pnv said:

Huh?

anangellooksdown said:

Vashtix said:

Hahn should have just came straight and told the reader Prince confessed in his tribute to Vanity that he wrote TBOs for her and even said "she knows about this one". THIS MAN cannot even say that, What did Denise do piss on his Cheerios? He gave her a backhanded mention again.

Dissing Apples too?

I am sorry I just can't believe people take his word as the THE WORD on Prince. That statement there is enough for me not to take it as serious. He really has issues with both women.

We know that Prince was wailing for Vanity the world knows- he said as much in the Tribute. He also asked God to return her back home to me". That conveniently was not in the book either.

So slanted.

Sorry for the rant but he refused to come out and just say it.

What was Prince's exact quote regarding the text I bolded?

Exactly what is bolded

Vashtix said:

That is not a direct quote.

anangellooksdown said:

Vashtix said:

Exactly what is bolded

That is not a direct quote.

"Dear Lord, dear, dear Lord, bring her back, bring her back, bring her back home to me"

Exact words from his mouth.

Vashtix said:

Really! I never heard that all the times I listened. Do you have a link to any audio or visual you can OrgNote me? Thank you.

anangellooksdown said:

I don't hear it. I hear him giving her a beautiful tribute though 💜

https://www.facebook.com/...416695991/

Vashtix said:

Hi Vashtix...
I just received your OrgNote saying that if I gave you my email address you would forward me the audio of Prince singing the (above) words you wrote.....

LOL.....WOW.

anangellooksdown said:

anangellooksdown said:

Really! I never heard that all the times I listened. Do you have a link to any audio or visual you can OrgNote me? Thank you.

I don't hear it. I hear him giving her a beautiful tribute though 💜 https://www.facebook.com/...416695991/

Hi Angel..! Please Check Org notes...It's at the very end of "How Come You Don't Call Me Anymore..." before he transitions to "The Ladder.." It's so heart wrenching to hear at times, between "How Come.." and "The Beautiful Ones"...and his mournful "Ooooohs" at the end of Purple Rain for the 2nd show...it was brave of him to openly grieve with the audience...and from what I heard it was a collective experience...and a beautiful tribute to Denise...

SayItsJustADream said:

Hi Dream!
:wave2:

Thank you so much for being willing to share all that information! I haven't listened yet to it all but will when I have some time later today. I'm sure you're right, as you have a wealth of accurate knowledge about our Prince.

His heart was so big. He truly loved and cared about all of these women he mentored. No wonder they loved him back so much.

I know Denise was ALWAYS very important to him, and I love getting these beautiful reminders of Prince's unending love for people.

Hope all is well!

anangellooksdown said:

SayItsJustADream said:

Hi Angel..! Please Check Org notes...It's at the very end of "How Come You Don't Call Me Anymore..." before he transitions to "The Ladder.." It's so heart wrenching to hear at times, between "How Come.." and "The Beautiful Ones"...and his mournful "Ooooohs" at the end of Purple Rain for the 2nd show...it was brave of him to openly grieve with the audience...and from what I heard it was a collective experience...and a beautiful tribute to Denise...

Hi Dream! Thank you so much for being willing to share all that information! I haven't listened yet to it all but will when I have some time later today. I'm sure you're right, as you have a wealth of accurate knowledge about our Prince. His heart was so big. He truly loved and cared about all of these women he mentored. No wonder they loved him back so much. I know Denise was ALWAYS very important to him, and I love getting these beautiful reminders of Prince's unending love for people. Hope all is well!

Hi Angel!

Awww shucks, your words are so kind..! But you're a wealth of knowledge yourself..!

Thank you for your insights into the beautiful and wondrous soul that is Prince...His love has no bounds...

laurarichardson said:

NotACleverName said:

WOW....did all of you not notice the verbiage in the article BEFORE the red outlined text? Please begin reading the second paragraph of this article. It begins as follows: "When he talks about his wife, Mayte, his eyes fill with tears of love and joy......has finally found what he was looking for.". The man was so desperately in love with HIS WIFE that the mere thought of that love overwhelmed him to the point of tears! EDIT TO ADD: Hmmmm....part of my post was cut off. He mentioned this because of the fact that they weren't speaking at this time so what better way to advise Vanity of the fact that there was no need to worry about him? His spirit was fine because his soul had found what it was searching for (see above). And that came in the form of his wife, Mayte. [Edited 4/14/17 11:01am]

You have no way of knowing who he was speaking to. No one has every said he did not love Matye. I think he fell out of love with later due to some issues that we are never going to hear about but I think Vanity was the one that put it on him.

