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Reply #270 posted 01/06/19 6:27pm

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muchtoofast said:


With Devin Prince showed respect, thoughtfulness, self-restraint, humor, affection, gentle sexuality, etc etc. According to Susannah he didn’t care a fig about her own feelings. And this is why I bring up Devin, because according to her Prince was fully capable of showing a woman he cared about her and was able to stop the music making to spend time with her. So why didn’t Susannah get the same charming and gentlemenly attention? No one knows! He did state in an Ebony interview that any ballad he writes is not based on anything carnal or flesh based, his writing is spiritual.

Some of the ballads were very spiritual in nature such as "And God Created Woman" and "Muse 2 The Pharoah" but others are purely carnal like 'Shhh","Insatiable" and "Scandalous". I think he may have meant that ballads such as "The Beautiful Ones" were written in that vein but I can't believe that he considered all of his ballads to be spiritually based.


I believe Shhh was written for another artist to sing, and why NOT believe the man himself when he says how he writes songs? And no wonder he gave up on trying to set the record straight, nobody believed him. Making music was his job, he stated that in a tv interview, and lyrics came easily to him. Why does he necessarily need to feel the feelings before he can pen a song? He was a songwriter, that was his job. Matt Lauer once tried to pick his brain about the “meaning” of a song and Prince looked at him like he was crazy. There are love songs, funny songs, break up songs, certain themes just like in literature. Prince wasn’t reinventing the wheel here.
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Reply #271 posted 01/06/19 6:30pm

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violetcrush said:


pinkcashmere23 said:


There's a recent post on Susannah's IG where she shared a pic of a page of the liner notes for the Crystal Ball set and what Prince wrote about Make Your Mama Happy. www.instagram.com/p/BrVaY7sBW9y/ He seemed to be thinking of her a good bit in the 90's with the letter that he wrote her,revealing that FIML was written for her in the AOL chat,mentioning her in the liner notes of CB and In This Bed for Wendy,Lisa and Susannah.



Yes, she also sang with him on the song Crystal Ball. I agree with you about the 90's. The song configuration for the Emancipation album was entirely different in 1995 too. She got married August 1997, so not sure how that may have affected him.

I agree. He seemed to be in a weird place emotionally at the time. Yes,and several songs on the set were likely written about her and inspired by their relationship.


Yes, I recently watched one of his 1997 concerts that was posted on YT. When he sang Girls and Boys he slowed it way down with minimal instrumental and sang it in a mournful or sorrowful tone. Hard to explain but it was very strange. Such a sad time for him all around.
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Reply #272 posted 01/06/19 6:34pm

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Well here is a different version of Violet's story on the glitter canes.


Lucite glitter cane used by Prince around Paisley Park Studios, measuring 36? long, filled with glitter and a dense liquid. Purchased in 1985 for Prince’s house on Galpin Boulevard in Chanhassen, Minnesota. In fine condition. From the collection of Prince's assistant Stachia Fiedler. Assistants Karen Krattinger and Susannah Melvoin purchased several of these wands for Prince at a small shop in SoHo, Manhattan. He enjoyed them so much, often carrying them into rehearsals, studios, and offices, that he had them made into ‘glitter’ canes.


http://www.icollector.com..._i26535298



A Prince glitter cane
Lucite or clear hard plastic cane filled with a semi-thick liquid and glitter, with black rubber tip. This cane was one of several purchased in Manhattan's SoHo in 1985 by a Prince employee. The musician was taken with the canes and reworked them into "glitter" canes.
Provenance: From the collection of a member of Prince's inner circle, with a letter of authenticity.


https://www.bonhams.com/a...8/lot/182/




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Reply #273 posted 01/06/19 6:38pm

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violetcrush said:

muchtoofast said:

With Devin Prince showed respect, thoughtfulness, self-restraint, humor, affection, gentle sexuality, etc etc.

According to Susannah he didn’t care a fig about her own feelings. And this is why I bring up Devin, because according to her Prince was fully capable of showing a woman he cared about her and was able to stop the music making to spend time with her. So why didn’t Susannah get the same charming and gentlemenly attention?

No one knows! He did state in an Ebony interview that any ballad he writes is not based on anything carnal or flesh based, his writing is spiritual.


Wow, you're kidding, right? Susannah was with him 24/7 (with the exception of when he would make the occasional pit stops to shag chicks like Devin), so of course she was going to get all of Prince - the good, the bad, and the ugly. It's the equivalent of a married man having a sexual affair or fling - of course that chick is not going to see the real baggage. Devin was a seduction scene for Prince. She wasn't with him long enough to see any other side of him.
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And when did Susannah state that Prince didn't give a fig about her?? Did we listen to the same interview? She has stated they were very much in love. She stated it was beautiful at times and hard at times. Yep, that is how a real relationship works. I'm sure there is a long list of wonderful and thoughtful things Prince did for Susannah, however, they didn't have all day to go through them. One story I do remember Wendy telling is how Prince surprised her and Susannah on their birthday with a private meeting with Joni Mitchell, whom they loved but had never met. I'd say that was pretty thoughtful, wouldn't you??

