SayItsJustADream said:
It sounds like he did ...they said he sat in the church balcony and left early....
Militant was talking about it in this thread... http://prince.org/msg/7/424816 I read an article (I was trying to find it again with no luck) that said many didn't know he was there because it was only for a bit. He Sat in the balcony but was being harassed by fans and left because he realized it was causing a disturbance to her memorial. If anyone has this article can you post it? I think some are reading Alex Hahn's book that does not state this, and only says he met up with former associates afterwards. Whatever the case may be, Prince had his memorial on stage for her. Nothing can mean more... Here is the article that was discuss in that thread that states that he was there and left, although it's not the one I'd read. http://www.ocregister.com...or-prince/ [Edited 4/25/17 4:47am] | |
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Yes, I'm reading Hahn's book and it didn't state that Prince was there, that's why I asked. Thanks for clearing that up. | |
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. Thanks LuvGirl for noticing this! I completely missed it too in the recording. What a tribute to Denise/Vanity! He said it all didn't he. As well as singing The Beautiful Ones and Adore, he stated that "He loved her with a passion uncontested" . | |
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. Yes, he did say that. I think he still cared very deeply about her. He was devestated, and I think that loss really started to wear on him in the last couple of months of his life.
"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016) | |
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. Yes, I have felt the same way. . Have you ever heard the term when someone dies of a broken heart? It happens.
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Yes, I'm reading Hahn's book and it didn't state that Prince was there, that's why I asked. Thanks for clearing that up. No problem. There are many misconceptions and inaccuracies about Prince and Vanity's relationship that were not cleared up in Alex Hahn's "updated" book. This being one of many... [Edited 4/25/17 19:37pm] | |
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. Thanks LuvGirl for noticing this! I completely missed it too in the recording. What a tribute to Denise/Vanity! He said it all didn't he. As well as singing The Beautiful Ones and Adore, he stated that "He loved her with a passion uncontested" . Yup, this is HUUUUGE to me! It's so deep because whenever I used to listened to the Ladder, I had always felt like he was singing about Vanity when he said "There was a king in sin-aplenty. He had a subject named Electra, She loved him with a passion uncontested- then One day her smile went away." So now, to hear him change the lyrics to say "He had a subject named Vanity, HE loved HER with a passion uncontested". I'm just floored... What a beautiful thing to tell the world about her before he left us. It's heart wrenching but so beautiful... Very revealing month for Prince and Vanity fans. First the rumors that Strange Relationship was about her got a solid confirmation by a track recording author. Then to find out that he actually changed the lyrics in the Ladder to tell us how much he loved her... [Edited 4/25/17 19:33pm] | |
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I missed that one. Please if you can share more. That would be sweet that Strange Relationship was about them because it always fit what I think of them. They are not typical they were an odd pair.
I need information on the Greatest Romance too because their romance was the greatest ever sold (Purple Rain) no other romance for him sold more. Yeah I know about the gut full of baby in the vid but pregnant is not just about babies- it is about the "birthing of an idea, a promise, a philosophy" You can be pregnant hope, fear , love - not the literal baby.
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I missed that one. Please if you can share more. That would be sweet that Strange Relationship was about them because it always fit what I think of them. They are not typical they were an odd pair.
I need information on the Greatest Romance too because their romance was the greatest ever sold (Purple Rain) no other romance for him sold more. Yeah I know about the gut full of baby in the vid but pregnant is not just about babies- it is about the "birthing of an idea, a promise, a philosophy" You can be pregnant hope, fear , love - not the literal baby.
Excuse my ramblings but if you can please share at Strange Relationship. There is a new book coming out in the fall with Prince track recording sessions by a new author name Duane Tudahl. The book is called PRINCE AND THE PURPLE RAIN ERA STUDIO SESSIONS (1983-1984). It's available for pre- order on Amazon. He says Strange Relationship was inspired by Vanity. Here is the link to the thread he started and his book. http://prince.org/msg/7/440766?&pg=1 Down below is the conversation I had with him about Vanity's input. You can read it on the thread that I linked as well. luvgirl said: So no recordings by Vanity and the group? I see everyone but Vanity/Vanity six... madhouseman said: I do discuss several songs by Vanity 6 and forgot to put them in the ad. I'll fix that. Their album was recorded and released before this book starts, but I do cover their work together on Sex Shooter and several other songs like Velvet Kitty Cat, Promise 2 B True, Moral Majority, and Vibrator (all of which are still outtakes) as well as some work on extended versions of songs from the Vanity 6 album. I also go into detail about Vanity leaving Prince and the struggle to replace her in the movie, etc. A lot of detail about her time working with Prince and some of the songs she inspired (Wonderful Ass, Strange Relationship, etc.). Thank you for pointing that out. [Edited 4/26/17 7:16am] | |
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Thanks for sharing. Susannah has been saying it was about her but I am learning all the songs she claimed were not hers to claim. I realize Susan Rodgers and others at that time seemed infatuated with Prince and Susannah as a couple so we get all about them. I am glad that last year and now things are coming out that flesh stories out. I am not discounting Susannah but she has claimed things like Strange Relationship and Adore and not hers to claim. Those were for Denise.
