206Michelle said:

Mayte mentions the house in Minnesota where she and lived numerous times in the book. As Mayte describes in the book, this is the house that he had redecorated prior to their wedding in preparation for their new married life. I am wondering where this house was located. Was it located on the grounds of Paisley Park or was it located elsewhere? My understanding is that after he divorced Manuela, Prince had someone demolish the house.

She doesn't give the address, but it sounds like the Galpin Blvd house because of the time period and she mentions that his father was already living in the "purple house" (Kiowa Trail), no?

JudasLChrist said:

BklynDiamond said:

If she did not witness this with her own eyes but this is what someone told her, it is heresay and inadmisable in court and indeed rumor.

A: This isn't court. Mayte is not on trial.

B: It actually wouldn't be inadmissable in court, unless someone was challenging her. In this case, no one is challenging her. The family respects and loves her, and none of the staff are making any noise about it. The only people that are suspicious are the supposed 'fans' online who have problems with the women in Prince's life, and they have no case at all.

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I have no problem with the women in Prince's life, I have a problem when there are accusations made against people who are not in a position to defend or clarify themselves.

PennyPurple said:

kmama07 said:

PennyPurple said:

We aren't in a court of law and Mayte isn't on trial.

Exactly! Thank you. This is getting exhausting. Thanks (again) for the newest book thread. I'm moving on over there...

C'mon over.

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This thread has kinda went to hell in a handbasket. Glad we got done with Maytes book.

Purplestar88 said:

JudasLChrist said:

No. You step off. The amount of venom directed at women in Prince's life, particularly women he was close to, on The Org is outlandish, and inappropriate. It is misogyny. Period. It's toxic and there's no legitimate reason for it at all.

Take your own advice. You have an issue and you need to stop. She was on a reality show where other women criticized her for her behavoir and statements, are they misogynists too? You are using words that you have no idea what they mean just to sound smart and shut people down. Guess what? It's not working. Name calling will not change peoples views. You called people names and now you want to back track now with excuses that don't make any sense. You are big name caller but want to argue about how people are picking on Mayte and other female associates with your incorrect buzz word uses. No one is going shame me because I question what I read or hear. Again,"step off".

I haven't called anyone names. I have called people out for being hypercritical of women in Prince's life. This phenomemnon has gone into overdrive since Prince's if death. I have kept my own mouth shut for a year about this, but it this point I'm fairly exasperated about it, and apparently others are as well. So, no I will not step off, and I will continue to call your asses out If I see fit.

Hopefully some of you will get it at some point.

Misslink88 said:

JudasLChrist said:

Misslink88 said: I didn't call you names, and you don't have any legitimate points cause you have no knowledge or authority to make claims about what went down. All you have is the desire to attack a woman you don't know. So, step off.

Another LEGITIMATE POINT: What she wrote in her book: P was her guardian for 6 months before she turned 18 so she could work on projects and performances at all hours in LA and MN. Thereafter, after her father signed the document, she writes that she was flown to LA to work on a Diamonds and Pearls video and was greeted at the airport as "Martha George" because if "they" (the Union) found out she was only seventeen and working on it, she couldn't do it. So, did P have guardianship or not? I'll wait.......

Good point. I just went back to read this part. If Prince had legal guardianship already, why would this have been an issue? Perhaps the union paperwork hadn't cleared yet?

BklynDiamond said:

JudasLChrist said:

A: This isn't court. Mayte is not on trial.

B: It actually wouldn't be inadmissable in court, unless someone was challenging her. In this case, no one is challenging her. The family respects and loves her, and none of the staff are making any noise about it. The only people that are suspicious are the supposed 'fans' online who have problems with the women in Prince's life, and they have no case at all.

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I have no problem with the women in Prince's life, I have a problem when there are accusations made against people who are not in a position to defend or clarify themselves.

I like Mayte. Overall, I love The Most Beautiful and I’m glad she wrote this book. She was an important part of Prince's life professionally and personally. He wrote a lot of songs about her. He loved her deeply and she loved him deeply. She was the mother of his only child. I’m glad that she shared about their son Amiir, and made very clear to the world how much she and loved their son. However, the more that I think about it, the more that I have a problem with what Mayte shared about the “troubling incident” regarding the alleged burning of items that reminded Prince of Mayte and Amiir, including the urn of Amiir’s ashes.

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I don't generally engage in character assassination of people. I generally reserve character assassination for people who do things like killing, raping, and abusing children. Otherwise, I try to abide by the adage of "condemn the action, not the person." We are all human. We all have flaws and make mistakes. So, I am not going to assassinate Mayte’s character as others are doing on this thread and elsewhere on prince.org, but I am going to criticize aspects of her behavior and writing that I think are in need of criticism.

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In my opinion, the most potentially damning detail that Mayte writes about Prince in The Most Beautiful is the “troubling incident” regarding the supposed burning of items that reminded Prince of Mayte and Amiir, including the urn of Amiir’s ashes. The more I think about it, the more I have a problem with what Mayte shared about this “troubling incident” on pp. 263-264 for three reasons. First, the “troubling incident” is heresay. Second, she writes about the “troubling incident” in the passive voice, creating a lack of clarity for the reader. Third, she shares very little about what she did to address Amiir’s missing ashes.