Okay, let me stop right here, right now at this very post (cause I've been wanting to say this for a loooooong, long time but just didn't know how without offending someone). This is what "I" personally believe about Vanity and Prince's "relationship", not saying that I'm right, but this is what I have always "believed" and no offense to anyone, her fans/family ect. reading this. I am not trying to be mean or fecetious, but in my "Heart of hearts" I've always felt that Vanity was P's "freak in the sheets, and lady in the streets" type of woman. The one that he would go to for that "no holds barred", "anything goes" type of sex (y'all fill in the blanks). I'm sure all of you reading this has heard about the proverbial wife whos hubby sometimes seeks the services of a prostitute/mistress or some such person because the wife won't "do certain things". TOB mentioned the fact that Vanity says that after an awards show (in the late 80's if I'm not mistaken) he gave her that "look" and she could tell he "missed her" (yeah, I bet he did). So they left together and went back to his place, and you know the rest... I said that to say this, just because someone is fond of someone for whatever reason does NOT mean it is true Love. It may be true lust but not true love. I'ts been said before that P had a Madonna/Whore complex and it may very well be true. I think he played mind games with her and lots of other women, and I think Vanity's problem was her aggressiveness with men (much too aggressive if you ask me, considering her "beauty" and all). Even after becoming saved she could never settle down and find a man to love her the way she deserved to be loved. And no one ever questions that. They just continue to link her to Prince, as if he's the only thing in life that validates her. As far as him begging God to bring her back, I'll believe it when I hear it. NotACleverName, I agree with you, I notice how they completely ignored the paragraph about Mayte before the one about Vanity. Also, he told Oprah that when he first saw Mayte, he knew she was his wife, yada, yada, ect. But look what happened in the end. So his "feelings" were not stable. He could feel one way one minute and another in the next five minutes. So yeah, what he had with Vanity was Sex whenever she was lonely and available. And he enjoyed the game. That's my take on it.

[Edited 5/17/17 14:19pm]

PaisleyPrint said:

Okay, let me stop right here, right now at this very post (cause I've been wanting to say this for a loooooong, long time but just didn't know how without offending someone). This is what "I" personally believe about Vanity and Prince's "relationship", not saying that I'm right, but this is what I have always "believed" and no offense to anyone, her fans/family ect. reading this. I am not trying to be mean or fecetious, but in my "Heart of hearts" I've always felt that Vanity was P's "freak in the sheets, and lady in the streets" type of woman. The one that he would go to for that "no holds barred", "anything goes" type of sex (y'all fill in the blanks). I'm sure all of you reading this has heard about the proverbial wife whos hubby sometimes seeks the services of a prostitute/mistress or some such person because the wife won't "do certain things". TOB mentioned the fact that Vanity says that after an awards show (in the late 80's if I'm not mistaken) he gave her that "look" and she could tell he "missed her" (yeah, I bet he did). So they left together and went back to his place, and you know the rest... I said that to say this, just because someone is fond of someone for whatever reason does NOT mean it is true Love. It may be true lust but not true love. I'ts been said before that P had a Madonna/Whore complex and it may very well be true. I think he played mind games with her and lots of other women, and I think Vanity's problem was her aggressiveness with men (much too aggressive if you ask me, considering her "beauty" and all). Even after becoming saved she could never settle down and find a man to love her the way she deserved to be loved. And no one ever questions that. They just continue to link her to Prince, as if he's the only thing in life that validates her. As far as him begging God to bring her back, I'll believe it when I hear it. NotACleverName, I agree with you, I notice how they completely ignored the paragraph about Mayte before the one about Vanity. Also, he told Oprah that when he first saw Mayte, he knew she was his wife, yada, yada, ect. But look what happened in the end. So his "feelings" were not stable. He could feel one way one minute and another in the next five minutes. So yeah, what he had with Vanity was Sex whenever she was lonely and available. And he enjoyed the game. That's my take on it.

[Edited 5/17/17 14:19pm]

Yep, you said that perfectly.

pnv said:

luvgirl said:

I agree wholeheartedly with the red bolded. The Come album and Vanity's moans on the song Orgasm, saying in the end "I Love you" to her voice is perfect example of those juvenile antics. He knew darn well what everyone would think... Moreover, understanding that Prince loved many women and possibly Myte doesn't change how I feel about that article. Why do people feel like everything is either black or white? No gray areas for them. They think, If you feel this way, you can't feel another way also. I think Prince loved many women but Vanity was special.. I still think it was suspicious that Prince brought up Vanity. Always had... The question WHY is worth exploring. Not a soul had asked him about her. She was obviously weighing heavily on his mind. He couldn't wait to make that statement. No going around it... Read it in print. He was obviously thinking of her. Why bring her up out of nowhere? Why was he worried about her like that, or what she was saying about him? He was not indifferent to her like he should have been after so many years being apart. He cared enough about her to address his fans about marrying someone else that wasn't her. (keep in mind that she'd just gotten married herself) He also cared enough to address her comment in an interview that was supposed to be about him and his wife.... He was not indifferent to her. Being indifferent to someone is the stone cold truth that you don't care about the person anymore. He was certainly not indifferent... Nothing wrong with entertaining an idea of why, or debating the reasons. All is fair in love and war... [Edited 4/15/17 13:17pm]

