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Reply #330 posted 03/15/18 11:39am

Rainbow1

amethyst68 said:

purplefam99 said:

i think that her youth and unworldliness, after so so long being in that place of sex machine


worldliness was so so so cleansing and renewing for Prince. That he saw the world a new in her,


like have a baby all things are again new. i think that the love was deep deep deep, but


a bit idealistic. I think when tradegy struck she went to her most recent place (childhood) to cope


and he already a seasoned adult when to an even more adult coping space. He couldn't


retreive his ability to comfort the child in her and she wasn't seasoned enough in her new adult


self to console him. This is most heart breaking thing because without these moments of fire we


can't forge ourselves and i think if they could have found a way all things would have been different.


They were in love and are a family and i guess i believe that maybe this whole thing forged them for something


else to which we aren't privy.



I think she dealt with it better than he did. He wanted to pretend it didn’t happen then he wanted to pretend that he was okay instead of admitting the loss and admitting the pain behind it. There’s an interview I read recently from back then where he says “there are rumors my child died.” It was loss on him that speaking about the things that pain you the most can be healing for you and other people going through the same tragedy.


In the end both of them may not have been united but were still united in their pain and that seemed to transcend time
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Reply #331 posted 03/15/18 11:59am

anangellooksdo
wn

purplefam99 said:

i think that her youth and unworldliness, after so so long being in that place of sex machine


worldliness was so so so cleansing and renewing for Prince. That he saw the world a new in her,


like have a baby all things are again new. i think that the love was deep deep deep, but


a bit idealistic. I think when tradegy struck she went to her most recent place (childhood) to cope


and he already a seasoned adult when to an even more adult coping space. He couldn't


retreive his ability to comfort the child in her and she wasn't seasoned enough in her new adult


self to console him. This is most heart breaking thing because without these moments of fire we


can't forge ourselves and i think if they could have found a way all things would have been different.


They were in love and are a family and i guess i believe that maybe this whole thing forged them for something


else to which we aren't privy.



I wonder if he felt at fault, and couldn’t face her because that meant facing what he thought he was or had done.
She said he felt it wasn’t meant to be because of what happened, but I think there was stuff underneath that that had to with his self-feelings.
sad

However, regarding your last sentence, traumas (fear and depression) always forge us for something. IF we are willing to GROW.
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Reply #332 posted 03/15/18 12:04pm

anangellooksdo
wn

Rainbow1 said:

amethyst68 said:



I think she dealt with it better than he did. He wanted to pretend it didn’t happen then he wanted to pretend that he was okay instead of admitting the loss and admitting the pain behind it. There’s an interview I read recently from back then where he says “there are rumors my child died.” It was loss on him that speaking about the things that pain you the most can be healing for you and other people going through the same tragedy.


In the end both of them may not have been united but were still united in their pain and that seemed to transcend time


I think they both dealt with it very well ultimately, but also very differently.

They were very young. Prince at 40 was very young at heart and spirit, which is why young women were a good match for him in certain ways.
Even though his soul was “old”.
In their youth they each responded the best they knew.
[Edited 3/15/18 12:05pm]
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Reply #333 posted 03/15/18 2:12pm

purplefam99

amethyst68 said:

purplefam99 said:

i think that her youth and unworldliness, after so so long being in that place of sex machine

worldliness was so so so cleansing and renewing for Prince. That he saw the world a new in her,

like have a baby all things are again new. i think that the love was deep deep deep, but

a bit idealistic. I think when tradegy struck she went to her most recent place (childhood) to cope

and he already a seasoned adult when to an even more adult coping space. He couldn't

retreive his ability to comfort the child in her and she wasn't seasoned enough in her new adult

self to console him. This is most heart breaking thing because without these moments of fire we

can't forge ourselves and i think if they could have found a way all things would have been different.

They were in love and are a family and i guess i believe that maybe this whole thing forged them for something

else to which we aren't privy.