Yes and if Susannah could remember without talking about remembering, or tell a story without talking about telling a story, or be honest without talking about being honest, then I’d be more inclined to believe she was ever “present” enough to even know that an actual relationship was taking place.

In her time with Prince she seemed young, dumb, aimless, no ambition, just blowin’ in the wind.
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Reply #274 posted 01/06/19 6:44pm

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muchtoofast said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Some of the ballads were very spiritual in nature such as "And God Created Woman" and "Muse 2 The Pharoah" but others are purely carnal like 'Shhh","Insatiable" and "Scandalous". I think he may have meant that ballads such as "The Beautiful Ones" were written in that vein but I can't believe that he considered all of his ballads to be spiritually based.

I believe Shhh was written for another artist to sing, and why NOT believe the man himself when he says how he writes songs? And no wonder he gave up on trying to set the record straight, nobody believed him. Making music was his job, he stated that in a tv interview, and lyrics came easily to him. Why does he necessarily need to feel the feelings before he can pen a song? He was a songwriter, that was his job. Matt Lauer once tried to pick his brain about the “meaning” of a song and Prince looked at him like he was crazy. There are love songs, funny songs, break up songs, certain themes just like in literature. Prince wasn’t reinventing the wheel here.

Yes,it was given to Tevin Campbell. I believe he said in the Ebony interview "any ballad "like" that,when talking about TBO's. Some of his ballads do not seem like they came from a spiritual place to me and some do seem pretty paint by numbers but others such as "TBO's" "Crucial","Adore","Revelation" and "1000 Light Years Away" do seem to have come from a deeper,more spiritual place.

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Reply #275 posted 01/06/19 6:48pm

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muchtoofast said:

pinkcashmere23 said:



muchtoofast said:


With Devin Prince showed respect, thoughtfulness, self-restraint, humor, affection, gentle sexuality, etc etc. According to Susannah he didn’t care a fig about her own feelings. And this is why I bring up Devin, because according to her Prince was fully capable of showing a woman he cared about her and was able to stop the music making to spend time with her. So why didn’t Susannah get the same charming and gentlemenly attention? No one knows! He did state in an Ebony interview that any ballad he writes is not based on anything carnal or flesh based, his writing is spiritual.

Some of the ballads were very spiritual in nature such as "And God Created Woman" and "Muse 2 The Pharoah" but others are purely carnal like 'Shhh","Insatiable" and "Scandalous". I think he may have meant that ballads such as "The Beautiful Ones" were written in that vein but I can't believe that he considered all of his ballads to be spiritually based.


I believe Shhh was written for another artist to sing, and why NOT believe the man himself when he says how he writes songs? And no wonder he gave up on trying to set the record straight, nobody believed him. Making music was his job, he stated that in a tv interview, and lyrics came easily to him. Why does he necessarily need to feel the feelings before he can pen a song? He was a songwriter, that was his job. Matt Lauer once tried to pick his brain about the “meaning” of a song and Prince looked at him like he was crazy. There are love songs, funny songs, break up songs, certain themes just like in literature. Prince wasn’t reinventing the wheel here.

Again, it is common knowledge that Prince wrote his songs based on what or who inspired him in that moment. He also communicated to people through his music. Prince wrote about sex, love, religion, politics, race, etc. Sone of those songs were just a general thought on a particular topic, and many others were specifically connected to a person, event, incident in his life. This is a big part of what makes Prince's music so great. He turned his life experiences into fantastic songs. Again, when Prince was asked by a journalist why he is so private about his personal life he said, "If you want to know about me just listen to my music. It's all there."
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Do you know Prince's history with journalists? He was notorious for cryptic answers, and occasionally sone white lies. No way he was going to discuss his song with Matt Lauer, a stiff white guy, who he knew didn't follow his music. In a 1998 interview on CBS this morning he pulled a thin cracker from his jacket pocket and started esting it when another stiff white dude actually started reading his lyrics to him. It was friggin' hilarious. My point is, Prince didn't care for journalists and he played with them often.
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Reply #276 posted 01/06/19 6:49pm

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violetcrush said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

I agree. He seemed to be in a weird place emotionally at the time. Yes,and several songs on the set were likely written about her and inspired by their relationship.

Yes, I recently watched one of his 1997 concerts that was posted on YT. When he sang Girls and Boys he slowed it way down with minimal instrumental and sang it in a mournful or sorrowful tone. Hard to explain but it was very strange. Such a sad time for him all around.

Yes,he was going through an emotionally hard time through most of the 90's and according to what Susannah said in her interview with Toure and the note that he wrote to her,he was reaching out to her. Wow,I haven't seen that performance but it sounds intense.