I agree with you!! No ones back pedaling!! There was a reason he kept bringing up Vanity. Its very obvious. What did he say when she passed? "Someone very dear to us has passed"!! Get it!! She was dear, special!!! She still owned his heart!!! Everything is connected....His marriages, his milestones, the Vanity tribute and YES his death!!! No one said he was pwhipped!!! Really??

Yeah, I "get it" alright. Someone dear to "Us". Meaning he was addressing the audience (not that she wasn't dear to P by the way, just saying) So yeah, someone dear to "Us" (all of us here in this place). Now that I think about it, how the heck does he know if Vanity was dear to the people in the audience or not. Half the people there may not have been a fan of hers at all. Sorry guys, I had to add a little humor there. Anyway, have you all ever thought about the fact that when he wrote her that letter telling her that God "loved her" more now than ever, why he didn't mention the fact that he loved her too. Why didn't he say something like, "God loves you, more now than ever, and so do I". Why?... That would have been the perfect opportunity right there to let her know how much she was loved. Instead of telling the world how much he/they "USE TO" love each other deeply after she is long gone from this earth.

PaisleyPrint said:

I think he and Vanity fulfilled something inside of Prince. The wildness, the artistic aspect of him and his persona, and I think they were hugely obsessed with each other. Breaking away from that was not easy for either one of them.
Vanity said that they would sometimes see each other later on and look at each other from across a club or wherever. I think they were lonely and hungry for each other in that connection they had found which was very sensual and ran deep, and I think he also loved her and JJ said she really cared about him.
When she describes them going home together later, she says it in a sad way. As though they were aching through their letting go of each other. I get the feeling spending these nights together made it harder to break apart/
She said that they were so close at one time it was scary, and that he was completely, yep, uninhibited in bed and the best lover.

Prince said much later that sensuality is something that is God-given. In other words, he had it, and she must've too.

Recently I realized that in 2014 when he said about Vanity, "Nobody could talk like her" at first I thought he meant her voice was sexy but now I think he meant she talks a LOT, and it was endearing to him. But I think she could also be a handful. (Remember the notebook someone found he had left behind on a day he and she were rehearsing and the picture he drew of her and him? It was clear to me that she could be challenging, lol...he says she knew she was the finest woman in the world.
The fact that he thought to mention her in the wedding article tells me that he recognized the connection he had once had with Vanity, and he was also perhaps taking that opportunity to speak to us and to her about his happiness, letting everyone know he was fine.

I do believe he loved Mayte for real and yes, I also believe things happened later and he was in pain and reacted, but then later when there might've been a chance with him and Mayte's again I feel he kept growing spiritually in his religious direction but Mayte wasn't interested in that. I think he saw that.
It's ok. All ends in this relationships the way it should, for all. Most important thing was he was free to get closer to God.
[Edited 5/17/17 15:30pm]

Vashtix said:

purplegirl00 said:

Agreed. By the time Mayte was in the picture, Vanity should've been a "has been" from at least 10 years prior. There was NO reason for him to be even mentioning her spirit or that everyone thought he was going to marry her when this interview was about him and Mayte.

They communicated in their own language on the DL. Special way to communicate.

Uhm...yes there was reason for him to be mentioning her. The reason was simply because of the fact that she (Vanity) had recently menioned him to a journalists in another publication and he (Prince) had heard about it and was simply addressing her statement (about being worried about his spirit) concerning him. That was All. Nothing more. Nothing less.

tigerlilyluv said:

NotACleverName said:

Singing a different tune from page one of this fantasy thread, aren't we? Some need to go back to the first page and reread again. This thread began with the premise that Prince proposed to Mayte because he was, according to the op, so devastated by Vanity's marriage that he just chose any ol' girl from his harem to wed. The op insinuated this was a calculated move, on the part of Prince, to send a subliminal message to Vanity of his distress over her marriage. Several heartily agreed with that.....now, some of you are backpedaling. Why? Because you realized how ridiculous it is? It's very disheartening that some "fans" think Prince was so p-whipped by Vanity that he would resort to such juvenile antics to get her attention. Please.....

