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EmmaMcG said:

Jesus Christ, is she having a laugh with those prices?

I love Susannah. She has been nothing but a sweet person to me one on one.

But the prices are really high to begin with.

I don't want 2 be mean but who wud want 2 wear a tank top/ T-shirt/ hoody that had the words Starfish & Coffee Maple Syrup & Jam on the front in large writing? I think the merchandise looks tacky. A bad idea. It looks like Susannah is desperate 2 make money anyway that she can

jungleluv said:

I get that a girl's gotta eat, but this is a bit on the tacky side. It's difficult to see Prince's memory used as a platform like this. Her prices are high, but I've seen similar price points at merch tables at concerts I've been to recently.

jungleluv said:

I don't want 2 be mean but who wud want 2 wear a tank top/ T-shirt/ hoody that had the words Starfish & Coffee Maple Syrup & Jam on the front in large writing? I think the merchandise looks tacky. A bad idea. It looks like Susannah is desperate 2 make money anyway that she can

These styles of t-shirts are popular, whether you have seen them or not.
There is a Golden Girls one. and I think I remember seeing one with the Revolution's names on it, too.

Questlove wears them, but who else? I think I saw him wearing a Prince one the night Janet Jackson was on Jimmy Fallon. "Andre & ....

eugenius said:

I get that a girl's gotta eat, but this is a bit on the tacky side. It's difficult to see Prince's memory used as a platform like this. Her prices are high, but I've seen similar price points at merch tables at concerts I've been to recently.

Prince himself always sold merchandise for his music/likeness throughout his career, and wore it himself. She has co-writing credit on this song. The song and story were important to Prince, and he played the song in concerts throughout the years. He also performed the song in '96 on the Muppets show. It was her story that inspired Prince to write the song. Nothing wrong with her promoting both the song and the story.

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I believe someone else had begun selling the lyric t-shirts to profit off of the song, which were written incorrectly. There was an extra "&" written into the words. Susannah was contacted about it, and then decided to create her own shirts/merchandise with the correct lyric. I believe she is also donating a percentage of any profits to a charity/foundation that supports research for Autism.

TrivialPursuit said:

jungleluv said:

I don't want 2 be mean but who wud want 2 wear a tank top/ T-shirt/ hoody that had the words Starfish & Coffee Maple Syrup & Jam on the front in large writing? I think the merchandise looks tacky. A bad idea. It looks like Susannah is desperate 2 make money anyway that she can

These styles of t-shirts are popular, whether you have seen them or not.
There is a Golden Girls one. and I think I remember seeing one with the Revolution's names on it, too.

Those who love the song/lyrics will wear the shirts. There are tons of shirts like this on the market - many other Prince related shirts too. I actually like the coffee mugs and the Starfish logo....

Latin said:

Susannah has posted the following on Twitter regarding "The Dream Factory": "The Dream Factory track reference’s St. Paul in only one line...Prince did not write the song about Paul.. Prince’s Dream Factory was real and filled with joy and wonder..."

Very nice! Thanks Latin

pinkcashmere23 said:

Latin said:

Susannah has posted the following on Twitter regarding "The Dream Factory": "The Dream Factory track reference’s St. Paul in only one line...Prince did not write the song about Paul.. Prince’s Dream Factory was real and filled with joy and wonder..."

Very nice! Thanks Latin

Yes, the biggest retaliation toward St Paul was during the March 1986 1st Avenue Parade show when he sang the infamous "St Paul, punk of the month!!" during their performance of the song Mutiny. Paul has talked about that and laughed about it. Love that show!!!

violetcrush said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Very nice! Thanks Latin

Yes, the biggest retaliation toward St Paul was during the March 1986 1st Avenue Parade show when he sang the infamous "St Paul, punk of the month!!" during their performance of the song Mutiny. Paul has talked about that and laughed about it. Love that show!!!

I had read that the song was inspired by Paul so I am glad that she said that. I also love that she said "Prince's Dream Factory was real and filled with joy and wonder." I haven't heard that show. I'm going to see if I can track it down. Thanks!

pinkcashmere23 said:

violetcrush said:

Yes, the biggest retaliation toward St Paul was during the March 1986 1st Avenue Parade show when he sang the infamous "St Paul, punk of the month!!" during their performance of the song Mutiny. Paul has talked about that and laughed about it. Love that show!!!

