Drums: Kirk J

Bass: Larry Graham

Guitar: Andy Allo

Keys: Phillip C

Vox: Tony M

Well, Larry Graham & Bass 2gether are close to masterclass... as long as he dont use his deep preachin' vox, so i just hope he dosnt do back voclas.

stpaisios said:

Well, Larry Graham & Bass 2gether are close to masterclass... as long as he dont use his deep preachin' vox, so i just hope he dosnt do back voclas.

That's why I've put him in there - muthrfuqr can't help himself!

I think that Prince used Kirk when he didn't want drums to dominate his music. Michael B and John Blackwell tended to have a big impact on his music whenever they were playing with him live or on record. When Kirk was the drummer, other aspects of the music shined. In other words, I think Prince selected his musicians carefully depending on where he wanted the focus.

donnyenglish said:

I think that Prince used Kirk when he didn't want drums to dominate his music. Michael B and John Blackwell tended to have a big impact on his music whenever they were playing with him live or on record. When Kirk was the drummer, other aspects of the music shined. In other words, I think Prince selected his musicians carefully depending on where he wanted the focus.

I can't agree with that. I think Prince made a bad - and lazy - decision and put Kirk on drums for personal rather than musical reasons. You listen to things like New Power Soul and Rave, and the drums are (like always) a HUGE part of the record.

Besides, if he wanted a drummer with less of a distinct personality, that didn't mean he had to go with one who was technically weak. Cora's playing, for example, had all the personality of a fire extinguisher, but she was tight as a fat man's shoe.

consistently said:

donnyenglish said:

I think that Prince used Kirk when he didn't want drums to dominate his music. Michael B and John Blackwell tended to have a big impact on his music whenever they were playing with him live or on record. When Kirk was the drummer, other aspects of the music shined. In other words, I think Prince selected his musicians carefully depending on where he wanted the focus.

I can't agree with that. I think Prince made a bad - and lazy - decision and put Kirk on drums for personal rather than musical reasons. You listen to things like New Power Soul and Rave, and the drums are (like always) a HUGE part of the record.

Besides, if he wanted a drummer with less of a distinct personality, that didn't mean he had to go with one who was technically weak. Cora's playing, for example, had all the personality of a fire extinguisher, but she was tight as a fat man's shoe.

Yea. I'm probably rationalizing. Prince definitely deserved better, but Prince is loyal. How many songs/albums/videos did Tony M ruin?

consistently said:

stpaisios said:

Well, Larry Graham & Bass 2gether are close to masterclass... as long as he dont use his deep preachin' vox, so i just hope he dosnt do back voclas.

That's why I've put him in there - muthrfuqr can't help himself!

What is wrong sound too much like a man?

Not an ideal lineup Some say Kirk had improved though.He played for Candy Dulfer for a bit and the clips I saw sounded okay though he didn't have much speed.He's certainly not fancy.I love Larry's playing so he could stay.Agree about AA but she would never put herself in that position again.I wondered what Prince was thinking having her play lead guitar after playing electric for only two weeks.Not familiar with Phillip C-was that the guy in Grafitti Bridge? And I agree about Tony M.

I don't see how not having LG as bassist fits into this.

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pinkcashmere23 said:

consistently said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Not an ideal lineup Some say Kirk had improved though.He played for Candy Dulfer for a bit and the clips I saw sounded okay though he didn't have much speed.He's certainly not fancy.I love Larry's playing so he could stay.Agree about AA but she would never put herself in that position again.I wondered what Prince was thinking having her play lead guitar after playing electric for only two weeks.Not familiar with Phillip C-was that the guy in Grafitti Bridge? And I agree about Tony M.

That’s the very guy. Wasn’t he Prince’s hairdresser or something? 😆

I think his one line in the movie was "Bang!"

Kirk has definitely improved. To put Larry Graham in there is ridiculous. And the worst keys player Prince ever had was Renato. He's one noodly motherfucker.

Renato?? He obviously had technical skill. If Prince let him play too long that was prince's choice. I didn't mind Renato.

As for lineup from hell. none of them. Really, it was how Prince chose to use them that mattered. If he was going to let Graham be corny and preachy, then that was on Prince. LG is a talented bass player and using his ability wouldn't have hurt anything. KJ (prick that he might be) could stay in the pocket so as long as flashy drumming wasn't what was needed, then it doesn't matter. MOtherless child has both KJ and LG in it and I think the music was brilliant. Tony M might be the only one I could say that about but even he knew how to play guitar a little and wasn't too bad of a dancer.

jjam said:

Kirk has definitely improved. To put Larry Graham in there is ridiculous. And the worst keys player Prince ever had was Renato. He's one noodly motherfucker.

OperatingThetan said:

I'm guessing nobody remembers DVS then?

I can't recall but I became a fan in 2002 so I probably missed them.

Vocals should be Apples

pinkcashmere23 said:

OperatingThetan said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

I can't recall but I became a fan in 2002 so I probably missed them.

He's the white rapper in 'The Daisy Chain' song: http://www.princevault.co...?title=DVS

Oh ok! Daisy Chain is not one of my favs.

EmmaMcG said:

OperatingThetan said:

Larry Graham changed the face of bass playing, and in his day he was an absolute phenomenon. But now? Did anyone else see GCS at Hop Farm? Woefully lazy and self-indulgent.

I'm not saying he's a bad bass player by any means! I just don't like the guy.

Shelby J - yes! Yet another in a long line of very good singers you can find in every other corporate function band. *yawn*

consistently said:

Larry Graham changed the face of bass playing, and in his day he was an absolute phenomenon. But now? Did anyone else see GCS at Hop Farm? Woefully lazy and self-indulgent.

I'm not saying he's a bad bass player by any means! I just don't like the guy.

Shelby J - yes! Yet another in a long line of very good singers you can find in every other corporate function band. *yawn*

I liked his playing at the NSJ Festival in 2011.Shelby's chanting was annoying at times but I liked her vocals for the most part.Prince seemed to love her and I think they had nice onstage chemistry.I didn't particularly dislike any of Prince's band members really.Andy's really the only one I can think of who wasn't adept at her instrument and she improved as she went along.Of course it would have been better if he had hired a skilled rhythm guitarist and had her sing backup and play the acoustic but he put her in that position for some reason.Maybe he saw it as a challenge.

purplerabbithole said:

Renato?? He obviously had technical skill. If Prince let him play too long that was prince's choice. I didn't mind Renato.

As for lineup from hell. none of them. Really, it was how Prince chose to use them that mattered. If he was going to let Graham be corny and preachy, then that was on Prince. LG is a talented bass player and using his ability wouldn't have hurt anything. KJ (prick that he might be) could stay in the pocket so as long as flashy drumming wasn't what was needed, then it doesn't matter. MOtherless child has both KJ and LG in it and I think the music was brilliant. Tony M might be the only one I could say that about but even he knew how to play guitar a little and wasn't too bad of a dancer.

jjam said:

Kirk has definitely improved. To put Larry Graham in there is ridiculous. And the worst keys player Prince ever had was Renato. He's one noodly motherfucker.

Technical skill doesn't make one a good musician. Taste and knowing when not to noodle more than a Chinese takeaway does.