Nice read. And I agree with her sentiment about the other women acting like widows. I mean, you might dislike Mayte, but there are very solid facts connecting them both and that's not something easily forgotten.

MMJas said:

BillieBalloon said:

MMJas said:

Nice read. And I agree with her sentiment about the other women acting like widows. I mean, you might dislike Mayte, but there are very solid facts connecting them both and that's not something easily forgotten.

Prince didn't leave a widow, not a single one of them can claim that title. Prince's only complete next of kin is Tyka.

Anyone see "pot calling the kettle black". She's doing the same thing she's accusing the others of. It's fine for her to think and feel that Prince's spirit is with her, but she made it sound as if she was the only one, like she's THE widow. The only solid fact is that Prince was not married to her or anyone on the day of his passing, therefore no widows exist.

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

I thought she said she had no idea oprah was coming to paisley park and the day of the interview he told her to "get out of the bed and get dressed oprah was here", but here she said they had expected the interview. Also after having zero relationship with him for 20 years she says prince is with her? FYI child living or not does not guarantee the father is yours, he could not have been more clear in his moving on from mayte I am reading the book, I don't have much time, so I am a few chapters in, sorry, but all of the belly dancing stuff seems a little over the top, maybe in a tiny super specialized world their are famous belly dancers, but in mainstream, famous belly dancers, zero. Also I do thank her for the visual of male belly dancers, google it... I liked her before the book and all of the media, I have changed my mind totally, just a few chapters in and good god how many times does the word "mama" appear. There is so much I don't like. Maybe after prince treats her terribly as has been alluded to on other threads I will have some love for her, but she got over everything and still pined for him, so probably not

Reading the interview, I think she meant that they knew there would be interviews and press around with the release of Emancipation, since it was scheduled to be released on her birthday, a week after her due date, and so she expected there to be scheduled events surrounding the release of the album, not necessarily that Oprah would be showing up at their home when she did.

BillieBalloon said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

I thought she said she had no idea oprah was coming to paisley park and the day of the interview he told her to "get out of the bed and get dressed oprah was here", but here she said they had expected the interview. Also after having zero relationship with him for 20 years she says prince is with her? FYI child living or not does not guarantee the father is yours, he could not have been more clear in his moving on from mayte I am reading the book, I don't have much time, so I am a few chapters in, sorry, but all of the belly dancing stuff seems a little over the top, maybe in a tiny super specialized world their are famous belly dancers, but in mainstream, famous belly dancers, zero. Also I do thank her for the visual of male belly dancers, google it... I liked her before the book and all of the media, I have changed my mind totally, just a few chapters in and good god how many times does the word "mama" appear. There is so much I don't like. Maybe after prince treats her terribly as has been alluded to on other threads I will have some love for her, but she got over everything and still pined for him, so probably not

I thought that about the Oprah thing too. She also confirms she wanted the book released on the anniversary of his death. She says she started writing it befire he died and he never said anything. In other interviews she says she was approached ti write a book before he died but had always refused. I did hear Prince shut the book down, so he was opposed to it.

I've heard it said before that Prince shut the book down, but the only place I've read that is here. Can you provide links to that?

purplegirl00 said:

BillieBalloon said:

MMJas said: Prince didn't leave a widow, not a single one of them can claim that title. Prince's only complete next of kin is Tyka.

Anyone see "pot calling the kettle black". She's doing the same thing she's accusing the others of. It's fine for her to think and feel that Prince's spirit is with her, but she made it sound as if she was the only one, like she's THE widow. The only solid fact is that Prince was not married to her or anyone on the day of his passing, therefore no widows exist.

I don't read it as her saying she is a widow, only that she shared something with him that no other woman in the world can claim and because of that her experience is unique to these other women. And it is. No other woman can make the claim to have carried a part of Prince within her womb. As such, she saw a part of Prince that no one else ever did. I mean, can you imagine that? Imagine at all how unique of a position this woman is in? I can understand the feeling because of having had children and gone through a divorce. He is my ex for a reason, but a part of him, a part of his energy, will always be with me, because we shared children together. That puts me in a unique position since he will never have any other children with any other woman.

purplegirl00 said:

BillieBalloon said:

MMJas said: Prince didn't leave a widow, not a single one of them can claim that title. Prince's only complete next of kin is Tyka.