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To address my first point, the details about the “troubling incident” are almost entirely heresay. Heresay is a problem because she did not witness what happened. She heard about what happened. She doesn’t name the “compassionate friend” who told her about what allegedly happened during the “troubling incident.” As a result, there is no way for anyone to independently verify the details about the “troubling incident.” I don't like that she shares about the burning of items that reminded Prince of Mayte and Amiir because this is heresay, but it doesn't bother me as much as the heresay about the ashes because the items reminding Prince of Mayte and Amir are property. However, since she wasn’t there to witness the alleged burning, I think it would have been better to omit the details of the “troubling incident.” Regarding the ashes, those are human remains. Destroying human remains is a very serious matter, in my opinion. Destroying the remains of one's deceased child is a very serious matter because those are the human remains of your child.

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If Prince did indeed have his assitant burn the urn of Amiir’s ashes, this is an act that would cause me to feel differently about Prince. Would I still be a fan of Prince’s music? Yes, I would be. Would I still be a fan of him as a person? It’s harder to say, but I doubt that I could celebrate him as I currently do if I knew for sure that he had someone destroy Amiir's ashes. I can take Mayte at her word about most of what she writes in the book. However, regarding the whereabouts of the ashes, what she says is heresay, and heresay is not strong enough evidence for me to believe the very serious allegation that Prince had someone burn/destroy the ashes of Amiir, his only beloved child.

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Second, Mayte writes about the “troubling incident” in the passive voice. For the record, I am not a fan of the use of the passive voice. In my own writing, I try to avoid the use of the passive voice because the passive voice often leads to a lack of clarity. I try to use the passive voice only if the use of the active voice is clearly inappropriate. For example, I think it is appropriate to use the passive voice when talking about the weather. Weather is a complex phenomenon and there often isn’t a clear agent causing the weather. Therefore, I see no problem with using the passive voice and saying “it snowed.” Using the active voice and saying, “the sky released snow” or “the atmosphere created snow” just sounds silly. That being said, Mayte’s use of the passive voice regarding the “troubling incident” leads to a lack of clarity and a lack of certainty for the reader. In other words, by writing in the passive voice, she does not own what she is writing about the “troubling incident.”

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On p. 264, Mayte writes that “Prince's assistant was upset that he had been asked to burn everything in the house that reminded him of me or the baby” (the underlining and italics are mine). In this sentence, the use of the passive voice creates a lack of clarity by omitting the agent who is responsible for the burning. Given the context of the sentence, the reader can infer that Prince asked his assitant to burn the items; in other words, Prince is the agent. This “troubling incident” is an important detail that has consequences for how the reader perceives Prince, Mayte, and the assistant. The details of the "troubling incident" matter in the "court of public opinion." The "troubling incident" can lead a reader who is knowledgeable about Prince to speculate about whom the assistant is. However, in my opinon, the reader should not have to make this inference about agency, that is, who was responsible for the burning. Rather, Mayte, as the author, needs to be clear and certain about what happened. Unfortunately, her use of the passive voice leaves the reader unclear and uncertain about the details of the "troubling incident." Burning/destroying human remains is a serious matter, and in my opinion, it is not appropriate for Mayte, or any author, to use the passive voice when describing such a serious incident because using the passive voice leads the reader to be unclear and uncertain what happened. This is not a court of law. This is a memoir. She chose to share certain details in the book. When sharing important and consequential details like the “troubling incident,” I believe that she either needs to be clear and certain about what happened or omit the details entirely because details like the "troubling incident" can cause readers to accuse or convict individuals in the "court of public opinion."

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As a knowledgeable Prince fan, Mayte's description of the "troubling incident" in addition to my background knowledge about Prince's long-time associates have led me to infer that the male assistant is Kirk Johnson. This is a specific example of what I mean by accusing or convicting someone in the "court of public opinion." I have no idea if the assistant in question was Kirk, but it's not fair to Kirk to have a bunch of Prince fans like myself thinking that he might have destroyed Amiir's ashes and everything that reminded Prince of Mayte and Amiir.

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Furthermore, when she says "that reminded him," it is unclear to whom the pronoun him refers. Does him refer to Prince or Prince’s assistant? Given the context of the sentence, I can infer that him refers to Prince. But again, this is an important detail that has consequences as to how the reader perceives Prince, Mayte, and the assistant. Therefore, the reader should not have to make this inference about to whom the pronoun refers.

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The way in which Mayte writes this sentence about the “troubling incident,” with the passive voice and the lack of clarity regarding to whom the pronoun him refers, Mayte conveys a lack of clarity and lack of certainty. This is a strong accusation to make that Prince had someone burn Amiir’s ashes. She needs to own the accusation. The way I see it, she is obscuring the role of the Prince in this situation. Why? If she wanted to obscure Prince’s role in the situation, don’t share the situation in the first place. If Mayte believes that Prince ordered his assistant to burn everything that reminded Prince of Mayte and Amiir, she should have come out and said it assertively, such as like this: “Prince's assistant was upset because Prince had asked the assistant to burn everything in the house that reminded Prince of Mayte and Amiir." If Mayte wanted to make it clear the sex of the assistant, she could have written "Prince's male assistant was upset about Prince asking him to burn everything in the house that reminded Prince of Mayte and Amiir" or "One of Prince's male assistants was upset that Prince asked him to burn everything in the house that reminded Prince of Mayte and Amiir."