Why, because it's Prince? Do you honestly think Prince is not capable of such a thing? You'll be amazed if you knew just how many, men in particular, marry for other reasons besides love. My brother did exactly that what you think Prince wouldn't do and he was around Prince's age, and making very good money, at that, many women wanted him, but this one woman made him jealous enough that he went and married his ex because the woman had a new man. I believe it was 3 years later that he divorced his wife because he knew he was wrong to do what you call as juvenile. I'm quite certain you thinking Prince said Vanity and him didn't marry cause they weren't seeing each other is just simply your opinion. You know what I got out of that statement he made? Not that my opinion matters, but the first thing that came to my mind was something like this... Prince goes public saying that Everyone thought... Now if people believed that Vanity was what some have said here---just an old flame, why would he bother to say "EVERYONE" vs just saying people thought? Why bother to think Prince was going to marry Vanity at all if she was behind him? Let me add this, too... Why have both his ex wives met Denise? One in person and the other wife conversated with her online. A few exes said Prince talked about Denise to them, some said they always thought Prince and Vanity were, uhm, what is it... soulmates? Honestly, I don't get into the soulmate stuff but what these exes have said makes me go, hmmm. Him openly stating this marriage stuff about Denise, in front of the woman he was married to, was enough in itself to prove Denise was much more to him--yes, even in the 90s, than you want to convince yourself to think. And most certainly these EVERYONE Prince was talking about must have thought Vanity meant enough to him as well for these same EVERYONE to even think Prince and Vanity was going to get married. I mean, really, after all, they were just old flames, right? But let's still randomly tell this interviewer about the marriage that could have been while that ex is behind me and my new wife is right here beside me. Tsk-tsk. In the case you don't know, Vanity said herself in one of her videos (this was in the 90s because she was already living a Christian life) that they still communicate. It might just be a coincidence that he was out there in CA shortly after Denise got married. Who knows. Are you catching on, yet? Hopefully you catch on straight away because it took me a lil minute to text this from my cellphone. I had to log back in. Luckily the text was still in the editing box. Carry on, though. I just wanted to respond to this only. 😃

Tbo, I always felt that that was a snide remark on P's part just to irritate Vanity. Just as he made that remark to Ebony magazine about, "Why are certain people saying that song is about them when they don't know"...yada, yada, ect. In other words, that "everyone" he is talking about could very well be Vanity herself (even though I have no idea why she, anyone or "everyone" would think that Prince wanted to marry her back in the day, the way he cheated on her and disrespected her by flaunting women right in her face but hey...who am I ya know ) Can you say mind games? Say it with me now: M-I-N-D G-A-M-E-S. Mind games. That's all folks.

PaisleyPrint said:

laurarichardson said:

NotACleverName said: You have no way of knowing who he was speaking to. No one has every said he did not love Matye. I think he fell out of love with later due to some issues that we are never going to hear about but I think Vanity was the one that put it on him.

Okay, let me stop right here, right now at this very post (cause I've been wanting to say this for a loooooong, long time but just didn't know how without offending someone). This is what "I" personally believe about Vanity and Prince's "relationship", not saying that I'm right, but this is what I have always "believed" and no offense to anyone, her fans/family ect. reading this. I am not trying to be mean or fecetious, but

1. in my "Heart of hearts" I've always felt that Vanity was P's "freak in the sheets, and lady in the streets" type of woman. The one that he would go to for that "no holds barred", "anything goes" type of sex (y'all fill in the blanks). I'm sure all of you reading this has heard about the proverbial wife whos hubby sometimes seeks the services of a prostitute/mistress or some such person because the wife won't "do certain things". TOB mentioned the fact that Vanity says that after an awards show (in the late 80's if I'm not mistaken) he gave her that "look" and she could tell he "missed her" (yeah, I bet he did). So they left together and went back to his place, and you know the rest... I said that to say this, just because someone is fond of someone for whatever reason does NOT mean it is true Love. It may be true lust but not true love.

2. I'ts been said before that P had a Madonna/Whore complex and it may very well be true. I think he played mind games with her and lots of other women, and I think Vanity's problem was her aggressiveness with men (much too aggressive if you ask me, considering her "beauty" and all).

3. Even after becoming saved she could never settle down and find a man to love her the way she deserved to be loved. And no one ever questions that. They just continue to link her to Prince, as if he's the only thing in life that validates her.

4. As far as him begging God to bring her back, I'll believe it when I hear it. NotACleverName, I agree with you, I notice how they completely ignored the paragraph about Mayte before the one about Vanity. Also, he told Oprah that when he first saw Mayte, he knew she was his wife, yada, yada, ect. But look what happened in the end. So his "feelings" were not stable. He could feel one way one minute and another in the next five minutes. So yeah, what he had with Vanity was Sex whenever she was lonely and available. And he enjoyed the game. That's my take on it.