I had read that the song was inspired by Paul so I am glad that she said that. I also love that she said "Prince's Dream Factory was real and filled with joy and wonder." I haven't heard that show. I'm going to see if I can track it down. Thanks!

Oh, it's a GREAT show!! It was their "tryout" for the Parade tour. It had been posted on YT awhile back for a short time. I'm sure it's been deleted, but I grabbed it before it disappeared The post was video of the show, with a small portion of just audio where the picture cut off.

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I think the reason why Dream Factory was rumored to be about Paul is because of Prince's Crystal Ball liner notes:

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"Dream Factory - written 4 a turn coat, who after
a quick brush with success, lost themselves in a
haze of wine, women and pills... or so the fiction
goes? This person is not Prince - "Listen 2 the
story of a man I am not". Susannah sang background,
and Prince played all the instruments."

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Could be about any number of people who had left his camp by that point, but Paul was a good guess

violetcrush said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

I had read that the song was inspired by Paul so I am glad that she said that. I also love that she said "Prince's Dream Factory was real and filled with joy and wonder." I haven't heard that show. I'm going to see if I can track it down. Thanks!

Oh, it's a GREAT show!! It was their "tryout" for the Parade tour. It had been posted on YT awhile back for a short time. I'm sure it's been deleted, but I grabbed it before it disappeared The post was video of the show, with a small portion of just audio where the picture cut off.

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I think the reason why Dream Factory was rumored to be about Paul is because of Prince's Crystal Ball liner notes:

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"Dream Factory - written 4 a turn coat, who after
a quick brush with success, lost themselves in a
haze of wine, women and pills... or so the fiction
goes? This person is not Prince - "Listen 2 the
story of a man I am not". Susannah sang background,
and Prince played all the instruments."

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Could be about any number of people who had left his camp by that point, but Paul was a good guess

Sorry I missed it! I'll see if I can at least find the audio of it. Yes the liner notes made me think of Paul. "Dream Factory" has always been a favorite of mine and I found the lyrics intriguing upon first listen.

pinkcashmere23 said:

violetcrush said:

Oh, it's a GREAT show!! It was their "tryout" for the Parade tour. It had been posted on YT awhile back for a short time. I'm sure it's been deleted, but I grabbed it before it disappeared The post was video of the show, with a small portion of just audio where the picture cut off.

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I think the reason why Dream Factory was rumored to be about Paul is because of Prince's Crystal Ball liner notes:

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"Dream Factory - written 4 a turn coat, who after
a quick brush with success, lost themselves in a
haze of wine, women and pills... or so the fiction
goes? This person is not Prince - "Listen 2 the
story of a man I am not". Susannah sang background,
and Prince played all the instruments."

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Could be about any number of people who had left his camp by that point, but Paul was a good guess

Sorry I missed it! I'll see if I can at least find the audio of it. Yes the liner notes made me think of Paul. "Dream Factory" has always been a favorite of mine and I found the lyrics intriguing upon first listen.

Yes, I love everything from that period - Movie Star, the original Crystal Ball, original Witness 4 The Prosecution, and all the others!!

violetcrush said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Sorry I missed it! I'll see if I can at least find the audio of it. Yes the liner notes made me think of Paul. "Dream Factory" has always been a favorite of mine and I found the lyrics intriguing upon first listen.

Yes, I love everything from that period - Movie Star, the original Crystal Ball, original Witness 4 The Prosecution, and all the others!!

Me too! I love the SOTT outtakes!

pinkcashmere23 said:

violetcrush said:

Yes, I love everything from that period - Movie Star, the original Crystal Ball, original Witness 4 The Prosecution, and all the others!!

Me too! I love the SOTT outtakes!

I do love the released SOTT, but it's just unbelievable how many fantastic songs were dropped for that record. The two '86 configurations of Dream Factory/Crystal Ball are just amazing. Would love for the Estate to release the June 3rd originals. From princevault:

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So many amazing songs! It would be wonderful if the estate could do that! I was pleased to see that "Crucial" and "Dream Factory" were included on Antholgy.

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pinkcashmere23 said:

It is important to note that those album sequences are usually acetate test pressings. So, that means they failed some sort of playback test if they didn't come out that way.

