anangellooksdown said:

PaisleyPrint said:

LOL @ "She may have been aggressive but she was gorgeous and could have ANY man she wanted. Well, in case you didn't know, ALL women can if they look decent enough, but what did her beauty do for her as far as keeping one is what I wanna know. Even in her middle age (she still looked damn good when she died at age 57) she died alone. Alone. Why?

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I never heard Prince asking God to bring her back, so that remains to be seen

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I NEVER said Mayte was his truest love and soulmate (cause I know better). Prince said that to Oprah on her show. He said when he first saw her he said to himself, "That's my wife". Also that he believed they were related in another life, blah, blah, blah. So if he said all that to her and later reneged on all his promises, why would you think he would be stable with anybody else.

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Seriously, I think all this talk about Vanity and Prince being soul mates/twin flames ect. stems from his female fans wanting him to be linked to someone because thay just can't imagine their Prince leaving this world without having been deeply in love with someone and having had so many broken relationships throughout his life. So when Vanity died that was thee perfect opportunity to link him with her, go back through the years and pull quotes from publications, drum up meanings for various songs (besides TBO, that is) that may or may not have been about her and all sorts of outlandish stuff to give thier so-called "special relationship" some credibility.

Cause let's face it: We never heard ANYTHING about Prince and Vanity throughout the years. Not one peep out of ANYONE. Not Morris Day, Carmen Electra, Van Jones ect. Now all of a sudden they die two months apart and everyone wants to jump on the "soulmate" bandwagon (for lack of anything better to say I would guess). This is one of the main reasons I'm not buying it. Everyone was silent for all these years? Puh-leez...

Prince would have fallen deeply in a lasting, happy love with someone who was the true full package. His soul craved someone who had incredible spiritual depth. Even that I can't explain, because it can't BE explained. She would've had to have other assets too. Beauty, talent (but not look to make that her thing), honesty, respect, and a spiritual purpose. When he said "That's my wife" the first time he saw Mayte, he was joking. We all know the story. It's just something how it became to be. BTW lately I have begun to agree that when we really love someone we would keep that private or at least not write a book about all our business. Just an unrelated thought I wanted to add. I think the coincidence of Vanity passing while he knew he was ill caused him to not only be sad about her, but to also reflect on his own situation. I see it as the final mirror vision of each other. I believe he was attracted to women who looked like him and were talented and beautiful so that he could see the female side of himself in them. So when Vanity passed, that had to be hard, devastating, and even perhaps a little scary for him.

Well Said Angel!

Vashtix I hope you don't mind, I'm going to copy Prince's lyrics that you transcribed...

"Dear Lord, dear, dear Lord, bring her back, bring her back, bring her back home to me"

Everyone is free to have their own opinions on Vanity and Prince...if people don't believe that Prince said this...that is their choice...but for others who are able to find this audio and are interested in the exact part where Prince is begging for Denise back...

It's at the very end of How Come You Don't Call Me Anymore... before Prince transitions to The Ladder...It starts at about 50 seconds left to go in the song...after he's singing the "doooo, doooo, doooo, doooo" part and is changing piano melodies...That's when he sings "Dear Lord..." and the rest....then The Ladder starts....It's the 7th song on the audio that I have...not sure what everyone else has...

I don't think anyone would deny that Prince and Denise/Vanity HAD A RELATIONSHIP....I certainly don't deny it but this continuous mantra of how they were aligned throughout the entirety of their (very separate) lives and were an unrealized destiny is simply untrue. The initial theme of this thread is that Prince proposed to and married Mayte because Vanity had just married someone other than him. Go back and read the first few pages of posts on this thread. There is blatant opinion/discussion/insinuation that Prince proposed and married Mayte for reasons other than love. Let's take a look at replies 1-7:

#1. That same year July 1995
a sad Prince and yes I believe a very vulnerable and hurt Prince proposed. Something that had not been discussed
It was love on the rebound!!! Does not anyone see this correlation?

#2. Thanks for starting a thread on this topic since there is likelihood of a connection

#3. There is a definite correalation especially finding out if true that he proposed over the phone to M1.

Who does that if in mad love?

#4. He had the money and means to make a GRAND proposal- including flying to Spain to get on one knee. Prince was the master romancer/ seducer. By the way she described it in the book, he sounded sick and down. The whole thing was spontaneous and unplanned.

#5. Oh! THAT right there definite side eye and she should have known THEN. I think the ego of a young woman who feels her man would not want a woman older or his age.

Looking back and the V of the bangs. Did you guys see one of his fave pics of M1? it is all about V and the poor thing has no clue

Can I add this too . . . the silver hoop . . . that is V and Prince too and M1 has taken it. I find it peculiar as if she does not know his history or does not care.

#6. I think he was confused/depressed at this time.

#7. Yes exactly, I think a lot of his emotional pain at that time came from this(Vanity marrying someone else) I feel as though he never would have married M1.

While these are opinions, I find it incredibly disrespectful to Prince, Mayte and their historical relationship. They were friends, mentor/protégé, boss/employee, lovers and then HE MARRIED THE WOMAN! And please, let's not forget they had a child together. Sorry, but that counts for much more than a 2 year intimate relationship and (perhaps) several ensuing years of communicating via letters. How can any of you not see that?

I have posted this link, content://com.sec.android...943.mhtml, several times on various topics. Please read them. These articles portray Prince as a husband very much in love with his wife. Words from his own mouth. You are discounting things he has said (yep, he did call Mayte his soul mate) as much as you say there are those not acknowledging his heartfelt (alleged.....just haven't heard it) things he said after Denise passed during his February P&M show. See how that works?

Again, to suggest that he proposed and married Mayte for the singular reason of Vanity marrying someone else is....well.....just mind boggling (to put it nicely). Honestly.

