purplefam99 said:

WonderU said:

So we're supposed to take someone seriously who came into the public eye in a negligee and police hat? Or left her panties in front of the Glam Slam?? This post of her's could only be better if G Spot was playing in the background while her bitter ass read this out loud.

And I guess you just proved her point, no one will take you seriously if you dress A certain way. No matter how much you have the right to do so. Jill exercised her rights early on in her career now she is exercising another right. She is entitled to those freedoms as we all are. I don’t agree with singling out Anyone to make the point however.

Yeah singling Cabello was wrong as simple as that, In my responses to Jill on FB she responded once but it was in a weaving way where all i can think is, OK valid point but why post this girls picture/album cover and then compare her to random girls on instagram that stick their asses out all over and call it modeling, I think it was flat out a rude comparison, lost tons of respect I sort of had for Jill.

WonderU said:

So we're supposed to take someone seriously who came into the public eye in a negligee and police hat? Or left her panties in front of the Glam Slam?? This post of her's could only be better if G Spot was playing in the background while her bitter ass read this out loud.

[Edited 1/18/18 15:07pm]

PennyPurple said:

WonderU said:

So we're supposed to take someone seriously who came into the public eye in a negligee and police hat? Or left her panties in front of the Glam Slam?? This post of her's could only be better if G Spot was playing in the background while her bitter ass read this out loud.

[Edited 1/18/18 15:07pm]

Genesia said:

Personally, I think Jill has several screws loose, but I'm with her on this one.

Agreed. Whilst the album cover isn't a "pussy shot" per se - it's a classic advertising technique to divert the eye - you're meant to look at her crotch from how the picture is composed, this was done on purpose. I'm not saying it's good, or bad - it's certainly not a new or revolutionary technique, far from it - but that's what it is in that sense, a pussy shot.

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I mean, well done - we're talking about it. I've never heard her music, have no interest in hearing it - but I've discussed the cover, so I've not spent money on it, but I've contributed to promoting it. Purpose achieved.

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We all know Jill's career with Prince, so she's done/sang worse - so maybe she's speaking from experience rather than just taking a shot?

purplefam99 said:

WonderU said:

So we're supposed to take someone seriously who came into the public eye in a negligee and police hat? Or left her panties in front of the Glam Slam?? This post of her's could only be better if G Spot was playing in the background while her bitter ass read this out loud.

And I guess you just proved her point, no one will take you seriously if you dress A certain way. No matter how much you have the right to do so. Jill exercised her rights early on in her career now she is exercising another right. She is entitled to those freedoms as we all are. I don’t agree with singling out Anyone to make the point however.

Exactly.

ThatWhiteDude said:

*a bunch of deflecting was here*

It took you four whole days to come up with that lame and dishonest essay and yet, you still failed to address anything that I actually wrote because you know you cannot refute it. Butt-hurt much?


Again, Do NOT reply to me based on lies you make up about what I wrote instead of what I actually fucking wrote. You. Are. NOT. slick.

babynoz said:

babynoz said:

purplefam99 said:

WonderU said: And I guess you just proved her point, no one will take you seriously if you dress A certain way. No matter how much you have the right to do so. Jill exercised her rights early on in her career now she is exercising another right. She is entitled to those freedoms as we all are. I don’t agree with singling out Anyone to make the point however.

Exactly.

Agree.

NouveauDance said:

Genesia said:

Personally, I think Jill has several screws loose, but I'm with her on this one.

Agreed. Whilst the album cover isn't a "pussy shot" per se - it's a classic advertising technique to divert the eye - you're meant to look at her crotch from how the picture is composed, this was done on purpose. I'm not saying it's good, or bad - it's certainly not a new or revolutionary technique, far from it - but that's what it is in that sense, a pussy shot.

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I mean, well done - we're talking about it. I've never heard her music, have no interest in hearing it - but I've discussed the cover, so I've not spent money on it, but I've contributed to promoting it. Purpose achieved.

