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Reply #180 posted 01/05/19 10:07pm

pinkcashmere23

violetcrush said:

Found this old clip on YT of Devin D and the Star Search Spokes Model contest biggrin

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOefudRQ9vU

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Yep, no doubt she and Prince had lots of sex playboy

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I'm sorry, but come on!!!

I was watching her interview with Johnny Carson earlier and I thought she definitely came across a bit ditzy but I wondered if that may have been a bit of a put on. There are some 'Wake Up With Devin" Periscope episodes up on YouTube too I saw. She comes across different in those. She has written a few other books and one with her husband as well.

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Reply #181 posted 01/05/19 10:12pm

muchtoofast

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pinkcashmere23 said:



violetcrush said:


Found this old clip on YT of Devin D and the Star Search Spokes Model contest biggrin


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOefudRQ9vU


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Yep, no doubt she and Prince had lots of sex playboy


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I'm sorry, but come on!!!



I was watching her interview with Johnny Carson earlier and I thought she definitely came across a bit ditzy but I wondered if that may have been a bit of a put on. There are some 'Wake Up With Devin" Periscope episodes up on YouTube too I saw. She comes across different in those. She has written a few other books and one with her husband as well.


The Day it Snowed in April has a 4.5 star rating. Just sayin’.
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Reply #182 posted 01/05/19 11:18pm

pinkcashmere23

muchtoofast said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

I was watching her interview with Johnny Carson earlier and I thought she definitely came across a bit ditzy but I wondered if that may have been a bit of a put on. There are some 'Wake Up With Devin" Periscope episodes up on YouTube too I saw. She comes across different in those. She has written a few other books and one with her husband as well.

The Day it Snowed in April has a 4.5 star rating. Just sayin’.

Does she go into a lot of detail about Prince as a person or is it mainly about what went on in the bedroom? I believe her other book was a best seller. It was about health and wellness and growing older gracefully.

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Reply #183 posted 01/05/19 11:40pm

Strawberrylova
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pinkcashmere23 said:



muchtoofast said:


pinkcashmere23 said:


I was watching her interview with Johnny Carson earlier and I thought she definitely came across a bit ditzy but I wondered if that may have been a bit of a put on. There are some 'Wake Up With Devin" Periscope episodes up on YouTube too I saw. She comes across different in those. She has written a few other books and one with her husband as well.



The Day it Snowed in April has a 4.5 star rating. Just sayin’.

Does she go into a lot of detail about Prince as a person or is it mainly about what went on in the bedroom? I believe her other book was a best seller. It was about health and wellness and growing older gracefully.


I have Devins book and she does a good job detailing their sex life and his personality
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Reply #184 posted 01/05/19 11:42pm

muchtoofast

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pinkcashmere23 said:



muchtoofast said:


pinkcashmere23 said:


I was watching her interview with Johnny Carson earlier and I thought she definitely came across a bit ditzy but I wondered if that may have been a bit of a put on. There are some 'Wake Up With Devin" Periscope episodes up on YouTube too I saw. She comes across different in those. She has written a few other books and one with her husband as well.



The Day it Snowed in April has a 4.5 star rating. Just sayin’.

Does she go into a lot of detail about Prince as a person or is it mainly about what went on in the bedroom? I believe her other book was a best seller. It was about health and wellness and growing older gracefully.


She does detail her time with Prince. Keep in mind she writes about her life outside of Prince also, which wasn’t as interesting, at least to me.
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Reply #185 posted 01/05/19 11:50pm

muchtoofast

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I’m listening to DePosition right now and all I gotta say is
excited
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Reply #186 posted 01/06/19 6:38am

ISaidLifeIsJus
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Nothing Compares 2 U was about P's housekeeper, Sandy.

Susannah sings background vocals on Ps recorded version.

violetcrush said:

muchtoofast said:

And it didn’t take a genius to not introduce Devon to Susannah’s twin sister geez lol! Again, I think we still have gained very little info about Prince beside what we already knew.

Prince got a hard-on for Devon when he saw her first Playboy spread during the PR tour in December 1984. His people contacted her, and he started flying her out to some of the shows to screw around with him after the concerts. She was a complete stranger to him. It was a sex thing. I'm sure she was one of several PB centerfolds that he screwed during that time. This is not a shocker. Very common in the "rock star" world, and Prince was soaking up every bit of it. Many men can separate sex from love, and I'm sure Prince was able to as well.

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Meantime, he was also writing songs like Nothing Compares 2 U and Condition Of The Heart when Susannah broke it off during that period of time.

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Reply #187 posted 01/06/19 7:02am

TheTruth123

violetcrush said:



ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:




violetcrush said:




Susannah did state that Prince was extremely generous with helping her during a very difficult time. She and Toure are also friends, so I'm sure he was respecting her privacy. This was not a "let's try to get every detail" interview. He was being considerate and giving her time to clarify certain parts of her relationship with Prince without being too intrusive.




WTF?
What privacy?


It was in the Estate filings.


I am done with all these Unicorn Interviews.




Right, I understand that. But the discussion was focused more on the time that she spent with Prince, the music they recorded, and their relationship. It was not to get details on a loan amount or documents she signed for the loan. I personally could care less about that, but to each his own.




Yes but since we’re lookin for facts, it seems lifeisjustagame is correct. I think that’s worth noting.
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Reply #188 posted 01/06/19 7:06am

TheTruth123

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:



violetcrush said:




ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:




WTF?
What privacy?


It was in the Estate filings.


I am done with all these Unicorn Interviews.




Right, I understand that. But the discussion was focused more on the time that she spent with Prince, the music they recorded, and their relationship. It was not to get details on a loan amount or documents she signed for the loan. I personally could care less about that, but to each his own.





I get what you are saying violet.


But what I am saying is that "friends" cant get to the truth on any subject by interviewing a "friend" and never asking the hard questions.