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Thanks for sharing. Susannah has been saying it was about her but I am learning all the songs she claimed were not hers to claim. I realize Susan Rodgers and others at that time seemed infatuated with Prince and Susannah as a couple so we get all about them. I am glad that last year and now things are coming out that flesh stories out. I am not discounting Susannah but she has claimed things like Strange Relationship and Adore and not hers to claim. Those were for Denise.
*ducking as eggs, tomatoes, waterbottles thrown* Hey don't worry I got you!!! Yes Susannah tried to take claim for a lot of songs back then.....it was the SM PR in full motion. A lot of bias geared towards SM. Her crew Susan Rogers her sister and others were Team Susannah all the way. But I'm so sorry I never ever ever ever thought Beautiful Ones, Adore, If I Was Your Girlfriend and other songs were about her!!!! I mean Vanity broke Prince's heart, he admitted this!! So from his heartbreak u had a lot of great emotional songs released. And to me for SM to take credit for so many songs being about her was just being conceited and cocky!!!! That's why I have so much respect for Vanity. I never heard her say to the media this song is about me or that song is about me. I always knew what she(Vanity) meant to him. | |
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Vashtix: We can both get Team Vanity!
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Can anyone confirm if that is Vanity saying "Come" on the song "Come" from the Come album? It sounds like the part from "Orgasm" where she is saying Here I "Come". If so, listen to the lyrics on that song! .
Come, no more would you cry... Come, if you had a chance to see the furture would you try... Come, if you will, so will I... [Edited 4/28/17 6:37am] | |
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The fabulous Miss TLC might have the answer.........
Oh & the "ready or not, here I come" on #Prince #Letitgo album version is #Vanity from her unreleased #Vibrator.
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Vibrator. Come. Orgasm. Private Joy. Those words/phrases together denote a certain *something*, but Prince fams know...Prince + Vanity.
Miss TLC @IAmMissTLC Prince took Vanity's orgasmic vocals from unreleased "Vibrator", added "Private Joy" guitar & Song of Solomon lyrics = Orgasm aka Poem.
Miss TLC @IAmMissTLC 11 Aug 2016 Replying to @IAmMissTLC
Then small snippets of Orgasm were split up & added as intros 2 Pheromone, Race, Dark & Letitgo on Come. The full track is the album closer.
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Well that's interesting! Since we're talking moaning, what about the all moaning in "Shhh", who's that? [Edited 4/28/17 21:49pm] | |
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Probably Prince Keep Calm & Listen To Prince | |
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Thanks for the information ladies !! So glad to have the connection. | |
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I just couldn't see how ALL those songs could be about her. I don't know. I mean, to me, those songs always spoke Vanity/Denise....always Because of their half-baked mistakes, we get ice cream, no cake; all lies, no truth; is it fair to Kill the YOUTH ~~ Party Up | |
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Goddess4Real said:
The fabulous Miss TLC might have the answer.....
Oh & the "ready or not, here I come" on #Prince #Letitgo album version is #Vanity from her unreleased #Vibrator.
Miss TLC @IAmMissTLC 13h13 hours ago Replying to @IAmMissTLC
Vibrator. Come. Orgasm. Private Joy. Those words/phrases together denote a certain *something*, but Prince fams know...Prince + Vanity.
Miss TLC @IAmMissTLC Prince took Vanity's orgasmic vocals from unreleased "Vibrator", added "Private Joy" guitar & Song of Solomon lyrics = Orgasm aka Poem.
Miss TLC @IAmMissTLC 11 Aug 2016 Replying to @IAmMissTLC
Then small snippets of Orgasm were split up & added as intros 2 Pheromone, Race, Dark & Letitgo on Come. The full track is the album closer.