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Third, Mayte provides very little detail about what she did in order to find out about the whereabouts of Amiir’s ashes. On p. 263 she writes that she kept "asking and badgering and getting no answer," but she doesn't state whom she asked and whom was refusing to answer. I wonder why she is so evasive here. I wish that she had been more specific about whom she asked and whom refused to answer. If she asked Prince directly about the ashes and he refused to answer, then she should have written that, perhaps something like this: “I asked Prince about the whereabouts of Amiir’s ashes numerous times, and he refused to give me an answer.”

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That being said, if Prince refused to tell her what happened to the ashes, why didn’t she do more to address this situation. Maybe she did do more, but she doesn’t share that with us. However, given the seriousness of the information that she shares regarding the “troubling incident,” she opens that Pandora’s box, and needs to share more. The fact that she does not share more about what she did to find out about Amiir’s ashes makes me question the veracity of her claim on p. 263 that “only one small think truly mattered to me: Amiir’s ashes.” In particular, I want to know, Did she pursue the ashes as a part of the divorce settlement? I am no expert in divorce law. However, as Amiir's mother, I would think that Mayte had a right to assert herself regarding the whereabouts of as well as what would happen regarding Amiir's ashes. Did she make any kind of request to have a judge look into this issue? On pp. 261-262, she writes that she knew she and ’s marriage was ending, and that she lost the will to fight it. She mentions having terrible depression. I understand that this was a terribly sad situation for her and her whole world was crashing down on her. And for the record, I think that is to blame for a lot of the demise of their marriage because he was a married man and never should have been so friendly with Mani. He should not have made the sleezy “Greatest Romance Ever Sold” video. But if she cared so much about Amiir’s ashes, why didn’t she do more to find out what happened to them?

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After Amiir died, the urn of his ashes were on a shelf. Were the ashes still on that shelf when she and divorced? Before she moved to Spain, where did she and keep the ashes? If Amiir’s ashes mattered so much to Mayte, did she exhaust all avenues in order to find out what happened to them? Readers don’t know. If she exhausted all avenues in order to located the ashes, I would have expected her to share this information in the book given the seriousness of the details that she describes in the “troubling incident.” The omission of the information about what she did to find out what happened to Amiir’s ashes leads me to infer that she did not exhaust all avenues. In my opinion, given the seriousness of the issue that was the whereabouts of her son’s remains, Mayte should have been clear and certain about what she did to find out about the whereabouts of Amiir’s remains instead of allowing room for readers to make inferences about what she did or did not do. She said that she accepted the "crap offer" for the house in Spain and all of its contents because she just wanted to move on. However, it troubles me that she didn't fight harder to find out what happened to the remains of her son. As Amiir’s mother, she could have and SHOULD HAVE made the whereabouts of his remains an issue in the divorce proceedings and/or settlement.

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For all of the reasons I have just described, namely the heresay, use of the passive voice, and the lack of detail about what Mayte find out about the whereabouts of Amiir’s ashes, I have come to the conclusion that I do not have enough information to conclude that Prince had someone destroy Amiir’s ashes. All I can conclude is that at this time, I do not know what happened to Amiir's ashes. I just wish she had not mentioned the “troubling incident” at all in the book because the way in which Mayte writes about the “troubling incident” is evasive and confusing.

Misslink88 said:

JudasLChrist said:

Misslink88 said: I didn't call you names, and you don't have any legitimate points cause you have no knowledge or authority to make claims about what went down. All you have is the desire to attack a woman you don't know. So, step off.

Another LEGITIMATE POINT: What she wrote in her book: P was her guardian for 6 months before she turned 18 so she could work on projects and performances at all hours in LA and MN. Thereafter, after her father signed the document, she writes that she was flown to LA to work on a Diamonds and Pearls video and was greeted at the airport as "Martha George" because if "they" (the Union) found out she was only seventeen and working on it, she couldn't do it. So, did P have guardianship or not? I'll wait.......

I always wondered who is that chick with the Unsexy name

thats got Prince all Insatiable and stuff

LBrent said:

206Michelle said:

Mayte mentions the house in Minnesota where she and lived numerous times in the book. As Mayte describes in the book, this is the house that he had redecorated prior to their wedding in preparation for their new married life. I am wondering where this house was located. Was it located on the grounds of Paisley Park or was it located elsewhere? My understanding is that after he divorced Manuela, Prince had someone demolish the house.

She doesn't give the address, but it sounds like the Galpin Blvd house because of the time period and she mentions that his father was already living in the "purple house" (Kiowa Trail), no?

Where is the Galpin Blvd house in relation to Paisley Park Studios (7801 Audubon Road)?