Anyone see "pot calling the kettle black". She's doing the same thing she's accusing the others of. It's fine for her to think and feel that Prince's spirit is with her, but she made it sound as if she was the only one, like she's THE widow. The only solid fact is that Prince was not married to her or anyone on the day of his passing, therefore no widows exist.

I don't read it as her saying she is a widow, only that she shared something with him that no other woman in the world can claim and because of that her experience is unique to these other women. And it is. No other woman can make the claim to have carried a part of Prince within her womb. As such, she saw a part of Prince that no one else ever did. I mean, can you imagine that? Imagine at all how unique of a position this woman is in? I can understand the feeling because of having had children and gone through a divorce. He is my ex for a reason, but a part of him, a part of his energy, will always be with me, because we shared children together. That puts me in a unique position since he will never have any other children with any other woman.

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

benni said:

Anyone see "pot calling the kettle black". She's doing the same thing she's accusing the others of. It's fine for her to think and feel that Prince's spirit is with her, but she made it sound as if she was the only one, like she's THE widow. The only solid fact is that Prince was not married to her or anyone on the day of his passing, therefore no widows exist.

I don't read it as her saying she is a widow, only that she shared something with him that no other woman in the world can claim and because of that her experience is unique to these other women. And it is. No other woman can make the claim to have carried a part of Prince within her womb. As such, she saw a part of Prince that no one else ever did. I mean, can you imagine that? Imagine at all how unique of a position this woman is in? I can understand the feeling because of having had children and gone through a divorce. He is my ex for a reason, but a part of him, a part of his energy, will always be with me, because we shared children together. That puts me in a unique position since he will never have any other children with any other woman.

[/quote They are people like everyone else that had a relationship that ended a long time ago, if he is hers as she said, why did he never come back for her or even have a friendship with her, because he moved on. whatever she think was not shared by him as evidence by his never ever speaking to her again. In regards to child bearing, it is a very common everyday thing that does not bond people together for life,as evidenced by your, mine, maytes and millions of other people who have kids, and get divorced and and move on everyday.

Yes, they are people like everyone else, but unlike everyone else, one of those involved in that relationship was Prince. That definitely puts her in a unique position. Yes, the relationship ended long ago, for you, for me, for Mayte, but we still share that connection through our children. My ex is my ex, but my children are evidence of what we shared together and a part of my ex and myself continue on through my children. For Mayte, her child didn't survive, but that does not take away from that experience. (I also had a stillborn daughter, and losing a child is something you never get over.) For myself, I try to keep in mind just how young Mayte was when she met Prince. A part of her development as a woman evolved because of Prince. He helped to shape who she would become as a woman. That has to have an impact upon her.

benni said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

benni said:

Yes, they are people like everyone else, but unlike everyone else, one of those involved in that relationship was Prince. That definitely puts her in a unique position. Yes, the relationship ended long ago, for you, for me, for Mayte, but we still share that connection through our children. My ex is my ex, but my children are evidence of what we shared together and a part of my ex and myself continue on through my children. For Mayte, her child didn't survive, but that does not take away from that experience. (I also had a stillborn daughter, and losing a child is something you never get over.) For myself, I try to keep in mind just how young Mayte was when she met Prince. A part of her development as a woman evolved because of Prince. He helped to shape who she would become as a woman. That has to have an impact upon her.

I used to be really on her side because of her age, but she is not a child now, and in her book she repeatedly points out that she was not your average 16 year old, which is why she was allowed by her parents to take the path she did. But it is just simply not how it played out for her to say he is hers. Obviously they will always have a connection, as we have connections to our x's, but the love story ended for him and by osmosis for her

I wasn't a typical teenager either, emancipated legally by the age of 17.5. However, that does not take away from the fact that emotionally, mentally, that I was still a teenager with all of the angst and pain and problems of all teenagers. I was considered to be "older than her years" but inside, I was still a scared little girl. I would survive if they put me on the streets, and that's what the court heard from the group home I was living in, but it in no way took away from the fact that developmentally, I was still a teenager. It just meant that I knew how to survive. So, yes, she wasn't your average 16 year old, she had drive and passion for her art, but she was still very naive in a lot of ways and Prince helped to shape that naivety and the woman she would become.

benni said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

benni said:

I wasn't a typical teenager either, emancipated legally by the age of 17.5. However, that does not take away from the fact that emotionally, mentally, that I was still a teenager with all of the angst and pain and problems of all teenagers. I was considered to be "older than her years" but inside, I was still a scared little girl. I would survive if they put me on the streets, and that's what the court heard from the group home I was living in, but it in no way took away from the fact that developmentally, I was still a teenager. It just meant that I knew how to survive. So, yes, she wasn't your average 16 year old, she had drive and passion for her art, but she was still very naive in a lot of ways and Prince helped to shape that naivety and the woman she would become.

