Deadflow3r said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

He's not saying Jill was not adorable.

Jill said Prince told her she had no charisma and should dye her hair and get a boob job.

I think after she gave up promoting the album after that Jodi Whatley show, Prince cooled toward her.


Vanity could not sing as good as Jill, but she OWNED that front position. So did Susan and Brenda

my comment is meant to mean that Prince didn't need to suggest a hair and boob make-over ( if infact he had. Given that both of his wives were very small breasted while Married to him, and Vanity was small busted I just do not think that breasts meant that much to him. He was not Kid Rock.)

Yeah I think Prince was being nasty. Saying since he didn't think she had charisma to get bigger breasts(something women do to get attention).

coldcoffeeandcocacola said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

how? I'm not saying she isn't. All of the proteges from the 80s are the best.

But how is she his best protege by a country mile over Sheila E or the Time? even Madhouse or Vanity 6?

I mean each were unique and expressed a different side of Uptown.

and they did it wonderfully

Jill has the best singing voice and is the most unique. She’s really distinctive and I feel like he knew she could show up the others with that. Yes vanity was sexy and a star and all the other protégées too - but Jill as well as being gorgeous was also unique in both look and sound and I think too strong of a character for him to deal with - as all his girls seemed to be less fiery and more likely to do as told from what I have read anyway or course I was not there just a little girl at that time! That’s my opinion anyway. Violet blue is my all time favourite song and a close second is a new one of hers, f*** you til you’re groovy. I just really love her sound.

Idk When I deal with proteges, I'm talking of Men and women.
I don't think she isn't distinct, she is, but so were the others in various ways.
How could we really compare Jills distiction to Sheila E's who play just about every type of percussion, a great dance, nice voice and plays bass guitar too
Brenda Bennet had a distinct voice that Prince wanted to continue to work with her after A6 and she playes guiter too, Vanity wasn't just sexy, she was very charismatic, very confident, and had a unique way of thinking and seeing the world that translated, Susannah was a great singer, trained operetic, good dancer and an artist. But what about St Paul Peterson, Eric 'Madhouse' Leeds, Mazarati, Morris Day, Jesse Johnson, Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis, Monte Moore & Jellybean, if you look into their portfolio that is some serious skill and talent. Look up the writers of songs like Black Cat(Janet) Candy Perfume Girl(Madonna) etc

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Jill in a lot of ways was very complacent when it came to Prince, I never thought of her as being 'fiery' when in Princes camp. She accepted Vanity and other women as being Prince's leading lady. She knew Prince was having sex with others. Like when she talked about recording the song Vibrator, she did her part in the studio then Vanity went in and Jill made a cup of tea, while listening to Prince 'allegedly' use a vibrator on Vanity. Vanity was very fiery. It was Jill that allowed a lot to happen to her that made her very angry in later years. She did as she was told to, even filming Graffiti Bridge after she saw again her role in the movie deminished. By 1989 she knew Prince had no serious romantic intentions toward her, and if it was pre filming GB when he told her she had no charisma and should get a boob job -she still filmed GB with Prince, that how is that not 'doing as she was told' "Speak English and act right or here is your replacement" -Prince and she fell in line.

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But that isn't in any way a slight toward Jill. Not at all. You probably should look into the talent of the other proteges too. That time was great for a reason. They all could more than handle their own.

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Have you read any pre 2016 interviews by Jill?

Shockadelica9 said:

jill posted this yesterday regaring her album

Jill Jones

April 6 at 4:12 PM ·

Every time someone posts a pic or an old video of my Paisley album it’s very bittersweet for me.
On one hand I am so appreciative and have so much gratitude for those that recognize my work however, there is a very dark side associated in my life with this album release particularly what transpired afterwards. Sometimes, not all of the time, that old wound gets resurrected. Nevertheless I will plow through those feelings like I always do. I thank u though. One day I will explain. I owe it to you and especially owe it to myself.
And to also be unable and not allowed to sell or give away a t shirt of the cover OR to post any of the music, it’s like I am really not a part of it at all. TBH Paisley Park became no different than any other record label.
And if it had not been for the power and respect of two GOATS; Jean Baptiste Mondino and Azzedine Alaia no one would have ever heard of this project. 🙏🏼

She raises a point there: Prince ran away with a lot of other people's masters, and IDK if anyone ever tried to get theirs back from him. And Prince blocking Jill from recording from 1989 tiill her contract ended was meaner than anything WB ever did to him during the WB Wars.

On the other hand when it comes to Jill's album, I think Prince considered it to be his album, and with much love and respect for Jill and her work on that album, I'd agree with him: he was the lead creative force behind the record.