Or a bad board meeting at Warner Bros.

Cinny said:

It is important to note that those album sequences are usually acetate test pressings. So, that means they failed some sort of playback test if they didn't come out that way.

Or a bad board meeting at Warner Bros.

I'm guessing the bad WB board meeting is more likely, as it was not much longer before he had to scrap the 3 Disc idea, and come up with a double album sequence

Latin said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Very nice! Thanks Latin

You are very welcome.

Well, I think the Dream Factory album sequence of songs as a whole was very wonderous and joyfoul, especially for Susannah and her time with Prince then....however, the lyrics of the actual song seem to speak specifically to or about a particular person The second half of the 2nd verse speaks to Paul ("he told me I was a saint"), but I think the song as a whole is describing him leaving the camp for his own deal, and Prince's resentment of that choice.

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This is what it's like in the Dream Factory, oh!

[Verse 1]
Hollyrock ain't all it seems (Lordy)
Don't get to serious, it's just a dream
Don't forget your friends, they're all you have got (Lordy)
Listen to the story of a man I am not
Party all night, hanging out
In the streets more than I be at home
I take a pill to wipe away my doubts
But a pill can't cure my being alone
Vodka and seven straight to my brain
Put me under false impressions, hide all my pain
Somebody help me, I'm losing control

[Refrain]
This is what it's like in the Dream Factory, oh!

[Verse 2]
Everybody got the big dreams (Hey Lordy)
But nobody got the bucks
Love and trust will help you make it in a world (Everybody)
Where there ain't no love, ain't no love
Dig
A man came up to me, smile in his eyes
He told me I was a saint
So I'm quitting my friends much to their surprise
I can't live up to the picture that they paint
Ah somebody help me, I'm losing control (Ow!)

[Refrain]
This is what it's like in the Dream Factory, oh!

[Bridge]
La, la, la, la, la (Sucker)
Got to drive
(It's just a dream)
Look out
Do you want to party?
Do want a pill?
How about a false impression?
(Thrills, spills, chills)

[Refrain]
This is what it's like in the Dream Factory, oh!

[Verse 3]
Ow! Yeah
Up a little bit
(Dream factory, oh)
Party all night, hang up on the side, I said "Uh"
(Do you wanna party?)
I can't make up my mind
(How about a false impression?)
I can't seem to live with no pictures (Thrills, spills, chills)
Somebody got to help me! (Just a sucker)
I'm losing control (Just a sucker)
I guess I'm just a sucker in the dream factory, oh!

[Edited 9/7/18 14:32pm]

violetcrush said:

Latin said:

pinkcashmere23 said: You are very welcome.

Well, I think the Dream Factory album sequence of songs as a whole was very wonderous and joyfoul, especially for Susannah and her time with Prince then....however, the lyrics of the actual song seem to speak specifically to or about a particular person The second half of the 2nd verse speaks to Paul ("he told me I was a saint"), but I think the song as a whole is describing him leaving the camp for his own deal, and Prince's resentment of that choice.

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This is what it's like in the Dream Factory, oh!

[Verse 1]
Hollyrock ain't all it seems (Lordy)
Don't get to serious, it's just a dream
Don't forget your friends, they're all you have got (Lordy)
Listen to the story of a man I am not
Party all night, hanging out
In the streets more than I be at home
I take a pill to wipe away my doubts
But a pill can't cure my being alone
Vodka and seven straight to my brain
Put me under false impressions, hide all my pain
Somebody help me, I'm losing control

[Refrain]
This is what it's like in the Dream Factory, oh!

[Verse 2]
Everybody got the big dreams (Hey Lordy)
But nobody got the bucks
Love and trust will help you make it in a world (Everybody)
Where there ain't no love, ain't no love
Dig
A man came up to me, smile in his eyes
He told me I was a saint
So I'm quitting my friends much to their surprise
I can't live up to the picture that they paint
Ah somebody help me, I'm losing control (Ow!)

[Refrain]
This is what it's like in the Dream Factory, oh!

[Bridge]
La, la, la, la, la (Sucker)
Got to drive
(It's just a dream)
Look out
Do you want to party?
Do want a pill?
How about a false impression?
(Thrills, spills, chills)

[Refrain]
This is what it's like in the Dream Factory, oh!

