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Reply #30 posted 09/05/18 2:39pm

PeteSilas

violetcrush said:

PeteSilas said:

ya i guess chaka mad about it.

Yes, the "chaka mad" comedy schtick done by Kevin at Prince's expense confused However, it was quite an interesting account of life at PP with Prince and his state of mind during that time....

ya it was, i didn't really like kevin but i still watched the whole thing, only because info wasn't that easy to come by at any point in prince's career. now there is a flood of info and thankfully, most of it is way more positive on the whole.

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Reply #31 posted 09/06/18 11:48pm

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Jill Jones has written liner notes for the upcoming Prince album release "Piano & A Microphone 1983".
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Reply #32 posted 09/07/18 10:52am

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Latin said:

Jill Jones has written liner notes for the upcoming Prince album release "Piano & A Microphone 1983".

Seriously? neutral

Add 1 more reason I won't be buying it.

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Reply #33 posted 09/07/18 11:20am

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Latin said:

Jill Jones has written liner notes for the upcoming Prince album release "Piano & A Microphone 1983".

That's AWESOME! Jill is the MOST honest out of ALL Prince's proteges...

"4 all of us, life is death without adventure,& adventure only comes 2 those who are willing 2 b daring & take chances." prince AMA's 1985
“When eye say, ‘eye own “Purple Rain,” eye sound like Kanye.” He paused.“Who eye consider a friend.”
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Reply #34 posted 09/07/18 1:28pm

violetcrush

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Latin said:

Jill Jones has written liner notes for the upcoming Prince album release "Piano & A Microphone 1983".

That's AWESOME! Jill is the MOST honest out of ALL Prince's proteges...

I think she is honest about her perceptions of how or why things happened; however, as we've come to know with Prince, those recollections may not have been how Prince viewed or perceived those situations. She was one of many in the "harem" at that time, but I do think there is some credibility there based on the fact that she was a backup singer during that time, and on stage during the 1999 tour.

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There have been some statements she's made of late that are not credible, and seem to be coming from an emotional and somewhat bitter place.

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Reply #35 posted 09/07/18 8:23pm

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violetcrush said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

That's AWESOME! Jill is the MOST honest out of ALL Prince's proteges...

I think she is honest about her perceptions of how or why things happened; however, as we've come to know with Prince, those recollections may not have been how Prince viewed or perceived those situations. She was one of many in the "harem" at that time, but I do think there is some credibility there based on the fact that she was a backup singer during that time, and on stage during the 1999 tour.

*

There have been some statements she's made of late that are not credible, and seem to be coming from an emotional and somewhat bitter place.

Have U met and partied with Miss Jill Jones?

"4 all of us, life is death without adventure,& adventure only comes 2 those who are willing 2 b daring & take chances." prince AMA's 1985
“When eye say, ‘eye own “Purple Rain,” eye sound like Kanye.” He paused.“Who eye consider a friend.”
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Reply #36 posted 09/08/18 9:36am

violetcrush

ChocolateBox3121 said:

violetcrush said:

I think she is honest about her perceptions of how or why things happened; however, as we've come to know with Prince, those recollections may not have been how Prince viewed or perceived those situations. She was one of many in the "harem" at that time, but I do think there is some credibility there based on the fact that she was a backup singer during that time, and on stage during the 1999 tour.

*

There have been some statements she's made of late that are not credible, and seem to be coming from an emotional and somewhat bitter place.

Have U met and partied with Miss Jill Jones?

No I have notl; however, I have listened to her recent interviews. I doubt that she would tell a random fan she just met anything more or different regarding her personal experiences with Prince than what she has discussed in her interviews.

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Reply #37 posted 09/08/18 2:01pm

PeteSilas

violetcrush said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Have U met and partied with Miss Jill Jones?

No I have notl; however, I have listened to her recent interviews. I doubt that she would tell a random fan she just met anything more or different regarding her personal experiences with Prince than what she has discussed in her interviews.

my impressions of jill is that she's a bright person, haven't seen the negative stuff post death, not to say it doesn't exist but I'm sure if she wanted to get negative the first thing she'd do is confirm the wrist breaking rumor.