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We all know Jill's career with Prince, so she's done/sang worse - so maybe she's speaking from experience rather than just taking a shot?

yep, well said

ThatWhiteDude said:

babynoz said:

It took you four whole days to come up with that lame and dishonest essay and yet, you still failed to address anything that I actually wrote because you know you cannot refute it. Butt-hurt much?


Again, Do NOT reply to me based on lies you make up about what I wrote instead of what I actually fucking wrote. You. Are. NOT. slick.

You actually said that I have No clue about feminism. That's What I said, and my comment was an answer to your whole Post in wich you claimed that women Like Camila are turning feminism backwards. I didn't even claim shit about what you said. [Edited 1/19/18 8:06am] Oh and since you cut it Out: Here's my comment, now someone tell me where I wrote something about Babynoz. Okay, I read this post several times now and I just can't resist to givin' my 2 cents. What I tried to explain in my last posts was this: I don't get what's so bad about women posing like this? You know why I ask this question? No one would call a man a slut for doing exactly the same, I mean, let's take Usher for an example, if he'd pose without a shirt, just showing off his abs, people would say: "Well, he's sure of himself." Another double standard, if a man poses almost naked for a magazine or is naked in a movie won't be viewed as a slut or an object, this guy would still have chances to be casted as James Bond or every other role his heart desires. Because he's a man, and most of the time, men can do whatever they want to, without facing consequences for their career. THAT's why I say, a cover like Camila's can empower young women to do whatever they want to and fighting for it! Prostesting like this and making a point, and tell the society that, even if a woman displays her body like that, she's still not just an object. She's just sure of herself. AGAIN: The society creates these standards, and the problems that come with it. But I say, women shouldn't back down just because society wants them to act a certain way. The society shouldn't be allowed to judge a woman, as long as she's not killing someone, you don't need to care what she does. Yesterday I read somewhere that a boy in school grope a girl under her skirt, the school reacted in the wrongest of ways, they changed the girl's clothes were changed to pants. You wanna know what you teach not only girls, but boys too? You teach the girls: "If you dress a certain way, you get touched without your permission." And you teach the boys: "If a girl dresses a certain way it's her own fault." And THAT's anti feminism, teaching women to behave a certain way, or else they are not allowed to complain about being called a slut. If you wanna go that road, good luck. Because it's a fucked up road. Now y'all can go on and call me names, and tell me again that I don't get it, because I am a man, but I go by: "Everybody is free to do whatever they want as long as they don't seriously harm anyone." I think our society should learn that 2. I'm not saying that women don't use this tool to sell their music, but men do the same and no one shits on them for that. So stop shitting on women. [Edited 1/19/18 8:37am]

^^^^when every member of society has completed and passed this test and then gone on to prove it in their actions (and the bigotry one)

then yes let us dress how we please. but until then i must warn my littles of the possible