[Verse 3]
Ow! Yeah
Up a little bit
(Dream factory, oh)
Party all night, hang up on the side, I said "Uh"
(Do you wanna party?)
I can't make up my mind
(How about a false impression?)
I can't seem to live with no pictures (Thrills, spills, chills)
Somebody got to help me! (Just a sucker)
I'm losing control (Just a sucker)
I guess I'm just a sucker in the dream factory, oh!

[Edited 9/7/18 14:32pm]

As I was listening to it again,I was thinking the same.

pinkcashmere23 said:

violetcrush said:

Well, I think the Dream Factory album sequence of songs as a whole was very wonderous and joyfoul, especially for Susannah and her time with Prince then....however, the lyrics of the actual song seem to speak specifically to or about a particular person The second half of the 2nd verse speaks to Paul ("he told me I was a saint"), but I think the song as a whole is describing him leaving the camp for his own deal, and Prince's resentment of that choice.

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This is what it's like in the Dream Factory, oh!

[Verse 1]
Hollyrock ain't all it seems (Lordy)
Don't get to serious, it's just a dream
Don't forget your friends, they're all you have got (Lordy)
Listen to the story of a man I am not
Party all night, hanging out
In the streets more than I be at home
I take a pill to wipe away my doubts
But a pill can't cure my being alone
Vodka and seven straight to my brain
Put me under false impressions, hide all my pain
Somebody help me, I'm losing control

[Refrain]
This is what it's like in the Dream Factory, oh!

[Verse 2]
Everybody got the big dreams (Hey Lordy)
But nobody got the bucks
Love and trust will help you make it in a world (Everybody)
Where there ain't no love, ain't no love
Dig
A man came up to me, smile in his eyes
He told me I was a saint
So I'm quitting my friends much to their surprise
I can't live up to the picture that they paint
Ah somebody help me, I'm losing control (Ow!)

[Refrain]
This is what it's like in the Dream Factory, oh!

[Bridge]
La, la, la, la, la (Sucker)
Got to drive
(It's just a dream)
Look out
Do you want to party?
Do want a pill?
How about a false impression?
(Thrills, spills, chills)

[Refrain]
This is what it's like in the Dream Factory, oh!

[Verse 3]
Ow! Yeah
Up a little bit
(Dream factory, oh)
Party all night, hang up on the side, I said "Uh"
(Do you wanna party?)
I can't make up my mind
(How about a false impression?)
I can't seem to live with no pictures (Thrills, spills, chills)
Somebody got to help me! (Just a sucker)
I'm losing control (Just a sucker)
I guess I'm just a sucker in the dream factory, oh!

[Edited 9/7/18 14:32pm]

As I was listening to it again,I was thinking the same.

Yes, I do think the "Dream Factory" compilation and period was a very wonderful time for them, but I have to say that I think this song in its entirety was inspired by Prince's anger with Paul leaving the camp and The Family.

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The fact that he sings the chorus to this song in the middle of Mutiny at the March '86 1st Avenue show is another big indication. He has the backup guys (Jerome, Greg, Wally) chanting, "St Paul, punk of the month!!" as well, and Prince literally calls Paul out during the song (Paul, you out there? If he is, he's lookin' for them car keys now!")

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I only more recently saw this show on video, and when they performed Mutiny I was like, whoaaaa!! Prince was really pissed off!!!

violetcrush said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

As I was listening to it again,I was thinking the same.

Yes, I do think the "Dream Factory" compilation and period was a very wonderful time for them, but I have to say that I think this song in its entirety was inspired by Prince's anger with Paul leaving the camp and The Family.

*

The fact that he sings the chorus to this song in the middle of Mutiny at the March '86 1st Avenue show is another big indication. He has the backup guys (Jerome, Greg, Wally) chanting, "St Paul, punk of the month!!" as well, and Prince literally calls Paul out during the song (Paul, you out there? If he is, he's lookin' for them car keys now!")

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I only more recently saw this show on video, and when they performed Mutiny I was like, whoaaaa!! Prince was really pissed off!!!

Wow. Sounds like he was! That's interesting that he sang the chorus of "Dream Factory" during Mutiny with the chants. Seems that he was aiming the whole song at Paul. I'll have to track down that show!