in that Ebony interview with regard to TBO. First, he said, "If they look at it, it’s very obvious. “Do you want him or do you want me,” that was written for that scene in Purple Rain specifically. Where Morris [Day] would be sitting with [Apollonia], and there’d be this back and forth. And also, “The beautiful ones you always seem to lose,” Vanity had just quit the movie. Then later in the interview when MML says, "I've read that TBO was based on Susannah Melvoin." Prince then replies "Any ballad like that, you know it’s not going to be about anything, uh, what’s the word? Carnal. It’s not gonna even be based in flesh. Regardless of what I’m singing about, it’s all spiritual." Of course, we know that is just him evading the subject, because he is clearly singing about/to a woman, or in the case of this song, women. He would not give a definitive answer to the very specific question. All he had to do was answer, "No, it's not about Susannah", but he did not do that.

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You conveniently left Susannah's comment "but he was drawing from things that had happened in his life." unbolded. Probably the most important piece of her statement, because we all know that Prince always drew from events and relationships in his own life.

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No one is denying that the first verses are connected to Vanity, however the rest of the song is clearly not their situation. We now know that Prince had been pursuing Susannah for almost a full year when he recorded the song. It has been long documented that she was in a serious relationship with another guy during that time. She has not specifically talked about that - probably out of respect for the guy. It would be another two months before Susannah began a relationship with Prince in MN.

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Susan Rogers was actually told by David Rivkin that TBO was about Susannah. She had just started with the camp one month earlier, so more than likely she had not even met Susannah at that time, as she was based in MN. Suannah may not have even met David yet, and she would have known Peggy M for a very short time by that point. Roy Bennett also stated how much Prince loved Susannah - "I think he really loved her. She understood him." He also said that Prince told him, "she is the only one who could make me quit music." So, it was clear to most in the camp back then that he had developed strong feelings for Susannah.

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Prince was never ever going to discuss his specific situation. No way was he going to say, "oh yeah, I really wanted to be with Susannah, but she was involved with someone else and couldn't make up her mind...". He just would not give that kind of information, and he hated when others revealed personal information about him. He wanted the mystery and also the control over what was said.

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All of this, plus factoring in what he stated at his P&M show January 2016, indicates that all in the camp were accurate with their statements.

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Why do I need to bold where she said he was drawing from things that had happened in his life? The girl never said OUR lives, she said he was drawing from things that happened in HIS life... Not OUR lives. The man had a had a wide-ranging life apart from Susannah... Vanity had just left him so he drew from that to write the song and added some lines to match the movie. That's what he pointed out to everyone. That's pretty much what Susannah was explaining without even fully knowing the meat of her statement - that he was drawing from Vanity leaving and writing for a scene too. Whatever emotions he sang with during the song was his feelings coming through based on the situation with Vanity. That's why they call it a muse girl.

Susannah WAS IN HIS LIFE then - in a very major way. HE WAS STAYING AT HER HOUSE. How much more "in his life" can she get??

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You keep ignoring the fact that Prince pointed out several reasons for the inspiration of TBO in that Ebony article. NOT just one. When he was SPECIFICALLY asked about Susannah he completely evaded the direct response and gave two COMPLETELY different answers for the "do you want him, or do you want me?" lyric.

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Are you kidding??? The main emotion of the song is NOT Prince singing "the beautiful ones always smash the picture". His intesity and emotion are all thrown into the rest of the song which is him begging the girl to choose him. These are the emotional lyrics:

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violetcrush said:

violetcrush said:

There are several women being discussed on this thread as they relate to Prince's songs and relationships - Susan, Sheryl Crow, Vanity, and Susannah. There is only so much that can be said about Susan creating an instagram account. Moodyblumes brought the Ebony article and TBO into the mix, and just about everyone has been discussing who inspired WDC. So, organic nature of the lifecycle of a thread.

Just a few posts about others, not PAGES of talk about Susannah.

It is not the organic lifecyle of a thread.

MoodyBlumes said:

violetcrush said:

Susannah WAS IN HIS LIFE then - in a very major way. HE WAS STAYING AT HER HOUSE. How much more "in his life" can she get??

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You keep ignoring the fact that Prince pointed out several reasons for the inspiration of TBO in that Ebony article. NOT just one. When he was SPECIFICALLY asked about Susannah he completely evaded the direct response and gave two COMPLETELY different answers for the "do you want him, or do you want me?" lyric.

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Are you kidding??? The main emotion of the song is NOT Prince singing "the beautiful ones always smash the picture". His intesity and emotion are all thrown into the rest of the song which is him begging the girl to choose him. These are the emotional lyrics:

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Baby, baby
Baby, baby
Baby, baby
Baby
What's it gonna be baby?