[Edited 5/17/17 14:19pm]

1. Let me get this right, so Vanity was the prostitute/ whore/mistress? That's why he stayed in touch with her throughout the years? If that had been the case and she was just a piece of a$$, he would've blown her to the wind like the other side pieces. They may not have been lovers after the 80's BUT they seemed to be friends. I've never known a man to stay friends with his mistress/whore/ prostitute after the sexcapades were over. Sorry, not buying it.

2. That's right he played mind-games with them all, including Vanity. She may have been aggressive but she was gorgeous and could have ANY man she wanted. Her "whoring" around was to let Prince know she had options.

3. Before she met Prince she was well on her way. After she left him, she was doing movies and shows. When she gave up Hollywood, she became an Evangelist. None of that was tied to Prince. He wasn't involved in her doing those things. Sure shared in her testimonies about her promiscuious lifestyle and drugs and answered some questions about Prince. However, she was trying to help others change their lives by sharing her experience. She had her OWN validation.

4. He asks God to bring her back in the concert and MANY seasoned, true Prince fans have heard it and can validate it. Even ones who don't care for Vanity/Denise. Some of us have offered it to you and others who simply can't fathom that Prince would say such a thing about his ex-girlfriend/ mistress/ "whore" from 34 years ago and you have declined it. So just because you haven't heard it because you refuse, doesn't mean he didn't say it.

5. MAYTE was his truest love and soulmate. That's why he cheated, married another, got handed a divorce, and took Mayte back. Oh and Vanity was his whore. Niiiice.

PaisleyPrint said:

Vashtix said:

They communicated in their own language on the DL. Special way to communicate.

Uhm...yes there was reason for him to be mentioning her. The reason was simply because of the fact that she (Vanity) had recently menioned him to a journalists in another publication and he (Prince) had heard about it and was simply addressing her statement (about being worried about his spirit) concerning him. That was All. Nothing more. Nothing less.

If he didn't care about what she thought, why didn't he keep his mouth shut? He was not under any obligation to reply. C'mon.

purplegirl00 said:

PaisleyPrint said:

Uhm...yes there was reason for him to be mentioning her. The reason was simply because of the fact that she (Vanity) had recently menioned him to a journalists in another publication and he (Prince) had heard about it and was simply addressing her statement (about being worried about his spirit) concerning him. That was All. Nothing more. Nothing less.

If he didn't care about what she thought, why didn't he keep his mouth shut? He was not under any obligation to reply. C'mon.

at the risk of "stanning" I think it was just as it was meant to be - he and Vanity were speaking to one another and using the media.

moonsister said:

Seems to me Prince was more affected by Michael Jackson's death than Vanity's. The card in which he called Vanity "darling" he also told her he won't be calling her, and will instead write. So whatever was going on in his head, he seemed not to be pining for her at all. But he holed up in his room for days when Michael died. But they certainly took some sexy pics together.

Yeah, I saw that interview with Tavis Smiley talking about it. But you can't tell some 'o these ppl on the Org that. They don't realize P would've been just as distraught over Sheila E, Mayte, any one of his band mates ect. But to let them tell it, Vanity was the "end-all-be-all" in his life, and NOTHING and NOONE else mattered. Google: prince stayed in his room after michael jackson died. Click on the first story by teamcoco.com

PaisleyPrint said:

moonsister said:

Seems to me Prince was more affected by Michael Jackson's death than Vanity's. The card in which he called Vanity "darling" he also told her he won't be calling her, and will instead write. So whatever was going on in his head, he seemed not to be pining for her at all. But he holed up in his room for days when Michael died. But they certainly took some sexy pics together.

Yeah, I saw that interview with Tavis Smiley talking about it. But you can't tell some 'o these ppl on the Org that. They don't realize P would've been just as distraught over Sheila E, Mayte, any one of his band mates ect. But to let them tell it, Vanity was the "end-all-be-all" in his life, and NOTHING and NOONE else mattered. Google: prince stayed in his room after michael jackson died. Click on the first story by teamcoco.com

I have not seen one post saying was the end-all-be-all in his life that is a stretch. Prince was a human being and I find it interesting how there is even a debate over his mourning over her death.

It was what it was. We have the article of what happened the night he found out and he was shattered. I do not know why that is so offensive.

We do not know what he would have done publicly because like it or not he died weeks after Denise.

Vashtix said:

PaisleyPrint said:

Yeah, I saw that interview with Tavis Smiley talking about it. But you can't tell some 'o these ppl on the Org that. They don't realize P would've been just as distraught over Sheila E, Mayte, any one of his band mates ect. But to let them tell it, Vanity was the "end-all-be-all" in his life, and NOTHING and NOONE else mattered. Google: prince stayed in his room after michael jackson died. Click on the first story by teamcoco.com

I have not seen one post saying was the end-all-be-all in his life that is a stretch. Prince was a human being and I find it interesting how there is even a debate over his mourning over her death.