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Reply #38 posted 09/08/18 6:53pm

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PeteSilas said:

violetcrush said:

No I have notl; however, I have listened to her recent interviews. I doubt that she would tell a random fan she just met anything more or different regarding her personal experiences with Prince than what she has discussed in her interviews.

my impressions of jill is that she's a bright person, haven't seen the negative stuff post death, not to say it doesn't exist but I'm sure if she wanted to get negative the first thing she'd do is confirm the wrist breaking rumor.

Listen to her more recent Prince Podcast interview. Her negative comments were not directed at Prince, but at Wendy, Lisa and Susannah. She referred to them as the "plantation mistresses" who came in and took over. She also implied that Prince "had to get engaged to Susannah" - whatever that's supposed to mean. The comments were just ridiculous, and clearly came from a bitter place. Prince made his own choices, and didn't "have" to do anything, let alone "have" to get engaged at that time. Later, in another interview, she claimed that the Revolution were no more than a "Milli Vanilli" band, which implies that they did not have musical talent of their own. Unbelievable statement coming from a person who, as far as I know, cannot play any instrument. Her soul purpose on stage during the 1999 tour was to strut around in her bikini and trench coat doing occasional backing vocals along with Lisa. Completely unnecessary in my opinion, as Lisa always did just fine on her own with the backing vocals. I think Jill has a good voice, but don't think the stage thing was necessary.

*

Prior to Prince's death, in 2013, Jill did an interview on the Beautiful Nights blog where she had mainly negative things to say describing her time working with Prince - including saying it was 10 years of her life wasted, but she "got a good song out of it" One of the reader comments was no doubt Prince based on what was written - or it certainly seemed like a response from him.

*

I completely get that she had ups and downs with him, and that she sort of took a back seat after Purple Rain, but she should not blame Wendy, Lisa and/or Susannah for that situation. Prince was moving past the Vanity/Appollonia 6 crew and he was collaborating more with his own band to create new and different music. He was also focused on the relationship with Susannah - not monogamously because he never was, but he was still heavily involved with her. I'm sure that had to be a tough pill to swallow, so to speak.

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Reply #39 posted 09/08/18 9:28pm

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Goddess4Real said:



Guitarhero said:




Latin said:


Here is a new interview with Jill Jones produced by Good Day Sacramento CBS: https://gooddaysacramento...ill-jones/

Thank you Latin heart Your always here with the positivity yes peace to you.


[Edited 8/25/18 16:07pm]




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You are very welcome. smile
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Reply #40 posted 09/09/18 12:23pm

Latin

Jill has posted the following regarding Aretha Franklin:

"Prayers of love & light for this dear woman during her transition ❤️😥The incomparable Aretha Franklin. 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼😘thank you Lady for gracing us with your beautiful gift. #arethafranklin #maythelordbewithyou"

https://www.instagram.com...bvNrAjkL1/
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Reply #41 posted 09/09/18 1:37pm

PeteSilas

tell me who's podcast that was, i might have heard it, i'm listening to so many that i can't keep them all clear. I did see the blog, was it prince? maybe, sounded quasi-bitchy like he could sound when he wanted. I never got into her album, never listened but prince strung her and others along, can't blame her for being bitter, it's happened to me in both music and martial arts, wasting the best years of your life can leave you bitter. Prince should have cut these people loose if he had no use for them. sometimes he just wanted to control people, we can't forget that negative aspect in his character.

violetcrush said:

PeteSilas said:

my impressions of jill is that she's a bright person, haven't seen the negative stuff post death, not to say it doesn't exist but I'm sure if she wanted to get negative the first thing she'd do is confirm the wrist breaking rumor.

Listen to her more recent Prince Podcast interview. Her negative comments were not directed at Prince, but at Wendy, Lisa and Susannah. She referred to them as the "plantation mistresses" who came in and took over. She also implied that Prince "had to get engaged to Susannah" - whatever that's supposed to mean. The comments were just ridiculous, and clearly came from a bitter place. Prince made his own choices, and didn't "have" to do anything, let alone "have" to get engaged at that time. Later, in another interview, she claimed that the Revolution were no more than a "Milli Vanilli" band, which implies that they did not have musical talent of their own. Unbelievable statement coming from a person who, as far as I know, cannot play any instrument. Her soul purpose on stage during the 1999 tour was to strut around in her bikini and trench coat doing occasional backing vocals along with Lisa. Completely unnecessary in my opinion, as Lisa always did just fine on her own with the backing vocals. I think Jill has a good voice, but don't think the stage thing was necessary.