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Reply #277 posted 01/06/19 6:51pm

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Wow, you're kidding, right? Susannah was with him 24/7 (with the exception of when he would make the occasional pit stops to shag chicks like Devin), so of course she was going to get all of Prince - the good, the bad, and the ugly. It's the equivalent of a married man having a sexual affair or fling - of course that chick is not going to see the real baggage. Devin was a seduction scene for Prince. She wasn't with him long enough to see any other side of him. * And when did Susannah state that Prince didn't give a fig about her?? Did we listen to the same interview? She has stated they were very much in love. She stated it was beautiful at times and hard at times. Yep, that is how a real relationship works. I'm sure there is a long list of wonderful and thoughtful things Prince did for Susannah, however, they didn't have all day to go through them. One story I do remember Wendy telling is how Prince surprised her and Susannah on their birthday with a private meeting with Joni Mitchell, whom they loved but had never met. I'd say that was pretty thoughtful, wouldn't you??
Yes and if Susannah could remember without talking about remembering, or tell a story without talking about telling a story, or be honest without talking about being honest, then I’d be more inclined to believe she was ever “present” enough to even know that an actual relationship was taking place. In her time with Prince she seemed young, dumb, aimless, no ambition, just blowin’ in the wind.

awwww

can you sit down with someone as the ask questions about your life 30yrs ago and just rattle it off like numbers?

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Reply #278 posted 01/06/19 6:52pm

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pinkcashmere23 said:



muchtoofast said:


pinkcashmere23 said:


Some of the ballads were very spiritual in nature such as "And God Created Woman" and "Muse 2 The Pharoah" but others are purely carnal like 'Shhh","Insatiable" and "Scandalous". I think he may have meant that ballads such as "The Beautiful Ones" were written in that vein but I can't believe that he considered all of his ballads to be spiritually based.



I believe Shhh was written for another artist to sing, and why NOT believe the man himself when he says how he writes songs? And no wonder he gave up on trying to set the record straight, nobody believed him. Making music was his job, he stated that in a tv interview, and lyrics came easily to him. Why does he necessarily need to feel the feelings before he can pen a song? He was a songwriter, that was his job. Matt Lauer once tried to pick his brain about the “meaning” of a song and Prince looked at him like he was crazy. There are love songs, funny songs, break up songs, certain themes just like in literature. Prince wasn’t reinventing the wheel here.

Yes,it was given to Tevin Campbell. I believe he said in the Ebony interview "any ballad "like" that,when talking about TBO's. Some of his ballads do not seem like they came from a spiritual place to me and some do seem pretty paint by numbers but others such as "TBO's" "Crucial","Adore","Revelation" and "1000 Light Years Away" do seem to have come from a deeper,more spiritual place.


Right, and we’ll never know for sure. And maybe I’m just not getting the point of what seems like fan fiction to me, having to assign a specific muse to his songs. I think spirituality and humanity was his muse, along with getting the bills paid.
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Reply #279 posted 01/06/19 6:52pm

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Well here is a different version of Violet's story on the glitter canes.



Lucite glitter cane used by Prince around Paisley Park Studios, measuring 36? long, filled with glitter and a dense liquid. Purchased in 1985 for Prince’s house on Galpin Boulevard in Chanhassen, Minnesota. In fine condition. From the collection of Prince's assistant Stachia Fiedler. Assistants Karen Krattinger and Susannah Melvoin purchased several of these wands for Prince at a small shop in SoHo, Manhattan. He enjoyed them so much, often carrying them into rehearsals, studios, and offices, that he had them made into ‘glitter’ canes.



http://www.icollector.com..._i26535298




A Prince glitter cane


Lucite or clear hard plastic cane filled with a semi-thick liquid and glitter, with black rubber tip. This cane was one of several purchased in Manhattan's SoHo in 1985 by a Prince employee. The musician was taken with the canes and reworked them into "glitter" canes.
Provenance: From the collection of a member of Prince's inner circle, with a letter of authenticity.



https://www.bonhams.com/a...8/lot/182/






No PennyP, I said the original glitter WAND that Susannah had kept was purchased in Paris, NOT the canes. The canes were made for Prince after they returned from France. Try to keep up biggrin
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Reply #280 posted 01/06/19 6:53pm

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muchtoofast said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Some of the ballads were very spiritual in nature such as "And God Created Woman" and "Muse 2 The Pharoah" but others are purely carnal like 'Shhh","Insatiable" and "Scandalous". I think he may have meant that ballads such as "The Beautiful Ones" were written in that vein but I can't believe that he considered all of his ballads to be spiritually based.