Toure failed by not following up with hard questions about what SM said about anything in her interview.



I appreciate this interview that Toure brought us. Two suggestions I have is 1) dont interrupt the person being interviewed. There were many times especially towards the end when Susannah was about to say something really really important and he interrupted. I was like, Touré, be quiet! 2) The other suggestion I have is to not assume how the interviewee felt during a specific time or try to read her mind. Ask questions instead.
Thanks to Susannah and Toure for a really good and important interview though overall.
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Reply #189 posted 01/06/19 7:12am

TheTruth123

violetcrush said:



OldFriends4Sale said:



Oh Gaawd are we continuing the new year with the same posturing and judging?



I'm am just so sick of the same negative pissing on everything






Right on OF4S. I agree 100%. Leave it to PennyPurple and a few others to spray a good dose of negative piss on just about every thread.




I don’t like denial. The truth is the truth.
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Reply #190 posted 01/06/19 7:13am

TheTruth123

Strawberrylova123 said:

violetcrush said:



Strawberrylova123 said:


Michael dean/ princepodcast is about to interview her 👌


Really?? Do you know when? I like his podcast.


No lol..on her Instagram page they asked her will she like to be interviewd she replied " yes! I would love 2!"


Ok but that is not the same as “Michael Dean is about to interview her” please put fact out there.
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Reply #191 posted 01/06/19 8:26am

TheTruth123

violetcrush said:



muchtoofast said:


He flew her to France, then flew her out and called a “side piece” because Susannah meant so much to him?? That is nonsensical, sorry. And why believe everything Susannah says about the shopping? Could be she pressured him to buy the ring, we don’t know for sure. Prince seems to me to be a man who got yanked around a bit by women who couldn’t take a hint and leave. He didn’t want to hurt them, or end up in a tabloid, or he just didn’t have the skills to handle relationships that should be ended.


Prince got "yanked" around by women?? Prince was probably one of the biggest "players" of women, especially during the 80's. Prince did exactly what he wanted to do whenever he wanted to do it.


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Did you listen to the interview at all? Susannah stated mutliple times - the relationship was done HIS WAY only - no discussions. She stated arguments were one-sided, because there was no listening to her feelings about the relationship. Prince's Manager, Alan Leeds, told Susannah that Prince wanted her in NY with him. Susannah went because he requested her to be there.


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I seriously doubt, at 21 yrs old, that Susannah was pressuring Prince in any way about marriage. Again, Prince did what he wanted to do at any given time.


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Prince and his alleged flings were always in the tabloids during that time. He even referenced those tabloids in the Sheila E video for Sister Fate. That was actually good press and exposure for him back then.


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The fact that Prince, feeling so upset about his argument or separation from Susannah, felt compelled to have the band record his song about it on Bobby Z's wedding day- well, I think that about sums it all up right there.




I think Prince said he “had” to get married to appease Devon. He did appeasing with others too. You have to when you’ve got more than one relationship going at once.
Also as much as I love P I have to say that back then I wonder if he made Bobby Z work on his wedding day partly because he (P) was jealous or angry that he (P) was feeling down about his own relationship. Sorry to say but we’re all human and he was young.
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Reply #192 posted 01/06/19 8:37am

luvgirl

A big thank you to Susannah for sharing some thought provoking info on her relationship with Prince. We've heard some of it before but It was an interesting interview nonetheless.

The beginning was a little confusing when she was trying to place the dates. It seemed to overwhelm her as her memory failed. Some of her dates didn't add up as they contradicted factual events and situations, and things she'd said in the past. It's very easy to understand though. It was such a long time ago. You'd have to be a genius to remember the details from month to month in the 1980's, lol.
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I'm usually not a fan of Toure's style of interview, nor am I a fan of his book. I do agree with those who thought he was pampering. However, I think the fact that he and Susannah are friends had some beneficial aspect in this particular interview, as it provided a comfort level of protection to share some of the difficult antidotes she shared. It was obvious that revealing Prince was the one who asked her to move out was a very hard thing for her to share. I commend her for It. It seemed a very painful memory.
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Subsequently, with that request for her to move out of his house, Prince was deliberately taking steps to end the relationship as they knew it. Especially since he followed up the action by seeing other women without even trying to be discreet about it any longer - taking a turn for the worst. I recall the dynamics were elaborated on in DMSR and Possessed. This also brings to mind what her friend Karen Kittenger's stated. She is quoted that Prince was also the one to call off the engagement over the phone. Asking her to leave and calling off the engagement was absolute proof that Prince was done with being in a serious relationship with her and only wanted a casual affair at that point. It must have been very heartbreaking and confusing for Susannah. I understand why it was stated that her family was worried about her mental state at the time. As a woman it's hard not to feel the sadness and indignity on her behalf.
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It's obvious Prince was moving on, and Susannah was smart enough to make an effort in moving on herself when she finally moved away from her apartment. I don't think Prince put the effort needed into saving the relationship with her. He was content at that point to go on casually for years. I'm certain that mending the relationship could have been easily rectified by living together again or finally committing to the proposal, but it's also apparent that the dynamics surrounding the engagement wasn't as serious as imagined. I was surprised to hear that they never spoke of getting married ever again after the ring and the initial proposal. It's interesting to me that he handled the two proposals he made from that time in such a nonchalant and careless manner.
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It's no doubt Prince was a complex and hard man to love, but as Susannah said, she was living in the moment. I suspect many of his women lived in the moment with him. There was no other way. I liked that she said he wasn't the love of her life, but the lover of her life... And I respect this comment by her from a prior interview. "Looking back, I don't do much of that anymore. But, if I do look back at all, I'm just glad I'm not there anymore. I'm glad I'm where I'm at. Life goes on. I've got the best two babies in the world."
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Reply #193 posted 01/06/19 9:00am

bsprout

pinkcashmere23 said:



bsprout said:


pinkcashmere23 said:


Yes I was just listening to the live version on C-Note. The version at Montreux 2009 and Zurich 2011 are two of my favorites. The ones that he did with 3rd Eye Girl were nice too,I thought and I loved that he played piano for them. I think the rehearsal that he shared with 3rd Eye Girl with the melancholy piano outro is beautiful.