I think she dealt with it better than he did. He wanted to pretend it didn’t happen then he wanted to pretend that he was okay instead of admitting the loss and admitting the pain behind it. There’s an interview I read recently from back then where he says “there are rumors my child died.” It was loss on him that speaking about the things that pain you the most can be healing for you and other people going through the same tragedy.

yes that was a struggle that was sensed.

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Reply #334 posted 03/15/18 2:13pm

purplefam99

Rainbow1 said:

amethyst68 said:
I think she dealt with it better than he did. He wanted to pretend it didn’t happen then he wanted to pretend that he was okay instead of admitting the loss and admitting the pain behind it. There’s an interview I read recently from back then where he says “there are rumors my child died.” It was loss on him that speaking about the things that pain you the most can be healing for you and other people going through the same tragedy.
In the end both of them may not have been united but were still united in their pain and that seemed to transcend time

i agree.

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Reply #335 posted 03/15/18 2:26pm

Rainbow1

anangellooksdown said:

Rainbow1 said:
In the end both of them may not have been united but were still united in their pain and that seemed to transcend time
I think they both dealt with it very well ultimately, but also very differently. They were very young. Prince at 40 was very young at heart and spirit, which is why young women were a good match for him in certain ways. Even though his soul was “old”. In their youth they each responded the best they knew. [Edited 3/15/18 12:05pm]

Yes I agree. I know if I were to go through something that she did in her early 20's and then try to move on..I wouldn't have had the skill set expecially since I grew up in a sheltered environment. It would have shattered me--even as more seasoned adult it would have shattered but I would have had better coping mechancisms to deal. It is sad. But in any case really wished they had worked it out.

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Reply #336 posted 03/15/18 3:18pm

amethyst68

Rainbow1 said:



anangellooksdown said:


Rainbow1 said:
In the end both of them may not have been united but were still united in their pain and that seemed to transcend time

I think they both dealt with it very well ultimately, but also very differently. They were very young. Prince at 40 was very young at heart and spirit, which is why young women were a good match for him in certain ways. Even though his soul was “old”. In their youth they each responded the best they knew. [Edited 3/15/18 12:05pm]

Yes I agree. I know if I were to go through something that she did in her early 20's and then try to move on..I wouldn't have had the skill set expecially since I grew up in a sheltered environment. It would have shattered me--even as more seasoned adult it would have shattered but I would have had better coping mechancisms to deal. It is sad. But in any case really wished they had worked it out.



Except she didn’t grow up sheltered. Her parents were in and out of a relationship with each other and others. She admits to be molested as a young girl. She’s had her share of drama as a child. It shattered both of them. Neither one of them was the same after losing Amiir and divorcing. I have heard Prince had regrets about how he handled it and she’s said she had regrets too.
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Reply #337 posted 03/15/18 3:42pm

Rainbow1

amethyst68 said:

Rainbow1 said:



anangellooksdown said:


Rainbow1 said:
In the end both of them may not have been united but were still united in their pain and that seemed to transcend time

I think they both dealt with it very well ultimately, but also very differently. They were very young. Prince at 40 was very young at heart and spirit, which is why young women were a good match for him in certain ways. Even though his soul was “old”. In their youth they each responded the best they knew. [Edited 3/15/18 12:05pm]

Yes I agree. I know if I were to go through something that she did in her early 20's and then try to move on..I wouldn't have had the skill set expecially since I grew up in a sheltered environment. It would have shattered me--even as more seasoned adult it would have shattered but I would have had better coping mechancisms to deal. It is sad. But in any case really wished they had worked it out.



Except she didn’t grow up sheltered. Her parents were in and out of a relationship with each other and others. She admits to be molested as a young girl. She’s had her share of drama as a child. It shattered both of them. Neither one of them was the same after losing Amiir and divorcing. I have heard Prince had regrets about how he handled it and she’s said she had regrets too.