I believe Shhh was written for another artist to sing, and why NOT believe the man himself when he says how he writes songs? And no wonder he gave up on trying to set the record straight, nobody believed him. Making music was his job, he stated that in a tv interview, and lyrics came easily to him. Why does he necessarily need to feel the feelings before he can pen a song? He was a songwriter, that was his job. Matt Lauer once tried to pick his brain about the “meaning” of a song and Prince looked at him like he was crazy. There are love songs, funny songs, break up songs, certain themes just like in literature. Prince wasn’t reinventing the wheel here.

Shhh is the twelfth track (ninth song) on Tevin Campbell's second album I'm Ready, and around the same time as the album's release, Shhh was available as a promotional single in the USA (with no commercial release).

Shhh single.jpg

Shhh was the first single from Tevin Campbell's second album I'm Ready, and was available a few weeks after the album's release in the USA only as a promotional single with no commercial release.

The single contained an edit of Shhh which had been previously available on the b-side of "I'm Ready" 7" single. Shhh was written and produced by Prince (credited as Paisley Park).

The single reached number 45 on the US Billboard Pop Airplay Chart, and number 8 on the Billboard R&B Airplay Chart.


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Reply #281 posted 01/06/19 6:58pm

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muchtoofast said:

With Devin Prince showed respect, thoughtfulness, self-restraint, humor, affection, gentle sexuality, etc etc. According to Susannah he didn’t care a fig about her own feelings. And this is why I bring up Devin, because according to her Prince was fully capable of showing a woman he cared about her and was able to stop the music making to spend time with her. So why didn’t Susannah get the same charming and gentlemenly attention? No one knows! He did state in an Ebony interview that any ballad he writes is not based on anything carnal or flesh based, his writing is spiritual.

Because she did get that too. But let's remember Devin was a part time chick too so 'respect thoughtfulness self restraint affection etc' seriously. She was a side chick. How is that respectful?

At thread needs to be made in he P&R forum to help female Prince fans connect the dots.

Prince also was talking about going back to the garden and musicians being in the garden and the serpent offering artists the forbidden fruit ie money etc etc Prince's revisionist ideas of his songs going from carnal to spiritual. Please that is just his constant conflict.

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Reply #282 posted 01/06/19 6:59pm

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violetcrush said:

PennyPurple said:

Well here is a different version of Violet's story on the glitter canes.


Lucite glitter cane used by Prince around Paisley Park Studios, measuring 36? long, filled with glitter and a dense liquid. Purchased in 1985 for Prince’s house on Galpin Boulevard in Chanhassen, Minnesota. In fine condition. From the collection of Prince's assistant Stachia Fiedler. Assistants Karen Krattinger and Susannah Melvoin purchased several of these wands for Prince at a small shop in SoHo, Manhattan. He enjoyed them so much, often carrying them into rehearsals, studios, and offices, that he had them made into ‘glitter’ canes.


http://www.icollector.com..._i26535298



A Prince glitter cane
Lucite or clear hard plastic cane filled with a semi-thick liquid and glitter, with black rubber tip. This cane was one of several purchased in Manhattan's SoHo in 1985 by a Prince employee. The musician was taken with the canes and reworked them into "glitter" canes.
Provenance: From the collection of a member of Prince's inner circle, with a letter of authenticity.


https://www.bonhams.com/a...8/lot/182/




No PennyP, I said the original glitter WAND that Susannah had kept was purchased in Paris, NOT the canes. The canes were made for Prince after they returned from France. Try to keep up biggrin

The one Susannah sold for almost 10K...

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Reply #283 posted 01/06/19 6:59pm

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violetcrush said:

muchtoofast said:
I believe Shhh was written for another artist to sing, and why NOT believe the man himself when he says how he writes songs? And no wonder he gave up on trying to set the record straight, nobody believed him. Making music was his job, he stated that in a tv interview, and lyrics came easily to him. Why does he necessarily need to feel the feelings before he can pen a song? He was a songwriter, that was his job. Matt Lauer once tried to pick his brain about the “meaning” of a song and Prince looked at him like he was crazy. There are love songs, funny songs, break up songs, certain themes just like in literature. Prince wasn’t reinventing the wheel here.
Again, it is common knowledge that Prince wrote his songs based on what or who inspired him in that moment. He also communicated to people through his music. Prince wrote about sex, love, religion, politics, race, etc. Sone of those songs were just a general thought on a particular topic, and many others were specifically connected to a person, event, incident in his life. This is a big part of what makes Prince's music so great. He turned his life experiences into fantastic songs. Again, when Prince was asked by a journalist why he is so private about his personal life he said, "If you want to know about me just listen to my music. It's all there." * Do you know Prince's history with journalists? He was notorious for cryptic answers, and occasionally sone white lies. No way he was going to discuss his song with Matt Lauer, a stiff white guy, who he knew didn't follow his music. In a 1998 interview on CBS this morning he pulled a thin cracker from his jacket pocket and started esting it when another stiff white dude actually started reading his lyrics to him. It was friggin' hilarious. My point is, Prince didn't care for journalists and he played with them often.