Sorry I can’t find the original post but I think you’re referring to ‘Empty Room’? If so, I agree the intensity of this song is palpable, especially in the Zurich 2011 show (my favorite version). I knew he had written this for Susannah but didn’t know until this interview that it was during Bobby Z’s wedding. I always wondered who he was thinking of when he performed it at the Zurich 2011 show, it was so visceral and devastatingly sad. You never know with Prince.

Yes,I was referring to 'Empty Room." The performance in Zurich was something special and it did seem he was relating to it personally that night. I haven't seen it in a while but I remember vividly that shattering scream at the end and it giving me chills.



I love this song (Zurich version). I think he does a similar version at
The North Sea Jazz shows? He’s wearing red for that one if I remember correctly. I’ll have to check out the other ones you mentioned!
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Reply #194 posted 01/06/19 9:18am

pinkcashmere23

muchtoofast said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Does she go into a lot of detail about Prince as a person or is it mainly about what went on in the bedroom? I believe her other book was a best seller. It was about health and wellness and growing older gracefully.

She does detail her time with Prince. Keep in mind she writes about her life outside of Prince also, which wasn’t as interesting, at least to me.

Oh ok. I thought the book was just about her time with Prince. I like Devin from what I know of her so I wouldn't mind learning more about her life outside of him. I did like what she said about Prince in the interview that rednblue shared, especially about him being very in touch with his femine side but still very masculine and that he understood women because of that. Also that he was trying to find his female counterpart in the women he chose to be in his life. I agree. I thought it was interesting that she said he would court her and talk or "rap" for hours on the phone and that she thought "Adore" was about her due to the timeline that it was written. Someone said in the comments about the video that it was likely written for Susannah. I think the person who said that may have worked at WB while Prince was there in the 80's so I wonder if they may have some inside info. Anyway,Devin's book sounds like it's an interesting read.

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Reply #195 posted 01/06/19 9:36am

violetcrush

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Nothing Compares 2 U was about P's housekeeper, Sandy.

Susannah sings background vocals on Ps recorded version.

violetcrush said:

Prince got a hard-on for Devon when he saw her first Playboy spread during the PR tour in December 1984. His people contacted her, and he started flying her out to some of the shows to screw around with him after the concerts. She was a complete stranger to him. It was a sex thing. I'm sure she was one of several PB centerfolds that he screwed during that time. This is not a shocker. Very common in the "rock star" world, and Prince was soaking up every bit of it. Many men can separate sex from love, and I'm sure Prince was able to as well.

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Meantime, he was also writing songs like Nothing Compares 2 U and Condition Of The Heart when Susannah broke it off during that period of time.

Yeah, okay right. NC2U is a straight up love song. Is NOT inspired by a platonic relationship with his housekeeper! So, "I can put my arms around every girl I see, but they'd only remind me of you" is describing his feelings for his housekeeper??? And, "it's been 7 hours and 15 days since you took your love away" is about his housekeeper??

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Susannah has recently stated that she began a heavy and intimate relationship with Prince during the filming of PR, and then it stopped for awhile. I believe at some point prior to the film being released she went back to LA. In Alan Light's book she stated "well we lost touch for awhile while he was being a rock star - petulant and needy, getting any girl that he wanted".

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So, it is possible that when he first wrote/recorded NC2U she had been back in LA.

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Reply #196 posted 01/06/19 9:44am

violetcrush

muchtoofast said:

violetcrush said:

Found this old clip on YT of Devin D and the Star Search Spokes Model contest biggrin

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOefudRQ9vU

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Yep, no doubt she and Prince had lots of sex playboy

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I'm sorry, but come on!!!

You are looking dumber. And dumber. And dumber.

Not nearly as "dumb" as she seems to be in that clip lol And here are two winning clips from her appearance on the Johnny Carson show in '86:

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npp8oJh_Hfs

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrdHsrjZAgQ

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Look, I'm sure she was/is a very nice girl/woman, but come on!! Ya gotta give Prince some credit for being smart enough to know how to manipulate and manage that situation with her. She was kept at a distance for a reason. She was a fun sexual diversion for him.

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Reply #197 posted 01/06/19 9:45am

pinkcashmere23

bsprout said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Yes,I was referring to 'Empty Room." The performance in Zurich was something special and it did seem he was relating to it personally that night. I haven't seen it in a while but I remember vividly that shattering scream at the end and it giving me chills.

I love this song (Zurich version). I think he does a similar version at The North Sea Jazz shows? He’s wearing red for that one if I remember correctly. I’ll have to check out the other ones you mentioned!

Me too. There is audio of it but I'd love to see the performance again.The Zurich show pops up every once in a while. I think he played it on night 3 of NSJ if I recall. It was at the same show that "Girl" was performed. That was another great performance of "Empty Room" I just watched one from Paris 2014 that was also very good with him on the piano. He let out some pretty good screams on that one but not like the Zurich performance.

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Reply #198 posted 01/06/19 9:46am

violetcrush

pinkcashmere23 said:

violetcrush said:

Found this old clip on YT of Devin D and the Star Search Spokes Model contest biggrin

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOefudRQ9vU

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Yep, no doubt she and Prince had lots of sex playboy

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I'm sorry, but come on!!!

I was watching her interview with Johnny Carson earlier and I thought she definitely came across a bit ditzy but I wondered if that may have been a bit of a put on. There are some 'Wake Up With Devin" Periscope episodes up on YouTube too I saw. She comes across different in those. She has written a few other books and one with her husband as well.