I hope Jill shares her stories and elaborates on why those years are painful to remember for her, though, and I'm truly sorry to hear that she went through such hard times when she was in P's camp. Jill is cool.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Mikado said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Idk When I deal with proteges, I'm talking of Men and women.
I don't think she isn't distinct, she is, but so were the others in various ways.
How could we really compare Jills distiction to Sheila E's who play just about every type of percussion, a great dance, nice voice and plays bass guitar too
Brenda Bennet had a distinct voice that Prince wanted to continue to work with her after A6 and she playes guiter too, Vanity wasn't just sexy, she was very charismatic, very confident, and had a unique way of thinking and seeing the world that translated, Susannah was a great singer, trained operetic, good dancer and an artist. But what about St Paul Peterson, Eric 'Madhouse' Leeds, Mazarati, Morris Day, Jesse Johnson, Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis, Monte Moore & Jellybean, if you look into their portfolio that is some serious skill and talent. Look up the writers of songs like Black Cat(Janet) Candy Perfume Girl(Madonna) etc

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Jill in a lot of ways was very complacent when it came to Prince, I never thought of her as being 'fiery' when in Princes camp. She accepted Vanity and other women as being Prince's leading lady. She knew Prince was having sex with others. Like when she talked about recording the song Vibrator, she did her part in the studio then Vanity went in and Jill made a cup of tea, while listening to Prince 'allegedly' use a vibrator on Vanity. Vanity was very fiery. It was Jill that allowed a lot to happen to her that made her very angry in later years. She did as she was told to, even filming Graffiti Bridge after she saw again her role in the movie deminished. By 1989 she knew Prince had no serious romantic intentions toward her, and if it was pre filming GB when he told her she had no charisma and should get a boob job -she still filmed GB with Prince, that how is that not 'doing as she was told' "Speak English and act right or here is your replacement" -Prince and she fell in line.

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But that isn't in any way a slight toward Jill. Not at all. You probably should look into the talent of the other proteges too. That time was great for a reason. They all could more than handle their own.

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Have you read any pre 2016 interviews by Jill?

Woah. Is that in a book or something?

That bolded text came from Duane Tudahl's book. Jill was talking about that time period, which I believe was Spring of '83. She stated that it was just before rehearsals for PR and a couple of months prior to Vanity leaving the camp. She said they were all getting along during that time.

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Have you read Jill's 2013 interview about Prince? Here's a link to it in case you haven't seen it:

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http://beautifulnightschitown.blogspot.com/2013/02/the-question-of-u-jill-jones-talks-2.html

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Check out one of the comments below the article by the user name "Fire & Ice" - interestingly, that profile was created in 2013 but not updated since January 2016. Read the profile info too. Had to be Prince, or someone pretending to be him

violetcrush said:

Mikado said:

OldFriends4Sale said: Woah. Is that in a book or something?

That bolded text came from Duane Tudahl's book. Jill was talking about that time period, which I believe was Spring of '83. She stated that it was just before rehearsals for PR and a couple of months prior to Vanity leaving the camp. She said they were all getting along during that time.

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Have you read Jill's 2013 interview about Prince? Here's a link to it in case you haven't seen it:

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http://beautifulnightschitown.blogspot.com/2013/02/the-question-of-u-jill-jones-talks-2.html

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Check out one of the comments below the article by the user name "Fire & Ice" - interestingly, that profile was created in 2013 but not updated since January 2016. Read the profile info too. Had to be Prince, or someone pretending to be him

There is NO WAY IN THE WORLD this Blogger user is Prince. It's definitely some obsessive, fucked up "I alone in this world understand Prince" fan, we've seen some of those pop-up on the org every once in a while.

OldFriends4Sale said:

coldcoffeeandcocacola said:

OldFriends4Sale said: Jill has the best singing voice and is the most unique. She’s really distinctive and I feel like he knew she could show up the others with that. Yes vanity was sexy and a star and all the other protégées too - but Jill as well as being gorgeous was also unique in both look and sound and I think too strong of a character for him to deal with - as all his girls seemed to be less fiery and more likely to do as told from what I have read anyway or course I was not there just a little girl at that time! That’s my opinion anyway. Violet blue is my all time favourite song and a close second is a new one of hers, f*** you til you’re groovy. I just really love her sound.

Idk When I deal with proteges, I'm talking of Men and women.
I don't think she isn't distinct, she is, but so were the others in various ways.
How could we really compare Jills distiction to Sheila E's who play just about every type of percussion, a great dance, nice voice and plays bass guitar too
Brenda Bennet had a distinct voice that Prince wanted to continue to work with her after A6 and she playes guiter too, Vanity wasn't just sexy, she was very charismatic, very confident, and had a unique way of thinking and seeing the world that translated, Susannah was a great singer, trained operetic, good dancer and an artist. But what about St Paul Peterson, Eric 'Madhouse' Leeds, Mazarati, Morris Day, Jesse Johnson, Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis, Monte Moore & Jellybean, if you look into their portfolio that is some serious skill and talent. Look up the writers of songs like Black Cat(Janet) Candy Perfume Girl(Madonna) etc

.

