muchtoofast said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

This is your real issue, not race.

Well I’m nothing if not average and I’m old enough to have had lots of friends and relatives and co workers who would also be real sad if a loved one became a pole dancing stripper. That world is filled with drug and alcohol abuse and violence toward women. We will never know what the photographer would have done with a white ballerina but I think that question is important.

I agree.

muchtoofast said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

This is your real issue, not race.

Well I’m nothing if not average and I’m old enough to have had lots of friends and relatives and co workers who would also be real sad if a loved one became a pole dancing stripper. That world is filled with drug and alcohol abuse and violence toward women. We will never know what the photographer would have done with a white ballerina but I think that question is important.

Yeah, I'm old enough to remember when watching Ricky Ricardo, pull Lucy over his lap to spank her like a child for disobeying him was hilarious and cute. Not so funny anymore to me. Ideals change, sometimes for the better. The violence comes because of the way of thinking is to devalue women who aren't where "certain" people think they should be.

muchtoofast said:

muchtoofast said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

This is your real issue, not race.

Well I’m nothing if not average and I’m old enough to have had lots of friends and relatives and co workers who would also be real sad if a loved one became a pole dancing stripper. That world is filled with drug and alcohol abuse and violence toward women. We will never know what the photographer would have done with a white ballerina but I think that question is important.

That's some true. But that is still the real issue.

And not all exotic dancing is filled with that stuff, whether it's male or female strippers. That isn't full true.

I'll say again. Until people deal with their issues of sex/sexuality, male and female sexual expression will always be viewed unequally and there will always be conflict.

Misty still agreed to it, and she wasn't forced, not had to do it for lack of exposure or money.

muchtoofast said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

no conflict with the first or 2nd image

She is NOT presenting anyone her vagina, she’s showing us how limber she is. This takes constant work and skill.

That is right, But THAT 2nd image is offensive to some people. I'm a huge fan of the ballet. I know it is hard work.

We have the OP who cares more about what Prince would think. Misty is not on the stripper pole.

And whose opinion is very sexist and judgemental in how they clearly feel in how they worded the thread. Misty did not take a new direction and become a stripper. Why aren't you all calling that out?

and saying Prince WOULD NOT be happy about this! First Janelle turning into a raunchy, pansexual, sex pot and now Misty on the stripper pole! But she looks HOT!

Krystalkisses said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

she was 29yrs old though in 2011 to Prince's 53 that's a huge age gap, like a lot of the other ones

I know but just from a biological standpoint and fertility that would have worked if he wanted "Future Baby Mama" and just from interviews Misty seems like a very mature young lady ( and kinda an old soul) so I don't think a marriage with an older man would be a challenge for her. She seems to have qualities that would make a loving mother. She would have been a wonderful M3 imo. Sorry, I wish Prince had a loving woman in the end to show him love and support. I really hate the undignified way he died...i just hate it.. but I guess that is just my wishful thinking.

Yeah, I know what you mean. She was just breaking into her own though. I think become a Prince wife at the budding of her career, might not have been fair to her.

OldFriends4Sale said:

muchtoofast said:

OldFriends4Sale said: She is NOT presenting anyone her vagina, she’s showing us how limber she is. This takes constant work and skill.

That is right, But THAT 2nd image is offensive to some people. I'm a huge fan of the ballet. I know it is hard work.

We have the OP who cares more about what Prince would think. Misty is not on the stripper pole.

And whose opinion is very sexist and judgemental in how they clearly feel in how they worded the thread. Misty did not take a new direction and become a stripper. Why aren't you all calling that out?

and saying Prince WOULD NOT be happy about this! First Janelle turning into a raunchy, pansexual, sex pot and now Misty on the stripper pole! But she looks HOT!

I can say today I'm not feeling it. I can understand my gen and the gen before me saying certain things but these gens after me saying certain things makes me know they need to read more. They do not think beyond what's in front of them on a screen. If it's not explained in vivid detail, right over the head it goes.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Lovejunky said:

Actually you have that completely wrong !!!...

Prince was working with Misty well before her appointment as principle Ballerina in 2015

in fact it was 6 years before :she appeared in Crimson and CLover in 2009 as a relative unknown

It could be argued that her association with Prince helped her career..

In fact she credits Prince with giving her confidence...

so NO...

he didnt need the lift..

he GAVE her one...

When did she work with Prince in 2015?

I didnt say she did...

she was appointed as Prima Ballerina of the ABT in 2015 !

Lovejunky said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

When did she work with Prince in 2015?

I didnt say she did...

she was appointed as Prima Ballerina of the ABT in 2015 !

