luvgirl said:

violetcrush said:

Right....Susannah DID say it took awhile for it to progress to a full blown relationship, and THAT is the whole point here. Prince was pursuing her for a very long time before they were actually dating. If your belief is that he was not pursuing her until August of 1983, how would that qualify as a "very long time" now that she has confirmed their relationship "got heavy" during the filming that November/December?? And how would he be sending her flowers everyday at her house in LA if she's actually in MN staying with him? You see how that makes no logical sense, right??

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I don't care whether Jill and Vanity staying at Prince's house was for a "very brief moment" or for several months...it does not matter. What matters is what Jill has stated, which is that they were both staying with Prince, all getting along, and Vanity was still intimate with him during that time. This makes complete sense based on the fact that she was deeply in love with him. I have no doubt that she really didn't want to leave him. However, like all of the others she had reached her limit - with both the monogamy issue and the monetary constraints.

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I seriously doubt that Prince was "blindsided" by Vanity's departure, considering the volatile fights they often had. However, I have no doubt that he was angry and felt betrayed - even though it was his actions which caused her to leave. SAME situation with Susannah. However, it's quite interesting that you view Susannah moving out of Prince's house as an insult considering the fact that she was the only woman at that point with whom he had made that effort. He never offered that option to Vanity - never planned and built a house with her. If he was so in love with her why did she not live with him in the purple house?? AGAIN, Vanity was treated as poorly, if not more so, than any of the other women he seriously dated.

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You are also taking Prince's statements at his P&M concert out of context. Here is the actual dialogue:

"His first Melbourne show at the State Theatre was particularly emotionally charged — Prince admitting he’d just found out about the death of Denise Matthews, aka Vanity, his ex-girlfriend from the early ‘80s and protoge when she fronted the band Vanity 6.

“Someone dear to us has passed away, I’m gonna dedicate this song to her,” Prince said before playing a touching version of Little Red Corvette with a touch of Dirty Mind — songs from the era when they were together."

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"Prince reworked his classic The Ladder to replace the name ‘Electra’ with ‘Vanity’ — so the lyrics ran “This Prince, he had a subject named Vanity who loved him with a passion, uncontested.”

After an encore Prince returned to the stage noting “I am new to this playing alone. I thank you all for being so patient. I’m trying to stay focused, it’s a little heavy for me tonight. Just keep jamming ... She knows about this one.” That introduced a truly incredible version of The Beautiful Ones, another song from the Vanity era (she was the original choice for lead in the Purple Rain movie), the song ending with Prince changing “my knees” for “Denise ... Denise”.

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Unusually chatty and candid, he continued going off script. “Can I tell you a story about Vanity? Or should I tell you a story about Denise? Her and I used to love each other deeply. She loved me for the artist I was, I loved her for the artist she was trying to be. She and I would fight. She was very headstrong cos she knew she was the finest woman in the world. She never missed an opportunity to tell you that.”

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Prince then opened up about a fight where he threatened to throw Vanity in the pool. She said “You can’t throw me in the pool, you’re too little”. He then asked his six foot bodyguard Chick to do the dirty work for him.

“I probably shouldn’t be telling this story,“ he said, “but she’d want us to celebrate her life and not mourn her.”"

The bolded statement from Prince above - exactly. He was honoring her and celebrating her life. What do you think he would have done if it had been Susannah's passing?? In no way was he stating here that she was the only love of his life, or that he was still deeply in love with her. He was reminiscing about that period of time in his life. Of course he was emotional and sad. He had a heart.