I was actually being a little bitchy when I said she was not your typical 16 year old because she said it about herself over and over in her book. I am sorry for your shitty start, I had one too. But in general it was her parents fault for letting it all happen in the first place at that age, that was a big mistake on their part in my opinion. They seemed immersed in her life and career until they basically let prince take her. Her dad was her "wingman" and then when the super star calls they answered with a big see ya later to their daughter. A grown adult women would be hard pressed to keep her crap together under those circumstances. But that does not change the fact that it was a chapter in her life that was closed weather she liked it or not.

I agree. Her parents should have provided more supervision and really paid attention to the decisions they were making regarding their daughter. But why is that a reason to take it out on Mayte? Many of us know what it is to have sh*tty parenting in our lives, we've been there and done that, but what truly matters is what we do with our lives after that. Yes, Prince left and that part of her life is over with, but would you ever truly get over Prince if he you had been involved with him, married to him, had a child by him? I just think he would be one man that would be very hard to get over and let go of. He was Prince afterall.

benni said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

benni said:

I agree. Her parents should have provided more supervision and really paid attention to the decisions they were making regarding their daughter. But why is that a reason to take it out on Mayte? Many of us know what it is to have sh*tty parenting in our lives, we've been there and done that, but what truly matters is what we do with our lives after that. Yes, Prince left and that part of her life is over with, but would you ever truly get over Prince if he you had been involved with him, married to him, had a child by him? I just think he would be one man that would be very hard to get over and let go of. He was Prince afterall.

But that's the thing, weather it is hard or not, if he is not a part of your life you have to move on, if you don't the only person you are hurting is yourself, and no matter how much she tries to make herself his person, she has not been for 20 years. She talks a lot about their child like it is a notch she has that the others don't, and just because prince was done with mayte does not mean he ever stopped loving his child. To me she is trying to put herself in a position that is not hers, that's all. Only talking about it because she wrote a book about it.

I understand that you are talking about it because she wrote a book about it. But I have to tell you, I never got over my first love. Of course, I've moved on with life, married, had children, divorced, blah blah blah. The same thing many women have done before me and will do after me. But she talks about her child because she's never talked about her son as openly and publically as she is doing now, out of respect to Prince while he was here. She can finally talk about her son and that has to be like, wow. To be able to finally mention his real name publically, so that the world now knows that their son's name was not "Boy Gregory" but was actually Amiir. I had a still born daughter, Breanna Marie, and I cannot even imagine how it would feel to hold back for all those years talking about her because I wanted to respect my ex's feelings on it.

As for moving on, I think she has for the most part. She has adopted a child, she has a career, she is doing herself. But as much as the loss of Prince came to all of us, his fans (who only knew him from his music and concerts and what we read about him) and our need to come together to remember him, talk about him, remember our own times experiencing him in concert or hearing certain songs for the first time - imagine how it must feel to those that were around him, that experienced him in some of his most intimate or vulnerable moments. Here is someone who lived with him, loved with him, had a child with him, and his ... that moment came as such a shock to her too, so that it probably brought that time back to front of her mind - brought back all those moments they shared together. I remember when I found Love4OneAnother the first time, how it felt to read his words, and to enter that chatroom and meet people of like minds. But she remembers what it was to kiss him, to hold him, to be loved by him. My feelings have been all over the place in the last year. I can only imagine that it has been even more so for her.

benni said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

benni said:

purplegirl00 said:

Anyone see "pot calling the kettle black". She's doing the same thing she's accusing the others of. It's fine for her to think and feel that Prince's spirit is with her, but she made it sound as if she was the only one, like she's THE widow. The only solid fact is that Prince was not married to her or anyone on the day of his passing, therefore no widows exist.