Jill in a lot of ways was very complacent when it came to Prince, I never thought of her as being 'fiery' when in Princes camp. She accepted Vanity and other women as being Prince's leading lady. She knew Prince was having sex with others. Like when she talked about recording the song Vibrator, she did her part in the studio then Vanity went in and Jill made a cup of tea, while listening to Prince 'allegedly' use a vibrator on Vanity. Vanity was very fiery. It was Jill that allowed a lot to happen to her that made her very angry in later years. She did as she was told to, even filming Graffiti Bridge after she saw again her role in the movie deminished. By 1989 she knew Prince had no serious romantic intentions toward her, and if it was pre filming GB when he told her she had no charisma and should get a boob job -she still filmed GB with Prince, that how is that not 'doing as she was told' "Speak English and act right or here is your replacement" -Prince and she fell in line.

.

But that isn't in any way a slight toward Jill. Not at all. You probably should look into the talent of the other proteges too. That time was great for a reason. They all could more than handle their own.

.

Have you read any pre 2016 interviews by Jill?

Agree with all of your thoughts here. Jill has a decent voice, but not much more to offer, in my opinion. I think Prince was smart enough to know that. I think he cared for her as a "friend with benefits", and appreciated her devotion to him, but gettnig a project done with her was probably never his priority. He clearly had made plans for Sheila's first album well before it was recorded, as Sheila has stated that he was sending her flowers and trying to persuade her to join the camp while she was doing the Lionel Ritchie tour in 1983. Prince was such a slick operator, and he had so many plans that most associates weren't even aware of prior to them happening.

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I think the bolded comment above is questionable though. She HAD to know well before 1989 that Prince had no serious romantic intentions toward her. I think that hit her when Susannah arrived in MN, which would explain her animosity toward her. She is clearly still bitter about that based on her recent shady comments about Prince telling her he "had to get engaged for business reasons". That is just ridiculous. Even if he in fact did make that comment to her I'm not sure how anyone could really believe that to be true.

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She's definitely bitter, and understandably so - I would be too, but she made the choice to hang around for ten years. I think Prince wanted her as a backup singer when he needed her, and kept her around by dangling the "solo project" carrot in front of her.

databank said:

violetcrush said:

That bolded text came from Duane Tudahl's book. Jill was talking about that time period, which I believe was Spring of '83. She stated that it was just before rehearsals for PR and a couple of months prior to Vanity leaving the camp. She said they were all getting along during that time.

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Have you read Jill's 2013 interview about Prince? Here's a link to it in case you haven't seen it:

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http://beautifulnightschitown.blogspot.com/2013/02/the-question-of-u-jill-jones-talks-2.html

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Check out one of the comments below the article by the user name "Fire & Ice" - interestingly, that profile was created in 2013 but not updated since January 2016. Read the profile info too. Had to be Prince, or someone pretending to be him

There is NO WAY IN THE WORLD this Blogger user is Prince. It's definitely some obsessive, fucked up "I alone in this world understand Prince" fan, we've seen some of those pop-up on the org every once in a while.

You know, i'd say it was actually Prince. We can't say for sure and it could easily have been one of those who imitated him but hmmm, something about the sentence construction convinces me. It'd be just like him to respond in that way as well, the same way he used to slide into the DM's of any pretty soul singer on twitter who turned his head.

[Edited 4/9/19 5:34am]

OldFriends4Sale said:

violetcrush said:

How did this woman NOT know that she was most likely nothing more than a "side piece" for Prince?? How do you fall in love with a guy who's never around? I just don't understand how you can't figure that out....

I think she understood it. Which is why she removed herself from Prince sexually and got married a few years later.

I guess it can be easy to believe the the words while under Prince's spell. He clearly said things that under the right circumstances being a star as he was could enchant her for a while. As she said it was only like 6 months. She broke through the digital haze.

Yes, no doubt he was romanticizing the situation when he was with her, but I guess to me, if I have a guy who's only calling me at certain times for a "quickie" rendezvous, and then he's off and running, I feel like the writing's on the wall, no matter what's coming out of his mouth. I guess that's easy to say when not in the situation.

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Who knows....she is claiming the song Bedtime Story was written about her, so to me that sums up the situation from Prince's perspective

jaawwnn said:

databank said:

There is NO WAY IN THE WORLD this Blogger user is Prince. It's definitely some obsessive, fucked up "I alone in this world understand Prince" fan, we've seen some of those pop-up on the org every once in a while.

You know, i'd say it was actually Prince. We can't say for sure and it could easily have been one of those who imitated him but hmmm, something about the sentence construction convinces me. It'd be just like him to respond in that way as well, the same way he used to slide into the DM's of any pretty soul singer on twitter who turned his head.

[Edited 4/9/19 5:34am]

Yep, fans need to stop kidding themselves. Prince was ALL over the internet reading EVERYTHING, regardless of the iimpression he gave publicly. Per the investigation docs, prince.org was one of the sites found on the activity log of his PC. His associates stated that he would check the site to get fan reactions about his shows and/or releases. The author of the Beautiful Nights site also stated that she was told by someone in his inner circle that he had read one of the interviews - although, I would bet he read them all.

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Jill was the only one who seemed to really slam him, and I think it's absolutely in character for him to anonymously respond to that. I definitely think it was him. The profile information and the way he responded is typical of his style.