It was what it was. We have the article of what happened the night he found out and he was shattered. I do not know why that is so offensive.

We do not know what he would have done publicly because like it or not he died weeks after Denise.

Most people I know, who have close friends in the past or present that died, are usually pretty upset...

PennyPurple said:

Vashtix said:

I have not seen one post saying was the end-all-be-all in his life that is a stretch. Prince was a human being and I find it interesting how there is even a debate over his mourning over her death.

It was what it was. We have the article of what happened the night he found out and he was shattered. I do not know why that is so offensive.

We do not know what he would have done publicly because like it or not he died weeks after Denise.

Most people I know, who have close friends in the past or present that died, are usually pretty upset...

Sometimes and the thing with Prince is he was so private it was that he spoke about TBOs being for her and it was not something usual for him. I am not going drone on and on. It just the manner in which he publicly mourned was not expected.

Vashtix said:

PennyPurple said:

Most people I know, who have close friends in the past or present that died, are usually pretty upset...

Sometimes and the thing with Prince is he was so private it was that he spoke about TBOs being for her and it was not something usual for him. I am not going drone on and on. It just the manner in which he publicly mourned was not expected.

I think he really started opening up more the last year of his life. He was more open and basically reflected more on his life I believe. I think that is why he kinda started reaching out to his old friends, even though he and Vanity had kept in touch thru the years, it's the ones that he hadn't been in touch with.

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There is no doubt about it, that he was upset & shaken at her passing.

PennyPurple said:

Vashtix said:

Sometimes and the thing with Prince is he was so private it was that he spoke about TBOs being for her and it was not something usual for him. I am not going drone on and on. It just the manner in which he publicly mourned was not expected.

I think he really started opening up more the last year of his life. He was more open and basically reflected more on his life I believe. I think that is why he kinda started reaching out to his old friends, even though he and Vanity had kept in touch thru the years, it's the ones that he hadn't been in touch with.

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There is no doubt about it, that he was upset & shaken at her passing.

Yes he made contact with many the last year or so we were treated to much more of him . The last concert tour was a nice gift.

purplegirl00 said:

PaisleyPrint said:

Okay, let me stop right here, right now at this very post (cause I've been wanting to say this for a loooooong, long time but just didn't know how without offending someone). This is what "I" personally believe about Vanity and Prince's "relationship", not saying that I'm right, but this is what I have always "believed" and no offense to anyone, her fans/family ect. reading this. I am not trying to be mean or fecetious, but

1. in my "Heart of hearts" I've always felt that Vanity was P's "freak in the sheets, and lady in the streets" type of woman. The one that he would go to for that "no holds barred", "anything goes" type of sex (y'all fill in the blanks). I'm sure all of you reading this has heard about the proverbial wife whos hubby sometimes seeks the services of a prostitute/mistress or some such person because the wife won't "do certain things". TOB mentioned the fact that Vanity says that after an awards show (in the late 80's if I'm not mistaken) he gave her that "look" and she could tell he "missed her" (yeah, I bet he did). So they left together and went back to his place, and you know the rest... I said that to say this, just because someone is fond of someone for whatever reason does NOT mean it is true Love. It may be true lust but not true love.

2. I'ts been said before that P had a Madonna/Whore complex and it may very well be true. I think he played mind games with her and lots of other women, and I think Vanity's problem was her aggressiveness with men (much too aggressive if you ask me, considering her "beauty" and all).

3. Even after becoming saved she could never settle down and find a man to love her the way she deserved to be loved. And no one ever questions that. They just continue to link her to Prince, as if he's the only thing in life that validates her.

4. As far as him begging God to bring her back, I'll believe it when I hear it. NotACleverName, I agree with you, I notice how they completely ignored the paragraph about Mayte before the one about Vanity. Also, he told Oprah that when he first saw Mayte, he knew she was his wife, yada, yada, ect. But look what happened in the end. So his "feelings" were not stable. He could feel one way one minute and another in the next five minutes. So yeah, what he had with Vanity was Sex whenever she was lonely and available. And he enjoyed the game. That's my take on it.

[Edited 5/17/17 14:19pm]

1. Let me get this right, so Vanity was the prostitute/ whore/mistress? That's why he stayed in touch with her throughout the years? If that had been the case and she was just a piece of a$$, he would've blown her to the wind like the other side pieces. They may not have been lovers after the 80's BUT they seemed to be friends. I've never known a man to stay friends with his mistress/whore/ prostitute after the sexcapades were over. Sorry, not buying it.

2. That's right he played mind-games with them all, including Vanity. She may have been aggressive but she was gorgeous and could have ANY man she wanted. Her "whoring" around was to let Prince know she had options.