repricushions, or i am not fully preparing them for the world. imo

purplefam99 said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

babynoz said: You actually said that I have No clue about feminism. That's What I said, and my comment was an answer to your whole Post in wich you claimed that women Like Camila are turning feminism backwards. I didn't even claim shit about what you said. [Edited 1/19/18 8:06am] Oh and since you cut it Out: Here's my comment, now someone tell me where I wrote something about Babynoz. Okay, I read this post several times now and I just can't resist to givin' my 2 cents. What I tried to explain in my last posts was this: I don't get what's so bad about women posing like this? You know why I ask this question? No one would call a man a slut for doing exactly the same, I mean, let's take Usher for an example, if he'd pose without a shirt, just showing off his abs, people would say: "Well, he's sure of himself." Another double standard, if a man poses almost naked for a magazine or is naked in a movie won't be viewed as a slut or an object, this guy would still have chances to be casted as James Bond or every other role his heart desires. Because he's a man, and most of the time, men can do whatever they want to, without facing consequences for their career. THAT's why I say, a cover like Camila's can empower young women to do whatever they want to and fighting for it! Prostesting like this and making a point, and tell the society that, even if a woman displays her body like that, she's still not just an object. She's just sure of herself. AGAIN: The society creates these standards, and the problems that come with it. But I say, women shouldn't back down just because society wants them to act a certain way. The society shouldn't be allowed to judge a woman, as long as she's not killing someone, you don't need to care what she does. Yesterday I read somewhere that a boy in school grope a girl under her skirt, the school reacted in the wrongest of ways, they changed the girl's clothes were changed to pants. You wanna know what you teach not only girls, but boys too? You teach the girls: "If you dress a certain way, you get touched without your permission." And you teach the boys: "If a girl dresses a certain way it's her own fault." And THAT's anti feminism, teaching women to behave a certain way, or else they are not allowed to complain about being called a slut. If you wanna go that road, good luck. Because it's a fucked up road. Now y'all can go on and call me names, and tell me again that I don't get it, because I am a man, but I go by: "Everybody is free to do whatever they want as long as they don't seriously harm anyone." I think our society should learn that 2. I'm not saying that women don't use this tool to sell their music, but men do the same and no one shits on them for that. So stop shitting on women. [Edited 1/19/18 8:37am]

^^^^when every member of society has completed and passed this test and then gone on to prove it in their actions (and the bigotry one)

then yes let us dress how we please. but until then i must warn my littles of the possible

repricushions, or i am not fully preparing them for the world. imo

Okay Purplefam you kinda got a point. But the thing is, society probably won't change if women back down and just do what people expect them to do.

ThatWhiteDude said:

babynoz said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

You actually said that I have No clue about feminism. That's What I said, and my comment was an answer to your whole Post in wich you claimed that women Like Camila are turning feminism backwards. I didn't even claim shit about what you said. [Edited 1/19/18 8:06am] Oh and since you cut it Out: Here's my comment, now someone tell me where I wrote something about Babynoz. Okay, I read this post several times now and I just can't resist to givin' my 2 cents. What I tried to explain in my last posts was this: I don't get what's so bad about women posing like this? You know why I ask this question? No one would call a man a slut for doing exactly the same, I mean, let's take Usher for an example, if he'd pose without a shirt, just showing off his abs, people would say: "Well, he's sure of himself." Another double standard, if a man poses almost naked for a magazine or is naked in a movie won't be viewed as a slut or an object, this guy would still have chances to be casted as James Bond or every other role his heart desires. Because he's a man, and most of the time, men can do whatever they want to, without facing consequences for their career. THAT's why I say, a cover like Camila's can empower young women to do whatever they want to and fighting for it! Prostesting like this and making a point, and tell the society that, even if a woman displays her body like that, she's still not just an object. She's just sure of herself. AGAIN: The society creates these standards, and the problems that come with it. But I say, women shouldn't back down just because society wants them to act a certain way. The society shouldn't be allowed to judge a woman, as long as she's not killing someone, you don't need to care what she does. Yesterday I read somewhere that a boy in school grope a girl under her skirt, the school reacted in the wrongest of ways, they changed the girl's clothes were changed to pants. You wanna know what you teach not only girls, but boys too? You teach the girls: "If you dress a certain way, you get touched without your permission." And you teach the boys: "If a girl dresses a certain way it's her own fault." And THAT's anti feminism, teaching women to behave a certain way, or else they are not allowed to complain about being called a slut. If you wanna go that road, good luck. Because it's a fucked up road. Now y'all can go on and call me names, and tell me again that I don't get it, because I am a man, but I go by: "Everybody is free to do whatever they want as long as they don't seriously harm anyone." I think our society should learn that 2. I'm not saying that women don't use this tool to sell their music, but men do the same and no one shits on them for that. So stop shitting on women. [Edited 1/19/18 8:37am]

Except that i never said that camila was turning feminism backwards. Liar. Try again. [Edited 1/19/18 12:10pm]

It amazes me that the trend is going back toward women's value once again being defined by their pussies. That is your comment right there! And wouldn't Camila be part of that trend? Since you agree with Jill that Camila's cover is not okay?