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During the time that Alan Light's book (about the making of Purple Rain) was published (2014 I believe) - which was the 30 yr anniversary for PR, Prince had written an anonymous post on one of the sites - maybe Dr Funkenberry?? - stating that "the Beautiful Ones was not about Wendy's sister, in fact no song was about her..." or something to that effect. He was fighting with fDeluxe and Susannah about using The Family name, and it seems he was pissed about the members of The Revolution contributing their stories to that book.

databank said:

violetcrush said:

That bolded text came from Duane Tudahl's book. Jill was talking about that time period, which I believe was Spring of '83. She stated that it was just before rehearsals for PR and a couple of months prior to Vanity leaving the camp. She said they were all getting along during that time.

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Have you read Jill's 2013 interview about Prince? Here's a link to it in case you haven't seen it:

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http://beautifulnightschitown.blogspot.com/2013/02/the-question-of-u-jill-jones-talks-2.html

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Check out one of the comments below the article by the user name "Fire & Ice" - interestingly, that profile was created in 2013 but not updated since January 2016. Read the profile info too. Had to be Prince, or someone pretending to be him

There is NO WAY IN THE WORLD this Blogger user is Prince. It's definitely some obsessive, fucked up "I alone in this world understand Prince" fan, we've seen some of those pop-up on the org every once in a while.

I thought "obessive fan" at first too. Then I read it a few more times. I also read the author's statement that she had been told he read one of her interviews (probably all of them though), and thought about another "anonymous" comment made on a Prince site in 2014, as well as, confirmation that prince.org was on his recent activity log on his PC.

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Prince always maintained that tough "I don't care what anyone says" public image, but I think he cared a lot - especially about what those in his inner circle said about him.

violetcrush said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I think she understood it. Which is why she removed herself from Prince sexually and got married a few years later.

I guess it can be easy to believe the the words while under Prince's spell. He clearly said things that under the right circumstances being a star as he was could enchant her for a while. As she said it was only like 6 months. She broke through the digital haze.

Yes, no doubt he was romanticizing the situation when he was with her, but I guess to me, if I have a guy who's only calling me at certain times for a "quickie" rendezvous, and then he's off and running, I feel like the writing's on the wall, no matter what's coming out of his mouth. I guess that's easy to say when not in the situation.

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Who knows....she is claiming the song Bedtime Story was written about her, so to me that sums up the situation from Prince's perspective

LOL yeah it happens. I saw a comedy piece by Jamie Foxx, how he met Prince and he said to the audience don't look into his eyes, how he became a little gay that day lol

I guess with the way she fell into him and quickly out if it, infatuated is the better word instead of love

databank said:

Shockadelica9 said:

jill posted this yesterday regaring her album

Jill Jones

April 6 at 4:12 PM ·

Every time someone posts a pic or an old video of my Paisley album it’s very bittersweet for me.
On one hand I am so appreciative and have so much gratitude for those that recognize my work however, there is a very dark side associated in my life with this album release particularly what transpired afterwards. Sometimes, not all of the time, that old wound gets resurrected. Nevertheless I will plow through those feelings like I always do. I thank u though. One day I will explain. I owe it to you and especially owe it to myself.
And to also be unable and not allowed to sell or give away a t shirt of the cover OR to post any of the music, it’s like I am really not a part of it at all. TBH Paisley Park became no different than any other record label.
And if it had not been for the power and respect of two GOATS; Jean Baptiste Mondino and Azzedine Alaia no one would have ever heard of this project. 🙏🏼

She raises a point there: Prince ran away with a lot of other people's masters, and IDK if anyone ever tried to get theirs back from him. And Prince blocking Jill from recording from 1989 tiill her contract ended was meaner than anything WB ever did to him during the WB Wars.

On the other hand when it comes to Jill's album, I think Prince considered it to be his album, and with much love and respect for Jill and her work on that album, I'd agree with him: he was the lead creative force behind the record.

I hope Jill shares her stories and elaborates on why those years are painful to remember for her, though, and I'm truly sorry to hear that she went through such hard times when she was in P's camp. Jill is cool.

Yes, very complex situation. They were Prince's songs, but her voice and persona. One could make the argument that without his music there would have been no album. No doubt that was Prince's mindset. So, she was dealing with a double whammy - the owner of the record label was also the creator of the music. Add that to a guy who always wanted to control everything, as well as, profit the most from the work, and it's a recipe for disaster.

violetcrush said:

violetcrush said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Idk When I deal with proteges, I'm talking of Men and women.
I don't think she isn't distinct, she is, but so were the others in various ways.
How could we really compare Jills distiction to Sheila E's who play just about every type of percussion, a great dance, nice voice and plays bass guitar too
Brenda Bennet had a distinct voice that Prince wanted to continue to work with her after A6 and she playes guiter too, Vanity wasn't just sexy, she was very charismatic, very confident, and had a unique way of thinking and seeing the world that translated, Susannah was a great singer, trained operetic, good dancer and an artist. But what about St Paul Peterson, Eric 'Madhouse' Leeds, Mazarati, Morris Day, Jesse Johnson, Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis, Monte Moore & Jellybean, if you look into their portfolio that is some serious skill and talent. Look up the writers of songs like Black Cat(Janet) Candy Perfume Girl(Madonna) etc

.