Yes, he rarely would discuss the inspiration behind a particular song, much less reveal who it was written about. That's why I find it interesting that he was so open about revealing at least two songs were written about Susannah. He must have still felt a connection to those songs and wanted people to associate them with her.

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Reply #284 posted 01/06/19 7:00pm

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muchtoofast said:


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Wow, you're kidding, right? Susannah was with him 24/7 (with the exception of when he would make the occasional pit stops to shag chicks like Devin), so of course she was going to get all of Prince - the good, the bad, and the ugly. It's the equivalent of a married man having a sexual affair or fling - of course that chick is not going to see the real baggage. Devin was a seduction scene for Prince. She wasn't with him long enough to see any other side of him. * And when did Susannah state that Prince didn't give a fig about her?? Did we listen to the same interview? She has stated they were very much in love. She stated it was beautiful at times and hard at times. Yep, that is how a real relationship works. I'm sure there is a long list of wonderful and thoughtful things Prince did for Susannah, however, they didn't have all day to go through them. One story I do remember Wendy telling is how Prince surprised her and Susannah on their birthday with a private meeting with Joni Mitchell, whom they loved but had never met. I'd say that was pretty thoughtful, wouldn't you??

Yes and if Susannah could remember without talking about remembering, or tell a story without talking about telling a story, or be honest without talking about being honest, then I’d be more inclined to believe she was ever “present” enough to even know that an actual relationship was taking place. In her time with Prince she seemed young, dumb, aimless, no ambition, just blowin’ in the wind.


awwww



can you sit down with someone as the ask questions about your life 30yrs ago and just rattle it off like numbers?




It’s not like she didn’t have time to gather her thoughts. And I don’t mean to pick on her it’s just hard to listen to a speaker when what she is saying is full of parentheticals.

I’m sure he loved her but he also put her out of his house and cheated on her throughout their relationship. He also used her cheap labor. When he needed a backup singer she dropped what she was doing and was there for him even if she had to get on a plane. I sorta feel bad for her.

If she’d write a book I’d buy it in a flash. I’m interested in her time with Prince.
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Reply #285 posted 01/06/19 7:01pm

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muchtoofast said:

pinkcashmere23 said:



muchtoofast said:


pinkcashmere23 said:


Some of the ballads were very spiritual in nature such as "And God Created Woman" and "Muse 2 The Pharoah" but others are purely carnal like 'Shhh","Insatiable" and "Scandalous". I think he may have meant that ballads such as "The Beautiful Ones" were written in that vein but I can't believe that he considered all of his ballads to be spiritually based.



I believe Shhh was written for another artist to sing, and why NOT believe the man himself when he says how he writes songs? And no wonder he gave up on trying to set the record straight, nobody believed him. Making music was his job, he stated that in a tv interview, and lyrics came easily to him. Why does he necessarily need to feel the feelings before he can pen a song? He was a songwriter, that was his job. Matt Lauer once tried to pick his brain about the “meaning” of a song and Prince looked at him like he was crazy. There are love songs, funny songs, break up songs, certain themes just like in literature. Prince wasn’t reinventing the wheel here.

Yes,it was given to Tevin Campbell. I believe he said in the Ebony interview "any ballad "like" that,when talking about TBO's. Some of his ballads do not seem like they came from a spiritual place to me and some do seem pretty paint by numbers but others such as "TBO's" "Crucial","Adore","Revelation" and "1000 Light Years Away" do seem to have come from a deeper,more spiritual place.


Right, and we’ll never know for sure. And maybe I’m just not getting the point of what seems like fan fiction to me, having to assign a specific muse to his songs. I think spirituality and humanity was his muse, along with getting the bills paid.

Prince had many muses during his lifetime - he always had a spiritual connection which grew as he aged. However, women and sex were a huge factor in his life, especially in his younger years, so of course his songs were inspired by them. He had as many or more songs about love and sex as he did about spirituality. He often equated the two by saying sex can also be a spiritual thing. It is ridiculous to think that Certain women were not muses for Prince in his songwriting. Take a look at the A-Z song list at princevault.com. Several song titles are female names - Susannah included.
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violetcrush said:

PennyPurple said: No PennyP, I said the original glitter WAND that Susannah had kept was purchased in Paris, NOT the canes. The canes were made for Prince after they returned from France. Try to keep up biggrin

The one Susannah sold for almost 10K...

Why do we have to make every thread about "Estate" debates. Isn't that what we expect from LauraRichardson?

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Reply #287 posted 01/06/19 7:04pm

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awwww

can you sit down with someone as the ask questions about your life 30yrs ago and just rattle it off like numbers?