I don't read it as her saying she is a widow, only that she shared something with him that no other woman in the world can claim and because of that her experience is unique to these other women. And it is. No other woman can make the claim to have carried a part of Prince within her womb. As such, she saw a part of Prince that no one else ever did. I mean, can you imagine that? Imagine at all how unique of a position this woman is in? I can understand the feeling because of having had children and gone through a divorce. He is my ex for a reason, but a part of him, a part of his energy, will always be with me, because we shared children together. That puts me in a unique position since he will never have any other children with any other woman.

Her comment about Prince being with her, seemed to be imply more importance and significance than the other women and that they were tripping over themselves "widowing". Mani was Prince's last ex-wife, it's insulting and disrespectful for Mayte to elevate herself. Prince was finished with her and desired to have an annulment. Whether or not he was successful meeting the requirements for it, is up for debate, but nonetheless, he was moving on. The fact that they had a child together, who sadly passed away, did not make her more important than all the others. It's been rumored that Troy Beyer was pregnant with Prince's baby and even Mani during their marriage was said to have been also. Who knows maybe there were others? While carrying the child of the man you love in your womb, is special (I've done it twice myself), it doesn't mean you'll always be important his life when or if the relationship is over. If the baby was lost to still birth, miscarriage, or abortion, there isn't really left anything left bonding you both (if the relationship is over and no other live children exist).

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purplegirl00 said:

BillieBalloon said:

MMJas said: Prince didn't leave a widow, not a single one of them can claim that title. Prince's only complete next of kin is Tyka.

Anyone see "pot calling the kettle black". She's doing the same thing she's accusing the others of. It's fine for her to think and feel that Prince's spirit is with her, but she made it sound as if she was the only one, like she's THE widow. The only solid fact is that Prince was not married to her or anyone on the day of his passing, therefore no widows exist.

Absolutely NO widows.

They all can hush on him being with them "in spirit".

MMJas said:

Nice read. And I agree with her sentiment about the other women acting like widows. I mean, you might dislike Mayte, but there are very solid facts connecting them both and that's not something easily forgotten.

I think he had a line for his women. There were legit things to connect him to all of them and clearly by the long line of wannabe widows they have not forgotten

BillieBalloon said:

MMJas said:

Nice read. And I agree with her sentiment about the other women acting like widows. I mean, you might dislike Mayte, but there are very solid facts connecting them both and that's not something easily forgotten.

Prince didn't leave a widow, not a single one of them can claim that title. Prince's only complete next of kin is Tyka.

No, he didn't. But they sure are acting like it. Most of them.

benni said:

purplegirl00 said:

Anyone see "pot calling the kettle black". She's doing the same thing she's accusing the others of. It's fine for her to think and feel that Prince's spirit is with her, but she made it sound as if she was the only one, like she's THE widow. The only solid fact is that Prince was not married to her or anyone on the day of his passing, therefore no widows exist.

I don't read it as her saying she is a widow, only that she shared something with him that no other woman in the world can claim and because of that her experience is unique to these other women. And it is. No other woman can make the claim to have carried a part of Prince within her womb. As such, she saw a part of Prince that no one else ever did. I mean, can you imagine that? Imagine at all how unique of a position this woman is in? I can understand the feeling because of having had children and gone through a divorce. He is my ex for a reason, but a part of him, a part of his energy, will always be with me, because we shared children together. That puts me in a unique position since he will never have any other children with any other woman.

Exactly.

purplegirl00 said:

benni said:

I don't read it as her saying she is a widow, only that she shared something with him that no other woman in the world can claim and because of that her experience is unique to these other women. And it is. No other woman can make the claim to have carried a part of Prince within her womb. As such, she saw a part of Prince that no one else ever did. I mean, can you imagine that? Imagine at all how unique of a position this woman is in? I can understand the feeling because of having had children and gone through a divorce. He is my ex for a reason, but a part of him, a part of his energy, will always be with me, because we shared children together. That puts me in a unique position since he will never have any other children with any other woman.