Oh I didn’t realise.Thanks for clearing that up 😊
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Reply #338 posted 03/15/18 4:40pm

pinkcashmere23

Rainbow1 said:

amethyst68 said:
Except she didn’t grow up sheltered. Her parents were in and out of a relationship with each other and others. She admits to be molested as a young girl. She’s had her share of drama as a child. It shattered both of them. Neither one of them was the same after losing Amiir and divorcing. I have heard Prince had regrets about how he handled it and she’s said she had regrets too.
Oh I didn’t realise.Thanks for clearing that up 😊

Yes,thank you.I wasn't aware of that either.

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Reply #339 posted 03/15/18 5:18pm

Rainbow1

pinkcashmere23 said:

Rainbow1 said:

amethyst68 said: Oh I didn’t realise.Thanks for clearing that up 😊

Yes,thank you.I wasn't aware of that either.

I have to say its soo nice to have a thread that people are helping each other and sharing...sometimes I have felt I can't. I am enjoying it and feel free to do so. Its really refreshing and feeling like a community right smile

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Reply #340 posted 03/15/18 5:36pm

Tresha68

amethyst68 said:

Rainbow1 said:



anangellooksdown said:


Rainbow1 said:
In the end both of them may not have been united but were still united in their pain and that seemed to transcend time

I think they both dealt with it very well ultimately, but also very differently. They were very young. Prince at 40 was very young at heart and spirit, which is why young women were a good match for him in certain ways. Even though his soul was “old”. In their youth they each responded the best they knew. [Edited 3/15/18 12:05pm]

Yes I agree. I know if I were to go through something that she did in her early 20's and then try to move on..I wouldn't have had the skill set expecially since I grew up in a sheltered environment. It would have shattered me--even as more seasoned adult it would have shattered but I would have had better coping mechancisms to deal. It is sad. But in any case really wished they had worked it out.



Except she didn’t grow up sheltered. Her parents were in and out of a relationship with each other and others. She admits to be molested as a young girl. She’s had her share of drama as a child. It shattered both of them. Neither one of them was the same after losing Amiir and divorcing. I have heard Prince had regrets about how he handled it and she’s said she had regrets too.


I think there were so many outside sources pulling them as well. In our grief, we aren't put under a microscope for all to see. They were both work horses and sometimes you need to throw yourselves deep into the pain in order not to drown. They were trying to keep their heads above water with so many pushing them down. I saw Mayte today on French tv, the pain and love she has for him is still so in the moment. I found tears running down my cheeks. They were beautiful together.
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Reply #341 posted 03/15/18 5:38pm

pinkcashmere23

Rainbow1 said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Yes,thank you.I wasn't aware of that either.

I have to say its soo nice to have a thread that people are helping each other and sharing...sometimes I have felt I can't. I am enjoying it and feel free to do so. Its really refreshing and feeling like a community right smile

I agree. smile

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Reply #342 posted 03/15/18 5:44pm

pinkcashmere23

Tresha68 said:

amethyst68 said:
Except she didn’t grow up sheltered. Her parents were in and out of a relationship with each other and others. She admits to be molested as a young girl. She’s had her share of drama as a child. It shattered both of them. Neither one of them was the same after losing Amiir and divorcing. I have heard Prince had regrets about how he handled it and she’s said she had regrets too.
I think there were so many outside sources pulling them as well. In our grief, we aren't put under a microscope for all to see. They were both work horses and sometimes you need to throw yourselves deep into the pain in order not to drown. They were trying to keep their heads above water with so many pushing them down. I saw Mayte today on French tv, the pain and love she has for him is still so in the moment. I found tears running down my cheeks. They were beautiful together.

Did she do a new interview in France?

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Reply #343 posted 03/15/18 8:20pm

amethyst68

Rainbow1 said:



pinkcashmere23 said:




Rainbow1 said:


amethyst68 said: Oh I didn’t realise.Thanks for clearing that up 😊

Yes,thank you.I wasn't aware of that either.