It’s not like she didn’t have time to gather her thoughts. And I don’t mean to pick on her it’s just hard to listen to a speaker when what she is saying is full of parentheticals. I’m sure he loved her but he also put her out of his house and cheated on her throughout their relationship. He also used her cheap labor. When he needed a backup singer she dropped what she was doing and was there for him even if she had to get on a plane. I sorta feel bad for her. If she’d write a book I’d buy it in a flash. I’m interested in her time with Prince.

Can you though?

Preperation hasn't stopped people who speak regularly from almost forgetting their names when they stood before groups of people. If you watch shows like Inside the Actors Studio, the majority of the guests talk the same to various degrees.

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Reply #288 posted 01/06/19 7:08pm

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PennyPurple said:



violetcrush said:


PennyPurple said:

Well here is a different version of Violet's story on the glitter canes.



Lucite glitter cane used by Prince around Paisley Park Studios, measuring 36? long, filled with glitter and a dense liquid. Purchased in 1985 for Prince’s house on Galpin Boulevard in Chanhassen, Minnesota. In fine condition. From the collection of Prince's assistant Stachia Fiedler. Assistants Karen Krattinger and Susannah Melvoin purchased several of these wands for Prince at a small shop in SoHo, Manhattan. He enjoyed them so much, often carrying them into rehearsals, studios, and offices, that he had them made into ‘glitter’ canes.



http://www.icollector.com..._i26535298





A Prince glitter cane


Lucite or clear hard plastic cane filled with a semi-thick liquid and glitter, with black rubber tip. This cane was one of several purchased in Manhattan's SoHo in 1985 by a Prince employee. The musician was taken with the canes and reworked them into "glitter" canes.
Provenance: From the collection of a member of Prince's inner circle, with a letter of authenticity.


https://www.bonhams.com/a...8/lot/182/







No PennyP, I said the original glitter WAND that Susannah had kept was purchased in Paris, NOT the canes. The canes were made for Prince after they returned from France. Try to keep up biggrin

The one Susannah sold for almost 10K...


Good for her. Obviously purchased by a devoted fan (with extra cash to spare - lucky!) and someone who will take good care of it. I think Questlove bought her notebook of the handwritten UTCM script too biggrin Glad she can pass them on to people who understand their value.
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Reply #289 posted 01/06/19 7:08pm

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muchtoofast said:


With Devin Prince showed respect, thoughtfulness, self-restraint, humor, affection, gentle sexuality, etc etc. According to Susannah he didn’t care a fig about her own feelings. And this is why I bring up Devin, because according to her Prince was fully capable of showing a woman he cared about her and was able to stop the music making to spend time with her. So why didn’t Susannah get the same charming and gentlemenly attention? No one knows! He did state in an Ebony interview that any ballad he writes is not based on anything carnal or flesh based, his writing is spiritual.


Because she did get that too. But let's remember Devin was a part time chick too so 'respect thoughtfulness self restraint affection etc' seriously. She was a side chick. How is that respectful?



At thread needs to be made in he P&R forum to help female Prince fans connect the dots.



Prince also was talking about going back to the garden and musicians being in the garden and the serpent offering artists the forbidden fruit ie money etc etc Prince's revisionist ideas of his songs going from carnal to spiritual. Please that is just his constant conflict.


Do you not see how what you are saying is so derogatory of Prince? That he thought so little of women he used them as little more than a pump n dump? And she didn’t know she was a side chick, she was dumbfounded when he told her he had to get engaged. Why so quick to dump on this woman Devin who only speaks fondly of her time with Prince?
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Reply #290 posted 01/06/19 7:14pm

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violetcrush said:

muchtoofast said:
Right, and we’ll never know for sure. And maybe I’m just not getting the point of what seems like fan fiction to me, having to assign a specific muse to his songs. I think spirituality and humanity was his muse, along with getting the bills paid.
Prince had many muses during his lifetime - he always had a spiritual connection which grew as he aged. However, women and sex were a huge factor in his life, especially in his younger years, so of course his songs were inspired by them. He had as many or more songs about love and sex as he did about spirituality. He often equated the two by saying sex can also be a spiritual thing. It is ridiculous to think that Certain women were not muses for Prince in his songwriting. Take a look at the A-Z song list at princevault.com. Several song titles are female names - Susannah included.

Prince himself credited Susannah as the muse behind at least two of his songs. A few women have said that he gifted them with specific songs that he had written for them. The lyrics were likely written in such a way that they would be aware that they were about them too. Anna Garcia said that was the case with "Anna Waiting" in her interview with Uncovering Prince.

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Reply #291 posted 01/06/19 7:14pm

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OldFriends4Sale said:



muchtoofast said:


OldFriends4Sale said:



awwww



can you sit down with someone as the ask questions about your life 30yrs ago and just rattle it off like numbers?