Do you want him?
Or do you want me?
Cause I want you
Said I want you
Tell me, babe
Do you want me?
I gotta know, I gotta know
Do you want me?
Baby, baby, baby
Listen to me
I may not know where I'm going (babe)
I said I may not know what I need
One thing, one thing's for certain baby
I know what I want, yeah
And if it please you baby
Please you, baby
I'm begging down on my knees
I want you
Yes I do
Baby, baby, baby, baby
I want you

^^^^^ THAT is the emotional inspiration for this song and his muse at that time was Susannah.

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No actually Purple Rain was very much about Vanity. She was to co-star in the film. Imagine that Prince risked the wrath of his band and put her on the cover of Rolling Stone with him instead of them. But Vanity was a strong soul and left Prince because he couldn't be with only one woman. Even with Susannah, Prince was not monogamous. But Vanity always loved Prince, called him the love of her life, and Prince kept touch with her over the years. Beautiful lady. [Edited 9/8/19 10:03am]

The Purple Rain film was Prince's idea and creation. Vanity stated she helped with some of the dialogue in the early stages, however, the script was completely re-written with only a portion of any original dialogue. The film was much more than just Prince and Vanity's relationship. It was his family dynamic, his competition with his friends' bands, and also a troubled relationship. It was Prince and his music more than anything else.

Prince putting Vanity on the cover of that Rolling Stone magazine was an absolute marketing strategy. There were many in the media questioning is sexuality at that time, and he was trying to cross over to the Top 40 Rock/Pop audience. He was also promoting Vanity 6 at that time. Completely understandable that he would have her on the cover with him, as she was tied to the music and the 1999 tour at that time. Prince also posed with Wendy and Lisa on the cover of RS in 1986 - again, promoting his music and the Parade tour. Don't kid yourself - Prince always had a business agenda when marketing himself to the media - in terms of what would get him the most attention.

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Yes, Vanity very much loved Prince and she was beautiful. Prince loved her, but I do not think she was the "love of his life". They had a very tumultuous relationship, and much of it was physical attraction (listen to Wonderful Ass). Yes, he was not monogamous with any of his serious relationships, including his marriages, alledgedly. However, if you look at the songs for Susannah you can see they were on a deeper emotional level. Susannah was also in Prince's life until the end. She has discussed continuing to see him intimately for years after she left MN, and has discussed him reaching out to her in the 90's, as well as, just a couple of weeks before he passed. He wanted to record with her again. In an interview Vanity did in 2012 to promote the re-issue of her book she stated the last time she spoke with Prince )over the phone) was in 2009.

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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

violetcrush said:

icecreamcastle777 said:

Why do I need to bold where she said he was drawing from things that had happened in his life? The girl never said OUR lives, she said he was drawing from things that happened in HIS life... Not OUR lives. The man had a had a wide-ranging life apart from Susannah... Vanity had just left him so he drew from that to write the song and added some lines to match the movie. That's what he pointed out to everyone. That's pretty much what Susannah was explaining without even fully knowing the meat of her statement - that he was drawing from Vanity leaving and writing for a scene too. Whatever emotions he sang with during the song was his feelings coming through based on the situation with Vanity. That's why they call it a muse girl.

Susannah WAS IN HIS LIFE then - in a very major way. HE WAS STAYING AT HER HOUSE. How much more "in his life" can she get??

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You keep ignoring the fact that Prince pointed out several reasons for the inspiration of TBO in that Ebony article. NOT just one. When he was SPECIFICALLY asked about Susannah he completely evaded the direct response and gave two COMPLETELY different answers for the "do you want him, or do you want me?" lyric.

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Are you kidding??? The main emotion of the song is NOT Prince singing "the beautiful ones always smash the picture". His intesity and emotion are all thrown into the rest of the song which is him begging the girl to choose him. These are the emotional lyrics:

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Baby, baby
Baby, baby
Baby, baby
Baby
What's it gonna be baby?

Do you want him?
Or do you want me?
Cause I want you
Said I want you
Tell me, babe
Do you want me?
I gotta know, I gotta know
Do you want me?
Baby, baby, baby
Listen to me
I may not know where I'm going (babe)
I said I may not know what I need
One thing, one thing's for certain baby
I know what I want, yeah
And if it please you baby
Please you, baby
I'm begging down on my knees
I want you
Yes I do
Baby, baby, baby, baby
I want you

^^^^^ THAT is the emotional inspiration for this song and his muse at that time was Susannah.

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MoodyBlumes said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Just a few posts about others, not PAGES of talk about Susannah.

It is not the organic lifecyle of a thread.

I have to say that posting like this would normally make me wonder if it was Susannah herself... Fortunately I have read/heard her enough to feel this isn't the case. My own feeling is that God was hugely inspirational to Prince's music. Matt Fink even shared Prince would have everyone do a non-denominational group prayer before performances. Prince was always so spiritual and deep, why I love his music so much.

And are you a relative of Vanity's?? Such a double standard here. You continue to respond and debate me on the sub-topic that you started on this thread.