Lovejunky said:

Misslink88 said:

Another LEGITIMATE POINT: What she wrote in her book: P was her guardian for 6 months before she turned 18 so she could work on projects and performances at all hours in LA and MN. Thereafter, after her father signed the document, she writes that she was flown to LA to work on a Diamonds and Pearls video and was greeted at the airport as "Martha George" because if "they" (the Union) found out she was only seventeen and working on it, she couldn't do it. So, did P have guardianship or not? I'll wait.......

I always wondered who is that chick with the Unsexy name

thats got Prince all Insatiable and stuff

Lovejunky, I saw the connection too with the name Martha George and "Insatiable." I am wondering if that was a coincidence that she received the pseudonym Martha George and the song "Insatiable" mentions Martha. I mean, if "Insatiable" is about Mayte, who was under age 18 at the time he wrote "Insatiable," then perhaps "Insatiable" would be an example of an "occasional impure thought" that "crossed his mind" (p. 86)? Who knows? The man was an enigma. All I can say, is "Insatiable" is a top 10 Prince song for me and he is absolutely scrumptious in that video.

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JudasLChrist said:

Purplestar88 said:

Take your own advice. You have an issue and you need to stop. She was on a reality show where other women criticized her for her behavoir and statements, are they misogynists too? You are using words that you have no idea what they mean just to sound smart and shut people down. Guess what? It's not working. Name calling will not change peoples views. You called people names and now you want to back track now with excuses that don't make any sense. You are big name caller but want to argue about how people are picking on Mayte and other female associates with your incorrect buzz word uses. No one is going shame me because I question what I read or hear. Again,"step off".

I haven't called anyone names. I have called people out for being hypercritical of women in Prince's life. This phenomemnon has gone into overdrive since Prince's if death. I have kept my own mouth shut for a year about this, but it this point I'm fairly exasperated about it, and apparently others are as well. So, no I will not step off, and I will continue to call your asses out If I see fit.

Hopefully some of you will get it at some point.

You called people names and now you want to deny it. Which is pointness and spineless. Own up to the crap you did. You can twist it all you want but you have been exposed for the hypocrite you are. You can't complain that people are hypercritical of the female associates but you are quick to call female orgers names because they don't see things the way you do. It is clear you don't have a clue about what you are talking about. You think you are defending the female associates but you are really not doing so. Stay "exasperated". You cause that on yourself. You can call my ass out all day and night but my views stands. I can question as a see fit anybody, female or male about the statement I read or hear. You are quick to tell someone to step off but you don't want to take your own advice.

206Michelle said:

BklynDiamond said:

I have no problem with the women in Prince's life, I have a problem when there are accusations made against people who are not in a position to defend or clarify themselves.

I like Mayte. Overall, I love The Most Beautiful and I’m glad she wrote this book. She was an important part of Prince's life professionally and personally. He wrote a lot of songs about her. He loved her deeply and she loved him deeply. She was the mother of his only child. I’m glad that she shared about their son Amiir, and made very clear to the world how much she and loved their son. However, the more that I think about it, the more that I have a problem with what Mayte shared about the “troubling incident” regarding the alleged burning of items that reminded Prince of Mayte and Amiir, including the urn of Amiir’s ashes.

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I don't generally engage in character assassination of people. I generally reserve character assassination for people who do things like killing, raping, and abusing children. Otherwise, I try to abide by the adage of "condemn the action, not the person." We are all human. We all have flaws and make mistakes. So, I am not going to assassinate Mayte’s character as others are doing on this thread and elsewhere on prince.org, but I am going to criticize aspects of her behavior and writing that I think are in need of criticism.

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In my opinion, the most potentially damning detail that Mayte writes about Prince in The Most Beautiful is the “troubling incident” regarding the supposed burning of items that reminded Prince of Mayte and Amiir, including the urn of Amiir’s ashes. The more I think about it, the more I have a problem with what Mayte shared about this “troubling incident” on pp. 263-264 for three reasons. First, the “troubling incident” is heresay. Second, she writes about the “troubling incident” in the passive voice, creating a lack of clarity for the reader. Third, she shares very little about what she did to address Amiir’s missing ashes.

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To address my first point, the details about the “troubling incident” are almost entirely heresay. Heresay is a problem because she did not witness what happened. She heard about what happened. She doesn’t name the “compassionate friend” who told her about what allegedly happened during the “troubling incident.” As a result, there is no way for anyone to independently verify the details about the “troubling incident.” I don't like that she shares about the burning of items that reminded Prince of Mayte and Amiir because this is heresay, but it doesn't bother me as much as the heresay about the ashes because the items reminding Prince of Mayte and Amir are property. However, since she wasn’t there to witness the alleged burning, I think it would have been better to omit the details of the “troubling incident.” Regarding the ashes, those are human remains. Destroying human remains is a very serious matter, in my opinion. Destroying the remains of one's deceased child is a very serious matter because those are the human remains of your child.

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If Prince did indeed have his assitant burn the urn of Amiir’s ashes, this is an act that would cause me to feel differently about Prince. Would I still be a fan of Prince’s music? Yes, I would be. Would I still be a fan of him as a person? It’s harder to say, but I doubt that I could celebrate him as I currently do if I knew for sure that he had someone destroy Amiir's ashes. I can take Mayte at her word about most of what she writes in the book. However, regarding the whereabouts of the ashes, what she says is heresay, and heresay is not strong enough evidence for me to believe the very serious allegation that Prince had someone burn/destroy the ashes of Amiir, his only beloved child.