It’s not like she didn’t have time to gather her thoughts. And I don’t mean to pick on her it’s just hard to listen to a speaker when what she is saying is full of parentheticals. I’m sure he loved her but he also put her out of his house and cheated on her throughout their relationship. He also used her cheap labor. When he needed a backup singer she dropped what she was doing and was there for him even if she had to get on a plane. I sorta feel bad for her. If she’d write a book I’d buy it in a flash. I’m interested in her time with Prince.


Can you though?



Preperation hasn't stopped people who speak regularly from almost forgetting their names when they stood before groups of people. If you watch shows like Inside the Actors Studio, the majority of the guests talk the same to various degrees.


Right. And unless she had kept a daily diary, which would have been next to impossible with the schedule she had to keep, memories will come back in spurts. It's a lot of tine to cram into a one hour interview. Plus she has Toure chiming in with his comments, and occasionally cutting off what she was about to say. I was like, wait! Let her finish the thought!
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Reply #292 posted 01/06/19 7:23pm

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muchtoofast said:

violetcrush said:



Wow, you're kidding, right? Susannah was with him 24/7 (with the exception of when he would make the occasional pit stops to shag chicks like Devin), so of course she was going to get all of Prince - the good, the bad, and the ugly. It's the equivalent of a married man having a sexual affair or fling - of course that chick is not going to see the real baggage. Devin was a seduction scene for Prince. She wasn't with him long enough to see any other side of him.
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And when did Susannah state that Prince didn't give a fig about her?? Did we listen to the same interview? She has stated they were very much in love. She stated it was beautiful at times and hard at times. Yep, that is how a real relationship works. I'm sure there is a long list of wonderful and thoughtful things Prince did for Susannah, however, they didn't have all day to go through them. One story I do remember Wendy telling is how Prince surprised her and Susannah on their birthday with a private meeting with Joni Mitchell, whom they loved but had never met. I'd say that was pretty thoughtful, wouldn't you??

Yes and if Susannah could remember without talking about remembering, or tell a story without talking about telling a story, or be honest without talking about being honest, then I’d be more inclined to believe she was ever “present” enough to even know that an actual relationship was taking place.

In her time with Prince she seemed young, dumb, aimless, no ambition, just blowin’ in the wind.


I actually thought she spoke very clearly and eloquently throughout the discussion. This was a continuation or supplement to her first interview with Toure, so that is why they were glossing over certain topics. Again, they were trying to discuss several years in a one hour time frame.
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Susannah was only 18 when she met Prince, so yeah, she was very young. However, I would say she was far from dumb. Considering the life she was leading I think she handled herself quite well. Check out the video for Anotherloverholeinyohead - she's on stage doing her thing looking classy, sexy and doing great vocals
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Reply #293 posted 01/06/19 7:28pm

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pinkcashmere23 said:



violetcrush said:


muchtoofast said:
Right, and we’ll never know for sure. And maybe I’m just not getting the point of what seems like fan fiction to me, having to assign a specific muse to his songs. I think spirituality and humanity was his muse, along with getting the bills paid.

Prince had many muses during his lifetime - he always had a spiritual connection which grew as he aged. However, women and sex were a huge factor in his life, especially in his younger years, so of course his songs were inspired by them. He had as many or more songs about love and sex as he did about spirituality. He often equated the two by saying sex can also be a spiritual thing. It is ridiculous to think that Certain women were not muses for Prince in his songwriting. Take a look at the A-Z song list at princevault.com. Several song titles are female names - Susannah included.

Prince himself credited Susannah as the muse behind at least two of his songs. A few women have said that he gifted them with specific songs that he had written for them. The lyrics were likely written in such a way that they would be aware that they were about them too. Anna Garcia said that was the case with "Anna Waiting" in her interview with Uncovering Prince.


Right Pink. Anna Waiting was written about Anna Garcia. It's been well documented that Prince would not sleep with her until she turned 18.
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Reply #294 posted 01/06/19 7:32pm

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pinkcashmere23 said:



violetcrush said:


pinkcashmere23 said:


I agree. He seemed to be in a weird place emotionally at the time. Yes,and several songs on the set were likely written about her and inspired by their relationship.



Yes, I recently watched one of his 1997 concerts that was posted on YT. When he sang Girls and Boys he slowed it way down with minimal instrumental and sang it in a mournful or sorrowful tone. Hard to explain but it was very strange. Such a sad time for him all around.

Yes,he was going through an emotionally hard time through most of the 90's and according to what Susannah said in her interview with Toure and the note that he wrote to her,he was reaching out to her. Wow,I haven't seen that performance but it sounds intense.


It was very intense. He didn't play the whole song, just sang a portion of it. When it started I didn't even realize what it was until he sang the first verse.
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Reply #295 posted 01/06/19 7:33pm

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violetcrush said:

OldFriends4Sale said:



muchtoofast said:


OldFriends4Sale said:



awwww



can you sit down with someone as the ask questions about your life 30yrs ago and just rattle it off like numbers?