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[Edited 4/28/17 21:39pm] Thanks for the info Goddess. I didn't even realize that it was the anniversary of my favorite picture ever, Prince and Vanity on the Rolling Stone cover! I would do anything to get my hands on a copy of this issue. In regards to the Come album, listening carefully, her "voice" is practically sampled throughout that whole album! I'm believing more and more that it's her voice as well on the song come. Those lyrics... If so, he was pretty much telling her to come to him... . Why say those lyrics to her voice? He was such a tease... This is turning out to be quite an enlightening month for me where Prince and Vanity are concerned. I have something else to share about the Jill Jones podcast that I'm revisiting again today.. Hope I'll have time to come share it with you guys later... Not enough hours in a day to do errands and talk Prince and Vanity ... [Edited 4/30/17 6:22am] | |
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Vashtix: We can both get Team Vanity!
pnv: Agree. No boasting. Team Vanity!!!! Sounds good!!!! | |
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pnv said: Vashtix said:
Thanks for sharing. Susannah has been saying it was about her but I am learning all the songs she claimed were not hers to claim. I realize Susan Rodgers and others at that time seemed infatuated with Prince and Susannah as a couple so we get all about them. I am glad that last year and now things are coming out that flesh stories out. I am not discounting Susannah but she has claimed things like Strange Relationship and Adore and not hers to claim. Those were for Denise.
*ducking as eggs, tomatoes, waterbottles thrown* Hey don't worry I got you!!! Yes Susannah tried to take claim for a lot of songs back then.....it was the SM PR in full motion. A lot of bias geared towards SM. Her crew Susan Rogers her sister and others were Team Susannah all the way. But I'm so sorry I never ever ever ever thought Beautiful Ones, Adore, If I Was Your Girlfriend and other songs were about her!!!! I mean Vanity broke Prince's heart, he admitted this!! So from his heartbreak u had a lot of great emotional songs released. And to me for SM to take credit for so many songs being about her was just being conceited and cocky!!!! That's why I have so much respect for Vanity. I never heard her say to the media this song is about me or that song is about me. I always knew what she(Vanity) meant to him. I revisited the Jill Jones podcast over the weekend and really took my time to listen to the things she had to say about Vanity. Some of the things she says were very enlightening. She mentions how Vanity was discriminated against back then by many people because of how beautiful she was. She said people didn't give her a chance, even though she was such a sweet soul. She reiterated that she saw it with her own eyes how people would treat her differently because of the way she looked. She pretty much confirmed one of my suspicions why some of the people who inspired the narrative in books like "Possessed" and the revised " The Rise" tried to diminish her significance in Prince's life. In the "Revised" version nothing was updated about her, not even the fact that The Beautiful Ones was partly inspired by her. It still says it's for Susannah, even though Prince said it's partly about Vanity in that Ebony issue, and alluded to it again on the P&M tour. To be fair though, I think it was more Susan Rogers speculating that TBO was about SM. SM even admitted in the book "The Making Of Purple Rain" that TBO wasn't exactly their story. I think she just ran with whatever Susan Rogers and Karen Krattinger, who was one of her best friends and Prince's general Manager at the time were saying. They wanted to support her relationship with Prince. It's pretty easy to see how they could theorize every song being about her, (wanting it to be about her) as they were her close friends and liked the idea of them as a couple. Their enthusiasm for Prince and SM relationship made them read a little bit too much into some of the songs and they assumed wrongly as we are finding out now. Anyway this book is a joke. The author only mentions the part in Prince's tribute to Vanity where he speaks about throwing her in the pool, but blatantly left out the more significant, Prince acknowledging that they used to love each other deeply. I was stunned.. Stunned. SMH... | |
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luvgirl said:[quote] pnv said: Hey don't worry I got you!!! Yes Susannah tried to take claim for a lot of songs back then.....it was the SM PR in full motion. A lot of bias geared towards SM. Her crew Susan Rogers her sister and others were Team Susannah all the way. But I'm so sorry I never ever ever ever thought Beautiful Ones, Adore, If I Was Your Girlfriend and other songs were about her!!!! I mean Vanity broke Prince's heart, he admitted this!! So from his heartbreak u had a lot of great emotional songs released. And to me for SM to take credit for so many songs being about her was just being conceited and cocky!!!! That's why I have so much respect for Vanity. I never heard her say to the media this song is about me or that song is about me. I always knew what she(Vanity) meant to him. I revisited the Jill Jones podcast over the weekend and really took my time to listen to the things she had to say about Vanity. Some of the things she says were very enlightening. She mentions how Vanity was discriminated against back then by many people because of how beautiful she was. She said people didn't give her a chance, even though she was such a sweet soul. She reiterated that she saw it with her own eyes how people would treat her differently because of the way she looked. She pretty much confirmed one of