NotACleverName said:

I don't think anyone would deny that Prince and Denise/Vanity HAD A RELATIONSHIP....I certainly don't deny it but this continuous mantra of how they were aligned throughout the entirety of their (very separate) lives and were an unrealized destiny is simply untrue. The initial theme of this thread is that Prince proposed to and married Mayte because Vanity had just married someone other than him. Go back and read the first few pages of posts on this thread. There is blatant opinion/discussion/insinuation that Prince proposed and married Mayte for reasons other than love. Let's take a look at replies 1-7: #1. That same year July 1995 a sad Prince and yes I believe a very vulnerable and hurt Prince proposed. Something that had not been discussed It was love on the rebound!!! Does not anyone see this correlation? #2. Thanks for starting a thread on this topic since there is likelihood of a connection #3. There is a definite correalation especially finding out if true that he proposed over the phone to M1. Who does that if in mad love? #4. He had the money and means to make a GRAND proposal- including flying to Spain to get on one knee. Prince was the master romancer/ seducer. By the way she described it in the book, he sounded sick and down. The whole thing was spontaneous and unplanned. #5. Oh! THAT right there definite side eye and she should have known THEN. I think the ego of a young woman who feels her man would not want a woman older or his age. Looking back and the V of the bangs. Did you guys see one of his fave pics of M1? it is all about V and the poor thing has no clue Can I add this too . . . the silver hoop . . . that is V and Prince too and M1 has taken it. I find it peculiar as if she does not know his history or does not care. #6. I think he was confused/depressed at this time. #7. Yes exactly, I think a lot of his emotional pain at that time came from this(Vanity marrying someone else) I feel as though he never would have married M1. While these are opinions, I find it incredibly disrespectful to Prince, Mayte and their historical relationship. They were friends, mentor/protégé, boss/employee, lovers and then HE MARRIED THE WOMAN! And please, let's not forget they had a child together. Sorry, but that counts for much more than a 2 year intimate relationship and (perhaps) several ensuing years of communicating via letters. How can any of you not see that? I have posted this link, content://com.sec.android...943.mhtml, several times on various topics. Please read them. These articles portray Prince as a husband very much in love with his wife. Words from his own mouth. You are discounting things he has said (yep, he did call Mayte his soul mate) as much as you say there are those not acknowledging his heartfelt (alleged.....just haven't heard it) things he said after Denise passed during his February P&M show. See how that works? Again, to suggest that he proposed and married Mayte for the singular reason of Vanity marrying someone else is....well.....just mind boggling (to put it nicely). Honestly.

Prince was not like other people. He was not the man who thought logically , He thlught like Prince and that is why he is the icon he is now and forever.

NOthing is set in stone it is a theory.

It is okay to discuss and think out loud.

I think both Vanity and Prince did things to egg on the other. Things like sex up others, date others and yes marry others. I think they were 2 people who were different than the rest of us . They were special.

anangellooksdown said:

Vashtix said:

"Dear Lord, dear, dear Lord, bring her back, bring her back, bring her back home to me"

Exact words from his mouth.

Hi Vashtix... I just received your OrgNote saying that if I gave you my email address you would forward me the audio of Prince singing the (above) words you wrote...... LOL......WOW.

I did not think I was being offensive to you to share the audiio but that is ok.

No worries. It is all good.

Blessings

SayItsJustADream said:

Vashtix I hope you don't mind, I'm going to copy Prince's lyrics that you transcribed...

"Dear Lord, dear, dear Lord, bring her back, bring her back, bring her back home to me"

Everyone is free to have their own opinions on Vanity and Prince...if people don't believe that Prince said this...that is their choice...but for others who are able to find this audio and are interested in the exact part where Prince is begging for Denise back...

It's at the very end of How Come You Don't Call Me Anymore... before Prince transitions to The Ladder...It starts at about 50 seconds left to go in the song...after he's singing the "doooo, doooo, doooo, doooo" part and is changing piano melodies...That's when he sings "Dear Lord..." and the rest....then The Ladder starts....It's the 7th song on the audio that I have...not sure what everyone else has...

I never thought mentioning Prince's words at the end of that song would cause such a ruckus.

It was kind of him and heart wrenching to hear. I do not know why it is so hard to believe. He said it, and that is all.

I had no idea there was aversion to Prince saying kind things about Denise . She clearly was close to him . I am glad we did not know ALL the peeps he was friends with- he kept his real life to himself for himself. I respect that.

anangellooksdown said:

PaisleyPrint said:

Okay, let me stop right here, right now at this very post (cause I've been wanting to say this for a loooooong, long time but just didn't know how without offending someone). This is what "I" personally believe about Vanity and Prince's "relationship", not saying that I'm right, but this is what I have always "believed" and no offense to anyone, her fans/family ect. reading this. I am not trying to be mean or fecetious, but in my "Heart of hearts" I've always felt that Vanity was P's "freak in the sheets, and lady in the streets" type of woman. The one that he would go to for that "no holds barred", "anything goes" type of sex (y'all fill in the blanks). I'm sure all of you reading this has heard about the proverbial wife whos hubby sometimes seeks the services of a prostitute/mistress or some such person because the wife won't "do certain things". TOB mentioned the fact that Vanity says that after an awards show (in the late 80's if I'm not mistaken) he gave her that "look" and she could tell he "missed her" (yeah, I bet he did). So they left together and went back to his place, and you know the rest... I said that to say this, just because someone is fond of someone for whatever reason does NOT mean it is true Love. It may be true lust but not true love. I'ts been said before that P had a Madonna/Whore complex and it may very well be true. I think he played mind games with her and lots of other women, and I think Vanity's problem was her aggressiveness with men (much too aggressive if you ask me, considering her "beauty" and all). Even after becoming saved she could never settle down and find a man to love her the way she deserved to be loved. And no one ever questions that. They just continue to link her to Prince, as if he's the only thing in life that validates her. As far as him begging God to bring her back, I'll believe it when I hear it. NotACleverName, I agree with you, I notice how they completely ignored the paragraph about Mayte before the one about Vanity. Also, he told Oprah that when he first saw Mayte, he knew she was his wife, yada, yada, ect. But look what happened in the end. So his "feelings" were not stable. He could feel one way one minute and another in the next five minutes. So yeah, what he had with Vanity was Sex whenever she was lonely and available. And he enjoyed the game. That's my take on it.