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Second, Mayte writes about the “troubling incident” in the passive voice. For the record, I am not a fan of the use of the passive voice. In my own writing, I try to avoid the use of the passive voice because the passive voice often leads to a lack of clarity. I try to use the passive voice only if the use of the active voice is clearly inappropriate. For example, I think it is appropriate to use the passive voice when talking about the weather. Weather is a complex phenomenon and there often isn’t a clear agent causing the weather. Therefore, I see no problem with using the passive voice and saying “it snowed.” Using the active voice and saying, “the sky released snow” or “the atmosphere created snow” just sounds silly. That being said, Mayte’s use of the passive voice regarding the “troubling incident” leads to a lack of clarity and a lack of certainty for the reader. In other words, by writing in the passive voice, she does not own what she is writing about the “troubling incident.”

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On p. 264, Mayte writes that “Prince's assistant was upset that he had been asked to burn everything in the house that reminded him of me or the baby” (the underlining and italics are mine). In this sentence, the use of the passive voice creates a lack of clarity by omitting the agent who is responsible for the burning. Given the context of the sentence, the reader can infer that Prince asked his assitant to burn the items; in other words, Prince is the agent. This “troubling incident” is an important detail that has consequences for how the reader perceives Prince, Mayte, and the assistant. The details of the "troubling incident" matter in the "court of public opinion." The "troubling incident" can lead a reader who is knowledgeable about Prince to speculate about whom the assistant is. However, in my opinon, the reader should not have to make this inference about agency, that is, who was responsible for the burning. Rather, Mayte, as the author, needs to be clear and certain about what happened. Unfortunately, her use of the passive voice leaves the reader unclear and uncertain about the details of the "troubling incident." Burning/destroying human remains is a serious matter, and in my opinion, it is not appropriate for Mayte, or any author, to use the passive voice when describing such a serious incident because using the passive voice leads the reader to be unclear and uncertain what happened. This is not a court of law. This is a memoir. She chose to share certain details in the book. When sharing important and consequential details like the “troubling incident,” I believe that she either needs to be clear and certain about what happened or omit the details entirely because details like the "troubling incident" can cause readers to accuse or convict individuals in the "court of public opinion."

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As a knowledgeable Prince fan, Mayte's description of the "troubling incident" in addition to my background knowledge about Prince's long-time associates have led me to infer that the male assistant is Kirk Johnson. This is a specific example of what I mean by accusing or convicting someone in the "court of public opinion." I have no idea if the assistant in question was Kirk, but it's not fair to Kirk to have a bunch of Prince fans like myself thinking that he might have destroyed Amiir's ashes and everything that reminded Prince of Mayte and Amiir.

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Furthermore, when she says "that reminded him," it is unclear to whom the pronoun him refers. Does him refer to Prince or Prince’s assistant? Given the context of the sentence, I can infer that him refers to Prince. But again, this is an important detail that has consequences as to how the reader perceives Prince, Mayte, and the assistant. Therefore, the reader should not have to make this inference about to whom the pronoun refers.

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The way in which Mayte writes this sentence about the “troubling incident,” with the passive voice and the lack of clarity regarding to whom the pronoun him refers, Mayte conveys a lack of clarity and lack of certainty. This is a strong accusation to make that Prince had someone burn Amiir’s ashes. She needs to own the accusation. The way I see it, she is obscuring the role of the Prince in this situation. Why? If she wanted to obscure Prince’s role in the situation, don’t share the situation in the first place. If Mayte believes that Prince ordered his assistant to burn everything that reminded Prince of Mayte and Amiir, she should have come out and said it assertively, such as like this: “Prince's assistant was upset because Prince had asked the assistant to burn everything in the house that reminded Prince of Mayte and Amiir." If Mayte wanted to make it clear the sex of the assistant, she could have written "Prince's male assistant was upset about Prince asking him to burn everything in the house that reminded Prince of Mayte and Amiir" or "One of Prince's male assistants was upset that Prince asked him to burn everything in the house that reminded Prince of Mayte and Amiir."

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Third, Mayte provides very little detail about what she did in order to find out about the whereabouts of Amiir’s ashes. On p. 263 she writes that she kept "asking and badgering and getting no answer," but she doesn't state whom she asked and whom was refusing to answer. I wonder why she is so evasive here. I wish that she had been more specific about whom she asked and whom refused to answer. If she asked Prince directly about the ashes and he refused to answer, then she should have written that, perhaps something like this: “I asked Prince about the whereabouts of Amiir’s ashes numerous times, and he refused to give me an answer.”

