Mind blowing...shady as fuck...so many stones left unturned and a handful of THE most importnat people totally let off with no real interrogation.

anangellooksdown said:

“He was having hip problems and becoming more withdrawn.” I didn’t know “Like a Prayer” by Madonna was written by Prince? I feel some crazy/self+serving people were around Prince and playing power games around who was going to handle him and how. Just be honest! It’s not that friggin’ hsrd. All I can be reminded of this morning is the problems Van Jones had at the White House. People’s memories are very short! I think he’s sort of wishy-washy to say the east. He also doesn’t stick with projects. And I’m getting more and more concerned that although Van has portrayed Phaedra as an effective, life-changing black woman, that is just him forwarding his/their own desires for success and image.van is concerned with image, Ive seen it before. I think he cares about things and Prince, but his other stuff gets in the way of him being totally committed. Yes, I am growing more concerned about the selfish motives Prince was used for by some people. I haven’t read a lot of the investigation reports so I can just speak for what I’ve read so far. My opinion may change. Van Jones is beginning to be seen by me as way too idealistic and emotional...and I have to wonder if he knows what real, consistent honesty is under all that. I think he’s basically a good guy but there could be some improvement there. I am sorry to be feeling suspicious now, because he does such a good job telling g us about the best of Prince. He’s good at that and being the man behind someone, but do other things always go on as well, that we don’t see? His extreme idealism just makes me wonder if things really get done honestly? No wonder people who really cared about Prince always felt they had to have his back. He was a lot more vulnerable than we thought, especially as he got sicker with his physical pain problems. I am Only hoping he himself didn’t want to take cash from the concerts in a way he said he wouldn’t.

When did Van Jones ever make Phaedra's race an issue, as you seem to be doing here?

rogifan said:

Who is Debra Johnson?

That was my first question, as well.

rogifan said:

Who is Debra Johnson?

She said that she was Prince's business/finance manager from 2013-14.The phone interview with authorities was posted on the Prince Getting To The Truth Facebook. It's definitely worth listening to.

pinkcashmere23 said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

rogifan said:

Who is Debra Johnson?

She said that she was Prince's business/finance manager from 2013-14.The phone interview with authorities was posted on the Prince Getting To The Truth Facebook. It's definitely worth listening to.

Thank you!! I was trying to find the interview. After listening to Debra Johnson, all is can say is this: WOOOOOWWW.

If what she says is true, Phaedra Ellis-Lamkins owns Prince's catalog publishing rights???? Did I hear her correctly??? If this is accurate, how in the world has Phaedra been able to avoid being questioned by the police? Also, if true, Prince could not have been of sound mind at the time that deal was struck. I'm stunned. I mean, WHY is this news just emerging.

endiadj said:

Seems post PR era Prince surrounded himself with so many shady people. It's like his judgement took a turn for the worse in so many instances, professionally, romantically, etc.

The "post-PR era" included more than the last three decades of his life. Also, unfortunately, wherever there are vast sums of money, shady folks are usually not far behind. It's really sad that Prince didn't have some family (or a wife) whom he could trust to oversee his business affairs...and to take care of him. This story gets sadder with each passing day.

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FlyOnTheWall said:

endiadj said:

Seems post PR era Prince surrounded himself with so many shady people. It's like his judgement took a turn for the worse in so many instances, professionally, romantically, etc.

The "post-PR era" included more than the last three decades of his life. Also, unfortunately, wherever there are vast sums of money, shady folks are usually not far behind. It's really sad that Prince didn't have some family (or a wife) whom he could trust to oversee his business affairs...and to take care of him. This story gets sadder with each passing day.

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It really is quite sad.Things didn't seem to be in such disarray during the 2010-2013 period.He seemed to be more in control of things.I feel that after Mani,he didn't intend to marry again and he didn't seem to be seeking a substantial relationship during that time.I actually thought he might marry Bria since they shared the same faith and she was from Minneapolis.They seemed to be getting more serious in 2010 when he took her on the 20ten tour in Europe.