[Edited 5/17/17 14:19pm]

I think he and Vanity fulfilled something inside of Prince. The wildness, the artistic aspect of him and his persona, and I think they were hugely obsessed with each other. Breaking away from that was not easy for either one of them. Vanity said that they would sometimes see each other later on and look at each other from across a club or wherever. I think they were lonely and hungry for each other in that connection they had found which was very sensual and ran deep, and I think he also loved her and JJ said she really cared about him. When she describes them going home together later, she says it in a sad way. As though they were aching through their letting go of each other. I get the feeling spending these nights together made it harder to break apart/ She said that they were so close at one time it was scary, and that he was completely, yep, uninhibited in bed and the best lover. Prince said much later that sensuality is something that is God-given. In other words, he had it, and she must've too. Recently I realized that in 2014 when he said about Vanity, "Nobody could talk like her" at first I thought he meant her voice was sexy but now I think he meant she talks a LOT, and it was endearing to him. But I think she could also be a handful. (Remember the notebook someone found he had left behind on a day he and she were rehearsing and the picture he drew of her and him? It was clear to me that she could be challenging, lol...he says she knew she was the finest woman in the world. The fact that he thought to mention her in the wedding article tells me that he recognized the connection he had once had with Vanity, and he was also perhaps taking that opportunity to speak to us and to her about his happiness, letting everyone know he was fine. I do believe he loved Mayte for real and yes, I also believe things happened later and he was in pain and reacted, but then later when there might've been a chance with him and Mayte's again I feel he kept growing spiritually in his religious direction but Mayte wasn't interested in that. I think he saw that. It's ok. All ends in this relationships the way it should, for all. Most important thing was he was free to get closer to God. [Edited 5/17/17 15:30pm]

Why has this become Denise vs Mayte? I think the 2 women were different in his life. He married Mayte.

Denise was way before her and way after her. Mayte was a time; Denise was throughout once they met. The dynamics are different.

Vashtix said:

No, I don't think that Prince would be the type of man to marry someone to "egg on the other". I just can't imagine him to be the kind of man who would disregard the sanctity of marriage (a spiritual, holy, religious joining of two souls) to that degree. How could anyone, in their right mind, with a conscience and love for God (and all that God represents) marry someone with the only underlying reason, or primary motivation, being what you have noted above? Even if it's just discussion, a theory, how can one suggest that Prince, knowingly, devalued another (in this case, Mayte) to such a level? That's unconscionable, imo.

NotACleverName said:

Vashtix said:

Prince was not like other people. He was not the man who thought logically , He thlught like Prince and that is why he is the icon he is now and forever. NOthing is set in stone it is a theory. It is okay to discuss and think out loud. I think both Vanity and Prince did things to egg on the other. Things like sex up others, date others and yes marry others. I think they were 2 people who were different than the rest of us . They were special

No, I don't think that Prince would be the type of man to marry someone to "egg on the other". I just can't imagine him to be the kind of man who would disregard the sanctity of marriage (a spiritual, holy, religious joining of two souls) to that degree. How could anyone, in their right mind, with a conscience and love for God (and all that God represents) marry someone with the only underlying reason, or primary motivation, being what you have noted above? Even if it's just discussion, a theory, how can one suggest that Prince, knowingly, devalued another (in this case, Mayte) to such a level? That's unconscionable, imo.

Because I am of the belief that when either party has an agenda the marriage is wrong at the start. Prince was a celebrity and I believe what they parade in public is far from their authentic truth-It is all a parade.

SayItsJustADream said:

anangellooksdown said:

PaisleyPrint said: Prince would have fallen deeply in a lasting, happy love with someone who was the true full package. His soul craved someone who had incredible spiritual depth. Even that I can't explain, because it can't BE explained. She would've had to have other assets too. Beauty, talent (but not look to make that her thing), honesty, respect, and a spiritual purpose. When he said "That's my wife" the first time he saw Mayte, he was joking. We all know the story. It's just something how it became to be. BTW lately I have begun to agree that when we really love someone we would keep that private or at least not write a book about all our business. Just an unrelated thought I wanted to add. I think the coincidence of Vanity passing while he knew he was ill caused him to not only be sad about her, but to also reflect on his own situation. I see it as the final mirror vision of each other. I believe he was attracted to women who looked like him and were talented and beautiful so that he could see the female side of himself in them. So when Vanity passed, that had to be hard, devastating, and even perhaps a little scary for him.

Well Said Angel!

They loved each other deeply!!! It was more than a bodily flesh lust based type of thing......it was true love. Prince was talking about this WOMAN some 34 yrs later. You dont just to that for a piece of a** you had back in the day!! He was terribly distraught upon hearing of her passing. He opened up revealing the great love they shared. They remained in touch through the yrs. Because thats the way Prince wanted it. How many past woman can say the same? In my opinion Prince never would have married M1 if Vanity hadnt rushed and married the football player....this is true!!!

NotACleverName said:

Vashtix said:

Prince was not like other people. He was not the man who thought logically , He thlught like Prince and that is why he is the icon he is now and forever. NOthing is set in stone it is a theory. It is okay to discuss and think out loud. I think both Vanity and Prince did things to egg on the other. Things like sex up others, date others and yes marry others. I think they were 2 people who were different than the rest of us . They were special

No, I don't think that Prince would be the type of man to marry someone to "egg on the other". I just can't imagine him to be the kind of man who would disregard the sanctity of marriage (a spiritual, holy, religious joining of two souls) to that degree. How could anyone, in their right mind, with a conscience and love for God (and all that God represents) marry someone with the only underlying reason, or primary motivation, being what you have noted above? Even if it's just discussion, a theory, how can one suggest that Prince, knowingly, devalued another (in this case, Mayte) to such a level? That's unconscionable, imo.