Oh ok, I like Misty, so if she did do something else I would have like to see it

I almost read that sentence backwards

OldFriends4Sale said:

Lovejunky said:

I didnt say she did...

she was appointed as Prima Ballerina of the ABT in 2015 !

Oh ok, I like Misty, so if she did do something else I would have like to see it

I almost read that sentence backwards

I do to..

I wonder how Prince found her ?..in 2009 ,when cast in Crimson and clover she was relatively unknown...

Love the way he put talented people in the spotlight and gave them a chance...

OldFriends4Sale said:

Krystalkisses said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

That's some true. But that is still the real issue.

And not all exotic dancing is filled with that stuff, whether it's male or female strippers. That isn't full true.

I'll say again. Until people deal with their issues of sex/sexuality, male and female sexual expression will always be viewed unequally and there will always be conflict.

Misty still agreed to it, and she wasn't forced, not had to do it for lack of exposure or money.

[b] While I apprechiate your open mindeness, I can tell you the exotic dancing world is filled with lots of that stuff. They really are cesspools of human dysfunction but then again I think bars in general are. But there are lots of Pole dance studios, pole competitions and exotic dance arts emerging that are safe spaces for women to express that part of themselves with no learing men. I have personally met some great friends from the community. As for Misty, this is just a role and she was entirely safe from the reality of it.

I have a friend that does Pole dancing...

Yes..its more of an art form than a suggestive display...

I think its important to distinguish the difference between Pole Dancing and say Twerking..

IMO...One of them calls you to think "wow the strength and agility it takes"

whilst the other is more about

"See this arse' ? Do ya wanna........?"

The opening of Legs is nothing new to dancing is it ? ...its par for the course..and woman have Vaginas in between them ..so what....?

But when you get down on all fours and shake that booty...well..woman also have bootys,

but for me I find the way that Twerkers move very far from Liberating or empowering...

or artful...Its just suggestive provocative and kind of Gross....

WHen that Minaj girl gets down on the floor...I just cringe....

Cant compare that to Pole dancing, where the objective is to be strong...

Lovejunky said:

Lovejunky said:

onlyforaminute said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Lovejunky said:

muchtoofast said:

minnesoundlvr said: Can’t admit to something you have no idea you are doing. I bet the photographer is clueless about his racism just like above where someone made the sexist remark of “Misty was presenting her vagina to Prince”. WTF?? Does anyone here think Prince would have told her to spread her legs and offer her vagina to him and she’d go along with that? Yikes, I think Misty was dancing for him, interpreting the song, and showcasing her phenomenal range of motion which just so happened to include the leg spread. But she had on clothes, she’s not naked, this is not an intimate setting so why would she be offering her vagina to him? As some kind of payment for what’s happening in the song or even for him “allowing” her to share his stage? That a woman is there as a equal performer and interpreter or Maybe even was allowing him to share HER stage is unthinkable to the sexists. I bet he reached out to her because she was the IT girl, she was everywhere for a while and he needed the lift in TV advertising.

Actually you have that completely wrong !!!...

Prince was working with Misty well before her appointment as principle Ballerina in 2015

in fact it was 6 years before :she appeared in Crimson and CLover in 2009 as a relative unknown

It could be argued that her association with Prince helped her career..

In fact she credits Prince with giving her confidence...

so NO...

he didnt need the lift..

he GAVE her one...

[Edited 12/11/18 23:03pm]

[Edited 12/11/18 23:13pm]

Good articles and I had never seen that video about Prince's involvement with the Joffrey Ballet included with the second one. According to that article Misty first danced for Prince at a show in Paris. Thanks!

[Edited 12/12/18 17:44pm]

ChocolateBox3121 said:

I saw Keith on the cover of Rolling Stone today and I just shook my head. Why couldn't that have been Prince and not Keith?

Huh? The Rolling Stones & The Beatles are always more likely to get on the cover of Rolling Stone than acts mainly popular in the 1980s. The magazine is called "Rolling Stone".

Krystalkisses said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Yeah, I know what you mean. She was just breaking into her own though. I think become a Prince wife at the budding of her career, might not have been fair to her.

Yeah I can understand that. I mean though that the girl didn't have to necessarily be her. I mean hell I would have been ok if he married Bria or someone like her just as long as she gave him geninue love. Yet he always seemed to waste his time with the most self absorbed women and honestly to me that says something about his judgement. Honestly I've noticed his past girlfriends seem to have alot of anger/ rage issues it seems like...i mean, WTF Prince?????