Nah, I don't think it was any type of act. I don't think she was skilled enough to pull that off as a fake persona.

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Reply #199 posted 01/06/19 9:58am

pinkcashmere23

violetcrush said:

muchtoofast said:

violetcrush said: You are looking dumber. And dumber. And dumber.

Not nearly as "dumb" as she seems to be in that clip lol And here are two winning clips from her appearance on the Johnny Carson show in '86:

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npp8oJh_Hfs

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrdHsrjZAgQ

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Look, I'm sure she was/is a very nice girl/woman, but come on!! Ya gotta give Prince some credit for being smart enough to know how to manipulate and manage that situation with her. She was kept at a distance for a reason. She was a fun sexual diversion for him.

Yes,in the Johnny Carson interview she comes across very air headed and I was wondering if she was acting the part or if that was really how her personality was back then.She didn't come across that way to me in her Peri episodes and she did several a day in 2015 and '16. I was watching one last night on Twitter where she did a cooking segment in celebration for the Royal wedding last year and she was speaking with an English accent and being silly. She always would do an impression of Austin Powers and say "Am I making you hungry baby?" lol I was tuning in regularly for a while to see what she and Ronn were up to. lol She does still have her Periscope channel and episodes are archived from last year. She did her last one about two months ago. She and Ronn travel frequently and most are from their trips to Europe.

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Reply #200 posted 01/06/19 10:14am

muchtoofast

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violetcrush said:



pinkcashmere23 said:




violetcrush said:


Found this old clip on YT of Devin D and the Star Search Spokes Model contest biggrin


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOefudRQ9vU


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Yep, no doubt she and Prince had lots of sex playboy


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I'm sorry, but come on!!!



I was watching her interview with Johnny Carson earlier and I thought she definitely came across a bit ditzy but I wondered if that may have been a bit of a put on. There are some 'Wake Up With Devin" Periscope episodes up on YouTube too I saw. She comes across different in those. She has written a few other books and one with her husband as well.




Nah, I don't think it was any type of act. I don't think she was skilled enough to pull that off as a fake persona.


Talk about pissing all over people, just what is your problem? You haven’t even read the damn book but you act like you know everything about it? Thats foolish.

I don’t care who his greatest love was and I’m not trying to pit one against the other because we will never know. I’m just not believing great love is cheating every chance you get, or caring zero for your beloved’s feelings.
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Reply #201 posted 01/06/19 10:17am

violetcrush

luvgirl said:

A big thank you to Susannah for sharing some thought provoking info on her relationship with Prince. We've heard some of it before but It was an interesting interview nonetheless. The beginning was a little confusing when she was trying to place the dates. It seemed to overwhelme her as her memory failed. Some of her dates didn't add up as they contradicted factual events and situations, and things she'd said in the past. It's very easy to understand though. It was such a long time ago. You'd have to be a genius to remember the details from month to month in the 1980's lol. * I'm usually not a fan of Toure's style of interview, nor am I a fan of his book. I do agree with those who thought he was pampering. However, I think the fact that he and Susannah are friends had some beneficial aspect in this particular interview, as it provided a comfort level of protection to share some of the difficult antidotes she shared. It was obvious that revealing Prince was the one who asked her to move out was a very hard thing for her to share. I commend her for It. It seemed a very painful memory. * Subsequently, with that request for her to move out of his house, Prince was deliberately taking steps to end the relationship as they knew it. Especially since he followed up the action by seeing other women without even trying to be discreet about it any longer - taking a turn for the worst. I recall the dynamics were elaborated on in DMSR and Possessed. This also brings to mind what her friend Karen Kittenger's stated. She is quoted that Prince was also the one to call off the engagement over the phone. Asking her to leave and calling off the engagement was absolute proof that Prince was done with being in a serious relationship with her and only wanted a casual affair at that point. It must have been very heartbreaking and confusing for Susannah. I understand why it was stated that her family was worried about her mental state at the time. As a woman it's hard not to feel the sadness and indignity on her behalf. * It's obvious Prince was moving on, and Susannah was smart enough to make an effort in moving on herself when she finally moved away from her apartment. I don't think Prince put the effort needed into saving the relationship with her. He was content at that point to go on casually for years. I'm certain that mending the relationship could have been easily rectified by living together again or finally committing to the proposal, but it's also apparent that the dynamics surrounding the engagement wasn't as serious as imagined. I was surprised to hear that they never spoke of getting married ever again after the ring and the initial proposal. It's interesting to me that he handled the two proposals he made from that time in such a nonchalant manner. * It's no doubt Prince was a hard man to love, but as Susannah said, she was living in the moment. I suspect many of his women lived in the moment with him. There was no other way. I liked that she said he wasn't the love of her life, but the lover of her life... And I respect this comment by her from a prior interview. "Looking back, I don't do much of that anymore. But, if I do look back at all, I'm just glad I'm not there anymore. I'm glad I'm where I'm at. Life goes on. I've got the best two babies in the world."

I disagree with a chunk of your assessment here. Yes, Prince did tell her he was not ready to live with her, and she moved into the apartment nearby. Yes, Prince was fooling around with other women off and on during their relationship - as he did in all of his relationships. However, I think it speaks volumes that after she made her decision to leave MN and end the relationship he literally moved out to LA for 2-3 months to attempt to get her to go back to MN with him. He obviously did not want her to leave. So, he clearly wasn't "moving on" from her as you stated. I think the songs Come Home *("how did it come to this, you living in your world and me dying in mine..."), Wally, FIML, etc..more clearly explain how he was feeling at that time.