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That being said, if Prince refused to tell her what happened to the ashes, why didn’t she do more to address this situation. Maybe she did do more, but she doesn’t share that with us. However, given the seriousness of the information that she shares regarding the “troubling incident,” she opens that Pandora’s box, and needs to share more. The fact that she does not share more about what she did to find out about Amiir’s ashes makes me question the veracity of her claim on p. 263 that “only one small think truly mattered to me: Amiir’s ashes.” In particular, I want to know, Did she pursue the ashes as a part of the divorce settlement? I am no expert in divorce law. However, as Amiir's mother, I would think that Mayte had a right to assert herself regarding the whereabouts of as well as what would happen regarding Amiir's ashes. Did she make any kind of request to have a judge look into this issue? On pp. 261-262, she writes that she knew she and ’s marriage was ending, and that she lost the will to fight it. She mentions having terrible depression. I understand that this was a terribly sad situation for her and her whole world was crashing down on her. And for the record, I think that is to blame for a lot of the demise of their marriage because he was a married man and never should have been so friendly with Mani. He should not have made the sleezy “Greatest Romance Ever Sold” video. But if she cared so much about Amiir’s ashes, why didn’t she do more to find out what happened to them?

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After Amiir died, the urn of his ashes were on a shelf. Were the ashes still on that shelf when she and divorced? Before she moved to Spain, where did she and keep the ashes? If Amiir’s ashes mattered so much to Mayte, did she exhaust all avenues in order to find out what happened to them? Readers don’t know. If she exhausted all avenues in order to located the ashes, I would have expected her to share this information in the book given the seriousness of the details that she describes in the “troubling incident.” The omission of the information about what she did to find out what happened to Amiir’s ashes leads me to infer that she did not exhaust all avenues. In my opinion, given the seriousness of the issue that was the whereabouts of her son’s remains, Mayte should have been clear and certain about what she did to find out about the whereabouts of Amiir’s remains instead of allowing room for readers to make inferences about what she did or did not do. She said that she accepted the "crap offer" for the house in Spain and all of its contents because she just wanted to move on. However, it troubles me that she didn't fight harder to find out what happened to the remains of her son. As Amiir’s mother, she could have and SHOULD HAVE made the whereabouts of his remains an issue in the divorce proceedings and/or settlement.

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For all of the reasons I have just described, namely the heresay, use of the passive voice, and the lack of detail about what Mayte find out about the whereabouts of Amiir’s ashes, I have come to the conclusion that I do not have enough information to conclude that Prince had someone destroy Amiir’s ashes. All I can conclude is that at this time, I do not know what happened to Amiir's ashes. I just wish she had not mentioned the “troubling incident” at all in the book because the way in which Mayte writes about the “troubling incident” is evasive and confusing.

Well thought through thanks...

saved ME the trouble of analysing the "feelings"swirling in my gut

206Michelle said:

Lovejunky said:

I always wondered who is that chick with the Unsexy name

thats got Prince all Insatiable and stuff

Lovejunky, I saw the connection too with the name Martha George and "Insatiable." I am wondering if that was a coincidence that she received the pseudonym Martha George and the song "Insatiable" mentions Martha. I mean, if "Insatiable" is about Mayte, who was under age 18 at the time he wrote "Insatiable," then perhaps "Insatiable" would be an example of an "occasional impure thought" that "crossed his mind" (p. 86)? Who knows? The man was an enigma. All I can say, is "Insatiable" is a top 10 Prince song for me and he is absolutely scrumptious in that video.

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Cant Blame him for having impure thoughts ...she was Really something to Behold...

Im amazed that he managed to keep the relationship relatively chaste for such a long time,

and I agree,,,he is DELicious in that Video

206Michelle said:

LBrent said:

She doesn't give the address, but it sounds like the Galpin Blvd house because of the time period and she mentions that his father was already living in the "purple house" (Kiowa Trail), no?

Where is the Galpin Blvd house in relation to Paisley Park Studios (7801 Audubon Road)?

I don't live in Minnesota and have never visited there, but from what others who do live there and have visited PP and know the area have posted, it seems to be fairly close.

If I were estimating, I'd gues it's a few minutes cuz of what folks have said in the past.

Lovejunky said:

206Michelle said:

Lovejunky, I saw the connection too with the name Martha George and "Insatiable." I am wondering if that was a coincidence that she received the pseudonym Martha George and the song "Insatiable" mentions Martha. I mean, if "Insatiable" is about Mayte, who was under age 18 at the time he wrote "Insatiable," then perhaps "Insatiable" would be an example of an "occasional impure thought" that "crossed his mind" (p. 86)? Who knows? The man was an enigma. All I can say, is "Insatiable" is a top 10 Prince song for me and he is absolutely scrumptious in that video.

[Edited 4/30/17 16:17pm]

Cant Blame him for having impure thoughts ...she was Really something to Behold...

Im amazed that he managed to keep the relationship relatively chaste for such a long time,

and I agree,,,he is DELicious in that Video

When I read that Prince and Mayte knew each other for 3 years before they had sex, I was astonished. Look, I don't want to underestimate Prince and his ability to exhibit self-control, but if you listen to Prince's music, it's pretty clear that the man loved sex.

206Michelle said:

Lovejunky said:

Cant Blame him for having impure thoughts ...she was Really something to Behold...

Im amazed that he managed to keep the relationship relatively chaste for such a long time,

and I agree,,,he is DELicious in that Video

When I read that Prince and Mayte knew each other for 3 years before they had sex, I was astonished. Look, I don't want to underestimate Prince and his ability to exhibit self-control, but if you listen to Prince's music, it's pretty clear that the man loved sex.

and with all the Talk of his"contolling ways" THIS part of his personality is MOST overlooked.