*

Prior to Prince's death, in 2013, Jill did an interview on the Beautiful Nights blog where she had mainly negative things to say describing her time working with Prince - including saying it was 10 years of her life wasted, but she "got a good song out of it" One of the reader comments was no doubt Prince based on what was written - or it certainly seemed like a response from him.

*

I completely get that she had ups and downs with him, and that she sort of took a back seat after Purple Rain, but she should not blame Wendy, Lisa and/or Susannah for that situation. Prince was moving past the Vanity/Appollonia 6 crew and he was collaborating more with his own band to create new and different music. He was also focused on the relationship with Susannah - not monogamously because he never was, but he was still heavily involved with her. I'm sure that had to be a tough pill to swallow, so to speak.

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Reply #42 posted 09/09/18 3:09pm

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These people were adults. They could've read the tea leaves and left like Denise did, even though she was the one person who should've stayed. If they believed in their talent and themselves, move along. Tired of Prince being blamed for other people's decisions and failures.
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Reply #43 posted 09/09/18 3:20pm

PeteSilas

endiadj said:

These people were adults. They could've read the tea leaves and left like Denise did, even though she was the one person who should've stayed. If they believed in their talent and themselves, move along. Tired of Prince being blamed for other people's decisions and failures.

that's right, it's all like that in hindsight, I learned from my dissapointments and stopped giving new people the chance, when i was young, i somehow brainwashed myself that things would be ok, that people wouldn't lie, in other words, i was naive, that ended by the time i was 30 but I had to go through heartbreak to get to that. So, when people come with some figment of their own imaginations that things can work out if you let them manipulate you, i tell them to go fuck themselves. I say to people who are older as much "are you a little kid?" shit, people are scum, prince did scummy things, but so does everyone else. I tell my own relatives to fuck off in a heartbeat, humanity is lost.

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Reply #44 posted 09/09/18 3:50pm

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PeteSilas said:

tell me who's podcast that was, i might have heard it, i'm listening to so many that i can't keep them all clear. I did see the blog, was it prince? maybe, sounded quasi-bitchy like he could sound when he wanted. I never got into her album, never listened but prince strung her and others along, can't blame her for being bitter, it's happened to me in both music and martial arts, wasting the best years of your life can leave you bitter. Prince should have cut these people loose if he had no use for them. sometimes he just wanted to control people, we can't forget that negative aspect in his character.

violetcrush said:

Listen to her more recent Prince Podcast interview. Her negative comments were not directed at Prince, but at Wendy, Lisa and Susannah. She referred to them as the "plantation mistresses" who came in and took over. She also implied that Prince "had to get engaged to Susannah" - whatever that's supposed to mean. The comments were just ridiculous, and clearly came from a bitter place. Prince made his own choices, and didn't "have" to do anything, let alone "have" to get engaged at that time. Later, in another interview, she claimed that the Revolution were no more than a "Milli Vanilli" band, which implies that they did not have musical talent of their own. Unbelievable statement coming from a person who, as far as I know, cannot play any instrument. Her soul purpose on stage during the 1999 tour was to strut around in her bikini and trench coat doing occasional backing vocals along with Lisa. Completely unnecessary in my opinion, as Lisa always did just fine on her own with the backing vocals. I think Jill has a good voice, but don't think the stage thing was necessary.

*

Prior to Prince's death, in 2013, Jill did an interview on the Beautiful Nights blog where she had mainly negative things to say describing her time working with Prince - including saying it was 10 years of her life wasted, but she "got a good song out of it" One of the reader comments was no doubt Prince based on what was written - or it certainly seemed like a response from him.