Well, Prince was human and men and women get married to spite another all the time. The other thing is that Mayte was just one of several women Prince was having a relationship with at the time he proposed to her. He was not monogamous and he may not have had the view of marriage you describe up above. It is not unconscionable to think Prince would do that. I do believe he played mind games with women and revenge marriage, in my opinion, was not out of the question. Even though I'm not a fan of Mayte, IF Prince did this, he was wrong. It was hurtful to her.

NotACleverName said:

So let me get this straight.. Because Prince and Mayte were married and had a child together, no one is supposed to discuss his and Vanity's relationship in the past, or about them having a connection in any way. His life began and stopped when he met and married Mayte. No one else in his life mattered before or after her.... Girl, get out of here with that crap. Who says stuff like this? Especially when the couple has been divorced for almost twenty years and he divorced her to marry another woman? Prince and Vanity had a connection too, be it one year, two year or throughout their lifespan, that's why people are still talking about them thirty five years later. If people want to remember it, rehash it, deliberate it, compare notes on it, impute a theory, that's their liberty. No one is gonna censor me from talking about them. Don't frequent this thread the way you do if you find it disrespectful to Prince and Mayte's "Historical Relationship"
Vanity and Prince had a "Historical Relationship" as well..


[Edited 5/20/17 8:45am]

PaisleyPrint said:

laurarichardson said:

NotACleverName said: You have no way of knowing who he was speaking to. No one has every said he did not love Matye. I think he fell out of love with later due to some issues that we are never going to hear about but I think Vanity was the one that put it on him.

Okay, let me stop right here, right now at this very post (cause I've been wanting to say this for a loooooong, long time but just didn't know how without offending someone). This is what "I" personally believe about Vanity and Prince's "relationship", not saying that I'm right, but this is what I have always "believed" and no offense to anyone, her fans/family ect. reading this. I am not trying to be mean or fecetious, but in my "Heart of hearts" I've always felt that Vanity was P's "freak in the sheets, and lady in the streets" type of woman. The one that he would go to for that "no holds barred", "anything goes" type of sex (y'all fill in the blanks). I'm sure all of you reading this has heard about the proverbial wife whos hubby sometimes seeks the services of a prostitute/mistress or some such person because the wife won't "do certain things". TOB mentioned the fact that Vanity says that after an awards show (in the late 80's if I'm not mistaken) he gave her that "look" and she could tell he "missed her" (yeah, I bet he did). So they left together and went back to his place, and you know the rest... I said that to say this, just because someone is fond of someone for whatever reason does NOT mean it is true Love. It may be true lust but not true love. I'ts been said before that P had a Madonna/Whore complex and it may very well be true. I think he played mind games with her and lots of other women, and I think Vanity's problem was her aggressiveness with men (much too aggressive if you ask me, considering her "beauty" and all). Even after becoming saved she could never settle down and find a man to love her the way she deserved to be loved. And no one ever questions that. They just continue to link her to Prince, as if he's the only thing in life that validates her. As far as him begging God to bring her back, I'll believe it when I hear it. NotACleverName, I agree with you, I notice how they completely ignored the paragraph about Mayte before the one about Vanity. Also, he told Oprah that when he first saw Mayte, he knew she was his wife, yada, yada, ect. But look what happened in the end. So his "feelings" were not stable. He could feel one way one minute and another in the next five minutes. So yeah, what he had with Vanity was Sex whenever she was lonely and available. And he enjoyed the game. That's my take on it.

[Edited 5/17/17 14:19pm]

Vanity was the real thing he loved her greatly!! He departed the world with her!!! Her passing took a lot out of him!! 2gether forever Prince and Vanity!!!!

NotACleverName said:

I don't think anyone would deny that Prince and Denise/Vanity HAD A RELATIONSHIP....I certainly don't deny it but this continuous mantra of how they were aligned throughout the entirety of their (very separate) lives and were an unrealized destiny is simply untrue. The initial theme of this thread is that Prince proposed to and married Mayte because Vanity had just married someone other than him. Go back and read the first few pages of posts on this thread. There is blatant opinion/discussion/insinuation that Prince proposed and married Mayte for reasons other than love. Let's take a look at replies 1-7: #1. That same year July 1995 a sad Prince and yes I believe a very vulnerable and hurt Prince proposed. Something that had not been discussed It was love on the rebound!!! Does not anyone see this correlation? #2. Thanks for starting a thread on this topic since there is likelihood of a connection #3. There is a definite correalation especially finding out if true that he proposed over the phone to M1. Who does that if in mad love? #4. He had the money and means to make a GRAND proposal- including flying to Spain to get on one knee. Prince was the master romancer/ seducer. By the way she described it in the book, he sounded sick and down. The whole thing was spontaneous and unplanned. #5. Oh! THAT right there definite side eye and she should have known THEN. I think the ego of a young woman who feels her man would not want a woman older or his age. Looking back and the V of the bangs. Did you guys see one of his fave pics of M1? it is all about V and the poor thing has no clue Can I add this too . . . the silver hoop . . . that is V and Prince too and M1 has taken it. I find it peculiar as if she does not know his history or does not care. #6. I think he was confused/depressed at this time. #7. Yes exactly, I think a lot of his emotional pain at that time came from this(Vanity marrying someone else) I feel as though he never would have married M1. While these are opinions, I find it incredibly disrespectful to Prince, Mayte and their historical relationship. They were friends, mentor/protégé, boss/employee, lovers and then HE MARRIED THE WOMAN! And please, let's not forget they had a child together. Sorry, but that counts for much more than a 2 year intimate relationship and (perhaps) several ensuing years of communicating via letters. How can any of you not see that? I have posted this link, content://com.sec.android...943.mhtml, several times on various topics. Please read them. These articles portray Prince as a husband very much in love with his wife. Words from his own mouth. You are discounting things he has said (yep, he did call Mayte his soul mate) as much as you say there are those not acknowledging his heartfelt (alleged.....just haven't heard it) things he said after Denise passed during his February P&M show. See how that works? Again, to suggest that he proposed and married Mayte for the singular reason of Vanity marrying someone else is....well.....just mind boggling (to put it nicely). Honestly.