3. Before she met Prince she was well on her way. After she left him, she was doing movies and shows. When she gave up Hollywood, she became an Evangelist. None of that was tied to Prince. He wasn't involved in her doing those things. Sure shared in her testimonies about her promiscuious lifestyle and drugs and answered some questions about Prince. However, she was trying to help others change their lives by sharing her experience. She had her OWN validation.

4. He asks God to bring her back in the concert and MANY seasoned, true Prince fans have heard it and can validate it. Even ones who don't care for Vanity/Denise. Some of us have offered it to you and others who simply can't fathom that Prince would say such a thing about his ex-girlfriend/ mistress/ "whore" from 34 years ago and you have declined it. So just because you haven't heard it because you refuse, doesn't mean he didn't say it.

5. MAYTE was his truest love and soulmate. That's why he cheated, married another, got handed a divorce, and took Mayte back. Oh and Vanity was his whore. Niiiice.

LOL @ "She may have been aggressive but she was gorgeous and could have ANY man she wanted. Well, in case you didn't know, ALL women can if they look decent enough, but what did her beauty do for her as far as keeping one is what I wanna know. Even in her middle age (she still looked damn good when she died at age 57) she died alone. Alone. Why?

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I never heard Prince asking God to bring her back, so that remains to be seen

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I NEVER said Mayte was his truest love and soulmate (cause I know better). Prince said that to Oprah on her show. He said when he first saw her he said to himself, "That's my wife". Also that he believed they were related in another life, blah, blah, blah. So if he said all that to her and later reneged on all his promises, why would you think he would be stable with anybody else.

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Seriously, I think all this talk about Vanity and Prince being soul mates/twin flames ect. stems from his female fans wanting him to be linked to someone because thay just can't imagine their Prince leaving this world without having been deeply in love with someone and having had so many broken relationships throughout his life. So when Vanity died that was thee perfect opportunity to link him with her, go back through the years and pull quotes from publications, drum up meanings for various songs (besides TBO, that is) that may or may not have been about her and all sorts of outlandish stuff to give thier so-called "special relationship" some credibility.

Cause let's face it: We never heard ANYTHING about Prince and Vanity throughout the years. Not one peep out of ANYONE. Not Morris Day, Carmen Electra, Van Jones ect. Now all of a sudden they die two months apart and everyone wants to jump on the "soulmate" bandwagon (for lack of anything better to say I would guess). This is one of the main reasons I'm not buying it. Everyone was silent for all these years? Puh-leez...

PaisleyPrint said:

Prince would have fallen deeply in a lasting, happy love with someone who was the true full package. His soul craved someone who had incredible spiritual depth. Even that I can't explain, because it can't BE explained. She would've had to have other assets too. Beauty, talent (but not look to make that her thing), honesty, respect, and a spiritual purpose.

When he said "That's my wife" the first time he saw Mayte, he was joking. We all know the story. It's just something how it became to be. BTW lately I have begun to agree that when we really love someone we would keep that private or at least not write a book about all our business. Just an unrelated thought I wanted to add.

I think the coincidence of Vanity passing while he knew he was ill caused him to not only be sad about her, but to also reflect on his own situation. I see it as the final mirror vision of each other.

I believe he was attracted to women who looked like him and were talented and beautiful so that he could see the female side of himself in them. So when Vanity passed, that had to be hard, devastating, and even perhaps a little scary for him.

PaisleyPrint said:

What is it with you people? What is it to you, if Prince and Vanity have fans that are enthusiastic about them as a couple? What is it to you if we rehash their time together and wonder about songs she inspired? Why do you feel the need to suppress our enthusiasm about them? In this relentless pursuit, you go even to the point of insulting her and insinuate all types of vile concoctions about what she meant to him and who she was as a person just to drive your point across. Her fans can't even discuss her or her time with Prince without people harassing the thread that we're on, trying to repress positive opinions about them in an effort to drive their own thoughts across, or woman whom they believe is the ideal one for him. In this efforts some come in every thread about Vanity and resort to disrespectful comments towards her. It's encouraged to go into threads and say nasty things about her, but God forbid her fans get too excited about her and Prince as a couple. You'll never see me in a thread trying to tear another one of Prince's women or protege down because I'm a Prince and Vanity fan. Never. Search the Mayte, Andy Allo, Mani, or Susannah Melvoin threads, you won't see me there disrespecting any of them.