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Regarding TBO - You know, it's really interesting as I was just re-listening to the Questlove podcast featuring Duane Tudahl, Ruth Azarte, and Mathieu Bitton where they were talking about the inspirations for Prince's songs. They were talking about She's Always In My Hair, where Mattieu talked about how he asked Prince about that song and that he read that it was about one of his proteges. Prince flat out denied it and told him he actually wrote about his then assistant Terese -even though Susan Rogers was present for the recording of that song, and had spoken to Prince about it after he recorded it. They all discussed how mad he would get when Engineers and/or other associates would talk about the songs. Duane brought up The Beautiful Ones, and said the same thing. I also remember, not long after Alan Light's book came out, I believe Dr Funkenberry received an amonymous post (considered to be from Prince) on his site stating "TBO was not about Wendy's sister, in fact no song was about her". Again, we all know that is not true. He was pissed off at many of his past associates who had contributed to that book. He even took a dig at Matt Fink during the last P&M show, so clearly he still held a grudge with him.

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From the book Purple Reign:

"The Beautiful Ones" was his favorite song," says Susan Rogers. "It was his first song he ever wrote for Susannah Melvoin, Wendy's twin sister and his new girlfriend."

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Also, during the first P&M show at PP January 2016, right before he played TBO he stated, "don't let any man fool you....they all write songs to "cop" a girl. That comment would absolutely support the thoughts and statements by his camp that he also wrote that song to persuade Susannah to be with him.

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AGAIN, FOR THE 5,750TH TIME HERE....OBVIOUSLY THE VERSE "PAINT A PERFECT PICTURE, BRING TO LIFE A VISION IN ONE'S MIND (the film), THE BEAUTIFUL ONES ALWAYS SMASH THE PICTURE (Vanity leaving)..." would have been connected to Vanity, however, the other verses would not.

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Prince DID NOT marry Manuela Testolini because she resembled Vanity!!! How absurd is that statement. It's just absolutely ridiculous. No wonder Prince shook his head and laughed at so much of the "fan fiction" stories out there

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Sounds about right with exactly what I said, except you posted the whole article, lol. He said they loved each other deeply and she knew about the song, The Beautiful Ones. What's your point? The only part that's not referenced there is him asking God to bring her back which is from another show. In the Ebony article Prince pointed out that the lyrics in connection to Denise's departure was "The beautiful ones, you always seem to lose" Not the lyrics that you specified, but its obvious that many more of the song's lyrics had a connection to her as well. When he revealed, "She knows about this one" What does that mean to you? Why do you think Prince bought up the fact that she knew about the song after pointing out her connection to it a few months prior??? Go ahead, I'd love to hear this spin? You're allowed to put your own spin and imagination with everything in regards to Prince and Susannah, but I'm not allowed to say it's interesting that Denise and Manny resemble each other? It's true. Everyone knows that Manny Testiloni is the splitting image of Denise and and Prince married her. Why should I sweep that interesting fact under the rug and not say it? You say whatever....

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1. First bolded comment - WRONG. He stated they USED to love each other deeply.

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2. Yep, I'm sure that was also connected to Vanity as she had left, and the others I mentioned as well, however, NOT the rest of the song where he is screaming at the top of his lungs asking the girl to choose him over the other guy.

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3. Yep, he would say "she knows about this one", because I'm sure she did know that some of the song was inspired by her. You think he's going to tell her that part of the song was also about his strong desire for the woman who turned out to be one of his greatest loves? Nah, don't think so.

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4. Prince had a "type" which he would be drawn to - dark hair, dark eyes, light brown skin. However, he also was smitten with many other types too - Susan Moonsie - darker skinned dark eyes, Kim Basinger - blonde/blue eyes, Carmen E - all american with light eyes, Anna Garcia - a mix but a very American look, Nona Gaye - lighter skinned African American with dark eyes, Jill Jones - mixed race but very light skinned, Mayte Garcia - Spanish with very light skin, dark eyes and dark hair, and Susannah Melvoin - white with dark eyes and dark brown curly hair. So, his "type" was all over the place.

^^^ Similar features?? Sure. The "spitting image"?? Nahhh...

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purplefam99 said:

violetcrush said:

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1. First bolded comment - WRONG. He stated they USED to love each other deeply.