Her comment about Prince being with her, seemed to be imply more importance and significance than the other women and that they were tripping over themselves "widowing". Mani was Prince's last ex-wife, it's insulting and disrespectful for Mayte to elevate herself. Prince was finished with her and desired to have an annulment. Whether or not he was successful meeting the requirements for it, is up for debate, but nonetheless, he was moving on. The fact that they had a child together, who sadly passed away, did not make her more important than all the others. It's been rumored that Troy Beyer was pregnant with Prince's baby and even Mani during their marriage was said to have been also. Who knows maybe there were others? While carrying the child of the man you love in your womb, is special (I've done it twice myself), it doesn't mean you'll always be important his life when or if the relationship is over. If the baby was lost to still birth, miscarriage, or abortion, there isn't really left anything left bonding you both (if the relationship is over and no other live children exist).

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Wow. I cannot believe we live in a society where the covenant of marriage is so meaningless today that we qualify even the most dastardly, unethical behaviors of a person because they are famous or talented. That bolded statement sounds as if as Garcia were an old piece of mock duck on a plate to be shuffled into the garbage disposal. Good grief.

Ottensen said:

purplegirl00 said:

Her comment about Prince being with her, seemed to be imply more importance and significance than the other women and that they were tripping over themselves "widowing". Mani was Prince's last ex-wife, it's insulting and disrespectful for Mayte to elevate herself. Prince was finished with her and desired to have an annulment. Whether or not he was successful meeting the requirements for it, is up for debate, but nonetheless, he was moving on. The fact that they had a child together, who sadly passed away, did not make her more important than all the others. It's been rumored that Troy Beyer was pregnant with Prince's baby and even Mani during their marriage was said to have been also. Who knows maybe there were others? While carrying the child of the man you love in your womb, is special (I've done it twice myself), it doesn't mean you'll always be important his life when or if the relationship is over. If the baby was lost to still birth, miscarriage, or abortion, there isn't really left anything left bonding you both (if the relationship is over and no other live children exist).

[Edited 4/9/17 15:52pm]

Wow. I cannot believe we live in a society where the covenant of marriage is so meaningless today that we qualify even the most dastardly, unethical behaviors of a person because they are famous or talented. That bolded statement sounds as if as Garcia were an old piece of mock duck on a plate to be shuffled into the garbage disposal. Good grief.

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DD55 said:

DD55 said:

Ottensen said:

purplegirl00 said:

Her comment about Prince being with her, seemed to be imply more importance and significance than the other women and that they were tripping over themselves "widowing". Mani was Prince's last ex-wife, it's insulting and disrespectful for Mayte to elevate herself. Prince was finished with her and desired to have an annulment. Whether or not he was successful meeting the requirements for it, is up for debate, but nonetheless, he was moving on. The fact that they had a child together, who sadly passed away, did not make her more important than all the others. It's been rumored that Troy Beyer was pregnant with Prince's baby and even Mani during their marriage was said to have been also. Who knows maybe there were others? While carrying the child of the man you love in your womb, is special (I've done it twice myself), it doesn't mean you'll always be important his life when or if the relationship is over. If the baby was lost to still birth, miscarriage, or abortion, there isn't really left anything left bonding you both (if the relationship is over and no other live children exist).

[Edited 4/9/17 15:52pm]

Wow. I cannot believe we live in a society where the covenant of marriage is so meaningless today that we qualify even the most dastardly, unethical behaviors of a person because they are famous or talented. That bolded statement sounds as if as Garcia were an old piece of mock duck on a plate to be shuffled into the garbage disposal. Good grief.

Marriage is sacred and I agree that society has turned it into a joke, but that's a different conversation, for a different time. I was not qualifying Prince's behavior. I was just stating that he was finished, through, done with the marriage and was moving on. He was moving on because whatever he had with Mayte was over. He was done with Mayte. If my husband was divorcing me, he would be DONE with me too. So it is what it is. It sounds harsh, but it's reality.

DD55 said:

Ottensen said:

Wow. I cannot believe we live in a society where the covenant of marriage is so meaningless today that we qualify even the most dastardly, unethical behaviors of a person because they are famous or talented. That bolded statement sounds as if as Garcia were an old piece of mock duck on a plate to be shuffled into the garbage disposal. Good grief.

People are confusing what they believe are facts compared to her feelings. She is experssing her feelings and her emotions. Yes, technically there are no widows, but that doesn’t invalidate her FEELINGS.

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Nowhere have I invalidated her feelings, she can have them. It was one thing to "feel" Prince's spirit with her but that's not what she said. She said all the other woman can act like widows but Prince was WITH her. Yea, he was WITH her like 17-20 years ago! C'mon.