Vanity was beloved for her beauty, her charisma, her inner confidence. She was brave enough to walk away from Prince when she felt she wasn't being treated fairly and wasn't satisfied with being just another one of his women. She went on to do movies like The last Dragon, Action Jackson, Never Too Young To Die, and many more. She was a cult fiction icon in her own right. She overcame her addictions and gave up her negative life style to serve the Lord. PaisleyPrint, in your post you said Vanity fans needed Prince to validate her, but it seems to me that you are the one saying a woman needs a man to validate her with this comment, "Even after becoming saved she could never settle down and find a man to love her the way she deserved to be loved. And no one ever questions that." Since when does a woman need a man to validate her existence? Vanity didn't need Prince or needed to marry any man to validate her. She was a pretty impressive woman. She went on to validate herself.

You said you don't think Prince loved vanity and it was only lust, that she was just his "freaks in the sheets". You can have your opinion. Its yours. There is only one big problem with your analysis, Prince already told the world how he felt about vanity. You can choose not to believe him, you can say whatever you want to say, think whatever u want to think, Speculate, psychoanalyze, conceive, rack your brains to try and deter away from his comments in your other post that she was "dear to him" or even that the audience felt that way about her. (damn, she can't even get that one?) You can even take a time machine, head back to 1982, see if you can find Prince and Vanity - try to find out if their realstionship was based on lust or love - but when you get back, stop at the date 2/16/16 in Melbourne - Because on that date, you'll find Prince telling the world exactly how he felt about Vanity when he said "HER And I USED TO LOVE EACH OTHER DEEPLY." And telling the world that he loved her with a passion uncontested. Doesn't sound like she was just a (----) to me.

They loved each other deeply and had an intensely passionate relationship with ups and downs. Things just didn't work out in the long run between them. Prince told us this when he said "As much as we loved we used to fight" You want me to bypass what Prince said and take your word for it? Whatever happened between them, they never forgot about each other. It seems to me she meant more to him than the prostitute you are implying. They both said what they needed to say. I'm gonna go by what Prince and Vanity said. You can go by your analysis or those astrology cards or tarot cards or whatever you call them. You are that same Paisley Print who had that astrology thread about the relationship with all of Prince's women right? By the way, I'm not trying to be mean either.
[Edited 5/19/17 4:37am]

Soul Train 1983 - He's So Dull

anangellooksdown said:

PaisleyPrint said:

LOL @ "She may have been aggressive but she was gorgeous and could have ANY man she wanted. Well, in case you didn't know, ALL women can if they look decent enough, but what did her beauty do for her as far as keeping one is what I wanna know. Even in her middle age (she still looked damn good when she died at age 57) she died alone. Alone. Why?

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I never heard Prince asking God to bring her back, so that remains to be seen

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I NEVER said Mayte was his truest love and soulmate (cause I know better). Prince said that to Oprah on her show. He said when he first saw her he said to himself, "That's my wife". Also that he believed they were related in another life, blah, blah, blah. So if he said all that to her and later reneged on all his promises, why would you think he would be stable with anybody else.

.

Seriously, I think all this talk about Vanity and Prince being soul mates/twin flames ect. stems from his female fans wanting him to be linked to someone because thay just can't imagine their Prince leaving this world without having been deeply in love with someone and having had so many broken relationships throughout his life. So when Vanity died that was thee perfect opportunity to link him with her, go back through the years and pull quotes from publications, drum up meanings for various songs (besides TBO, that is) that may or may not have been about her and all sorts of outlandish stuff to give thier so-called "special relationship" some credibility.

Cause let's face it: We never heard ANYTHING about Prince and Vanity throughout the years. Not one peep out of ANYONE. Not Morris Day, Carmen Electra, Van Jones ect. Now all of a sudden they die two months apart and everyone wants to jump on the "soulmate" bandwagon (for lack of anything better to say I would guess). This is one of the main reasons I'm not buying it. Everyone was silent for all these years? Puh-leez...

Prince would have fallen deeply in a lasting, happy love with someone who was the true full package. His soul craved someone who had incredible spiritual depth. Even that I can't explain, because it can't BE explained. She would've had to have other assets too. Beauty, talent (but not look to make that her thing), honesty, respect, and a spiritual purpose. When he said "That's my wife" the first time he saw Mayte, he was joking. We all know the story. It's just something how it became to be. BTW lately I have begun to agree that when we really love someone we would keep that private or at least not write a book about all our business. Just an unrelated thought I wanted to add. I think the coincidence of Vanity passing while he knew he was ill caused him to not only be sad about her, but to also reflect on his own situation. I see it as the final mirror vision of each other. I believe he was attracted to women who looked like him and were talented and beautiful so that he could see the female side of himself in them. So when Vanity passed, that had to be hard, devastating, and even perhaps a little scary for him.

Not being argumentive but you have just described Denise Matthews not Vanity, Denise Matthews was a woiman who had incredible spiritual depth, beauty, talent, honesty, respect , spiritual purpose and a true loyalty and love for all things made by God.

She had renewed her mind, soul and spirit through her faith and belief in God.