*

I completely get that she had ups and downs with him, and that she sort of took a back seat after Purple Rain, but she should not blame Wendy, Lisa and/or Susannah for that situation. Prince was moving past the Vanity/Appollonia 6 crew and he was collaborating more with his own band to create new and different music. He was also focused on the relationship with Susannah - not monogamously because he never was, but he was still heavily involved with her. I'm sure that had to be a tough pill to swallow, so to speak.

It was an interview on the Prince Podcast YT channel - awhile ago, not long after Prince passed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l76T0ZnDLN8&t=7354s

*

I'm sympathetic toward the ups and downs she had while in the Prince camp - mainly because she was young, he was (by most accounts) very influential and cleverly controlling, and most of those who spent time in the camp with him dealt with the same things. My only issue is the negative comments toward the others who were also there at the time - especially with regard to their musicianship or personal relationships with Prince. When statements like that are made it just comes across as bitter and spiteful.

[Edited 9/9/18 15:52pm]

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Reply #45 posted 09/09/18 4:20pm

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PeteSilas said:

tell me who's podcast that was, i might have heard it, i'm listening to so many that i can't keep them all clear. I did see the blog, was it prince? maybe, sounded quasi-bitchy like he could sound when he wanted. I never got into her album, never listened but prince strung her and others along, can't blame her for being bitter, it's happened to me in both music and martial arts, wasting the best years of your life can leave you bitter. Prince should have cut these people loose if he had no use for them. sometimes he just wanted to control people, we can't forget that negative aspect in his character.



You make it sound like he held them hostage. No one was forced to stay in his life. It's certainly not his fault when they wasted their best years.


"Time is space spent with U"
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Reply #46 posted 09/09/18 9:27pm

PeteSilas

CatB said:

PeteSilas said:

tell me who's podcast that was, i might have heard it, i'm listening to so many that i can't keep them all clear. I did see the blog, was it prince? maybe, sounded quasi-bitchy like he could sound when he wanted. I never got into her album, never listened but prince strung her and others along, can't blame her for being bitter, it's happened to me in both music and martial arts, wasting the best years of your life can leave you bitter. Prince should have cut these people loose if he had no use for them. sometimes he just wanted to control people, we can't forget that negative aspect in his character.



You make it sound like he held them hostage. No one was forced to stay in his life. It's certainly not his fault when they wasted their best years.


you don't really know what i'm talking about. people can get into your head and manipulate, especially when you're young, happens in all kinds of relationships. Prince never had any intention of making anyone a star after The Time left him, he didn't want stars he wanted people to control. It's the society we live in, it's run more on power than on competence, so, for instance, a Rosie Gaines would be fucked around with for a few years, promised this, promised that and none of it being serious. I caught on to it and stopped playing those games, most of our authority figures are there for their own agendas. Sorry to break that to you.

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Reply #47 posted 09/09/18 10:40pm

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PeteSilas said:

CatB said:



You make it sound like he held them hostage. No one was forced to stay in his life. It's certainly not his fault when they wasted their best years.


you don't really know what i'm talking about. people can get into your head and manipulate, especially when you're young, happens in all kinds of relationships. Prince never had any intention of making anyone a star after The Time left him, he didn't want stars he wanted people to control. It's the society we live in, it's run more on power than on competence, so, for instance, a Rosie Gaines would be fucked around with for a few years, promised this, promised that and none of it being serious. I caught on to it and stopped playing those games, most of our authority figures are there for their own agendas. Sorry to break that to you.

LIES! Carmen Elektra became a star,Tevin Campbell,Jerome Benton, Kristen Scott Thomas even won an Oscar after debuting in UTCM. Just to name a few. rolleyes

U seem like another so called fan on here that's hot & cold and fairweather. Depends on the day. disbelief

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"4 all of us, life is death without adventure,& adventure only comes 2 those who are willing 2 b daring & take chances." prince AMA's 1985
“When eye say, ‘eye own “Purple Rain,” eye sound like Kanye.” He paused.“Who eye consider a friend.”
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Reply #48 posted 09/09/18 11:26pm

endiadj

I believe he wanted Denise to be a star. He had the film and songs lined up for her/ V6, but ended up giving them to others. That's why I said I wish she would have stayed.
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Reply #49 posted 09/10/18 1:18am