He married Mayte and HE DIVORCED HER. Let's not forget that. This woman has NEVER moved on with her life and part of is because the people surrounding her and her fans with similar sentiment to yours, continue to celebrate a marriage that ended. In fact, people were wishing Mayte a "Happy Anniversary" on Feb. 14th, of this year on social media because it would've been her and Prince's 21st wedding anniversary, had they stayed married, BUT THEY DIDN'T. HE DIVORCED HER AND MARRIED SOMEONE ELSE. If THAT is not disrespectful to Prince, then I don't know what is. It's disturbing. AGAIN, he married her, but HE DIVORCED HER. Unfortunately, they experienced the loss of a child. That happens to a lot of couples and it's is completely devastating. Some couples survive that and some don't. There comes a time for healing and acceptance and it's time Mayte get there. Being stuck for almost 20 years in fantasy of a marriage that ENDED, is not healthy.

As for Vanity, he knew for over 34 years when she died. Even though their recorded romantic relationship was about 2 years, they remained in touch through the 80's and were friends for MUCH longer than he was married to Mayte. So really, it is Mayte who has a shorter history with Prince that Vanity did. She was significant in his life, even just as friends.

BTW, your link doesn't work.

purplegirl00 said:

NotACleverName said:

I don't think anyone would deny that Prince and Denise/Vanity HAD A RELATIONSHIP....I certainly don't deny it but this continuous mantra of how they were aligned throughout the entirety of their (very separate) lives and were an unrealized destiny is simply untrue. The initial theme of this thread is that Prince proposed to and married Mayte because Vanity had just married someone other than him. Go back and read the first few pages of posts on this thread. There is blatant opinion/discussion/insinuation that Prince proposed and married Mayte for reasons other than love. Let's take a look at replies 1-7: #1. That same year July 1995 a sad Prince and yes I believe a very vulnerable and hurt Prince proposed. Something that had not been discussed It was love on the rebound!!! Does not anyone see this correlation? #2. Thanks for starting a thread on this topic since there is likelihood of a connection #3. There is a definite correalation especially finding out if true that he proposed over the phone to M1. Who does that if in mad love? #4. He had the money and means to make a GRAND proposal- including flying to Spain to get on one knee. Prince was the master romancer/ seducer. By the way she described it in the book, he sounded sick and down. The whole thing was spontaneous and unplanned. #5. Oh! THAT right there definite side eye and she should have known THEN. I think the ego of a young woman who feels her man would not want a woman older or his age. Looking back and the V of the bangs. Did you guys see one of his fave pics of M1? it is all about V and the poor thing has no clue Can I add this too . . . the silver hoop . . . that is V and Prince too and M1 has taken it. I find it peculiar as if she does not know his history or does not care. #6. I think he was confused/depressed at this time. #7. Yes exactly, I think a lot of his emotional pain at that time came from this(Vanity marrying someone else) I feel as though he never would have married M1. While these are opinions, I find it incredibly disrespectful to Prince, Mayte and their historical relationship. They were friends, mentor/protégé, boss/employee, lovers and then HE MARRIED THE WOMAN! And please, let's not forget they had a child together. Sorry, but that counts for much more than a 2 year intimate relationship and (perhaps) several ensuing years of communicating via letters. How can any of you not see that? I have posted this link, content://com.sec.android...943.mhtml, several times on various topics. Please read them. These articles portray Prince as a husband very much in love with his wife. Words from his own mouth. You are discounting things he has said (yep, he did call Mayte his soul mate) as much as you say there are those not acknowledging his heartfelt (alleged.....just haven't heard it) things he said after Denise passed during his February P&M show. See how that works? Again, to suggest that he proposed and married Mayte for the singular reason of Vanity marrying someone else is....well.....just mind boggling (to put it nicely). Honestly.

He married Mayte and HE DIVORCED HER. Let's not forget that. This woman has NEVER moved on with her life and part of is because the people surrounding her and her fans with similar sentiment to yours, continue to celebrate a marriage that ended. In fact, people were wishing Mayte a "Happy Anniversary" on Feb. 14th, of this year on social media because it would've been her and Prince's 21st wedding anniversary, had they stayed married, BUT THEY DIDN'T. HE DIVORCED HER AND MARRIED SOMEONE ELSE. If THAT is not disrespectful to Prince, then I don't know what is. It's disturbing. AGAIN, he married her, but HE DIVORCED HER. Unfortunately, they experienced the loss of a child. That happens to a lot of couples and it's is completely devastating. Some couples survive that and some don't. There comes a time for healing and acceptance and it's time Mayte get there. Being stuck for almost 20 years in fantasy of a marriage that ENDED, is not healthy.

As for Vanity, he knew for over 34 years when she died. Even though their recorded romantic relationship was about 2 years, they remained in touch through the 80's and were friends for MUCH longer than he was married to Mayte. So really, it is Mayte who has a shorter history with Prince that Vanity did. She was significant in his life, even just as friends.

BTW, your link doesn't work.

Even though Prince was divorced and married twice....He still MARRIED 2 other ladies and never married Vanity....& was never interested in marrying her either.....

PennyPurple said:

purplegirl00 said:

He married Mayte and HE DIVORCED HER. Let's not forget that. This woman has NEVER moved on with her life and part of is because the people surrounding her and her fans with similar sentiment to yours, continue to celebrate a marriage that ended. In fact, people were wishing Mayte a "Happy Anniversary" on Feb. 14th, of this year on social media because it would've been her and Prince's 21st wedding anniversary, had they stayed married, BUT THEY DIDN'T. HE DIVORCED HER AND MARRIED SOMEONE ELSE. If THAT is not disrespectful to Prince, then I don't know what is. It's disturbing. AGAIN, he married her, but HE DIVORCED HER. Unfortunately, they experienced the loss of a child. That happens to a lot of couples and it's is completely devastating. Some couples survive that and some don't. There comes a time for healing and acceptance and it's time Mayte get there. Being stuck for almost 20 years in fantasy of a marriage that ENDED, is not healthy.