That fact that he had such self control is what gave him to POWER 2 Control

He wasnt a tyrant who bullied people, Even Mayte mentioned that many times in her book...

He most often led By Example which is why Ultimately he was so "respected"

WOuld have been different if he was a lazy arsed bum who ordred people around,

but he worked harder, played harder and created MoRE than anybody

there for you d want to UP your own game when around him...

Yep...SEXY

I love nothing more than a man who is in control of Himself

206Michelle said:

Lovejunky said:

Cant Blame him for having impure thoughts ...she was Really something to Behold...

Im amazed that he managed to keep the relationship relatively chaste for such a long time,

and I agree,,,he is DELicious in that Video

When I read that Prince and Mayte knew each other for 3 years before they had sex, I was astonished. Look, I don't want to underestimate Prince and his ability to exhibit self-control, but if you listen to Prince's music, it's pretty clear that the man loved sex.

Mayte says in her book that THEY didn't have sex for 3 years...she never said HE didn't have sex for 3 years.

And apparently she either knew or suspected, but some gals are more concerned with how their relationship is progressing and not worrying about what the guy might be doing with someone else. Considering her upbringing, I'm not surprised if she knew and didn't take it seriously.

Also, I just remembered that Devin Devasquez mentions laying in bed with P and they'd be booty butt nekkid and she's tried to molesticate him, but he'd just cuddle and tell her to go to sleep.

It didn't go on 3 years, but clearly he was capable of self control when he wanted to.

I thought it was cute and also a part of his seduction.

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PennyPurple said:

moonsister said:

She lied about everything concerning their intimate lives so I guess she also lied about not having sex with Prince until she was nineteen. Yeah that's a laugh, two gorgeous people not doing what comes naturally and having a nasty romp!! You know she's lying about that, Prince would have been hittin that! She is such a liar.

How would you know?

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Mayte was wife material, and was treated as such, besides he had other ho's to do the dirty work.

By dirty work I take it you mean being intimate sexually? Why/what made the women who had sexual relationships with Prince "ho's" (sic) exactly?

LBrent said:

206Michelle said:

When I read that Prince and Mayte knew each other for 3 years before they had sex, I was astonished. Look, I don't want to underestimate Prince and his ability to exhibit self-control, but if you listen to Prince's music, it's pretty clear that the man loved sex.

Mayte says in her book that THEY didn't have sex for 3 years...she never said HE didn't have sex for 3 years.

And apparently she either knew or suspected, but some gals are more concerned with how their relationship is progressing and not worrying about what the guy might be doing with someone else. Considering her upbringing, I'm not surprised if she knew and didn't take it seriously.

Also, I just remembered that Devin Devasquez mentions laying in bed with P and they'd be booty butt nekkid and she's tried to molesticate him, but he'd just cuddle and tell her to go to sleep.

It didn't go on 3 years, but clearly he was capable of self control when he wanted to.

I thought it was cute and also a part of his seduction.

[Edited 4/30/17 18:49pm]

Anna Fantastic has a similar story....

Asenath0607 said:

PennyPurple said:

How would you know?

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Mayte was wife material, and was treated as such, besides he had other ho's to do the dirty work.

By dirty work I take it you mean being intimate sexually? Why/what made the women who had sexual relationships with Prince "ho's" (sic) exactly?

P clearly had a variation of the classic "Madonna vs Whore" complex in which he was attracted but conflicted about "women you have sex with and women you marry and have sex with".

By stating that, I'M not judging or slut-shaming. I'm simply stating the obvious from over 40 of observation as a P fan.

Lovejunky said:

LBrent said:

Mayte says in her book that THEY didn't have sex for 3 years...she never said HE didn't have sex for 3 years.

And apparently she either knew or suspected, but some gals are more concerned with how their relationship is progressing and not worrying about what the guy might be doing with someone else. Considering her upbringing, I'm not surprised if she knew and didn't take it seriously.

Also, I just remembered that Devin Devasquez mentions laying in bed with P and they'd be booty butt nekkid and she's tried to molesticate him, but he'd just cuddle and tell her to go to sleep.

It didn't go on 3 years, but clearly he was capable of self control when he wanted to.

I thought it was cute and also a part of his seduction.

[Edited 4/30/17 18:49pm]

Anna Fantastic has a similar story....

Aw, I'd never heard her story.

I think it's very endearing to think of P innocently cuddling booty butt nekkid, but not having sex.

LBrent said:

Lovejunky said:

Anna Fantastic has a similar story....

Aw, I'd never heard her story.

I think it's very endearing to think of P innocently cuddling booty butt nekkid, but not having sex.

SLightly OFF topic but not really....

LBrent said:

206Michelle said:

When I read that Prince and Mayte knew each other for 3 years before they had sex, I was astonished. Look, I don't want to underestimate Prince and his ability to exhibit self-control, but if you listen to Prince's music, it's pretty clear that the man loved sex.

Mayte says in her book that THEY didn't have sex for 3 years...she never said HE didn't have sex for 3 years.