CatB

PeteSilas said:

CatB said:



You make it sound like he held them hostage. No one was forced to stay in his life. It's certainly not his fault when they wasted their best years.


you don't really know what i'm talking about. people can get into your head and manipulate, especially when you're young, happens in all kinds of relationships. Prince never had any intention of making anyone a star after The Time left him, he didn't want stars he wanted people to control. It's the society we live in, it's run more on power than on competence, so, for instance, a Rosie Gaines would be fucked around with for a few years, promised this, promised that and none of it being serious. I caught on to it and stopped playing those games, most of our authority figures are there for their own agendas. Sorry to break that to you.



You're talking about your own life here, not about Prince.



"Time is space spent with U"
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Reply #50 posted 09/10/18 1:37am

PeteSilas

CatB said:

PeteSilas said:

you don't really know what i'm talking about. people can get into your head and manipulate, especially when you're young, happens in all kinds of relationships. Prince never had any intention of making anyone a star after The Time left him, he didn't want stars he wanted people to control. It's the society we live in, it's run more on power than on competence, so, for instance, a Rosie Gaines would be fucked around with for a few years, promised this, promised that and none of it being serious. I caught on to it and stopped playing those games, most of our authority figures are there for their own agendas. Sorry to break that to you.



You're talking about your own life here, not about Prince.



i'm talking about how people are, what i've observed and what i've heard about prince, what with all the games with rosie, ingrid, the time, jam and lewis, every indication is that he was fucking people around, it doesn't make him evil and he ain't the only one to do it. People get promised promotions, raises, anything to keep them around, just the way it is. If you're one of those fans that can't see the man's faults I won't waste time talking to you. I used to love laura richardson but boy we had issues with her myopic views of things, one was enough.

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Reply #51 posted 09/10/18 1:38am

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endiadj said:

I believe he wanted Denise to be a star. He had the film and songs lined up for her/ V6, but ended up giving them to others. That's why I said I wish she whould have stayed.

I always heard she left over money, in those days he was pretty stingy by most accounts. Alexander O'neal was suppossed to be the lead in the time but said "i didn't see a point in being a broke star".

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Reply #52 posted 09/10/18 1:43am

PeteSilas

ChocolateBox3121 said:

PeteSilas said:

you don't really know what i'm talking about. people can get into your head and manipulate, especially when you're young, happens in all kinds of relationships. Prince never had any intention of making anyone a star after The Time left him, he didn't want stars he wanted people to control. It's the society we live in, it's run more on power than on competence, so, for instance, a Rosie Gaines would be fucked around with for a few years, promised this, promised that and none of it being serious. I caught on to it and stopped playing those games, most of our authority figures are there for their own agendas. Sorry to break that to you.

LIES! Carmen Elektra became a star,Tevin Campbell,Jerome Benton, Kristen Scott Thomas even won an Oscar after debuting in UTCM. Just to name a few. rolleyes

U seem like another so called fan on here that's hot & cold and fairweather. Depends on the day. disbelief

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are we talking the same carmen who randy phillips and prince got in a fight over after randy told him "stop doing a&r with your dick"? Tevin became a crackhead and never really got that successful, jerome benton wasn't a musician and he didn't do much more than what he did with Prince, kristen scott was a pro actress and i don't think utcm helped her win shit. Not hot and cold at all, the man wasn't perfect, I try to see the good and bad in people. On the boxing site i'm on, someone said I had a "weird love hate for ali" furthest fucking thing from the truth, no hate at all, but he fucked up many many times, we all do, we're just people. Not gods.

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Reply #53 posted 09/10/18 2:02am

CatB

PeteSilas said:

CatB said:



You're talking about your own life here, not about Prince.



i'm talking about how people are, what i've observed and what i've heard about prince, what with all the games with rosie, ingrid, the time, jam and lewis, every indication is that he was fucking people around, it doesn't make him evil and he ain't the only one to do it. People get promised promotions, raises, anything to keep them around, just the way it is. If you're one of those fans that can't see the man's faults I won't waste time talking to you. I used to love laura richardson but boy we had issues with her myopic views of things, one was enough.