As for Vanity, he knew for over 34 years when she died. Even though their recorded romantic relationship was about 2 years, they remained in touch through the 80's and were friends for MUCH longer than he was married to Mayte. So really, it is Mayte who has a shorter history with Prince that Vanity did. She was significant in his life, even just as friends.

BTW, your link doesn't work.

Even though Prince was divorced and married twice....He still MARRIED 2 other ladies and never married Vanity....& was never interested in marrying her either.....

To me, if you don't STAY married, does it matter anyway? If it's over, it's over. He didn't marry Vanity, but unless you were in his head, how could you possibly know he was not interested in doing that at some point? Unless we are mindreaders which I'm sure we are NOT, we couldn't know that he was never interested in marrying her. All we know is that he cared for her deeply, even if just as friends and knew her a heck of a longer time than the wives. He mourned her passing publicly with his emotions at the P & M Melbourne tribute.

NotACleverName said:

Vashtix said:

Prince was not like other people. He was not the man who thought logically , He thlught like Prince and that is why he is the icon he is now and forever. NOthing is set in stone it is a theory. It is okay to discuss and think out loud. I think both Vanity and Prince did things to egg on the other. Things like sex up others, date others and yes marry others. I think they were 2 people who were different than the rest of us . They were special

No, I don't think that Prince would be the type of man to marry someone to "egg on the other". I just can't imagine him to be the kind of man who would disregard the sanctity of marriage (a spiritual, holy, religious joining of two souls) to that degree. How could anyone, in their right mind, with a conscience and love for God (and all that God represents) marry someone with the only underlying reason, or primary motivation, being what you have noted above? Even if it's just discussion, a theory, how can one suggest that Prince, knowingly, devalued another (in this case, Mayte) to such a level? That's unconscionable, imo.

When people come at someone due to their celebrity and money that is the total devalue in my opinion. It takes the humanity out of another person and they just see the come up gained for being with them. That is why certain people aimed for Prince. If he was a local musician in Minnesota and not wealthy I am sure many of the women who went for him would not. He clearly knew that so I cannot be upset for him also having an agenda/reason/purpose etc.

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luvgirl said:

Boom!!!!! U tell it!!!!

pnv said:

Prince and Vanity RIP Forever!!!!!

luvgirl said:

You know what, your first sentence is a very dismal interpretation of what I have written. Where, in my post, did I say "no one is supposed to discuss his and Vanity's relationship in the past"? Please, point it out. What I did say was the suggestion that Prince married Mayte because Vanity married (wth is her ex husband's name?).....whoever, is disrespectful. One has to have a fairly low opinion of the man's morals to even contemplate THAT.

Also, did you read my first line? I said no one is denying they, Vanity and Prince, had a relationship; however, it was not the epic love story some are claiming, or even hoping, wishing and willing, it to be.

Interesting that you would call out someone for discussing a relationship that occurred 20+ years in the past when Prince and Vanity happened BEFORE that. They were together in 1980? 1982? For two years? That equates to 30+ years ago.

Furthermore, I will post on this open forum anytime, on any thread, as often as I like.

The following link, to articles I mentioned in my previous post above, works....I tested it.

http://princetext.tripod....ion96.html

NotACleverName said:

You know what, your first sentence is a very dismal interpretation of what I have written. Where, in my post, did I say "no one is supposed to discuss his and Vanity's relationship in the past"? Please, point it out. What I did say was the suggestion that Prince married Mayte because Vanity married (wth is her ex husband's name?).....whoever, is disrespectful. One has to have a fairly low opinion of the man's morals to even contemplate THAT. Also, did you read my first line? I said no one is denying they, Vanity and Prince, had a relationship; however, it was not the epic love story some are claiming, or even hoping, wishing and willing, it to be. Interesting that you would call out someone for discussing a relationship that occurred 20+ years in the past when Prince and Vanity happened BEFORE that. They were together in 1980? 1982? For two years? That equates to 30+ years ago. Furthermore, I will post on this open forum anytime, on any thread, as often as I like. The following link, to articles I mentioned in my previous post above, works....I tested it. http://princetext.tripod....ion96.html

NotACleverName said:

luvgirl said:

So let me get this straight.. Because Prince and Mayte were married and had a child together, no one is supposed to discuss his and Vanity's relationship in the past, or about them having a connection in any way. His life began and stopped when he met and married Mayte. No one else in his life mattered before or after her.... Girl, get out of here with that crap. Who says stuff like this? Especially when the couple has been divorced for almost twenty years and he divorced her to marry another woman? Prince and Vanity had a connection too, be it one year, two year or throughout their lifespan, that's why people are still talking about them thirty five years later. If people want to remember it, rehash it, deliberate it, compare notes on it, impute a theory, that's their liberty. No one is gonna censor me from talking about them. Don't frequent this thread the way you do if you find it disrespectful to Prince and Mayte's "Historical Relationship" Vanity and Prince had a "Historical Relationship" as well.. [Edited 5/20/17 8:45am]

You know what, your first sentence is a very dismal interpretation of what I have written. Where, in my post, did I say "no one is supposed to discuss his and Vanity's relationship in the past"? Please, point it out. What I did say was the suggestion that Prince married Mayte because Vanity married (wth is her ex husband's name?).....whoever, is disrespectful. One has to have a fairly low opinion of the man's morals to even contemplate THAT. Also, did you read my first line? I said no one is denying they, Vanity and Prince, had a relationship; however, it was not the epic love story some are claiming, or even hoping, wishing and willing, it to be. Interesting that you would call out someone for discussing a relationship that occurred 20+ years in the past when Prince and Vanity happened BEFORE that. They were together in 1980? 1982? For two years? That equates to 30+ years ago. Furthermore, I will post on this open forum anytime, on any thread, as often as I like. The following link, to articles I mentioned in my previous post above, works....I tested it. http://princetext.tripod....ion96.html

I feel for some reason there is a need to discount one relationship to validate another. I think that peeps who feel Mayte was the soulmate love of his life - will never see that Prince had a connection with Denise that spanned decades. Those of us who see the connection cannot help but see Prince did not have the same "type" of connection with either wife or lovers.