I have to say its soo nice to have a thread that people are helping each other and sharing...sometimes I have felt I can't. I am enjoying it and feel free to do so. Its really refreshing and feeling like a community right smile



Yes. I agree.
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Reply #344 posted 03/15/18 8:45pm

purplefam99

Agreed! It is nice when the site lives up to it’s logo slogan. Prince.org online fan community.
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Reply #345 posted 03/15/18 9:28pm

206Michelle

benni said:

This song was written by Savage Garden, after they heard an interview in which Prince was talking about Mayte. If I recall correctly, in the interview, Prince said that he believed he had dreamed Mayte into life and the lead singer of Savage Garden heard that and believed it was a beautiful testament to the love between Prince and Mayte and wrote this song because of that interview.


"I Knew I Loved You"

Maybe it's intuition
But some things you just don't question
Like in your eyes
I see my future in an instant
and there it goes
I think I've found my best friend
I know that it might sound more than
a little crazy but I believe

[chorus]

I knew I loved you before I met you
I think I dreamed you into life
I knew I loved you before I met you
I have been waiting all my life

There's just no rhyme or reason
only this sense of completion
and in your eyes
I see the missing pieces
I'm searching for
I think I found my way home
I know that it might sound more than
a little crazy but I believe

[repeat chorus]

A thousand angels dance around you
I am complete now that I found you

[repeat chorus to fade]








I am a child of the 90s and I remember this song so very well. This is the first time I have heard of Prince and Mayte inspiring this song. However, From listening to episode 74 (12/23/2017) of the Dr. Funk podcast recently, I learned that SG’s Darren Hayes is a HUGE Prince fan. IKILY is a beautiful song!
[Edited 3/15/18 21:43pm]
Live 4 Love ~ Love is God, God is love, Girls and boys love God above
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Reply #346 posted 03/15/18 9:37pm

206Michelle

amethyst68 said:

Ex-girlfriend Devin Devasquez

“To me, the saddest part of Prince’s story is that he died without having a loving relationship towards the end of his life. He died without experiencing the joy of fatherhood. There is no doubt by the time his Emancipation CD arrived in the mid ‘90s, Prince had found true love and happiness with his bride, Mayte. However, the tragedy of losing their child would be something that would eventually tear them apart. And he never got as close to another woman.”

I think Devin’s words are very on-point. Because his time with Amiir was so short-lived, I suspect that experiencing the fullness of fatherhood may have been the most unfulfilled desire that Prince had in his life.
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Where did Devin write this? Was this quotation in her book?
Live 4 Love ~ Love is God, God is love, Girls and boys love God above
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Reply #347 posted 03/15/18 11:17pm

amethyst68

206Michelle said:

amethyst68 said:

Ex-girlfriend Devin Devasquez

“To me, the saddest part of Prince’s story is that he died without having a loving relationship towards the end of his life. He died without experiencing the joy of fatherhood. There is no doubt by the time his Emancipation CD arrived in the mid ‘90s, Prince had found true love and happiness with his bride, Mayte. However, the tragedy of losing their child would be something that would eventually tear them apart. And he never got as close to another woman.”

I think Devin’s words are very on-point. Because his time with Amiir was so short-lived, I suspect that experiencing the fullness of fatherhood may have been the most unfulfilled desire that Prince had in his life.
.
Where did Devin write this? Was this quotation in her book?


It came from her book.
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Reply #348 posted 03/16/18 7:32am

purplefam99

amethyst68 said:

206Michelle said:


I think Devin’s words are very on-point. Because his time with Amiir was so short-lived, I suspect that experiencing the fullness of fatherhood may have been the most unfulfilled desire that Prince had in his life.
.
Where did Devin write this? Was this quotation in her book?


It came from her book.

F




I found that her book was sweet and from a nice place in her heart.