Jill in a lot of ways was very complacent when it came to Prince, I never thought of her as being 'fiery' when in Princes camp. She accepted Vanity and other women as being Prince's leading lady. She knew Prince was having sex with others. Like when she talked about recording the song Vibrator, she did her part in the studio then Vanity went in and Jill made a cup of tea, while listening to Prince 'allegedly' use a vibrator on Vanity. Vanity was very fiery. It was Jill that allowed a lot to happen to her that made her very angry in later years. She did as she was told to, even filming Graffiti Bridge after she saw again her role in the movie deminished. By 1989 she knew Prince had no serious romantic intentions toward her, and if it was pre filming GB when he told her she had no charisma and should get a boob job -she still filmed GB with Prince, that how is that not 'doing as she was told' "Speak English and act right or here is your replacement" -Prince and she fell in line.

.

But that isn't in any way a slight toward Jill. Not at all. You probably should look into the talent of the other proteges too. That time was great for a reason. They all could more than handle their own.

.

Have you read any pre 2016 interviews by Jill?

Agree with all of your thoughts here. Jill has a decent voice, but not much more to offer, in my opinion. I think Prince was smart enough to know that. I think he cared for her as a "friend with benefits", and appreciated her devotion to him, but gettnig a project done with her was probably never his priority. He clearly had made plans for Sheila's first album well before it was recorded, as Sheila has stated that he was sending her flowers and trying to persuade her to join the camp while she was doing the Lionel Ritchie tour in 1983. Prince was such a slick operator, and he had so many plans that most associates weren't even aware of prior to them happening.

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I think the bolded comment above is questionable though. She HAD to know well before 1989 that Prince had no serious romantic intentions toward her. I think that hit her when Susannah arrived in MN, which would explain her animosity toward her. She is clearly still bitter about that based on her recent shady comments about Prince telling her he "had to get engaged for business reasons". That is just ridiculous. Even if he in fact did make that comment to her I'm not sure how anyone could really believe that to be true.

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She's definitely bitter, and understandably so - I would be too, but she made the choice to hang around for ten years. I think Prince wanted her as a backup singer when he needed her, and kept her around by dangling the "solo project" carrot in front of her.

I think Jill had more that she could offer. But maybe Prince didn't know how to market her. I think she could have been a thematic performer, like a 1940s starlette meets 1999 Prince I think Jill who helped wording on the Wonder Ass wording comparison lines and G-Spot F is for Frustration etc I think she had more to offer, But Prince was really rush rush. The Time was spelled out(the vision) the Hooker/Vanity 6 was spelled out(the vision) the Sheila E vision was not AS clear but it was made plain when listening to the music, Madhouse was clear with so much potential, the Family was clear but not as defined yet. Mazarati sorta clear, the look just was confusing.

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No it's not questionable, I was basically saying, by 1989 after all that was said and done it was CLEAR that he had no romantic intentions.

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I think Prince missed out on a good opportunity to flesh out the 'Jill Jones' protege in that 1983-1985 period. She was 'Lady Cab Driver' and her role in the 1999 tour/vids easily gave a foundation for how to cast year. A woman on the move, in transit (almost like her Mia Bocca video) a Vixen of unrequited love, <- that causes people to be in flux, gotta keep moving etc

OldFriends4Sale said:

violetcrush said:

Yes, no doubt he was romanticizing the situation when he was with her, but I guess to me, if I have a guy who's only calling me at certain times for a "quickie" rendezvous, and then he's off and running, I feel like the writing's on the wall, no matter what's coming out of his mouth. I guess that's easy to say when not in the situation.

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Who knows....she is claiming the song Bedtime Story was written about her, so to me that sums up the situation from Prince's perspective

LOL yeah it happens. I saw a comedy piece by Jamie Foxx, how he met Prince and he said to the audience don't look into his eyes, how he became a little gay that day lol

I guess with the way she fell into him and quickly out if it, infatuated is the better word instead of love

Yes, I saw Jamie's bit about first meeting Prince - very funny!! Then he played Prince during a skit on In Living Color about his cut-out pants at the MTV music awards in 1991

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Wendy also stated she was initially "smitten" when she first saw him during the video shoot for Sexuality in 1981. So, he definitely had that seductive power!

Mikado said:

violetcrush said:

That bolded text came from Duane Tudahl's book. Jill was talking about that time period, which I believe was Spring of '83. She stated that it was just before rehearsals for PR and a couple of months prior to Vanity leaving the camp. She said they were all getting along during that time.

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Have you read Jill's 2013 interview about Prince? Here's a link to it in case you haven't seen it:

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http://beautifulnightschitown.blogspot.com/2013/02/the-question-of-u-jill-jones-talks-2.html

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Check out one of the comments below the article by the user name "Fire & Ice" - interestingly, that profile was created in 2013 but not updated since January 2016. Read the profile info too. Had to be Prince, or someone pretending to be him

Thanks for that, I appreciate it. And if that was Prince, which it probably was, he must have been coming down from the 'Opis when he wrote it. [Edited 4/9/19 6:24am]

You're welcome!!