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You describe his proposal and getting engaged to her as "nonchalant". I disagree completely - especially when you consider a man like Prince. He sent her the flowers with the "word play" cards (Yes, No, Maybe..) which she discussed in another interview, he flew her to NYC, arranged for the private ring selection, bought her a SIX carat ring, flew her to Paris/Nice. Yes, she left for awhile so Prince could be "Prince" running around with Jerome. However, I don't recall reading or hearing about any similar effort he made with any other woman in the 80's. So, I would say it was a pretty big deal.

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The fact that he was flying her over to be with him during the SOTT tour speaks volumes as well. I think by that point things were more on her terms. He wrote the song The Sex Of It and performed it only once - while she was attending his show Sept '87 in MN ("I gave you a diamond ring my friend, but that didn't get you off, French cologne $100 bucks an ounce, but all you did was cough...I couldn't love you any more I guess I'll hate you next....I got a spooky feeling she only wants me for the sex...") Susannah was also on stage with him during the LoveSexy show Sept '88 in MN and attended the tent party at PP. As she said, this went on for years and years. Her description of him calling her and asking to see her in '92/93 is also very telling, especially when he said, "I'm going to come back for you". I believe she was in a relationship with John Cusack during this time. She posted the card he sent to her in the mid 90's about the ballet he was writing..."I love U, please write". Sorry, but there are many many pieces of the puzzle that reveal he was not "moving on" from her. It seems SHE was moving on, and he was still seeking her out.

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The article/interview you quoted from 2013 where Susannah stated she's glad she's not there anymore and she's got the best two babies.." Well, yeah I would imagine she was/is content to live the life she has now with her kids. I think it's also important to mention that during this time she and Prince were not on good terms, because of the fDeluxe record. She had also begun contributing to some of the Biographies - Alan Light's and Matt Thorne's - which I'm sure did not sit well with Prince. She had never discussed her time with him prior to this. In an interview with Rockerzine magazine, also in 2013, she stated Prince would not speak to her after their phone conversation. He began speaking to Paul Peterson, whom he had not communicated with in many years. So, I'm sure that was hurtful to her. That was Prince, and this happened with many of his associates through the years.

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Susannah stated that Prince was the greatest "Lover" of her life. However, that does not mean that SHE was not the greatest "Love" of Prince's life. I'm not declaring that she was that for Prince, but I do know that he wrote a hell of a lot of deep, emotional and loving songs for/about her.

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Reply #202 posted 01/06/19 10:33am

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violetcrush said:

luvgirl said:

A big thank you to Susannah for sharing some thought provoking info on her relationship with Prince. We've heard some of it before but It was an interesting interview nonetheless. The beginning was a little confusing when she was trying to place the dates. It seemed to overwhelme her as her memory failed. Some of her dates didn't add up as they contradicted factual events and situations, and things she'd said in the past. It's very easy to understand though. It was such a long time ago. You'd have to be a genius to remember the details from month to month in the 1980's lol. * I'm usually not a fan of Toure's style of interview, nor am I a fan of his book. I do agree with those who thought he was pampering. However, I think the fact that he and Susannah are friends had some beneficial aspect in this particular interview, as it provided a comfort level of protection to share some of the difficult antidotes she shared. It was obvious that revealing Prince was the one who asked her to move out was a very hard thing for her to share. I commend her for It. It seemed a very painful memory. * Subsequently, with that request for her to move out of his house, Prince was deliberately taking steps to end the relationship as they knew it. Especially since he followed up the action by seeing other women without even trying to be discreet about it any longer - taking a turn for the worst. I recall the dynamics were elaborated on in DMSR and Possessed. This also brings to mind what her friend Karen Kittenger's stated. She is quoted that Prince was also the one to call off the engagement over the phone. Asking her to leave and calling off the engagement was absolute proof that Prince was done with being in a serious relationship with her and only wanted a casual affair at that point. It must have been very heartbreaking and confusing for Susannah. I understand why it was stated that her family was worried about her mental state at the time. As a woman it's hard not to feel the sadness and indignity on her behalf. * It's obvious Prince was moving on, and Susannah was smart enough to make an effort in moving on herself when she finally moved away from her apartment. I don't think Prince put the effort needed into saving the relationship with her. He was content at that point to go on casually for years. I'm certain that mending the relationship could have been easily rectified by living together again or finally committing to the proposal, but it's also apparent that the dynamics surrounding the engagement wasn't as serious as imagined. I was surprised to hear that they never spoke of getting married ever again after the ring and the initial proposal. It's interesting to me that he handled the two proposals he made from that time in such a nonchalant manner. * It's no doubt Prince was a hard man to love, but as Susannah said, she was living in the moment. I suspect many of his women lived in the moment with him. There was no other way. I liked that she said he wasn't the love of her life, but the lover of her life... And I respect this comment by her from a prior interview. "Looking back, I don't do much of that anymore. But, if I do look back at all, I'm just glad I'm not there anymore. I'm glad I'm where I'm at. Life goes on. I've got the best two babies in the world."

I disagree with a chunk of your assessment here. Yes, Prince did tell her he was not ready to live with her, and she moved into the apartment nearby. Yes, Prince was fooling around with other women off and on during their relationship - as he did in all of his relationships. However, I think it speaks volumes that after she made her decision to leave MN and end the relationship he literally moved out to LA for 2-3 months to attempt to get her to go back to MN with him. He obviously did not want her to leave. So, he clearly wasn't "moving on" from her as you stated. I think the songs Come Home *("how did it come to this, you living in your world and me dying in mine..."), Wally, FIML, etc..more clearly explain how he was feeling at that time.

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You describe his proposal and getting engaged to her as "nonchalant". I disagree completely - especially when you consider a man like Prince. He sent her the flowers with the "word play" cards (Yes, No, Maybe..) which she discussed in another interview, he flew her to NYC, arranged for the private ring selection, bought her a SIX carat ring, flew her to Paris/Nice. Yes, she left for awhile so Prince could be "Prince" running around with Jerome. However, I don't recall reading or hearing about any similar effort he made with any other woman in the 80's. So, I would say it was a pretty big deal.