my suspicions why some of the people who inspired the narrative in books like "Possessed" and the revised " The Rise" tried to diminish her significance in Prince's life. In the "Revised" version nothing was updated about her, not even the fact that The Beautiful Ones was partly inspired by her. It still says it's for Susannah, even though Prince said it's partly about Vanity in that Ebony issue, and alluded to it again on the P&M tour. To be fair though, I think it was more Susan Rogers speculating that TBO was about SM. SM even admitted in the book "The Making Of Purple Rain" that TBO wasn't exactly their story. I think she just ran with whatever Susan Rogers and Karen Krattinger, who was one of her best friends and Prince's general Manager at the time were saying. They wanted to support her relationship with Prince. It's pretty easy to see how they could theorize every song being about her, (wanting it to be about her) as they were her close friends and liked the idea of them as a couple. Their enthusiasm for Prince and SM relationship made them read a little bit too much into some of the songs and they assumed wrongly as we are finding out now. Anyway this book is a joke. The author only mentions the part in Prince's tribute to Vanity where he speaks about throwing her in the pool, but blatantly left out the more significant, Prince acknowledging that they used to love each other deeply. I was stunned.. Stunned. SMH...[/quote Yeah its that bias. I wish someone would just once tell the truth about what Vanity meant to Prince. I think we have much more knowledge than anyone!!! Maybe we should write a book!!! LOL.... [Edited 5/1/17 11:05am] | |
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Alot of people saw that show in Melbourne, and alot more have heard the audio, so by leaving this important info out in this book it clearly shows an agenda.....It's almost like they trying so hard to play down her importance, while at the same time rewriting Prince's history that only includes them. [Edited 5/1/17 21:49pm] Keep Calm & Listen To Prince | |
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Alot of people saw that show in Melbourne, and alot more have heard the audio, so by leaving this important info out in this book it clearly shows an agenda.....It's almost like they trying so hard to play down her importance, while at the same time rewriting Prince's history that only includes them. [Edited 5/1/17 21:49pm] Where can I see or hear this? | |
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Vanity was the love of his life. End of story. | |
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Susan and the Leeds and the Melvoins and others do not want to ever legitimize Prince's relationship with Vanity. They want to push Susannah as the ulitmate muse and love at that time. Everyone knows Purple Rain was about Vanity and Prince and since she died and he declared his passion uncontesed - everyone knows.
The writer of that book knows but wants history to see Vanity as a lazy , whorish, drug addict character Prince became so frustrated with he had her thrown in the pool. I am so glad he cleared up Adore , The Beautiful Ones and If I WasYour Girlfriend was another her played when dedicating songs to Vanity. The Susannah myth is being dismantled brick by brick. Susannah and her supporters know she was not the muse behind everything back then. It gets infuriating. Of course, Vanity was not the muse to everything either but the way they deliberately to totally take Vaanity and hide her in a corner or act as if she did not exist at all is glaring.
How can you discuss the Piano and Mic tours and not mention how distraught Prince was and how he said they loved one another deeply? How? That is downright wrong and deliberate in an attempt to skewthe reality for generations to come.
Denise's/Vanity's story needs to be told and celebrated and not forgotten -she was the ONLY Prince girl to take the media by storm as she did. She and Prince together were hot and sexy . That moment in time is not discussed at all because the ones around like the Melvoins and the writer of the book and Susan Rodgers have deliberately decided to remove Vanity from the narrative.
My hope is that someone who was there will stop being silent and share somethings about Prince and Vanity. This skewing history has to stop.
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It's disheartening to see how some of these books and the associates who participates in them, ostracize her from being any sort of inspiration to Prince. Or at least tries to... (We're not clueless.) In the book "The Making Of Purple Rain", in which the author interviews bandmates and associates affiliated with the movie, Vanity is hardly mentioned. Not as a lover, not even as a collaborator. The discredit is so obvious that more than one review on Amazon and Goodreads calls out the author for the lack of information about her affiliation with Prince and Purple Rain. Many people are starting to notice the bias. Even causal fans who remembers her. I'm so proud of Prince for setting the record straight before he passed, by acknowledging what they meant to each other, and for also setting the record straight on The Beautiful Ones. It's obvious he got fed up of hearing the false speculations about that song. He was on a rampage in that Ebony article, lol... [Edited 5/2/17 21:16pm] | |
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He gave a gift to those of us who respect Vanity and Denise. He validated her in a way he did not have to. I regret he died before his memoirs could be done. If he was that open during the Pand M tours I would think he would be for his memoirs.
We know she was there and acting like she was not is just silly. | |
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