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2. Yep, I'm sure that was also connected to Vanity as she had left, and the others I mentioned as well, however, NOT the rest of the song where he is screaming at the top of his lungs asking the girl to choose him over the other guy.

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3. Yep, he would say "she knows about this one", because I'm sure she did know that some of the song was inspired by her. You think he's going to tell her that part of the song was also about his strong desire for the woman who turned out to be one of his greatest loves? Nah, don't think so.

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4. Prince had a "type" which he would be drawn to - dark hair, dark eyes, light brown skin. However, he also was smitten with many other types too - Susan Moonsie - darker skinned dark eyes, Kim Basinger - blonde/blue eyes, Carmen E - all american with light eyes, Anna Garcia - a mix but a very American look, Nona Gaye - lighter skinned African American with dark eyes, Jill Jones - mixed race but very light skinned, Mayte Garcia - Spanish with very light skin, dark eyes and dark hair, and Susannah Melvoin - white with dark eyes and dark brown curly hair. So, his "type" was all over the place.

I think if any part of the song speaks to his relationship with Denise it would the “rest of TBO where he is screaming...” (your #2^^). His screaming aligns perfectly with the Volatile nature of his relationship with Denise. When he says “we use to fight” That bit in the song is a glimpse of that. That part has to be be about Denise IMO

I have to disagree on that one. It has been stated that Susannah was in a serious relationship with another guy when she met Prince, and she was not available to him. Even Prince, in that infamous Ebony interview which everyone hangs on to, stated those lyrics were connected only to the film scene. Again, he didn't want anyone, other than himself, stating publicly who a song was written about or discussing his personal relationhips.

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The lyrics to those verses - first where he's gently asking her "what's it gonna be?" Then, where he's screaming are these:

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purplefam99 said:

violetcrush said:

^^^ Similar features?? Sure. The "spitting image"?? Nahhh...

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Do a side by side at similar age points in their life.

Regardless of any similar features they have it is ridiculous to state that he married Manuela because she resembled Vanity. That is just absurd. If he just wanted someone who physicall resembled her he would have been looking for, and dating those women all along. As I posted above, he had many women of varying looks, races, features, etc.

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Again, this is just the "Vanity and Prince" obsessed crew reaching for another storyline to add to the "Prince never got over Vanity" tale.

purplefam99 said:

violetcrush said:

I have to disagree on that one. It has been stated that Susannah was in a serious relationship with another guy when she met Prince, and she was not available to him. Even Prince, in that infamous Ebony interview which everyone hangs on to, stated those lyrics were connected only to the film scene. Again, he didn't want anyone, other than himself, stating publicly who a song was written about or discussing his personal relationhips.

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The lyrics to those verses - first where he's gently asking her "what's it gonna be?" Then, where he's screaming are these:

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Baby, baby, baby
What's it gonna be
Baby, baby, baby
Is it him or is it me?
Don't make me waste my time
Don't make me lose my mind baby

Baby, baby, baby
Can't you stay with me tonight
Oh baby, baby, baby
Don't my kisses please you right
You were so hard to find
The beautiful ones, they hurt you every time

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Do you want him?
Or do you want me?
Cause I want you
Said I want you
Tell me, babe
Do you want me?
I gotta know, I gotta know
Do you want me?
Baby, baby, baby
Listen to me
I may not know where I'm going (babe)
I said I may not know what I need
One thing, one thing's for certain baby
I know what I want, yeah
And if it please you baby
Please you, baby
I'm begging down on my knees
I want you
Yes I do
Baby, baby, baby, baby
I want you

Yes I do

Yes all Vanity!!

Nope!!!! Who was he trying to pull her from?? How was he "wasting his time" trying to get her?? She had been there for 11/2 years, and he knew she loved him. Those lyrics do not apply to their situation at that time.

purplefam99 said:

Which songs were written for Shelia E that he sang? In her book she says he sent flowers to her for a long time too. Interesting that he ask her verbally “will u marry me” But no ring. Doesn’t speak the words ever to Susannah but gives her the ring. Which would y’all prefer? Since his actions never matched to loyalty to either one, my vote is the Verbal proposal. Well he did keep her around forever too so there is that. I think she was his true love a “work wife” match made in purple heaven. I think that relationship was his most married. How did they make that last so long???