I cannot discount any of his relationships, not with Sheila, Susannah ,Andy, Jill, Anna, and on and on and on nor with the wives.

All I have said and continue to say is these 2 people were twin flames. This does not mean they were Romeo and Juliet at all nor soulmates or an epic love story.

It means they were seriously connected and at times it is hard for people to accept because it lasted decades.

https://lonerwolf.com/20-twin-flame-signs/

I like to refer to our twin flames as mirror souls because they essentially reflect the deepest needs, desires, dreams and shadow elements of our souls. We will explore this a bit more later on.

However, before that, I just want to say that our twin flames are not always romantic, and they are not – as is so popularly suggested – necessarily heterosexual connections. In fact, our twin flames may be romantic partners of the same sex (or no sex), and they can often be platonic friends or even family members who we have known for a long time.

http://devinemiracles.com/twin-flames.html

even if you meet your Twin-Flame at a young age,you will stick together for life. It is so powerful that it becomes what defines you,and inspires others to reach for their own connection with a "Twin-Flame"

http://thoughtcatalog.com/brianna-wiest/2016/09/18-signs-youre-experiencing-whats-known-as-a-twin-flame-relationship/

It seems like you have this profound connection that must be destined, but you come into one another’s life at the wrong time, or something else stands in the way of you being together. This is not a product of ill fate, rather, it is a sign that you’re not meant to be together in the way you think you should. (The right thing at the wrong time is the wrong thing.)

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SayItsJustADream said:

Thank you, I finally heard it again. I've been really busy in the last week and hadn't been able to listen to it when we were discussing it. I knew I had heard it before, but I really didn't dwell on it long enough to remember exactly which song it was. He said so many profound things about Denise that night. It was a lot to take in. Thanks for bringing it to my attention again guys. I noticed that he played around with the piano keys coming up with the music notes before singing the words, as those lyrics were not a part of that song. So touching to hear.
[Edited 5/21/17 16:36pm]

SayItsJustADream said:

anangellooksdown said:

PaisleyPrint said: Prince would have fallen deeply in a lasting, happy love with someone who was the true full package. His soul craved someone who had incredible spiritual depth. Even that I can't explain, because it can't BE explained. She would've had to have other assets too. Beauty, talent (but not look to make that her thing), honesty, respect, and a spiritual purpose. When he said "That's my wife" the first time he saw Mayte, he was joking. We all know the story. It's just something how it became to be. BTW lately I have begun to agree that when we really love someone we would keep that private or at least not write a book about all our business. Just an unrelated thought I wanted to add. I think the coincidence of Vanity passing while he knew he was ill caused him to not only be sad about her, but to also reflect on his own situation. I see it as the final mirror vision of each other. I believe he was attracted to women who looked like him and were talented and beautiful so that he could see the female side of himself in them. So when Vanity passed, that had to be hard, devastating, and even perhaps a little scary for him.

Well Said Angel!

Not sure what you mean by the "he was just joking" part, but I DO think too that he was indeed reflecting on his own situation as well, and it caused him extra sadness and dispair.

[Edited 5/22/17 14:00pm]

luvgirl said:

PaisleyPrint said:

Okay, let me stop right here, right now at this very post (cause I've been wanting to say this for a loooooong, long time but just didn't know how without offending someone). This is what "I" personally believe about Vanity and Prince's "relationship", not saying that I'm right, but this is what I have always "believed" and no offense to anyone, her fans/family ect. reading this. I am not trying to be mean or fecetious, but in my "Heart of hearts" I've always felt that Vanity was P's "freak in the sheets, and lady in the streets" type of woman. The one that he would go to for that "no holds barred", "anything goes" type of sex (y'all fill in the blanks). I'm sure all of you reading this has heard about the proverbial wife whos hubby sometimes seeks the services of a prostitute/mistress or some such person because the wife won't "do certain things". TOB mentioned the fact that Vanity says that after an awards show (in the late 80's if I'm not mistaken) he gave her that "look" and she could tell he "missed her" (yeah, I bet he did). So they left together and went back to his place, and you know the rest... I said that to say this, just because someone is fond of someone for whatever reason does NOT mean it is true Love. It may be true lust but not true love. I'ts been said before that P had a Madonna/Whore complex and it may very well be true. I think he played mind games with her and lots of other women, and I think Vanity's problem was her aggressiveness with men (much too aggressive if you ask me, considering her "beauty" and all). Even after becoming saved she could never settle down and find a man to love her the way she deserved to be loved. And no one ever questions that. They just continue to link her to Prince, as if he's the only thing in life that validates her. As far as him begging God to bring her back, I'll believe it when I hear it. NotACleverName, I agree with you, I notice how they completely ignored the paragraph about Mayte before the one about Vanity. Also, he told Oprah that when he first saw Mayte, he knew she was his wife, yada, yada, ect. But look what happened in the end. So his "feelings" were not stable. He could feel one way one minute and another in the next five minutes. So yeah, what he had with Vanity was Sex whenever she was lonely and available. And he enjoyed the game. That's my take on it.