OldFriends4Sale said:

violetcrush said:

Agree with all of your thoughts here. Jill has a decent voice, but not much more to offer, in my opinion. I think Prince was smart enough to know that. I think he cared for her as a "friend with benefits", and appreciated her devotion to him, but gettnig a project done with her was probably never his priority. He clearly had made plans for Sheila's first album well before it was recorded, as Sheila has stated that he was sending her flowers and trying to persuade her to join the camp while she was doing the Lionel Ritchie tour in 1983. Prince was such a slick operator, and he had so many plans that most associates weren't even aware of prior to them happening.

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I think the bolded comment above is questionable though. She HAD to know well before 1989 that Prince had no serious romantic intentions toward her. I think that hit her when Susannah arrived in MN, which would explain her animosity toward her. She is clearly still bitter about that based on her recent shady comments about Prince telling her he "had to get engaged for business reasons". That is just ridiculous. Even if he in fact did make that comment to her I'm not sure how anyone could really believe that to be true.

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She's definitely bitter, and understandably so - I would be too, but she made the choice to hang around for ten years. I think Prince wanted her as a backup singer when he needed her, and kept her around by dangling the "solo project" carrot in front of her.

I think Jill had more that she could offer. But maybe Prince didn't know how to market her. I think she could have been a thematic performer, like a 1940s starlette meets 1999 Prince I think Jill who helped wording on the Wonder Ass wording comparison lines and G-Spot F is for Frustration etc I think she had more to offer, But Prince was really rush rush. The Time was spelled out(the vision) the Hooker/Vanity 6 was spelled out(the vision) the Sheila E vision was not AS clear but it was made plain when listening to the music, Madhouse was clear with so much potential, the Family was clear but not as defined yet. Mazarati sorta clear, the look just was confusing.

.

No it's not questionable, I was basically saying, by 1989 after all that was said and done it was CLEAR that he had no romantic intentions.

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I think Prince missed out on a good opportunity to flesh out the 'Jill Jones' protege in that 1983-1985 period. She was 'Lady Cab Driver' and her role in the 1999 tour/vids easily gave a foundation for how to cast year. A woman on the move, in transit (almost like her Mia Bocca video) a Vixen of unrequited love, <- that causes people to be in flux, gotta keep moving etc

I guess I can see him not knowing how to market her. Yes, he had her doing the whole "vixen" thing during the 1999 tour, but then he shifted her persona to the sweet and troubled girl in Purple Rain. Originally she had a bigger role in the film and her character was going to be a sad and troubled girl - they had filmed a full scene of her sitting at the piano with Prince singing the song Wednesday. So, that would have changed her "character" again.

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Who knows, but it just seems he didn't take her project very seriously.

violetcrush said:

jaawwnn said:

Shockadelica9 said:

violetcrush said:

Agree with all of your thoughts here. Jill has a decent voice, but not much more to offer, in my opinion. I think Prince was smart enough to know that. I think he cared for her as a "friend with benefits", and appreciated her devotion to him, but gettnig a project done with her was probably never his priority. He clearly had made plans for Sheila's first album well before it was recorded, as Sheila has stated that he was sending her flowers and trying to persuade her to join the camp while she was doing the Lionel Ritchie tour in 1983. Prince was such a slick operator, and he had so many plans that most associates weren't even aware of prior to them happening.

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I think the bolded comment above is questionable though. She HAD to know well before 1989 that Prince had no serious romantic intentions toward her. I think that hit her when Susannah arrived in MN, which would explain her animosity toward her. She is clearly still bitter about that based on her recent shady comments about Prince telling her he "had to get engaged for business reasons". That is just ridiculous. Even if he in fact did make that comment to her I'm not sure how anyone could really believe that to be true.

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She's definitely bitter, and understandably so - I would be too, but she made the choice to hang around for ten years. I think Prince wanted her as a backup singer when he needed her, and kept her around by dangling the "solo project" carrot in front of her.

Prince was pretty much done with the eary 80s lovers he had a new harem now Robin power Anna fantastic Kim basinger Troy beyer

I think the new 'harem' wasn't so dedicated

It's hard for me to see Kim and Troy in the same light as Anna Fantastic and Robin.

He was friends with Troy in the 80s but they became lovers in the early 90s for a short period.

Neither were really in his camp like Robin and Anna

I still wish he focused on Robin and Anna a bit more for that Nude/GB era

jaawwnn said:

You know, i'd say it was actually Prince. We can't say for sure and it could easily have been one of those who imitated him but hmmm, something about the sentence construction convinces me. It'd be just like him to respond in that way as well, the same way he used to slide into the DM's of any pretty soul singer on twitter who turned his head.

violetcrush said:

I thought "obessive fan" at first too. Then I read it a few more times. I also read the author's statement that she had been told he read one of her interviews (probably all of them though), and thought about another "anonymous" comment made on a Prince site in 2014, as well as, confirmation that prince.org was on his recent activity log on his PC.