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The fact that he was flying her over to be with him during the SOTT tour speaks volumes as well. I think by that point things were more on her terms. He wrote the song The Sex Of It and performed it only once - while she was attending his show Sept '87 in MN ("I gave you a diamond ring my friend, but that didn't get you off, French cologne $100 bucks an ounce, but all you did was cough...I couldn't love you any more I guess I'll hate you next....I got a spooky feeling she only wants me for the sex...") Susannah was also on stage with him during the LoveSexy show Sept '88 in MN and attended the tent party at PP. As she said, this went on for years and years. Her description of him calling her and asking to see her in '92/93 is also very telling, especially when he said, "I'm going to come back for you". I believe she was in a relationship with John Cusack during this time. She posted the card he sent to her in the mid 90's about the ballet he was writing..."I love U, please write". Sorry, but there are many many pieces of the puzzle that reveal he was not "moving on" from her. It seems SHE was moving on, and he was still seeking her out.

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The article/interview you quoted from 2013 where Susannah stated she's glad she's not there anymore and she's got the best two babies.." Well, yeah I would imagine she was/is content to live the life she has now with her kids. I think it's also important to mention that during this time she and Prince were not on good terms, because of the fDeluxe record. She had also begun contributing to some of the Biographies - Alan Light's and Matt Thorne's - which I'm sure did not sit well with Prince. She had never discussed her time with him prior to this. In an interview with Rockerzine magazine, also in 2013, she stated Prince would not speak to her after their phone conversation. He began speaking to Paul Peterson, whom he had not communicated with in many years. So, I'm sure that was hurtful to her. That was Prince, and this happened with many of his associates through the years.

*

Susannah stated that Prince was the greatest "Lover" of her life. However, that does not mean that SHE was not the greatest "Love" of Prince's life. I'm not declaring that she was that for Prince, but I do know that he wrote a hell of a lot of deep, emotional and loving songs for/about her.

Some of Prince's lyrics in the songs written during that time do give the impression that Susannah was standing her ground in the relationship and that he was the one chasing after her at times. He also seemingly accused her of cheating in a few such as "Go" I wonder if that was the case or if she was just seeing other men while she and Prince were on a break or after their breakup and he was seeing that as her being unfaithful to him. Whatever the case,their relationship inspired some of the best music he ever made in my opinion.

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Reply #203 posted 01/06/19 10:41am

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pinkcashmere23 said:

violetcrush said:

I disagree with a chunk of your assessment here. Yes, Prince did tell her he was not ready to live with her, and she moved into the apartment nearby. Yes, Prince was fooling around with other women off and on during their relationship - as he did in all of his relationships. However, I think it speaks volumes that after she made her decision to leave MN and end the relationship he literally moved out to LA for 2-3 months to attempt to get her to go back to MN with him. He obviously did not want her to leave. So, he clearly wasn't "moving on" from her as you stated. I think the songs Come Home *("how did it come to this, you living in your world and me dying in mine..."), Wally, FIML, etc..more clearly explain how he was feeling at that time.

*

You describe his proposal and getting engaged to her as "nonchalant". I disagree completely - especially when you consider a man like Prince. He sent her the flowers with the "word play" cards (Yes, No, Maybe..) which she discussed in another interview, he flew her to NYC, arranged for the private ring selection, bought her a SIX carat ring, flew her to Paris/Nice. Yes, she left for awhile so Prince could be "Prince" running around with Jerome. However, I don't recall reading or hearing about any similar effort he made with any other woman in the 80's. So, I would say it was a pretty big deal.

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The fact that he was flying her over to be with him during the SOTT tour speaks volumes as well. I think by that point things were more on her terms. He wrote the song The Sex Of It and performed it only once - while she was attending his show Sept '87 in MN ("I gave you a diamond ring my friend, but that didn't get you off, French cologne $100 bucks an ounce, but all you did was cough...I couldn't love you any more I guess I'll hate you next....I got a spooky feeling she only wants me for the sex...") Susannah was also on stage with him during the LoveSexy show Sept '88 in MN and attended the tent party at PP. As she said, this went on for years and years. Her description of him calling her and asking to see her in '92/93 is also very telling, especially when he said, "I'm going to come back for you". I believe she was in a relationship with John Cusack during this time. She posted the card he sent to her in the mid 90's about the ballet he was writing..."I love U, please write". Sorry, but there are many many pieces of the puzzle that reveal he was not "moving on" from her. It seems SHE was moving on, and he was still seeking her out.

*

The article/interview you quoted from 2013 where Susannah stated she's glad she's not there anymore and she's got the best two babies.." Well, yeah I would imagine she was/is content to live the life she has now with her kids. I think it's also important to mention that during this time she and Prince were not on good terms, because of the fDeluxe record. She had also begun contributing to some of the Biographies - Alan Light's and Matt Thorne's - which I'm sure did not sit well with Prince. She had never discussed her time with him prior to this. In an interview with Rockerzine magazine, also in 2013, she stated Prince would not speak to her after their phone conversation. He began speaking to Paul Peterson, whom he had not communicated with in many years. So, I'm sure that was hurtful to her. That was Prince, and this happened with many of his associates through the years.

*

Susannah stated that Prince was the greatest "Lover" of her life. However, that does not mean that SHE was not the greatest "Love" of Prince's life. I'm not declaring that she was that for Prince, but I do know that he wrote a hell of a lot of deep, emotional and loving songs for/about her.