[Edited 5/17/17 14:19pm]

What is it with you people? What is it to you, if Prince and Vanity have fans that are enthusiastic about them as a couple? What is it to you if we rehash their time together and wonder about songs she inspired? Why do you feel the need to suppress our enthusiasm about them? In this relentless pursuit, you go even to the point of insulting her and insinuate all types of vile concoctions about what she meant to him and who she was as a person just to drive your point across. Her fans can't even discuss her or her time with Prince without people harassing the thread that we're on, trying to repress positive opinions about them in an effort to drive their own thoughts across, or woman whom they believe is the ideal one for him. In this efforts some come in every thread about Vanity and resort to disrespectful comments towards her. It's encouraged to go into threads and say nasty things about her, but God forbid her fans get too excited about her and Prince as a couple. You'll never see me in a thread trying to tear another one of Prince's women or protege down because I'm a Prince and Vanity fan. Never. Search the Mayte, Andy Allo, Mani, or Susannah Melvoin threads, you won't see me there disrespecting any of them. Vanity was beloved for her beauty, her charisma, her inner confidence. She was brave enough to walk away from Prince when she felt she wasn't being treated fairly and wasn't satisfied with being just another one of his women. She went on to do movies like The last Dragon, Action Jackson, Never Too Young To Die, and many more. She was a cult fiction icon in her own right. She overcame her addictions and gave up her negative life style to serve the Lord. PaisleyPrint, in your post you said Vanity fans needed Prince to validate her, but it seems to me that you are the one saying a woman needs a man to validate her with this comment, "Even after becoming saved she could never settle down and find a man to love her the way she deserved to be loved. And no one ever questions that." Since when does a woman need a man to validate her existence? Vanity didn't need Prince or needed to marry any man to validate her. She was a pretty impressive woman. She went on to validate herself. You said you don't think Prince loved vanity and it was only lust, that she was just his "freaks in the sheets". You can have your opinion. Its yours. There is only one big problem with your analysis, Prince already told the world how he felt about vanity. You can choose not to believe him, you can say whatever you want to say, think whatever u want to think, Speculate, psychoanalyze, conceive, rack your brains to try and deter away from his comments in your other post that she was "dear to him" or even that the audience felt that way about her. (damn, she can't even get that one?) You can even take a time machine, head back to 1982, see if you can find Prince and Vanity - try to find out if their realstionship was based on lust or love - but when you get back, stop at the date 2/16/16 in Melbourne - Because on that date, you'll find Prince telling the world exactly how he felt about Vanity when he said "HER And I USED TO LOVE EACH OTHER DEEPLY." And telling the world that he loved her with a passion uncontested. Doesn't sound like she was just a (----) to me. They loved each other deeply and had an intensely passionate relationship with ups and downs. Things just didn't work out in the long run between them. Prince told us this when he said "As much as we loved we used to fight" You want me to bypass what Prince said and take your word for it? Whatever happened between them, they never forgot about each other. It seems to me she meant more to him than the prostitute you are implying. They both said what they needed to say. I'm gonna go by what Prince and Vanity said. You can go by your analysis or those astrology cards or tarot cards or whatever you call them. You are that same Paisley Print who had that astrology thread about the relationship with all of Prince's women right? By the way, I'm not trying to be mean either. [Edited 5/19/17 4:37am]

Sorry if I offended you luvgirl. Just speaking my mind that's all. And like I said, "I" don't have to be right. It's just my opinion. And yes, I'm the one whe did the astrological analysis on P and all of his past women/relationships. And yes, I stand by it 100 percent. I know some of you (if not all) have read it and some failed to comment. And that's cool because it needed no validation. Like I said, the proof was in the pudding. Tarot cards? It's a hit or miss with them. But that birth chart and those planets NEVER lie. No offense taken...

Looks like Prince exalted in fantasizing that a woman was either going to be his wife... Or WAS his wife when he was extremely attracted to them. He went along the same lines as he did with Mayte when he first met Denise. Here's an excerpt of her first meeting with Prince from her book "Blame it on Vanity"

Cameras were hovering about, honing in, interrogating for impressive subject material. I somewhat confused - much like the Great fall of Babylon-from the semi-automatic bombastic explosion of questions on my right, but I recall only one that mattered. "Who is the lovely lady Prince?" Was he really speaking of me? Grabbing tight my hand and yanking me to his side Prince replied defiantly, "This is my wife"...

Lol, so cute...
[Edited 5/25/17 6:39am]

luvgirl said:

TEAM VANITY!!!! STAND TALL and PROUD!!!!

Vashtix said:

Hi Vashtix,
Definitely didn't mean to make it a Denise VS anyone post.
I simply get going sometimes with my thoughts and that's where they ended up.
That's some of how I see each relationship.

anangellooksdown said:

Vashtix said:

Why has this become Denise vs Mayte? I think the 2 women were different in his life. He married Mayte.

Denise was way before her and way after her. Mayte was a time; Denise was throughout once they met. The dynamics are different.

Hi Vashtix, Definitely didn't mean to make it a Denise VS anyone post. I simply get going sometimes with my thoughts and that's where they ended up. That's some of how I see each relationship.

Everyone's thoughts should be respected even if not accepted;it makes for a real discussion and can lead to coming to real truth and understandings. The sheep mentality where everyone is in agreement lacks true discussion. There needs to be questions, wondering, and looking deeper than what is presented.

I appreciate your thoughts on the relationships. Hope it leads to a deeper discussion without labeling and belittling or demeaning anyone discussed.

luvgirl said:

Looks like Prince exalted in fantasizing that a woman was either going to be his wife... Or WAS his wife when he was extremely attracted to them. He went along the same lines as he did with Mayte when he first met Denise. Here's an excerpt of her first meeting with Prince from her book "Blame it on Vanity" Cameras were hovering about, honing in, interrogating for impressive subject material. I somewhat confused - much like the Great fall of Babylon-from the semi-automatic bombastic explosion of questions on my right, but I recall only one that mattered. "Who is the lovely lady Prince?" Was he really speaking of me? Grabbing tight my hand and yanking me to his side Prince replied defiantly, "This is my wife"... Lol, so cute... [Edited 5/25/17 6:39am]

LOVE this. I could totally picture it and then giggles after.