Again, you are talking about your own life, using your own filters on Prince and the people in his life.

Prince did have his faults, I know that myself and have talked about it but that's not the point here. You made it sound like he held people hostage in his life which is not true. That is the point. Those who wanted to go were free to go and many did so.

Those who decided to stay, even after being "fucked around" as you word it, did so out of their own interests.

Stop generalizing and blaming Prince for your experiences.


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Reply #54 posted 09/10/18 2:55am

PeteSilas

how about just not responding i'm not gonna, go to sleep, don't you work?

CatB said:

PeteSilas said:

i'm talking about how people are, what i've observed and what i've heard about prince, what with all the games with rosie, ingrid, the time, jam and lewis, every indication is that he was fucking people around, it doesn't make him evil and he ain't the only one to do it. People get promised promotions, raises, anything to keep them around, just the way it is. If you're one of those fans that can't see the man's faults I won't waste time talking to you. I used to love laura richardson but boy we had issues with her myopic views of things, one was enough.



Again, you are talking about your own life, using your own filters on Prince and the people in his life.

Prince did have his faults, I know that myself and have talked about it but that's not the point here. You made it sound like he held people hostage in his life which is not true. That is the point. Those who wanted to go were free to go and many did so.

Those who decided to stay, even after being "fucked around" as you word it, did so out of their own interests.

Stop generalizing and blaming Prince for your experiences.


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Reply #55 posted 09/10/18 6:19am

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PeteSilas said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

LIES! Carmen Elektra became a star,Tevin Campbell,Jerome Benton, Kristen Scott Thomas even won an Oscar after debuting in UTCM. Just to name a few. rolleyes

U seem like another so called fan on here that's hot & cold and fairweather. Depends on the day. disbelief

[Edited 9/9/18 22:41pm]

are we talking the same carmen who randy phillips and prince got in a fight over after randy told him "stop doing a&r with your dick"? Tevin became a crackhead and never really got that successful, jerome benton wasn't a musician and he didn't do much more than what he did with Prince, kristen scott was a pro actress and i don't think utcm helped her win shit. Not hot and cold at all, the man wasn't perfect, I try to see the good and bad in people. On the boxing site i'm on, someone said I had a "weird love hate for ali" furthest fucking thing from the truth, no hate at all, but he fucked up many many times, we all do, we're just people. Not gods.

Tevin had TWO platinum albums and was a teen idol.If that's not successful I don't know what else is.

Jerome co-starring in a movie with a superstar in UTCM, toured upfront with Prince on two tours & danced with Janet Jackson. That's pretty successful to me. U said "Prince never had any intention of making anyone a star after The Time left him". Thats not accurate.

NOONE knew who Kristen Scott Thomas was before UTCM.

U need to quit while U ahead. U have dug yourself so far in the ditch already. U just using more excuses to put Prince's character down. I WON'T stand for it!

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"4 all of us, life is death without adventure,& adventure only comes 2 those who are willing 2 b daring & take chances." prince AMA's 1985
“When eye say, ‘eye own “Purple Rain,” eye sound like Kanye.” He paused.“Who eye consider a friend.”
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Reply #56 posted 09/10/18 7:54am

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endiadj said:

I believe he wanted Denise to be a star. He had the film and songs lined up for her/ V6, but ended up giving them to others. That's why I said I wish she would have stayed. [Edited 9/10/18 4:02am]

If you look at Vanity's career in the 1982-1986 period she was pretty popular

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Reply #57 posted 09/10/18 12:18pm

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ChocolateBox3121 said:

PeteSilas said:

are we talking the same carmen who randy phillips and prince got in a fight over after randy told him "stop doing a&r with your dick"? Tevin became a crackhead and never really got that successful, jerome benton wasn't a musician and he didn't do much more than what he did with Prince, kristen scott was a pro actress and i don't think utcm helped her win shit. Not hot and cold at all, the man wasn't perfect, I try to see the good and bad in people. On the boxing site i'm on, someone said I had a "weird love hate for ali" furthest fucking thing from the truth, no hate at all, but he fucked up many many times, we all do, we're just people. Not gods.

Tevin had TWO platinum albums and was a teen idol.If that's not successful I don't know what else is.

