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Jill Jones - The Revolution is a Milli Vanilli Band

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3nBvmhrmC4

Edit: This interview is from October 2016.

lol lol lol



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Reply #1 posted 12/14/17 11:13am

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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

https://www.youtube.com/w...3nBvmhrmC4

Jill is at it again.

lol lol lol


There, fixed your link. I am gonna go listen now.

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Reply #2 posted 12/14/17 11:17am

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Mumio said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

https://www.youtube.com/w...3nBvmhrmC4

Jill is at it again.

lol lol lol


There, fixed your link. I am gonna go listen now.



Thanks!


I just realized this is an October 2016 interview.

lol

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Yeah, it seems like the videos on this YT channel are all sourced from older stuff. Not sure why that's being done but....whatever.

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That Jamie Starr News has been posting a lot of stuff about Prince and his associates.

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Not a nice thing to say, especially since Rob Pilatus died of a drug/alcohol overdose in 1998. sad

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Jill has issues.

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cloveringold85 said:

That Jamie Starr News has been posting a lot of stuff about Prince and his associates.


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Not a nice thing to say, especially since Rob Pilatus died of a drug/alcohol overdose in 1998. sad


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Jill has issues.




—Rob’s death has nothing to do with her comments. She is saying that the Revolution did not make a lot contributions. You do know that Prince wrote and played the bulk of the material by himself.
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cloveringold85 said:

That Jamie Starr News has been posting a lot of stuff about Prince and his associates.

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Not a nice thing to say, especially since Rob Pilatus died of a drug/alcohol overdose in 1998. sad

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Jill has issues.

I said the same thing when I read that FB post

If the Revolution is so fake why would JJ want to perform with them...

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laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

That Jamie Starr News has been posting a lot of stuff about Prince and his associates.

.

Not a nice thing to say, especially since Rob Pilatus died of a drug/alcohol overdose in 1998. sad

.

Jill has issues.

—Rob’s death has nothing to do with her comments. She is saying that the Revolution did not make a lot contributions. You do know that Prince wrote and played the bulk of the material by himself.

Well Milli Vanilli is Rob. And the Revolution actually did play on a lot of the music, record, flesh out a lot of the music with Prince in the studio and actually played/sang/performed live. They were not up there holding instrument while someone else played the music behind the curtain. That would be a Milli Vanilli comparison.

.

Then that comment is directed at Vanity 6, the Time, Madhouse, Sheila E and even Jill Jones

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I agree that the Milli Vanilli shit is a stupid reference. But I listened to the interview. She admits that she had personal issues with Prince (calling him "wonderful" underneath all his flaws basically while acknowledging that they went toe to toe a lot ) but she doesn't overstate her importance to his sound. She says she contributed vocally to his sound. She believes they overstate their importance. You can agree or disagree with her or say she doesn't know what she is talking about. But it sounds like she has specific issues with them. Is she jealous of them? Maybe. But that is not just misdirected anger at Prince. But she makes other points. Her points about their only covering ("cherry-picking") music from their era making him appear one-dimensional as an artist, her defending his later associates and stating that she felt they were left out, her preference for Sheila E's way of doing things in terms of tributes etc, their announcing their reunion 3 days after he died---these are all choices people made after Prince died. She appears to be looking after his legacy, not just her own. (she doesn't seem jealous of Sheila' E attention.) You can agree or disagree with her assessment. My view is people mourn differently, (so who knows what people feel deep down) but that doesn't mean I have to agree with how they go about representing his overall career.

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I agree that the Milli Vanilli shit is a stupid reference. But I listened to the interview. She admits that she had personal issues with Prince (calling him "wonderful" underneath all his flaws basically while acknowledging that they went toe to toe a lot ) but she doesn't overstate her importance to his sound. She says she contributed vocally to his sound. She believes they overstate their importance. You can agree or disagree with her or say she doesn't know what she is talking about. But it sounds like she has specific issues with them. Is she jealous of them? Maybe. But that is not just misdirected anger at Prince. But she makes other points. Her points about their only covering ("cherry-picking") music from their era making him appear one-dimensional as an artist, her defending his later associates and stating that she felt they were left out, her preference for Sheila E's way of doing things in terms of tributes etc, their announcing their reunion 3 days after he died---these are all choices people made after Prince died. She appears to be looking after his legacy, not just her own. (she doesn't seem jealous of Sheila' E attention.) You can agree or disagree with her assessment. My view is people mourn differently, (so who knows what people feel deep down) but that doesn't mean I have to agree with how they go about representing his overall career.

[Edited 12/15/17 6:23am]

Well is she has some envy or some other issues, that clouds her opinion.

.
If she was on stage with them Sept 2016 would she have these issues?

Would we be discussing all of this?

.

If they are trying to get together and remember their time with Prince, wouldn't doing songs they all worked on/performed on with Prince, be the way to go? Doing Cream wouldn't make sense

.

Prior to Sept 2016 their performed together as a band(w/Dez) in 2012. By the April PP 2017 tribute show, they only performed between Sept 2016 4 times. And why are they being judged and attacked for not doing songs throught his whole career catalogue. As a fan I prefere it the way they are doing it. I would prefer the NPG(s) do the songs during their time period. So many songs that were never performed/performed again after their configuration split.

.

Mourn differently. But when you attack people, that is not right. I don't care if it is family coworker or celebrity. I've seen it happen, and their is no justification for it. Jill might be looking out for his legacy in her way. But attacking people is not the way. He was friends with all of the Revolution members up till has death, his friendship with Jill stopped after 1990, and he reached out to her after Vanity passed away (and possibly knowing something was going wrong with him) along with many others in 2016. She has a right in her place and name in the Legacy. But attacking people because they aren't doing things they way she thinks isn't protecting a legacy.

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Remind me...did they invite her to the September performance or not??

OldFriends4Sale said:

purplerabbithole said:

I agree that the Milli Vanilli shit is a stupid reference. But I listened to the interview. She admits that she had personal issues with Prince (calling him "wonderful" underneath all his flaws basically while acknowledging that they went toe to toe a lot ) but she doesn't overstate her importance to his sound. She says she contributed vocally to his sound. She believes they overstate their importance. You can agree or disagree with her or say she doesn't know what she is talking about. But it sounds like she has specific issues with them. Is she jealous of them? Maybe. But that is not just misdirected anger at Prince. But she makes other points. Her points about their only covering ("cherry-picking") music from their era making him appear one-dimensional as an artist, her defending his later associates and stating that she felt they were left out, her preference for Sheila E's way of doing things in terms of tributes etc, their announcing their reunion 3 days after he died---these are all choices people made after Prince died. She appears to be looking after his legacy, not just her own. (she doesn't seem jealous of Sheila' E attention.) You can agree or disagree with her assessment. My view is people mourn differently, (so who knows what people feel deep down) but that doesn't mean I have to agree with how they go about representing his overall career.

[Edited 12/15/17 6:23am]

Well is she has some envy or some other issues, that clouds her opinion.

.
If she was on stage with them Sept 2016 would she have these issues?

Would we be discussing all of this?

.

If they are trying to get together and remember their time with Prince, wouldn't doing songs they all worked on/performed on with Prince, be the way to go? Doing Cream wouldn't make sense

.

Prior to Sept 2016 their performed together as a band(w/Dez) in 2012. By the April PP 2017 tribute show, they only performed between Sept 2016 4 times. And why are they being judged and attacked for not doing songs throught his whole career catalogue. As a fan I prefere it the way they are doing it. I would prefer the NPG(s) do the songs during their time period. So many songs that were never performed/performed again after their configuration split.

.

Mourn differently. But when you attack people, that is not right. I don't care if it is family coworker or celebrity. I've seen it happen, and their is no justification for it. Jill might be looking out for his legacy in her way. But attacking people is not the way. He was friends with all of the Revolution members up till has death, his friendship with Jill stopped after 1990, and he reached out to her after Vanity passed away (and possibly knowing something was going wrong with him) along with many others in 2016. She has a right in her place and name in the Legacy. But attacking people because they aren't doing things they way she thinks isn't protecting a legacy.

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OldFriends4Sale said:

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said: —Rob’s death has nothing to do with her comments. She is saying that the Revolution did not make a lot contributions. You do know that Prince wrote and played the bulk of the material by himself.

Well Milli Vanilli is Rob. And the Revolution actually did play on a lot of the music, record, flesh out a lot of the music with Prince in the studio and actually played/sang/performed live. They were not up there holding instrument while someone else played the music behind the curtain. That would be a Milli Vanilli comparison.

.

Then that comment is directed at Vanity 6, the Time, Madhouse, Sheila E and even Jill Jones

Why are you so black and white? Prince did not need the Revolution in the studio that is what Jill is talking about. She is saying they were not really a band in the studio. The did not even play on all the cuts on PR.

Take sometime to listen to the entire interview. Jill articulates herself very well and is no dummy.

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laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Well Milli Vanilli is Rob. And the Revolution actually did play on a lot of the music, record, flesh out a lot of the music with Prince in the studio and actually played/sang/performed live. They were not up there holding instrument while someone else played the music behind the curtain. That would be a Milli Vanilli comparison.

.

Then that comment is directed at Vanity 6, the Time, Madhouse, Sheila E and even Jill Jones

Why are you so black and white? Prince did not need the Revolution in the studio that is what Jill is talking about. She is saying they were not really a band in the studio. The did not even play on all the cuts on PR.

Take sometime to listen to the entire interview. Jill articulates herself very well and is no dummy.

The Milli Vanilli comparison is wrong

.

Prince did not need the Time the Family Sheila E(band) NPG or whoever was in JJ's band in 1987 either. That does not make it a front. Milli Vanilli was a front.

.

They were a real band in the studio. All bands outside of bands like Kiss, don't use everyone on all songs. They were used to help flesh out a lot of the music (released and unreleased) The Time band was doing the same thing.

.

The band played on Let's Go Crazy, Take Me With U, Computer Blue Purple Rain IWD4U and Baby I'm a Star. Prince did the Beautiful Ones Darling Nikki & When Doves Cry Alone

.

Why or how does that make them a Milli Vanilli band. Not to mention they are the backing band on All Day All Night on her album. And the Family:Jellybean Eric Leeds St Paul Peterson(and others) played on 4 Love

What songs did Prince(Joey Coco) write that she had nothing to do with ? like Mia Bocca, GSpot, All Day All Night, With U. It seems only 3-4 are co-creations.

.

Jill Jones didn't say anything that us fans don't know about how the recording and such went. What would be the purpose ?

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purplerabbithole said:

Remind me...did they invite her to the September performance or not??

OldFriends4Sale said:

Well is she has some envy or some other issues, that clouds her opinion.

.
If she was on stage with them Sept 2016 would she have these issues?

Would we be discussing all of this?

.

If they are trying to get together and remember their time with Prince, wouldn't doing songs they all worked on/performed on with Prince, be the way to go? Doing Cream wouldn't make sense

.

Prior to Sept 2016 their performed together as a band(w/Dez) in 2012. By the April PP 2017 tribute show, they only performed between Sept 2016 4 times. And why are they being judged and attacked for not doing songs throught his whole career catalogue. As a fan I prefere it the way they are doing it. I would prefer the NPG(s) do the songs during their time period. So many songs that were never performed/performed again after their configuration split.

.

Mourn differently. But when you attack people, that is not right. I don't care if it is family coworker or celebrity. I've seen it happen, and their is no justification for it. Jill might be looking out for his legacy in her way. But attacking people is not the way. He was friends with all of the Revolution members up till has death, his friendship with Jill stopped after 1990, and he reached out to her after Vanity passed away (and possibly knowing something was going wrong with him) along with many others in 2016. She has a right in her place and name in the Legacy. But attacking people because they aren't doing things they way she thinks isn't protecting a legacy.

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I'd be happy enough of this Milli Vanilli band started playing songs from their solo careers at their gigs.
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I'd be happy enough of this Milli Vanilli band started playing songs from their solo careers at their gigs.

I cannot wait to hear some 'boots' performed live and Dream Factory cuts

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Reply #16 posted 12/15/17 9:10am

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OldFriends4Sale said:

laurarichardson said:

Why are you so black and white? Prince did not need the Revolution in the studio that is what Jill is talking about. She is saying they were not really a band in the studio. The did not even play on all the cuts on PR.

Take sometime to listen to the entire interview. Jill articulates herself very well and is no dummy.

The Milli Vanilli comparison is wrong

.

Prince did not need the Time the Family Sheila E(band) NPG or whoever was in JJ's band in 1987 either. That does not make it a front. Milli Vanilli was a front.

.

They were a real band in the studio. All bands outside of bands like Kiss, don't use everyone on all songs. They were used to help flesh out a lot of the music (released and unreleased) The Time band was doing the same thing.

.

The band played on Let's Go Crazy, Take Me With U, Computer Blue Purple Rain IWD4U and Baby I'm a Star. Prince did the Beautiful Ones Darling Nikki & When Doves Cry Alone

.

Why or how does that make them a Milli Vanilli band. Not to mention they are the backing band on All Day All Night on her album. And the Family:Jellybean Eric Leeds St Paul Peterson(and others) played on 4 Love

What songs did Prince(Joey Coco) write that she had nothing to do with ? like Mia Bocca, GSpot, All Day All Night, With U. It seems only 3-4 are co-creations.

.

Jill Jones didn't say anything that us fans don't know about how the recording and such went. What would be the purpose ?

Exactly. There's a major difference between Milli Vanilli and hired guns (which is something she also, more accurately called them).

.

But I also don't think it's right to downplay the importance of hired guns. They can be incredibly important in the studio when it comes to arranging. They're so important live because, even if Prince did play everything in the studio (inarguably, he could), he couldn't recreate it on his own in a live setting.

.

And there's been a lot of discussion about those jam sessions. The bottom line is, if what ends up on the record came out of a jam session that they were a part of, then they're a part of the music. Not equal split writing partners, but they're still a part of it.

.

I think a lot of people really don't fully understand hired guns and how they contribute to the music. Some are more influential than others. The Revolution have specific stories about how they contributed to the music.

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If Mark hadn't been in the band, the bass wouldn't boom like that. If Wendy weren't playing guitar on Purple Rain, the chords wouldn't have been opened up like that. They all have stories like that. It contributes to the color of the sound.

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Having read the In the Studio book recently, it's clear he was mostly doing all his recordings in the studio by himself; however he was also jamming with the Revolution for hours and hours for weeks on end and using these jams to write his songs - that's where their contribution was coming from. While we know people in the revolution take credit for the odd riff and groove here and there we'd need some kind of impossible Prince - The Complete Soundchecks and Rehearsals book or boot to try and untangle every single piece of music and assign "inspiration" credits, and it'd be a very silly exercise.

Would Prince have made Purple Rain without the Revolution? Hell yeah, he was on fire creatively, but it wouldn't have been Purple Rain as we know it.

Milli Vanilli weren't jamming with Frank Farian and his musicians to inspire them to find a sound and write the music. Ultimately Jill Jones was purposely making a mean-spirited comment for whatever reason and that's the issue here.


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jaawwnn said:

Having read the In the Studio book recently, it's clear he was mostly doing all his recordings in the studio by himself; however he was also jamming with the Revolution for hours and hours for weeks on end and using these jams to write his songs - that's where their contribution was coming from. While we know people in the revolution take credit for the odd riff and groove here and there we'd need some kind of impossible Prince - The Complete Soundchecks and Rehearsals book or boot to try and untangle every single piece of music and assign "inspiration" credits, and it'd be a very silly exercise.

Would Prince have made Purple Rain without the Revolution? Hell yeah, he was on fire creatively, but it wouldn't have been Purple Rain as we know it.

Milli Vanilli weren't jamming with Frank Farian and his musicians to inspire them to find a sound and write the music. Ultimately Jill Jones was purposely making a mean-spirited comment for whatever reason and that's the issue here.


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It would be cool to have a "Prince and The Revolution - the complete rehearsals" set. Then we could judge for ourselves. From the rehearsals we do have on boots it's pretty clear that Prince called the shots creatively. He used the band almost as a human sequenser, allowing him to try out different ideas in real time.
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jaawwnn said:

Having read the In the Studio book recently, it's clear he was mostly doing all his recordings in the studio by himself; however he was also jamming with the Revolution for hours and hours for weeks on end and using these jams to write his songs - that's where their contribution was coming from. While we know people in the revolution take credit for the odd riff and groove here and there we'd need some kind of impossible Prince - The Complete Soundchecks and Rehearsals book or boot to try and untangle every single piece of music and assign "inspiration" credits, and it'd be a very silly exercise.

Would Prince have made Purple Rain without the Revolution? Hell yeah, he was on fire creatively, but it wouldn't have been Purple Rain as we know it.

Milli Vanilli weren't jamming with Frank Farian and his musicians to inspire them to find a sound and write the music. Ultimately Jill Jones was purposely making a mean-spirited comment for whatever reason and that's the issue here.


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laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

That Jamie Starr News has been posting a lot of stuff about Prince and his associates.

.

Not a nice thing to say, especially since Rob Pilatus died of a drug/alcohol overdose in 1998. sad

.

Jill has issues.

—Rob’s death has nothing to do with her comments. She is saying that the Revolution did not make a lot contributions. You do know that Prince wrote and played the bulk of the material by himself.

.

Yes, I know that. Milli Vanilli has always been the butt of a joke over the years, but I thought her comment was insensitive because Rob is deceased. I was just adding to the conversation.

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OldFriends4Sale said:

cloveringold85 said:

That Jamie Starr News has been posting a lot of stuff about Prince and his associates.

.

Not a nice thing to say, especially since Rob Pilatus died of a drug/alcohol overdose in 1998. sad

.

Jill has issues.

I said the same thing when I read that FB post

If the Revolution is so fake why would JJ want to perform with them...

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Thank you. Laura took what I said out of context. I thought Jill's comment was insensitive, and just adding that to the conversation.

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purplerabbithole said:

I agree that the Milli Vanilli shit is a stupid reference. But I listened to the interview. She admits that she had personal issues with Prince (calling him "wonderful" underneath all his flaws basically while acknowledging that they went toe to toe a lot ) but she doesn't overstate her importance to his sound. She says she contributed vocally to his sound. She believes they overstate their importance. You can agree or disagree with her or say she doesn't know what she is talking about. But it sounds like she has specific issues with them. Is she jealous of them? Maybe. But that is not just misdirected anger at Prince. But she makes other points. Her points about their only covering ("cherry-picking") music from their era making him appear one-dimensional as an artist, her defending his later associates and stating that she felt they were left out, her preference for Sheila E's way of doing things in terms of tributes etc, their announcing their reunion 3 days after he died---these are all choices people made after Prince died. She appears to be looking after his legacy, not just her own. (she doesn't seem jealous of Sheila' E attention.) You can agree or disagree with her assessment. My view is people mourn differently, (so who knows what people feel deep down) but that doesn't mean I have to agree with how they go about representing his overall career.

[Edited 12/15/17 6:23am]

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I totally get what Jill is saying. She feels the Revolution treat her as if she is beneath them, when there are plenty of other artist's that have contributions to Prince's music, and Jill being one of many. People just need to put their ego's on the shelf.

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crimesofparis said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

The Milli Vanilli comparison is wrong

.

Prince did not need the Time the Family Sheila E(band) NPG or whoever was in JJ's band in 1987 either. That does not make it a front. Milli Vanilli was a front.

.

They were a real band in the studio. All bands outside of bands like Kiss, don't use everyone on all songs. They were used to help flesh out a lot of the music (released and unreleased) The Time band was doing the same thing.

.

The band played on Let's Go Crazy, Take Me With U, Computer Blue Purple Rain IWD4U and Baby I'm a Star. Prince did the Beautiful Ones Darling Nikki & When Doves Cry Alone

.

Why or how does that make them a Milli Vanilli band. Not to mention they are the backing band on All Day All Night on her album. And the Family:Jellybean Eric Leeds St Paul Peterson(and others) played on 4 Love

What songs did Prince(Joey Coco) write that she had nothing to do with ? like Mia Bocca, GSpot, All Day All Night, With U. It seems only 3-4 are co-creations.

.

Jill Jones didn't say anything that us fans don't know about how the recording and such went. What would be the purpose ?

Exactly. There's a major difference between Milli Vanilli and hired guns (which is something she also, more accurately called them).

.

But I also don't think it's right to downplay the importance of hired guns. They can be incredibly important in the studio when it comes to arranging. They're so important live because, even if Prince did play everything in the studio (inarguably, he could), he couldn't recreate it on his own in a live setting.

.

And there's been a lot of discussion about those jam sessions. The bottom line is, if what ends up on the record came out of a jam session that they were a part of, then they're a part of the music. Not equal split writing partners, but they're still a part of it.

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I think a lot of people really don't fully understand hired guns and how they contribute to the music. Some are more influential than others. The Revolution have specific stories about how they contributed to the music.

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If Mark hadn't been in the band, the bass wouldn't boom like that. If Wendy weren't playing guitar on Purple Rain, the chords wouldn't have been opened up like that. They all have stories like that. It contributes to the color of the sound.

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Very true. The Revolution is/was hired musicians. Big difference between a musician and a singing act/duo.

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Reply #24 posted 12/15/17 4:21pm

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jaawwnn said:

Having read the In the Studio book recently, it's clear he was mostly doing all his recordings in the studio by himself; however he was also jamming with the Revolution for hours and hours for weeks on end and using these jams to write his songs - that's where their contribution was coming from. While we know people in the revolution take credit for the odd riff and groove here and there we'd need some kind of impossible Prince - The Complete Soundchecks and Rehearsals book or boot to try and untangle every single piece of music and assign "inspiration" credits, and it'd be a very silly exercise.

Would Prince have made Purple Rain without the Revolution? Hell yeah, he was on fire creatively, but it wouldn't have been Purple Rain as we know it.

Milli Vanilli weren't jamming with Frank Farian and his musicians to inspire them to find a sound and write the music. Ultimately Jill Jones was purposely making a mean-spirited comment for whatever reason and that's the issue here.


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It would be cool to have a "Prince and The Revolution - the complete rehearsals" set. Then we could judge for ourselves. From the rehearsals we do have on boots it's pretty clear that Prince called the shots creatively. He used the band almost as a human sequenser, allowing him to try out different ideas in real time.

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Reply #25 posted 12/16/17 1:59am

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that's not a nice thing to say confused shame on Jill

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OldFriends4Sale said:

Well Milli Vanilli is Rob. And the Revolution actually did play on a lot of the music, record, flesh out a lot of the music with Prince in the studio and actually played/sang/performed live. They were not up there holding instrument while someone else played the music behind the curtain. That would be a Milli Vanilli comparison.

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Then that comment is directed at Vanity 6, the Time, Madhouse, Sheila E and even Jill Jones

Why are you so black and white? Prince did not need the Revolution in the studio that is what Jill is talking about. She is saying they were not really a band in the studio. The did not even play on all the cuts on PR.

Take sometime to listen to the entire interview. Jill articulates herself very well and is no dummy.

Most of his albums he is the only one. Take Emancipation, he is doing everything on that record which is why when PRINCE toured Emancipation almost nothing from the 36 song set was even played, it was not because he focused or wanted to play hits it was that no one knew the music and it was so layered it couldnt be done. I think later in life more played on the albums but i think that was more a physical limitation then an artistic one.


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laurarichardson said:

Why are you so black and white? Prince did not need the Revolution in the studio that is what Jill is talking about. She is saying they were not really a band in the studio. The did not even play on all the cuts on PR.

Take sometime to listen to the entire interview. Jill articulates herself very well and is no dummy.

Most of his albums he is the only one. Take Emancipation, he is doing everything on that record which is why when PRINCE toured Emancipation almost nothing from the 36 song set was even played, it was not because he focused or wanted to play hits it was that no one knew the music and it was so layered it couldnt be done. I think later in life more played on the albums but i think that was more a physical limitation then an artistic one.

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Reply #28 posted 12/18/17 7:53am

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Milli Vanilli were an awful duo with a rubbish name. They mimed 2 songs that some other guy was actually singing and wanted to take the credit 4 it. So FAKE and so WRONG! The Revolution are a band of talented musicians and 2 compare them with MV is unfair.

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cloveringold85 said:

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I said the same thing when I read that FB post

If the Revolution is so fake why would JJ want to perform with them...

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Thank you. Laura took what I said out of context. I thought Jill's comment was insensitive, and just adding that to the conversation.

Her comments about the Revoluation being like MV have nothing to do with Rob's drug issues. You are taking what she said out of context.

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