Sheesh, can we not ever have a conversation, without people calling names and changing other peoples quotes?

CC probably doesn't even know who the heck JJ is.

ThatWhiteDude said:

babynoz said:

ThatWhiteDude said: Except that i never said that camila was turning feminism backwards. Liar. Try again. [Edited 1/19/18 12:10pm]

It amazes me that the trend is going back toward women's value once again being defined by their pussies. That is your comment right there! And wouldn't Camila be part of that trend? Since you agree with Jill that Camila's cover is not okay?

How old are you WhiteDude?

poppys said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

It amazes me that the trend is going back toward women's value once again being defined by their pussies. That is your comment right there! And wouldn't Camila be part of that trend? Since you agree with Jill that Camila's cover is not okay?

How old are you WhiteDude?

Why would that matter?

ThatWhiteDude said:

poppys said:

How old are you WhiteDude?

Why would that matter?

Trying to figure out if your maturity level matches your age. You are aware that you are going after women talking about femimism on Prince.org in a nasty way, right?

poppys said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Why would that matter?

Trying to figure out if your maturity level matches your age. You are aware that you are going after women talking about femimism on Prince.org in a nasty way, right?

What? In a nasty way? What was nasty about my ways? I stated my opinion and quoted Babynoz in my ast comment, so where's the problem?

[Edited 1/19/18 14:20pm]

[Edited 1/19/18 14:44pm]

ThatWhiteDude said:

babynoz said:

ThatWhiteDude said: Except that i never said that camila was turning feminism backwards. Liar. Try again. [Edited 1/19/18 12:10pm]

It amazes me that the trend is going back toward women's value once again being defined by their pussies. That is your comment right there! And wouldn't Camila be part of that trend? Since you agree with Jill that Camila's cover is not okay?

Instead of using a general statement to try and twist my words to your agenda, go back and read reply #9 liar! I Clearly said that I did NOT see Camila as part of that trend.


"I agree that Jill singling this lady out isn't a good example of the point she is trying to make, but her point is still valid.


I don't have a problem with the album cover but the music sucks."



I SPECIFICALLY SAID THAT JILL USED THE WRONG EXAMPLE TO MAKE HER POINT AND THAT I DO NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE ALBUM COVER, LIAR. YOU ARE NOT SLICK.

You should have quit when Genesia handed you your ass. But attention trolls have no boundaries or shame I guess.

PennyPurple said:

Sheesh, can we not ever have a conversation, without people calling names and changing other peoples quotes?

CC probably doesn't even know who the heck JJ is.

Sorry but when people resort to lying on me the gloves come off. I don't allow that.

You're just gonna have to buck up and be glad it ain't you in the crosshairs.

babynoz said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

It amazes me that the trend is going back toward women's value once again being defined by their pussies. That is your comment right there! And wouldn't Camila be part of that trend? Since you agree with Jill that Camila's cover is not okay?

Instead of using a general statement to try and twist my words to your agenda, go back and read reply #9 liar! I Clearly said that I did NOT see Camila as part of that trend.


"I agree that Jill singling this lady out isn't a good example of the point she is trying to make, but her point is still valid.


I don't have a problem with the album cover but the music sucks."



I SPECIFICALLY SAID THAT JILL USED THE WRONG EXAMPLE TO MAKE HER POINT AND THAT I DO NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE ALBUM COVER, LIAR. YOU ARE NOT SLICK.

You should have quit when Genesia handed you your ass. But attention trolls have no boundaries or shame I guess.

Then I got things wrong and I apologize for that, but this is no reason to attack me like you and poppys are doing it right now. Oh and while we're on the subject, I got things wrong with your comments towards Camila, but it was YOU who just cut out my comment so that no one could what you've been talking about. And that is okay? You wanna know what some send me in org notes because of you and poppys?