And apparently she either knew or suspected, but some gals are more concerned with how their relationship is progressing and not worrying about what the guy might be doing with someone else. Considering her upbringing, I'm not surprised if she knew and didn't take it seriously.

Also, I just remembered that Devin Devasquez mentions laying in bed with P and they'd be booty butt nekkid and she's tried to molesticate him, but he'd just cuddle and tell her to go to sleep.

It didn't go on 3 years, but clearly he was capable of self control when he wanted to.

I thought it was cute and also a part of his seduction.

[Edited 4/30/17 18:49pm]

LBrent, I totally agree with you. There is no way on God's green earth that Prince was celibate for 3 years during the early 90s. When I refer to the book, they met in July 1990 and she lost her virginity to him in February 1993, so it was more like 2.5 years. During these 2.5 years, he was getting it on with some woman/women, but she wasn't Mayte.

206Michelle said:

LBrent said:

Mayte says in her book that THEY didn't have sex for 3 years...she never said HE didn't have sex for 3 years.

And apparently she either knew or suspected, but some gals are more concerned with how their relationship is progressing and not worrying about what the guy might be doing with someone else. Considering her upbringing, I'm not surprised if she knew and didn't take it seriously.

Also, I just remembered that Devin Devasquez mentions laying in bed with P and they'd be booty butt nekkid and she's tried to molesticate him, but he'd just cuddle and tell her to go to sleep.

It didn't go on 3 years, but clearly he was capable of self control when he wanted to.

I thought it was cute and also a part of his seduction.

[Edited 4/30/17 18:49pm]

LBrent, I totally agree with you. There is no way on God's green earth that Prince was celibate for 3 years during the early 90s. When I refer to the book, they met in July 1990 and she lost her virginity to him in February 1993, so it was more like 2.5 years. During these 2.5 years, he was getting it on with some woman/women, but she wasn't Mayte.

Im not arguing that he didnt have SEX for 3 years

but he had enough self restraint to not Jump Mayte until she was a little more mature

One could say he was waiting for her to Ripen...

Lovejunky said:

206Michelle said:

LBrent, I totally agree with you. There is no way on God's green earth that Prince was celibate for 3 years during the early 90s. When I refer to the book, they met in July 1990 and she lost her virginity to him in February 1993, so it was more like 2.5 years. During these 2.5 years, he was getting it on with some woman/women, but she wasn't Mayte.

Im not arguing that he didnt have SEX for 3 years

but he had enough self restraint to not Jump Mayte until she was a little more mature

One could say he was waiting for her to Ripen...

Some folks find that creepy, and maybe there's a slight element of that involved...if you squint your eyes and tilt your head..but the fact remains that he waited until they were legal in the greater world...not simply legal in Kentucky or some remote village in Antartica where he could've flown them to use the loophole of some obscure law somewhere where it was legal for some under 18 (or even younger) hanky purple pankying.

I don't think he gets his due props for that most often.

Lovejunky said:

206Michelle said:

LBrent, I totally agree with you. There is no way on God's green earth that Prince was celibate for 3 years during the early 90s. When I refer to the book, they met in July 1990 and she lost her virginity to him in February 1993, so it was more like 2.5 years. During these 2.5 years, he was getting it on with some woman/women, but she wasn't Mayte.

Im not arguing that he didnt have SEX for 3 years

but he had enough self restraint to not Jump Mayte until she was a little more mature

One could say he was waiting for her to Ripen...

I know what you meant Lovejunky.

206Michelle said:

Lovejunky said:

Im not arguing that he didnt have SEX for 3 years

but he had enough self restraint to not Jump Mayte until she was a little more mature

One could say he was waiting for her to Ripen...

I know what you meant Lovejunky.

Good

LBrent said:

Lovejunky said:

Anna Fantastic has a similar story....

Aw, I'd never heard her story.

I think it's very endearing to think of P innocently cuddling booty butt nekkid, but not having sex.

Endearing yes, until you consider that maybe he had gotten laid earlier that day and was tapped out when he was with Devin and Anna.

LBrent said:

Lovejunky said:

Im not arguing that he didnt have SEX for 3 years

but he had enough self restraint to not Jump Mayte until she was a little more mature

One could say he was waiting for her to Ripen...

Some folks find that creepy, and maybe there's a slight element of that involved...if you squint your eyes and tilt your head..but the fact remains that he waited until they were legal in the greater world...not simply legal in Kentucky or some remote village in Antartica where he could've flown them to use the loophole of some obscure law somewhere where it was legal for some under 18 (or even younger) hanky purple pankying.

I don't think he gets his due props for that most often.

Oh LBrent, you have a way with words! Great.

DD55 said:

LBrent said:

Some folks find that creepy, and maybe there's a slight element of that involved...if you squint your eyes and tilt your head..but the fact remains that he waited until they were legal in the greater world...not simply legal in Kentucky or some remote village in Antartica where he could've flown them to use the loophole of some obscure law somewhere where it was legal for some under 18 (or even younger) hanky purple pankying.

I don't think he gets his due props for that most often.

Oh LBrent, you have a way with words! Great.

Thanx