Both Debra Johnson and Crystal Z's comments really opened my eyes! There are just no words for that level of shadiness!

FlyOnTheWall said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

She said that she was Prince's business/finance manager from 2013-14.The phone interview with authorities was posted on the Prince Getting To The Truth Facebook. It's definitely worth listening to.

Thank you!! I was trying to find the interview. After listening to Debra Johnson, all is can say is this: WOOOOOWWW.

If what she says is true, Phaedra Ellis-Lamkins owns Prince's catalog publishing rights???? Did I hear her correctly??? If this is accurate, how in the world has Phaedra been able to avoid being questioned by the police? Also, if true, Prince could not have been of sound mind at the time that deal was struck. I'm stunned. I mean, WHY is this news just emerging.

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Because she hired a Lawyer and she's not talking to investigators.

anangellooksdown said:

Just for the record... Mature men and women do not need a husband or wife to “take care” of them. How very illusory. [Edited 4/27/18 10:32am]

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I think Flyonthewall's comments about "taking care" of someone is referring to showing love and concern for someone.....having someone you can trust, etc.

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It's obvious that Prince was totally alone.

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cloveringold85 said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

Thank you!! I was trying to find the interview. After listening to Debra Johnson, all is can say is this: WOOOOOWWW.

If what she says is true, Phaedra Ellis-Lamkins owns Prince's catalog publishing rights???? Did I hear her correctly??? If this is accurate, how in the world has Phaedra been able to avoid being questioned by the police? Also, if true, Prince could not have been of sound mind at the time that deal was struck. I'm stunned. I mean, WHY is this news just emerging.

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Because she hired a Lawyer and she's not talking to investigators.

Lawyer, or no lawyer, if the police want to interrogate you, I thought you had no option. They could always question her in the presence of counsel.

FlyOnTheWall said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Because she hired a Lawyer and she's not talking to investigators.

Lawyer, or no lawyer, if the police want to interrogate you, I thought you had no option. They could always question her in the presence of counsel.

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I'm not a legal expert, but maybe if they wanted to open a federal case, she would have to talk.

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Any questions would have to go through her Lawyer first.

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Kirk did the same thing -- he never gave a statement to the police or detectives.

FlyOnTheWall said:

cloveringold85 said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

Lawyer, or no lawyer, if the police want to interrogate you, I thought you had no option. They could always question her in the presence of counsel.

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I'm not a legal expert, but maybe if they wanted to open a federal case, she would have to talk.

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Any questions would have to go through her Lawyer first.

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Kirk did the same thing -- he never gave a statement to the police or detectives.

Actually, Kirk did give a brief statement on April 21, 2016. It was released last week with the rest of the Carver County documents. After that, he retained counsel and offered no further statements.

cloveringold85 said:

anangellooksdown said:

Just for the record... Mature men and women do not need a husband or wife to “take care” of them. How very illusory. [Edited 4/27/18 10:32am]

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I think Flyonthewall's comments about "taking care" of someone is referring to showing love and concern for someone.....having someone you can trust, etc.

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It's obvious that Prince was totally alone.

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Thank you. No matter what thread I'm on, I can't seem to shake my stalker.

NotACleverName said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

Lawyer, or no lawyer, if the police want to interrogate you, I thought you had no option. They could always question her in the presence of counsel.

This was discussed in the death thread, part 8. ISLIJAG, the org's law expert, explained the 5th Amendment offers protection against providing LE a statement and testifying at trial as it relates to a crime. As an fwi, Phaedra, Kirk and Meron have denied repeated requests by LE to provide a statement. Anyhoo....back to the 5th Amendment of the Constitution: No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation. In other words, no US citizen can be forced to testify, whether voluntarily or via subpoena by "pleading the 5th".

Thanks for the clarification, NACN!!

Investigation sticky http://prince.org/msg/7/454164