[Edited 1/19/18 15:39pm]

[Edited 1/19/18 15:41pm]

ThatWhiteDude said:

babynoz said:

Instead of using a general statement to try and twist my words to your agenda, go back and read reply #9 liar! I Clearly said that I did NOT see Camila as part of that trend.


"I agree that Jill singling this lady out isn't a good example of the point she is trying to make, but her point is still valid.


I don't have a problem with the album cover but the music sucks."



I SPECIFICALLY SAID THAT JILL USED THE WRONG EXAMPLE TO MAKE HER POINT AND THAT I DO NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE ALBUM COVER, LIAR. YOU ARE NOT SLICK.

You should have quit when Genesia handed you your ass. But attention trolls have no boundaries or shame I guess.

Then I got things wrong and I apologize for that, but this is no reason to attack me like you and poppys are doing it right now.

[Edited 1/19/18 15:39pm]

I have not said anything that is against the site rules. It is not an attack when both Genesia and myself had to defend ourselves against YOUR attack with YOUR unfair and untruthful characterization of our words.

babynoz said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Then I got things wrong and I apologize for that, but this is no reason to attack me like you and poppys are doing it right now.

[Edited 1/19/18 15:39pm]

I have not said anything that is against the site rules. It is not an attack when both Genesia and myself had to defend ourselves against YOUR attack with YOUR unfair and untruthful characterization of our words.

It wasn't an attack, I stated my opinion on your comments and I simply got your comments wrong, it wouldn't have been an attack if I got your comments right, because it was just my opinion. I didn't insult anyone here, and I didn't say anything that is against the rules either.

[Edited 1/19/18 15:51pm]

ThatWhiteDude said:

poppys said:

I was not attacking Penny.

But you've been attacking Prince because you assumed Penny called Jill a slut

Here is the first post you jumped on me in this thread, #51. I still can't figure out how you got that from the discussion.

[Edited 1/19/18 15:56pm]

poppys said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

But you've been attacking Prince because you assumed Penny called Jill a slut

Here is the first post you jumped on me in this thread, #51. I still can't figure out how you got that from the discussion.

You do know what OfS did tell you about that? Are you kidding right now???? Is this a joke??? What the hell is going on here???

babynoz said:

PennyPurple said:

Sheesh, can we not ever have a conversation, without people calling names and changing other peoples quotes?

CC probably doesn't even know who the heck JJ is.

Sorry but when people resort to lying on me the gloves come off. I don't allow that.

You're just gonna have to buck up and be glad it ain't you in the crosshairs.

That's for damn sure!!

poppys said:

PennyPurple said:

babynoz said:

Sorry but when people resort to lying on me the gloves come off. I don't allow that.

You're just gonna have to buck up and be glad it ain't you in the crosshairs.

That's for damn sure!!

purplefam99 said:

poppys said:

Here is the first post you jumped on me in this thread, #51. I still can't figure out how you got that from the discussion.

When I read that exchange I did not at all get that Poppy’s was calling any one a slut. I got only that the call was to fairness and that they were both acting slutty. I don’t get why the next comment wasn’t “ oh yes of course Prince is the other half in this slutty experience”. [Edited 1/19/18 15:58pm]

I didn't say that poppys called anyone a slut??

Okay, can I just clarify that: "I did a mistake by getting some comments wrong! And that's not okay I get it! But you know what poppys, if you read this, I'd love to show you what you did when you claimed I've been nasty, when I wasn't!!!

poppys said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Now you using this against me? I apologized for that and it was okay for you!

Saying you are sorry in an org note is not the same as apologizing on the thread. And you continue to be agressive. Calm down and discuss the topic or not.

It was okay for you and now you're acting like that? You tell me to calm down? Do you have any idea what your comment did? I was calm unitl you said I've coming off as nasty, when I haven't been nasty.