It’s not like she didn’t have time to gather her thoughts. And I don’t mean to pick on her it’s just hard to listen to a speaker when what she is saying is full of parentheticals. I’m sure he loved her but he also put her out of his house and cheated on her throughout their relationship. He also used her cheap labor. When he needed a backup singer she dropped what she was doing and was there for him even if she had to get on a plane. I sorta feel bad for her. If she’d write a book I’d buy it in a flash. I’m interested in her time with Prince.


Can you though?



Preperation hasn't stopped people who speak regularly from almost forgetting their names when they stood before groups of people. If you watch shows like Inside the Actors Studio, the majority of the guests talk the same to various degrees.


Right. And unless she had kept a daily diary, which would have been next to impossible with the schedule she had to keep, memories will come back in spurts. It's a lot of tine to cram into a one hour interview. Plus she has Toure chiming in with his comments, and occasionally cutting off what she was about to say. I was like, wait! Let her finish the thought!

By this time her truth should be able to be the truth and it was for the most part I believe. We as listeners get to wonder about agendas and self delusions and naiveté and what we also know to be true.

I try to believe him when he speaks though and he said his songs are spiritual and not based in the flesh.
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Reply #296 posted 01/06/19 7:34pm

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I am coming to this interview late and am listening to some of her comments that do not jibe with what I have read in several books (The Rise and Fall of Prince, The Rise of Prince, DMSR etc).

Her account of asking her to marry him is different than what I have read in the aforementioned books. I think he said "I want you to be my wife" as a way of letting her down gently as it was determined she could not act well (Under the Cherry Moon) and needed to be replaced. I also read he sent her back (with Allan Leeds) to Minnie soon after they arrived in Paris (same day or next).

I do agree that she was important to him at one time, though.

I am concerned she is embellishing a bit.

She does have a mellodious voice, however.

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Reply #297 posted 01/06/19 7:35pm

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pinkcashmere23 said:



violetcrush said:


muchtoofast said:
Right, and we’ll never know for sure. And maybe I’m just not getting the point of what seems like fan fiction to me, having to assign a specific muse to his songs. I think spirituality and humanity was his muse, along with getting the bills paid.

Prince had many muses during his lifetime - he always had a spiritual connection which grew as he aged. However, women and sex were a huge factor in his life, especially in his younger years, so of course his songs were inspired by them. He had as many or more songs about love and sex as he did about spirituality. He often equated the two by saying sex can also be a spiritual thing. It is ridiculous to think that Certain women were not muses for Prince in his songwriting. Take a look at the A-Z song list at princevault.com. Several song titles are female names - Susannah included.

Prince himself credited Susannah as the muse behind at least two of his songs. A few women have said that he gifted them with specific songs that he had written for them. The lyrics were likely written in such a way that they would be aware that they were about them too. Anna Garcia said that was the case with "Anna Waiting" in her interview with Uncovering Prince.


Under the "Thank You" section of the liner notes for the SOTT album the first name listed is Susannah.
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Reply #298 posted 01/06/19 7:36pm

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violetcrush said:

muchtoofast said:


Yes and if Susannah could remember without talking about remembering, or tell a story without talking about telling a story, or be honest without talking about being honest, then I’d be more inclined to believe she was ever “present” enough to even know that an actual relationship was taking place.

In her time with Prince she seemed young, dumb, aimless, no ambition, just blowin’ in the wind.


I actually thought she spoke very clearly and eloquently throughout the discussion. This was a continuation or supplement to her first interview with Toure, so that is why they were glossing over certain topics. Again, they were trying to discuss several years in a one hour time frame.
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Susannah was only 18 when she met Prince, so yeah, she was very young. However, I would say she was far from dumb. Considering the life she was leading I think she handled herself quite well. Check out the video for Anotherloverholeinyohead - she's on stage doing her thing looking classy, sexy and doing great vocals
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But you also think you know Devin’s story so, there’s that.
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Reply #299 posted 01/06/19 7:41pm

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Why would the Rise and Fall book be more credible? It only mentions a miniscule of the whole experience. Susannah did talk about him mixing the marriage proposal and the UTCM let down, she said 'you didn't have to do that just tell me about the UTCM...'

But I doubt the marriage proposal was just to smoothe over the let down of UTCM.

peggyon said:

I am coming to this interview late and am listening to some of her comments that do not jibe with what I have read in several books (The Rise and Fall of Prince, The Rise of Prince, DMSR etc).

Her account of asking her to marry him is different than what I have read in the aforementioned books. I think he said "I want you to be my wife" as a way of letting her down gently as it was determined she could not act well (Under the Cherry Moon) and needed to be replaced. I also read he sent her back (with Allan Leeds) to Minnie soon after they arrived in Paris (same day or next).

I do agree that she was important to him at one time, though.

I am concerned she is embellishing a bit.

She does have a mellodious voice, however.

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