Ok
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Reply #349 posted 03/16/18 10:13am

pinkcashmere23

PennyPurple said:

Image result for prince and mayte

Beautiful photo! They remind me of Egyptian royalty.I believe it was from In Style magazine.

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Reply #350 posted 03/16/18 5:35pm

Tresha68

pinkcashmere23 said:



Tresha68 said:


amethyst68 said:
Except she didn’t grow up sheltered. Her parents were in and out of a relationship with each other and others. She admits to be molested as a young girl. She’s had her share of drama as a child. It shattered both of them. Neither one of them was the same after losing Amiir and divorcing. I have heard Prince had regrets about how he handled it and she’s said she had regrets too.

I think there were so many outside sources pulling them as well. In our grief, we aren't put under a microscope for all to see. They were both work horses and sometimes you need to throw yourselves deep into the pain in order not to drown. They were trying to keep their heads above water with so many pushing them down. I saw Mayte today on French tv, the pain and love she has for him is still so in the moment. I found tears running down my cheeks. They were beautiful together.

Did she do a new interview in France?


Yes
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Reply #351 posted 03/16/18 5:56pm

pinkcashmere23

Tresha68 said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Did she do a new interview in France?

Yes

Thanks. Latin posted it

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Reply #352 posted 03/16/18 8:01pm

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Reply #354 posted 03/16/18 8:22pm

amethyst68

FUN FACT I just learned. Mayte named Prince's purple symbol guitar, Habibi, which means my love.

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Reply #355 posted 03/16/18 9:03pm

pinkcashmere23

amethyst68 said:

FUN FACT I just learned. Mayte named Prince's purple symbol guitar, Habibi, which means my love.

Sweet! I didn't know the name came from Mayte.

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Reply #356 posted 03/16/18 9:26pm

benni

This was an interview from 2/27/97, just 4 months after they lost their son:


His good humour is as intoxicating as it is surprising. In the past two years, he’s faced record company wrangles, falling sales, waning interest and, in October 1996, the loss of his child. Known only as Boy Gregory, the son of Prince and his wife, Mayte Garcia, lived for just a few days after being born with a skull deformity known as Pfeiffer syndrome.


“That time has been the most traumatic of my life,” Prince acknowledges, “but contrary to what has been said about me, I feel very positive. I believe God has a plan. Everything that happens, there’s a reason for it.”


But surely, what plan, what reason can there be behind the death of a few-days-old child? “There are so many ways to look at things,” he replies softly. “And I would never use the words, ‘they’re gone’. They will always come back you see,” he adds, never once dropping his gaze.


While he rarely talked about it, or acknowledged it publically, he was dealing with the death of his son and grieving. No two people ever grieve the same. And the way one grieves is a very personal and internal process. When a tragedy strikes someone we care about, I think we, ourselves, personalize that process and view it from the lense of how we believe we would have handled the same event and then project those feelings on to the one we care about and believe they must feel the same way.

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Reply #357 posted 03/17/18 4:13am

Rainbow1

purplefam99 said:

Agreed! It is nice when the site lives up to it’s logo slogan. Prince.org online fan community.

Yes yes yes...I am loving it. I wish the whole site was like this. But in any case.. I am loving this thread.

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Reply #358 posted 03/17/18 7:29am

vandeluca

Yes definitely refreshing....Often I don't post bc it seems ike a cat fight. I actually was going to give my opinion on the Brown Mark thread and his book---and it was not avaiable for posting I assume because of the downhill manner it had gone. This has turned into a nice talk..smile Thanks for a positive Saturday morning start.smile

On an irrelevant positive note for myself, I also just received Tudahl's book. Looking foward to getting through that today:)

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Reply #359 posted 03/17/18 9:35am

pinkcashmere23

PennyPurple said:

prince-mayte-garcia.jpg

They were so gorgeous together.I believe that Mayte had this photo up in her home iirc.

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