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Prince always maintained that tough "I don't care what anyone says" public image, but I think he cared a lot - especially about what those in his inner circle said about him.

I was a bit too sure of myself, I'll give you guys that. We can't say for sure indeed, but just for the record it's very easy to copycat someone's writing style, particularly someone who expresses themselves in a peculiar way (which was Prince's case, at least in writing). Besides, there is something very typical of people with mental problems in the way this post is written: hysterical tone, really confusing syntax, waaay too excited for Prince (unless maybe he was high on opioids?), and bothering to fill the confusing infos on the Blogger profile makes no sense either if it was Prince, even if you think cryptic.

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Add to that the many copycats we've seen pop-up here and there and the fact that Prince, for all the lurking he may have done, would risk damaging his image by trolling an associate like this while making so little effort to hide his identity, and that gives me enough reason to believe it wasn't him.

Now yeah, I was a little too radical in my original post because I don't know and I can't prove anything. But given the chances it's a copycat and the lack of evidence saying otherwise, I don't believe it was Prince, and I don't find it reasonable to assume that any anonymous online that sounds like a celebrity should be the celebrity in question. But my apologies for turning an assumption into a fact.

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Now it would be interesting if the mods would finally revealed when Prince (or at least someone from Paisley Park, based on the IP) contributed to the Org, though: with P gone I don't think it would be disrespectful, and it would give us interesting clues as to whether Prince sounded cryptic or like any ordinary person with when writing anonyously. It would make sense to assume Prince would try to not sound like Prince if he wanted to post anonymously.

violetcrush said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I think Jill had more that she could offer. But maybe Prince didn't know how to market her. I think she could have been a thematic performer, like a 1940s starlette meets 1999 Prince I think Jill who helped wording on the Wonder Ass wording comparison lines and G-Spot F is for Frustration etc I think she had more to offer, But Prince was really rush rush. The Time was spelled out(the vision) the Hooker/Vanity 6 was spelled out(the vision) the Sheila E vision was not AS clear but it was made plain when listening to the music, Madhouse was clear with so much potential, the Family was clear but not as defined yet. Mazarati sorta clear, the look just was confusing.

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No it's not questionable, I was basically saying, by 1989 after all that was said and done it was CLEAR that he had no romantic intentions.

.

I think Prince missed out on a good opportunity to flesh out the 'Jill Jones' protege in that 1983-1985 period. She was 'Lady Cab Driver' and her role in the 1999 tour/vids easily gave a foundation for how to cast year. A woman on the move, in transit (almost like her Mia Bocca video) a Vixen of unrequited love, <- that causes people to be in flux, gotta keep moving etc

I guess I can see him not knowing how to market her. Yes, he had her doing the whole "vixen" thing during the 1999 tour, but then he shifted her persona to the sweet and troubled girl in Purple Rain. Originally she had a bigger role in the film and her character was going to be a sad and troubled girl - they had filmed a full scene of her sitting at the piano with Prince singing the song Wednesday. So, that would have changed her "character" again.

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Who knows, but it just seems he didn't take her project very seriously.

Yes, the JJ of Purple Rain was the afflicted with Unrequited Love(same as her real life situation)

So the Vixen of 1999 and JJ of Purple Rain could easily be the same person, the former the extrovert and latter the introverted side.

That is all in connection with being in flux, on the move, to not let the darkness of unrequited love overtake you you keep moving, keep pretended, overworking, party harder, travel(extrovert)

OK HOLD ON

It's hitting me this is turning into another 'who love Prince more' thread. This is about Jill Jones and her 1987 released album and carrier with PRINCE.

No more about Anna Fantastic or Troy B

FYI I will delete any further Anna Fantastic/Troy B posts after this, just to get it back on topic

WOW

(18) INT. CLUB -- UPPER BAR AREA -- NIGHT

She's 18 years old, blonde and pretty in
a cute, innocent way. A Daisy Mae-type
whose emotions form so quickly, she has
trouble sorting them out.

FADE IN:

(23) INT. CLUB EARLY MORNING

MUSIC wafts through the sun-drenched
CLUB. Jill is seated at the PIANO, 'a
la Marlene Dietrich, SINGING to her
heart's content. A cigarette dangles
from her lip, a police cap is perched
jauntily on her head. It's a simple bar
tune, delivered slightly off-key, but
with an openness that is endearing.
Chick is working in the corner,
chuckling to himself, stacking chairs,
sweeping up.

Saturday night I called you
You weren't even home
Needed someone to talk to
Hate it when I'm all alone
Contemplating suicide from 12 o'clock till two

If you're not back by Wednesday
There's no tellin' what I might do

Ooh, might...

Ooh, might do, baby
No tellin' what I might do, oh, oh
Oh
There's no tellin' what I might do

You want to flip it over?

Suddenly she stops -- listens intently.
She jumps up, deliberately spills her
orange juice on the piano. Prince comes
around the corner, stops short--

PRINCE
(surprised)
What are you doing here?