He was sending flowers to Sheila during the time she was on tour with Lionel Ritchie. He was asking her to stop being a drummer and join his camp to make a solo record. She talked about this during her interview with Questlove.

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Bolded text above - not correct. He DID speak the words to Susannah during the week that they spent together in Paris - immediately following her trip to NY to meet him where he presented her with the ring. Per Susannah, he woke her up just before sunrise and took her out to the balcony. He said, "I don't want you to be the lead in the film. I want you to be my wife."

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Sorry, regardless of whether or not they got married, there was clearly concerted effort and planning on his part for the proposal to Susannah.

purplefam99 said:

I feel that behind closed doors Prince might have felt that Most of his women had “ no home training” when he says that Line in UTCM my heart sank.( for the character) Cause when a black man knows that phrase And uses it, it means something profound in the community. [Edited 2/18/19 15:56pm]

I can't remember -does he say that about Mary Sharon or someone else? Because the synopsis of the story is a poor African American gigolo who traveled to an exclusive high class area of France in order to seduce wealthy women for money.

purplefam99 said:

Which songs were written for Shelia E that he sang? In her book she says he sent flowers to her for a long time too. Interesting that he ask her verbally “will u marry me” But no ring. Doesn’t speak the words ever to Susannah but gives her the ring. Which would y’all prefer? Since his actions never matched to loyalty to either one, my vote is the Verbal proposal. Well he did keep her around forever too so there is that. I think she was his true love a “work wife” match made in purple heaven. I think that relationship was his most married. How did they make that last so long???

He was sending flowers to Sheila during the time she was on tour with Lionel Ritchie. He was asking her to stop being a drummer and join his camp to make a solo record. She talked about this during her interview with Questlove.

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Bolded text above - not correct. He DID speak the words to Susannah during the week that they spent together in Paris - immediately following her trip to NY to meet him where he presented her with the ring. Per Susannah, he woke her up just before sunrise and took her out to the balcony. He said, "I don't want you to be the lead in the film. I want you to be my wife."

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Sorry, regardless of whether or not they got married, there was clearly concerted effort and planning on his part for the proposal to Susannah.

violetcrush said:

purplefam99 said:

violetcrush said:

luvgirl said:

violetcrush said: So you're saying Sheila e literally said the only reason Prince was sending her flowers was to get her to join the band???? He had no interest in a relationship with her??? I have to hear this for myself because I kind of don't trust your word for it Violet... Link please?

Listen to her interview with Questlove on his Supreme show podcast on Pandora. I'm pretty sure she talks about Prince trying to persuade her to go to MN and join his camp to do a solo record. She said she would get flowers while on tour drumming. She said it took convincing, because she didn't think she wanted to be a singer/performer that way. She wanted to continue with being a drummer.

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I will go back and listen to it again.

I never listened to that interview. I'll check it out. Did she go into much detail?

pinkcashmere23 said:

violetcrush said:

luvgirl said:

violetcrush said: So you're saying Sheila e literally said the only reason Prince was sending her flowers was to get her to join the band???? He had no interest in a relationship with her??? I have to hear this for myself because I kind of don't trust your word for it Violet... Link please?

Listen to her interview with Questlove on his Supreme show podcast on Pandora. I'm pretty sure she talks about Prince trying to persuade her to go to MN and join his camp to do a solo record. She said she would get flowers while on tour drumming. She said it took convincing, because she didn't think she wanted to be a singer/performer that way. She wanted to continue with being a drummer.

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I will go back and listen to it again.

I never listened to that interview. I'll check it out. Did she go into much detail?

luvgirl said:

violetcrush said: