paulludvig said:

luvsexy4all said:

didnt she say SHE introduced him to beatles music?

At one point she also said she wrote Purple Rain. Obviously not true, but there you go.

I know what interview you are talking about, from 2000-ish. You aren't representing it properly. Those are obviously her chords. Actually, Prince told me they were her chords in an aol chat around 1996. Take the stick out of your ass.

JudasLChrist said:

paulludvig said:

JudasLChrist said:

I know what interview you are talking about, from 2000-ish. You aren't representing it properly. Those are obviously her chords. Actually, Prince told me they were her chords in an aol chat around 1996. Take the stick out of your ass.

They are not 'her chords'. Prince wrote the chord sequence. W playes the first chord as an open suss. Purple Rain is still the same song without that.

He told me they were her chords. Literally "Those are Wendy's chords".

[Edited 4/27/17 2:02am]

JudasLChrist said:

paulludvig said:

JudasLChrist said: They are not 'her chords'. Prince wrote the chord sequence. W playes the first chord as an open suss. Purple Rain is still the same song without that.

He told me they were her chords. Literally "Those are Wendy's chords".

[Edited 4/27/17 2:02am]

We have a version with Prince on piano recorded before she became part of the band. Prince wrote the chord sequence. He wrote the melody. And he wrote the words. Of course musicians will put their personal touch on a song when they play.

paulludvig said:

JudasLChrist said:

He told me they were her chords. Literally "Those are Wendy's chords".

[Edited 4/27/17 2:02am]

We have a version with Prince on piano recorded before she became part of the band. Prince wrote the chord sequence. He wrote the melody. And he wrote the words. Of course musicians will put their personal touch on a song when they play.

No argument from me there. But otherwise you need to check yourself when it comes to slagging these people. You are exhibiting prejudice which is completely unecessary, and not appropriate.

BrownMark can be just as bad at times. I don't think he meant anything by it but in one interview I just saw he said he wrote the music to Kiss. NO further explanation...like Prince wrote the melody and lyrics as a bluesy accoustic number, gave the demo to Mazarati, Brown reworked it into a funk number, Prince took the song back and took out the bass part, added a guitar solo and put his vocals back in. Brown, by leaving that information out, seemed to exclude Prince from the entire creativve process. Of course, I guess people could say that Prince was guilty of excluding him in the first place..but my question is "Didn't he credit the song to Prince and the Revolution and Mark Brown was part of the Revolution?"

purplerabbithole said:

BrownMark can be just as bad at times. I don't think he meant anything by it but in one interview I just saw he said he wrote the music to Kiss. NO further explanation...like Prince wrote the melody and lyrics as a bluesy accoustic number, gave the demo to Mazarati, Brown reworked it into a funk number, Prince took the song back and took out the bass part, added a guitar solo and put his vocals back in. Brown, by leaving that information out, seemed to exclude Prince from the entire creativve process. Of course, I guess people could say that Prince was guilty of excluding him in the first place..but my question is "Didn't he credit the song to Prince and the Revolution and Mark Brown was part of the Revolution?"

Oh Brown Mark even said he doesn't do well being interviewed or talking about stuff.
We all know he isn't saying what U R implying. This is BS.
The full story of the final creation of Kiss is out there clear and in the open.

Nothing wrong with BrownMark Mazarati & David Z talking about what happened when Prince handed that demo over to them. Most people didn't know about that stuff till yeeeaaars later.

paulludvig said:

JudasLChrist said:

He told me they were her chords. Literally "Those are Wendy's chords".

[Edited 4/27/17 2:02am]

We have a version with Prince on piano recorded before she became part of the band. Prince wrote the chord sequence. He wrote the melody. And he wrote the words. Of course musicians will put their personal touch on a song when they play.

http://prince.org/msg/5/432188

Credits to people who didn't actually perform

cbarnes3121 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Wendy was in his life the whole time until 2016

And they never claimed they made Prince, people need to stop with that crap.

The whole time ?? Ok

yes from the time she met him

purplerabbithole said:

BrownMark can be just as bad at times. I don't think he meant anything by it but in one interview I just saw he said he wrote the music to Kiss. NO further explanation...like Prince wrote the melody and lyrics as a bluesy accoustic number, gave the demo to Mazarati, Brown reworked it into a funk number, Prince took the song back and took out the bass part, added a guitar solo and put his vocals back in. Brown, by leaving that information out, seemed to exclude Prince from the entire creativve process. Of course, I guess people could say that Prince was guilty of excluding him in the first place..but my question is "Didn't he credit the song to Prince and the Revolution and Mark Brown was part of the Revolution?"

David Z worked on that record and he has said repeatly Prince took a nothing arrangement and made it into Kiss. The Mazarittiz version is awful. I think Mark is a great bassiest who was never going to make it as a solo act and needs to get over it which I think listening to his podcast he has. After all he was once advertising his services as a bassiest via his Facebook page when he claims Prince tried to get him back in his band numerous times. I kind of think he was crazy not to take the job but I think all these musicians are a little off.

purplerabbithole said:

Yeah, because Prince lived under a rock and had never heard of the Beatles?

luvsexy4all said:

didnt she say SHE introduced him to beatles music?

Heard of and Listened to are 2 different things.

Andre heard of Prince's albums after he left the camp, but according to him, he never listened to them

GuyBros said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Yeah um It was a lot of fun, a lot of people like to say did you collaborated with Prince in the studio
I don't say we collaborated as much as the Revolution tried to live out his dream, we got into the mind of Prince we learned what it was he was trying to accomplish. So I think that was more the collaboration, us learning 'what is it you're looking for?'
and once we could see his direction, we would jam so much, we would sometimes jam from 10 o'clock in the morning to 10 o'clock at night. I remember sometimes eating lunch while I'm still playing. I would walk to the lunchroom with my bass because it was on a wireless rig and then I would go into the refrigerator grab food and come back and I'd still be playing with one hand while eating. That's how intense we were, and I think from that we helped Prince create not only a style and energy but it was almost like a freight train, it was so heavy that even when other musicians would come and stand up with us they didn't even know where to begin, it was very difficult for them to hang with us because the style that we developed was so powerful and was so rhythmic that uh they didn't know how to jam with us. It was a very interesting time period, but I think I think a lot of music came from that type of grooving and jamming together

-BrownMark

Oh lawd. Here we go. You know what's next.

Brownmark is getting on my nerves.

LOL I think a bunch these _ are the children of washed up musicians that wish they were in Prince's band but Wendy Lisa and the Revolution got in the way

paulludvig said:

luvsexy4all said:

didnt she say SHE introduced him to beatles music?

At one point she also said she wrote Purple Rain. Obviously not true, but there you go.

Stop vomiting up the same things we just went over in a different 'active' thread. You know all the information posted about that, and you still post this to start more BS. Which makes you a troll, who really is not interested in FACTs, as you presume. Are U still on Susannah's FB page and angry because Wendy didn't approve your FB friend request?

paulludvig said:

JudasLChrist said:

He told me they were her chords. Literally "Those are Wendy's chords".

[Edited 4/27/17 2:02am]

We have a version with Prince on piano recorded before she became part of the band. Prince wrote the chord sequence. He wrote the melody. And he wrote the words. Of course musicians will put their personal touch on a song when they play.

what version do you have when she was not part of the band?

laurarichardson said:

purplerabbithole said:

BrownMark can be just as bad at times. I don't think he meant anything by it but in one interview I just saw he said he wrote the music to Kiss. NO further explanation...like Prince wrote the melody and lyrics as a bluesy accoustic number, gave the demo to Mazarati, Brown reworked it into a funk number, Prince took the song back and took out the bass part, added a guitar solo and put his vocals back in. Brown, by leaving that information out, seemed to exclude Prince from the entire creativve process. Of course, I guess people could say that Prince was guilty of excluding him in the first place..but my question is "Didn't he credit the song to Prince and the Revolution and Mark Brown was part of the Revolution?"

David Z worked on that record and he has said repeatly Prince took a nothing arrangement and made it into Kiss. The Mazarittiz version is awful. I think Mark is a great bassiest who was never going to make it as a solo act and needs to get over it which I think listening to his podcast he has. After all he was once advertising his services as a bassiest via his Facebook page when he claims Prince tried to get him back in his band numerous times. I kind of think he was crazy not to take the job but I think all these musicians are a little off.

Naw, the progression got better each step.

There is a really good reason Prince threw Kiss (away) to Mazarati, I'm a huge demo fan, but that demo is not a good listen, Mazarati/Mark/David Z seriously improved it(which of course is why Prince got excited and took it back) the thing about their version that wasn't good was Sir Casey Terry's delivery of the lyrics, the chorus was great(which Prince kept), and then when Prince got it again he changed the lyrical delivery removed the bass(When Doves Cry - ATWIAD) and the rest is history.

totally agree wth OP. Seriously she has a dig at all bands who have followed since & her ego seems to be drifting back to Purple Rain days.

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

totally agree wth OP. Seriously she has a dig at all bands who have followed since & her ego seems to be drifting back to Purple Rain days.

Can U post that info of her taking digs at ALL the bands who have followed?

OldFriends4Sale said:

JudasLChrist said:

paulludvig said:

JudasLChrist said: They are not 'her chords'. Prince wrote the chord sequence. W playes the first chord as an open suss. Purple Rain is still the same song without that.

He told me they were her chords. Literally "Those are Wendy's chords".

[Edited 4/27/17 2:02am]

I mean why would any of his words matter regarding people who influenced his life? Can't you see paulludvig doesn't care what p thought about Wendy and Lisa's contributions? Even prince's own opinions don't matter when you have a vendetta against these women. Don't you understand?

paulludvig said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Stop vomiting up the same things we just went over in a different 'active' thread. You know all the information posted about that, and you still post this to start more BS. Which makes you a troll, who really is not interested in FACTs, as you presume. Are U still on Susannah's FB page and angry because Wendy didn't approve your FB friend request?

That other thread was about a different song. And again- I notice you prefer to talk about me rather than the topic at hand. I think you should stop doing that. I never talk about you. Even though I could.

NOPE, same people brought up the misunderstood idea that 'Wendy said she/they wrote Purple Rain'

and people/TrivialP I believe straightened out that on the PR move anniversary edition or something that she was moking that idea. As in she was making fun of the idea by imitating what people were saying. If you are about facts as you say(even though it only seems you are interested only in Lisa & Wendy) then why don't you watch the dvd commentary. Instead of continually throwing out the same accusation over and over.

It is interesting how emotional some people get when Wendy is criticized. Personal attacks and all. I hope that doesn't scare people away from dicussing the Revolution years in truthful and freespirited manner.

[Edited 4/27/17 9:02am]

paulludvig said:

It is interesting how emotional some people get when Wendy is criticized. Personal attacks and all. I hope that doesn't scarepeople away from dicussing the Revolution years in truthful and freespirited manner.

http://prince.org/msg/5/432188

Credits to people who didn't actually perform

OldFriends4Sale said:

rogifan said:

My thoughts? People who have a preference for The Revolution and that era of Prince's career aren't going to have an issue with what Wendy said. Me? I agree with the OP.

Go by facts over feelings.

Prince's commissioned wall of Inspiration

I've seen this wall up close and personal a few months ago. What isn't pictured in this post, is anything off to his left hand and the rest that's on his right. Everyone on his left, is who inspired HIM thru his life/career. To his right hand....is people HE inspired or "created" for lack of a better word. So if you go by this picture, he seems to think he did more for Wendy and Lisa, then they did for him. That's just my 2 cents.

ksl1974 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Go by facts over feelings.

Prince's commissioned wall of Inspiration

I've seen this wall up close and personal a few months ago. What isn't pictured in this post, is anything off to his left hand and the rest that's on his right. Everyone on his left, is who inspired HIM thru his life/career. To his right hand....is people HE inspired or "created" for lack of a better word. So if you go by this picture, he seems to think he did more for Wendy and Lisa, then they did for him. That's just my 2 cents.

You are not supposed to point out facts that could be intepreted as critical of W&L.

ksl1974 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Go by facts over feelings.

Prince's commissioned wall of Inspiration

I've seen this wall up close and personal a few months ago. What isn't pictured in this post, is anything off to his left hand and the rest that's on his right. Everyone on his left, is who inspired HIM thru his life/career. To his right hand....is people HE inspired or "created" for lack of a better word. So if you go by this picture, he seems to think he did more for Wendy and Lisa, then they did for him. That's just my 2 cents.

I post an image of the other side too.
And it all still works out together. The other people did not help with the actual music.

the purpose of posting it was in reply to someone saying : My thoughts? People who have a preference for The Revolution and that era of Prince's career aren't going to have an issue with what Wendy said. Me? I agree with the OP(that Wendy is getting on his nerves)
.
But Prince had a mural commissioned that included those 2 right up under him. So the OP can let them get on their nerves and Paulludvig, but that doesn't change how Prince felt.

This is inspiring and being inspired:

"She plays acoustic guitar with me better than almost anyone. The opportunity came up and her name was the first to come to mind. I’m looking for things to juice me, too.”

OldFriends4Sale said:

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

totally agree wth OP. Seriously she has a dig at all bands who have followed since & her ego seems to be drifting back to Purple Rain days.

Can U post that info of her taking digs at ALL the bands who have followed?

forgive me for not have an archive [!] BUT she has mentioned several times now in various guises words to the effect that bands that followed the Revolution were too technical, played a million notes, were not spontaneous, too polished, this was the last band he was part of etc & the list goes on. Little digs are a constant theme of her interviews...totally unrequired & I feel highly disrespectful. I look forward to seeing the Revolution nonthe less if they tour the UK.

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Can U post that info of her taking digs at ALL the bands who have followed?

forgive me for not have an archive [!] BUT she has mentioned several times now in various guises words to the effect that bands that followed the Revolution were too technical, played a million notes, were not spontaneous, too polished, this was the last band he was part of etc & the list goes on. Little digs are a constant theme of her interviews...totally unrequired & I feel highly disrespectful. I look forward to seeing the Revolution nonthe less if they tour the UK.

post the quotes where she said that. And let's see if what she actually said is how you are posting it.

.

1 group says she is complimenting and the other group says she is being disrespectful.

She called themselves a 'scrappy' band, is that a put down to the Revolution?
Notating is not a disrespectful comment. And I also read where she said there were guitars who came later who could play rings around her at the time she was in the band. How is that a disrespect?
.
And saying that was the las band he was IN is very much in cooraltion to the shift in pre stardom vs post stardom. There is difference, and it is not a disrespectful thing.

.

But in many ways contradicting himself, Tommy Barabarella says their NPG version was Prince's best band. Now that is straight up obvious, but he get's no flack, but Wendy get's a 'Getting on my nerves thread, but a troll'

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purplerabbithole said:

BrownMark can be just as bad at times. I don't think he meant anything by it but in one interview I just saw he said he wrote the music to Kiss. NO further explanation...like Prince wrote the melody and lyrics as a bluesy accoustic number, gave the demo to Mazarati, Brown reworked it into a funk number, Prince took the song back and took out the bass part, added a guitar solo and put his vocals back in. Brown, by leaving that information out, seemed to exclude Prince from the entire creativve process. Of course, I guess people could say that Prince was guilty of excluding him in the first place..but my question is "Didn't he credit the song to Prince and the Revolution and Mark Brown was part of the Revolution?"

Prince's "bluesy acoustic number"" was literally that: It was 1-3-5 blues. A music framework that has been repeated millions of times, and which he is definitely not the author of. Mark Brown literally wrote the arrangement for KISS, did the synths and the drums, and directed the background vocal arrangement. Prince took what Mark did, added guitar and his own vocal, and that was it. Mark Brown LITERALLY wrote the music for KISS. It's indisputable.