I agree. Honestly I began to realize that he probably wasn't going to marry again after Bria and he started dating the young ones again. I thought he and Andy were cute during their time together even with the age difference but knew that was going to be short lived.When he said in the last interview with RS that he was leaving whether he married again up to God and it would have had to have been like a force that he couldn't escape,I didn't think that he seemed that keen on the idea. I guess he may have been afraid to go there again or hadn't found anyone who he felt that strongly about.

pinkcashmere23 said:

Krystalkisses said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

I agree. Honestly I began to realize that he probably wasn't going to marry again after Bria and he started dating the young ones again. I thought he and Andy were cute during their time together even with the age difference but knew that was going to be short lived.When he said in the last interview with RS that he was leaving whether he married again up to God and it would have had to have been like a force that he couldn't escape,I didn't think that he seemed that keen on the idea. I guess he may have been afraid to go there again or hadn't found anyone who he felt that strongly about.

Right. Well I guess it was just all apart of his incredible journey.even though I usually never like to say something so fatalistic.

Yeah. I do think that he may have missed the emotional connection and security of a loving relationship at times from the lyrics of some of the later songs and the way that he was talking during the P&M shows. He seemed to be reflecting and reminiscing about past loves a lot. I just recently listened to one from Oakland and he talked about Vanity a bit which was nice to hear.

[Edited 12/12/18 16:38pm]

pinkcashmere23 said:

muchtoofast said:

Lovejunky said:

I have a friend that does Pole dancing...

Yes..its more of an art form than a suggestive display...

I think its important to distinguish the difference between Pole Dancing and say Twerking..

IMO...One of them calls you to think "wow the strength and agility it takes"

whilst the other is more about

"See this arse' ? Do ya wanna........?"

The opening of Legs is nothing new to dancing is it ? ...its par for the course..and woman have Vaginas in between them ..so what....?

But when you get down on all fours and shake that booty...well..woman also have bootys,

but for me I find the way that Twerkers move very far from Liberating or empowering...

or artful...Its just suggestive provocative and kind of Gross....

WHen that Minaj girl gets down on the floor...I just cringe....

Cant compare that to Pole dancing, where the objective is to be strong...

Pole dancing naked while creepy men throw dollar bills at you is a bit different from using a pole as a way to dance, exercise and express yourself in a safe non sexual environment. When Baryshnikov jumps with his legs spread does anyone think he is presenting his penis to us? No, he’s jumping to get where he wants to go, and just so happens to have a penis. Yes, Misty has a vagina, but also yes, Baryshnikov has a penis.

You make me clutch my pearls.

MickyDolenz said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

I saw Keith on the cover of Rolling Stone today and I just shook my head. Why couldn't that have been Prince and not Keith?

Huh? The Rolling Stones & The Beatles are always more likely to get on the cover of Rolling Stone than acts mainly popular in the 1980s. The magazine is called "Rolling Stone".

ChockyBox is saying she wish Keith were dead instead of P.

Krystalkisses said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Yeah. I do think that he may have missed the emotional connection and security of a loving relationship at times from the lyrics of some of the later songs and the way that he was talking during the P&M shows. He seemed to be reflecting and reminiscing about past loves a lot. I just recently listened to one from Oakland and he talked about Vanity a bit which was nice to hear.

[Edited 12/12/18 16:38pm]

It is nice to imagine them reunited . <3

Yes it is.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

I saw a cute clip from an interview where Misty took questions from children who are aspiring ballerinas: www.twitter.com/vuecinema...1387485184

muchtoofast said:

onlyforaminute said:

Yeah, I'm old enough to remember when watching Ricky Ricardo, pull Lucy over his lap to spank her like a child for disobeying him was hilarious and cute. Not so funny anymore to me. Ideals change, sometimes for the better. The violence comes because of the way of thinking is to devalue women who aren't where "certain" people think they should be.

Things don’t change in a vacuum. It takes anger, sympathy, empathy, sarcasm, education, discussion, time, etc to change things. You (or anyone) might want your daughters to be pole dancing strippers, but that is not okay with me and yes I will judge you harshly. But the article that is associated with this thread is talking about the race issue not just the women issue. [Edited 12/12/18 15:28pm]

And your "judgement" means what in the scheme of things? I'm just saying views change and the change starts somewhere.


I left the article alone because I really don't know the guy who is doing the calendar or his work so I really can't say much on how often or how he places black people in his calendars. I kind of get the argument but still it's kind of flat because at the end of the day Misty still is at the top of her game and that's what counts.

I have represented "pole dancers" and your "opinions" and "judgment" about these women is not exactly true.