Jerome co-starring in a movie with a superstar in UTCM, toured upfront with Prince on two tours & danced with Janet Jackson. That's pretty successful to me. U said "Prince never had any intention of making anyone a star after The Time left him". Thats not accurate.

NOONE knew who Kristen Scott Thomas was before UTCM.

U need to quit while U ahead. U have dug yourself so far in the ditch already. U just using more excuses to put Prince's character down. I WON'T stand for it!

[Edited 9/10/18 8:13am]

I think Pete was referring more to the longevity of the associates' careers - not their popularity while working with Prince.

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Tevin was a teen idol?? Was he strictly R&B, because I don't remember him being a big name through the 90's.

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Jerome co-starrred in UTCM, but remember, the film flopped at the box office. I don't recall him moving on to bigger celebrity status after that. I really like Jerome, and he was great with Morris in PR, and fun to watch in UTCM, but he is not a musician or actor, and he hasn't had a career as such.

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Kristin Scott Thomas was only 19 when she did UTCM - yes it was her first feature film, and I seriously doubt it helped her acting career move forward. The critics hated the movie and she got poor reviews. I would guess it took her awhile to build her career from that point. Her next larger role in a feature film didn't happen until 1994 with Four Wedding's And A Funeral (one of my favorite films), and then she was off and running. Prince had absolutely nothing to do with her going on to win the Academy Award for The English Patient (an amazing film) - she did that on her own and with her own merits. That being said, I'm sure doing UTCM was a good experience for her, and she learned from it.

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Carmen E - don't think there is really much to say on this one. The kind of celebrity that she has had (Playboy spreads, reality shows, tabloid marriages) is not really the kind of celebrity most aspire to have. I will say that Prince was smart in giving her the name, and she worked hard to take it and run with it, and to keep herself in the "celebrity of sorts" mix.

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Reply #58 posted 09/10/18 2:21pm

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OldFriends4Sale said:

endiadj said:

I believe he wanted Denise to be a star. He had the film and songs lined up for her/ V6, but ended up giving them to others. That's why I said I wish she would have stayed. [Edited 9/10/18 4:02am]

If you look at Vanity's career in the 1982-1986 period she was pretty popular

There is no doubt that Prince gave Vanity (Denise) recognition and her "celebrity" status with Vanity 6. She most likely would have continued that ride with Purple Rain, although, Appollonia's personality fit more with the comedic/fun side of the film. Vanity's singing and acting skills were strictly average, which is why her records were not chart toppers and she ended up with B movies and/or bit parts on TV shows. Then the drugs took over. Had she not become addicted she may have been able to sustain her career at that level. I do think she was the most successful out of all of Prince's proteges after leaving the Prince camp in terms of remaining in the public eye for music and acting.

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I think the toughest break for Vanity was not being able to do the Scorsese movie in 1983. That role may have changed her entire career path. Unfortunately, the world was not ready for a movie about Jesus Christ at that time.

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Reply #59 posted 09/10/18 3:24pm

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violetcrush said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

If you look at Vanity's career in the 1982-1986 period she was pretty popular

There is no doubt that Prince gave Vanity (Denise) recognition and her "celebrity" status with Vanity 6. She most likely would have continued that ride with Purple Rain, although, Appollonia's personality fit more with the comedic/fun side of the film. Vanity's singing and acting skills were strictly average, which is why her records were not chart toppers and she ended up with B movies and/or bit parts on TV shows. Then the drugs took over. Had she not become addicted she may have been able to sustain her career at that level. I do think she was the most successful out of all of Prince's proteges after leaving the Prince camp in terms of remaining in the public eye for music and acting.

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I think the toughest break for Vanity was not being able to do the Scorsese movie in 1983. That role may have changed her entire career path. Unfortunately, the world was not ready for a movie about Jesus Christ at that time.

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compared to how fanatical she got, he probably woulda killed herself over that one. she was gorgeous but I never understood any of the fan's fawning over her, she had no talent. I don't even get why Prince liked women with that little to offer upstairs, I mean, a beauty is great but what do you do when you're not fucking? Not just vanity, mayte was dumb as a post too.

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