Some of Prince's lyrics in the songs written during that time do give the impression that Susannah was standing her ground in the relationship and that he was the one chasing after her at times. He also seemingly accused her of cheating in a few such as "Go" I wonder if that was the case or if she was just seeing other men while she and Prince were on a break or after their breakup and he was seeing that as her being unfaithful to him. Whatever the case,their relationship inspired some of the best music he ever made in my opinion.

Yes, I agree. I think by Summer of '85 she had learned enough about his behaviors in a relationship to push his buttons. Anotherloverholeinyohead speaks to that as well. Wendy stated that he would be out womanizing and expect her to remain faithful. The classic double-standard.

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Reply #204 posted 01/06/19 10:42am

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violetcrush said:




luvgirl said:


A big thank you to Susannah for sharing some thought provoking info on her relationship with Prince. We've heard some of it before but It was an interesting interview nonetheless. The beginning was a little confusing when she was trying to place the dates. It seemed to overwhelme her as her memory failed. Some of her dates didn't add up as they contradicted factual events and situations, and things she'd said in the past. It's very easy to understand though. It was such a long time ago. You'd have to be a genius to remember the details from month to month in the 1980's lol. * I'm usually not a fan of Toure's style of interview, nor am I a fan of his book. I do agree with those who thought he was pampering. However, I think the fact that he and Susannah are friends had some beneficial aspect in this particular interview, as it provided a comfort level of protection to share some of the difficult antidotes she shared. It was obvious that revealing Prince was the one who asked her to move out was a very hard thing for her to share. I commend her for It. It seemed a very painful memory. * Subsequently, with that request for her to move out of his house, Prince was deliberately taking steps to end the relationship as they knew it. Especially since he followed up the action by seeing other women without even trying to be discreet about it any longer - taking a turn for the worst. I recall the dynamics were elaborated on in DMSR and Possessed. This also brings to mind what her friend Karen Kittenger's stated. She is quoted that Prince was also the one to call off the engagement over the phone. Asking her to leave and calling off the engagement was absolute proof that Prince was done with being in a serious relationship with her and only wanted a casual affair at that point. It must have been very heartbreaking and confusing for Susannah. I understand why it was stated that her family was worried about her mental state at the time. As a woman it's hard not to feel the sadness and indignity on her behalf. * It's obvious Prince was moving on, and Susannah was smart enough to make an effort in moving on herself when she finally moved away from her apartment. I don't think Prince put the effort needed into saving the relationship with her. He was content at that point to go on casually for years. I'm certain that mending the relationship could have been easily rectified by living together again or finally committing to the proposal, but it's also apparent that the dynamics surrounding the engagement wasn't as serious as imagined. I was surprised to hear that they never spoke of getting married ever again after the ring and the initial proposal. It's interesting to me that he handled the two proposals he made from that time in such a nonchalant manner. * It's no doubt Prince was a hard man to love, but as Susannah said, she was living in the moment. I suspect many of his women lived in the moment with him. There was no other way. I liked that she said he wasn't the love of her life, but the lover of her life... And I respect this comment by her from a prior interview. "Looking back, I don't do much of that anymore. But, if I do look back at all, I'm just glad I'm not there anymore. I'm glad I'm where I'm at. Life goes on. I've got the best two babies in the world."


I disagree with a chunk of your assessment here. Yes, Prince did tell her he was not ready to live with her, and she moved into the apartment nearby. Yes, Prince was fooling around with other women off and on during their relationship - as he did in all of his relationships. However, I think it speaks volumes that after she made her decision to leave MN and end the relationship he literally moved out to LA for 2-3 months to attempt to get her to go back to MN with him. He obviously did not want her to leave. So, he clearly wasn't "moving on" from her as you stated. I think the songs Come Home *("how did it come to this, you living in your world and me dying in mine..."), Wally, FIML, etc..more clearly explain how he was feeling at that time.


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You describe his proposal and getting engaged to her as "nonchalant". I disagree completely - especially when you consider a man like Prince. He sent her the flowers with the "word play" cards (Yes, No, Maybe..) which she discussed in another interview, he flew her to NYC, arranged for the private ring selection, bought her a SIX carat ring, flew her to Paris/Nice. Yes, she left for awhile so Prince could be "Prince" running around with Jerome. However, I don't recall reading or hearing about any similar effort he made with any other woman in the 80's. So, I would say it was a pretty big deal.


*


The fact that he was flying her over to be with him during the SOTT tour speaks volumes as well. I think by that point things were more on her terms. He wrote the song The Sex Of It and performed it only once - while she was attending his show Sept '87 in MN ("I gave you a diamond ring my friend, but that didn't get you off, French cologne $100 bucks an ounce, but all you did was cough...I couldn't love you any more I guess I'll hate you next....I got a spooky feeling she only wants me for the sex...") Susannah was also on stage with him during the LoveSexy show Sept '88 in MN and attended the tent party at PP. As she said, this went on for years and years. Her description of him calling her and asking to see her in '92/93 is also very telling, especially when he said, "I'm going to come back for you". I believe she was in a relationship with John Cusack during this time. She posted the card he sent to her in the mid 90's about the ballet he was writing..."I love U, please write". Sorry, but there are many many pieces of the puzzle that reveal he was not "moving on" from her. It seems SHE was moving on, and he was still seeking her out.


*


The article/interview you quoted from 2013 where Susannah stated she's glad she's not there anymore and she's got the best two babies.." Well, yeah I would imagine she was/is content to live the life she has now with her kids. I think it's also important to mention that during this time she and Prince were not on good terms, because of the fDeluxe record. She had also begun contributing to some of the Biographies - Alan Light's and Matt Thorne's - which I'm sure did not sit well with Prince. She had never discussed her time with him prior to this. In an interview with Rockerzine magazine, also in 2013, she stated Prince would not speak to her after their phone conversation. He began speaking to Paul Peterson, whom he had not communicated with in many years. So, I'm sure that was hurtful to her. That was Prince, and this happened with many of his associates through the years.