She's a bundle of loose, embarrassing
ends -- the cigarette, hat, juice--

JILL
What...what are you doing
here?

He feels caught out -- SCANS the BOARD
earnestly for Vanity's info -- tries
to think of something to say--

PRINCE
Huh ... it's kind of dead in
here. Where is everybody?

JILL
In bed I guess...
(to herself)
Oh, God ...
(changes subject)
Guess what, I bought a dog.

but anyway.....back on topic

OldFriends4Sale said:

(18) INT. CLUB -- UPPER BAR AREA -- NIGHT

She's 18 years old, blonde and pretty in
a cute, innocent way. A Daisy Mae-type
whose emotions form so quickly, she has
trouble sorting them out.

FADE IN:

(23) INT. CLUB EARLY MORNING

MUSIC wafts through the sun-drenched
CLUB. Jill is seated at the PIANO, 'a
la Marlene Dietrich, SINGING to her
heart's content. A cigarette dangles
from her lip, a police cap is perched
jauntily on her head. It's a simple bar
tune, delivered slightly off-key, but
with an openness that is endearing.
Chick is working in the corner,
chuckling to himself, stacking chairs,
sweeping up.

Saturday night I called you
You weren't even home
Needed someone to talk to
Hate it when I'm all alone
Contemplating suicide from 12 o'clock till two

If you're not back by Wednesday
There's no tellin' what I might do

Ooh, might...

Ooh, might do, baby
No tellin' what I might do, oh, oh
Oh
There's no tellin' what I might do

You want to flip it over?

Suddenly she stops -- listens intently.
She jumps up, deliberately spills her
orange juice on the piano. Prince comes
around the corner, stops short--

PRINCE
(surprised)
What are you doing here?

She's a bundle of loose, embarrassing
ends -- the cigarette, hat, juice--

JILL
What...what are you doing
here?

He feels caught out -- SCANS the BOARD
earnestly for Vanity's info -- tries
to think of something to say--

PRINCE
Huh ... it's kind of dead in
here. Where is everybody?

JILL
In bed I guess...
(to herself)
Oh, God ...
(changes subject)
Guess what, I bought a dog.

This seems like it would have been a great scene.Too bad it was removed from the film.We keep saying that Jill's album should have been released in late 1984/early 85....the song "Wednesday" could have been a part of it.It would have launched her solo career in a big way.

OldFriends4Sale said:

(18) INT. CLUB -- UPPER BAR AREA -- NIGHT

She's 18 years old, blonde and pretty in
a cute, innocent way. A Daisy Mae-type
whose emotions form so quickly, she has
trouble sorting them out.

FADE IN:

(23) INT. CLUB EARLY MORNING

MUSIC wafts through the sun-drenched
CLUB. Jill is seated at the PIANO, 'a
la Marlene Dietrich, SINGING to her
heart's content. A cigarette dangles
from her lip, a police cap is perched
jauntily on her head. It's a simple bar
tune, delivered slightly off-key, but
with an openness that is endearing.
Chick is working in the corner,
chuckling to himself, stacking chairs,
sweeping up.

Saturday night I called you
You weren't even home
Needed someone to talk to
Hate it when I'm all alone
Contemplating suicide from 12 o'clock till two

If you're not back by Wednesday
There's no tellin' what I might do

Ooh, might...

Ooh, might do, baby
No tellin' what I might do, oh, oh
Oh
There's no tellin' what I might do

You want to flip it over?

Suddenly she stops -- listens intently.
She jumps up, deliberately spills her
orange juice on the piano. Prince comes
around the corner, stops short--

PRINCE
(surprised)
What are you doing here?

She's a bundle of loose, embarrassing
ends -- the cigarette, hat, juice--

JILL
What...what are you doing
here?

He feels caught out -- SCANS the BOARD
earnestly for Vanity's info -- tries
to think of something to say--

PRINCE
Huh ... it's kind of dead in
here. Where is everybody?

JILL
In bed I guess...
(to herself)
Oh, God ...
(changes subject)
Guess what, I bought a dog.

Yes, Jill talked about this scene in Alan Light's book (I think), and stated she thought Prince felt badly about having to cut associates extra scenes out of the film. Apparently, Matt Fink was supposed to have more dialogue as well.

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Interesting that they kept a little of the dialogue - well one of Prince's lines "Where's Everybody?". I think she had a fairly prominent role throughout the film even though she didn't sing. She said the last scene in the released film where she's crying when Prince walks back in to 1st Avenue is "off", because it was part of the "Wednesday" scene or another scene that was cut.

Shockadelica9 said:

jaawwnn said:

You know, i'd say it was actually Prince. We can't say for sure and it could easily have been one of those who imitated him but hmmm, something about the sentence construction convinces me. It'd be just like him to respond in that way as well, the same way he used to slide into the DM's of any pretty soul singer on twitter who turned his head.

[Edited 4/9/19 5:34am]

It's not prince..trust me i know the blogger

oh yeah? Fair enough. I mean I have no proof either way and at most this is just something fun to think about.