*


Susannah stated that Prince was the greatest "Lover" of her life. However, that does not mean that SHE was not the greatest "Love" of Prince's life. I'm not declaring that she was that for Prince, but I do know that he wrote a hell of a lot of deep, emotional and loving songs for/about her.




Some of Prince's lyrics in the songs written during that time do give the impression that Susannah was standing her ground in the relationship and that he was the one chasing after her at times. He also seemingly accused her of cheating in a few such as "Go" I wonder if that was the case or if she was just seeing other men while she and Prince were on a break or after their breakup and he was seeing that as her being unfaithful to him. Whatever the case,their relationship inspired some of the best music he ever made in my opinion.


No, she was adamant about that relationship being one sided, no discussion. And he’d ice her out and not speak to her. You’d think that with all the beautiful lyrics in his head he’d think of a little something to actually *say* to his wonderful beloved.
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Reply #205 posted 01/06/19 10:46am

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I think this is a good article - written March 3rd, 1987. This supports Susannah's discussion about Prince chasing her out to LA, and trying to get her to move back to MN. Some of the writing is for dramatic affect, but the jist of it is there....

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Reply #206 posted 01/06/19 10:53am

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muchtoofast said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Some of Prince's lyrics in the songs written during that time do give the impression that Susannah was standing her ground in the relationship and that he was the one chasing after her at times. He also seemingly accused her of cheating in a few such as "Go" I wonder if that was the case or if she was just seeing other men while she and Prince were on a break or after their breakup and he was seeing that as her being unfaithful to him. Whatever the case,their relationship inspired some of the best music he ever made in my opinion.

No, she was adamant about that relationship being one sided, no discussion. And he’d ice her out and not speak to her. You’d think that with all the beautiful lyrics in his head he’d think of a little something to actually *say* to his wonderful beloved.

Right, because that is how he was with EVERYONE, not just with her, or other women. He iced out everyone around him and would not speak to them at certain times. Did you watch the Mke Judge show about The Time? They actually talked about this and used the animated characters to show how Prince would be laughing with the band one minute, and then suddenly transform into an icy stare and would not talk. That was Prince. He could not let his guard down and communicate directly, so he put it all in his songs. She stated this during the interview. Lisa Coleman stated they never knew which "Prince" they were going to get when he arrived at rehearsal. She said sometimes he would confide in her and want to talk like they were close friends, and the next day he would treat her like an employee and would not speak.

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He said the things he could not say in his songs. Even Prince had stated, "If you want to know about me and my life listen to my music".

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Reply #207 posted 01/06/19 10:56am

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pinkcashmere23 said:

Some of Prince's lyrics in the songs written during that time do give the impression that Susannah was standing her ground in the relationship and that he was the one chasing after her at times. He also seemingly accused her of cheating in a few such as "Go" I wonder if that was the case or if she was just seeing other men while she and Prince were on a break or after their breakup and he was seeing that as her being unfaithful to him. Whatever the case,their relationship inspired some of the best music he ever made in my opinion.

Yes, I agree. I think by Summer of '85 she had learned enough about his behaviors in a relationship to push his buttons. Anotherloverholeinyohead speaks to that as well. Wendy stated that he would be out womanizing and expect her to remain faithful. The classic double-standard.

Yes,that seemed to be a pattern of his and with his lyrics. I noted that Susannah said that she was aware of his behavior and went along with it but if she could talk to her younger self she would advise against accepting that behavior. I guess she was so young at the time,she just put up with it for a while but it seems from his lyrics and from what she said,that began to change with time and she got her fill of it.

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Reply #208 posted 01/06/19 11:05am

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violetcrush said:

muchtoofast said:

pinkcashmere23 said: No, she was adamant about that relationship being one sided, no discussion. And he’d ice her out and not speak to her. You’d think that with all the beautiful lyrics in his head he’d think of a little something to actually *say* to his wonderful beloved.

Right, because that is how he was with EVERYONE, not just with her, or other women. He iced out everyone around him and would not speak to them at certain times. Did you watch the Mke Judge show about The Time? They actually talked about this and used the animated characters to show how Prince would be laughing with the band one minute, and then suddenly transform into an icy stare and would not talk. That was Prince. He could not let his guard down and communicate directly, so he put it all in his songs. She stated this during the interview. Lisa Coleman stated they never knew which "Prince" they were going to get when he arrived at rehearsal. She said sometimes he would confide in her and want to talk like they were close friends, and the next day he would treat her like an employee and would not speak.

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He said the things he could not say in his songs. Even Prince had stated, "If you want to know about me and my life listen to my music".

Lala Escarzega said the same in one of her posts about him she made after he passed. She said that he could go long periods where he would ignore you and they were in one of those times before he passed. She wrote that she became very ill in January of 2016 and he called to see about her and until then they hadn't spoken for months. It seems he would get miffed at someone and respond by shutting them out or perhaps he did it when he felt he was becoming to vulnerable with them.

[Edited 1/6/19 11:06am]

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Reply #209 posted 01/06/19 11:13am

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violetcrush said:

Nah, I don't think it was any type of act. I don't think she was skilled enough to pull that off as a fake persona.

Talk about pissing all over people, just what is your problem? You haven’t even read the damn book but you act like you know everything about it? Thats foolish. I don’t care who his greatest love was and I’m not trying to pit one against the other because we will never know. I’m just not believing great love is cheating every chance you get, or caring zero for your beloved’s feelings.

I'm in no way trying to piss on Devin D. This thread is NOT about her, but you clearly seem to want it to be. If you are so impressed with her, and think she was so important to Prince, then by all means start a new thread about her.

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I never claimed to know everything about her or her time with Prince. However, I am entitled to an opinion based on what I actually have seen and read, as well as, looking at the big picture in terms of the amount of actual time spent with him.

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