laurarichardson said:

Actually, she has. Hate is a wasted emotion. You should really just let it go and move on. She's not hurting you, Prince's legacy or anyone else for that matter. No I'm not a newbie, a hash tagger or what ever else you like to call others. Whatever hatred you carry for others will spill over on you. Take a lesson from P and move on.

laurarichardson said:

She had tried to sell everything and she has not acted in anything in almost decade or danced in anything. She should go get a real job.

She has a job and she didn't ask Prince to support her for life. She's done just fine on her own. Why do you think you can tell her what to do and what not to do? Do you have a job? Because you are here on the Org 24/7.....

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For someone who is so against this book, you were sure online reading the bootleg copy.

Tresha68 said:

--Telling the truth is not hate. Some of us live in the real world. Look her up on the IMDB her credits are few.

PennyPurple said:

--I am sorry you have a reading comprehension problem. As I have explained this about a thousand times already. I am not attacking a book I did not read while you are praising a book you have not read yet. Who has a problem me or you? I actually have a real job that does not consist of playing with dogs and cats all day or belly dancing. She is very much trying to ride the purple train forever and I think she is very honest about it.
[Edited 3/30/17 8:34am]

Without knowing anything about Mayte this is my first thought…

She should sell all the stuff that means so much to so many others,

because that “stuff” is rarely, if ever, as important or as precious as those odd particular little items

that seemingly hold no monetary value.

Those pieces that spark a memory, which no else knows its meaning,

which would be auctioned off for pennies, those are the ones you secret away, hold close,

those are the ones you keep.

It may offend his fans, but in time most will understand

the difficulty in living in a constant contradiction of the twilight,

cast by the light of a superstar and then his shadow.

Even to find his afterglow nonetheless blinding and too overshadowing.

Remember at the end of the movie “Notting Hill?” During her press conference,

in a room filled with news reporters, due to her celebrity

they both knew what would happen the moment they acknowledged their relationship.

The hope to trust, a leap of faith and on her promise the life he had known immediately came to an end.

She had been through it, was used to it and was prepared for it… but there was no way possible that he was prepared for it.

Prince made a similar promise to Mayte. Where her life ended and their life began, or rather where her life became a part, a portion or an extension of his.

However, that portion of his life was entrusted as a gifted promise to her.

An invitation to freely do with as she pleases… as his friend, as his muse,

as his wife and as the mother of his child.

And now, while still feeling an obligatory burden to continue carrying the many secrets of their private life,

she shouldn’t have to burden herself with also carrying material “things.”

I’d advise her to give away, lend, lease and or sell everything to those that find equal if not more value in them than she does.

Just a thought.

TOB said:

Without knowing anything about Mayte this is my first thought…

She should sell all the stuff that means so much to so many others,

because that “stuff” is rarely, if ever, as important or as precious as those odd particular little items

that seemingly hold no monetary value.

Those pieces that spark a memory, which no else knows its meaning,

which would be auctioned off for pennies, those are the ones you secret away, hold close,

those are the ones you keep.

It may offend his fans, but in time most will understand

the difficulty in living in a constant contradiction of the twilight,

cast by the light of a superstar and then his shadow.

Even to find his afterglow nonetheless blinding and too overshadowing.

Remember at the end of the movie “Notting Hill?” During her press conference,

in a room filled with news reporters, due to her celebrity

they both knew what would happen the moment they acknowledged their relationship.

The hope to trust, a leap of faith and on her promise the life he had known immediately came to an end.

She had been through it, was used to it and was prepared for it… but there was no way possible that he was prepared for it.

Prince made a similar promise to Mayte. Where her life ended and their life began, or rather where her life became a part, a portion or an extension of his.

However, that portion of his life was entrusted as a gifted promise to her.

An invitation to freely do with as she pleases… as his friend, as his muse,

as his wife and as the mother of his child.

And now, while still feeling an obligatory burden to continue carrying the many secrets of their private life,

she shouldn’t have to burden herself with also carrying material “things.”

I’d advise her to give away, lend, lease and or sell everything to those that find equal if not more value in them than she does.

Just a thought.

Well said.


The bolded part is so very true.

TOB said:

Without knowing anything about Mayte this is my first thought…

She should sell all the stuff that means so much to so many others,

because that “stuff” is rarely, if ever, as important or as precious as those odd particular little items

that seemingly hold no monetary value.

Those pieces that spark a memory, which no else knows its meaning,

which would be auctioned off for pennies, those are the ones you secret away, hold close,

those are the ones you keep.

It may offend his fans, but in time most will understand

the difficulty in living in a constant contradiction of the twilight,

cast by the light of a superstar and then his shadow.

Even to find his afterglow nonetheless blinding and too overshadowing.

Remember at the end of the movie “Notting Hill?” During her press conference,

in a room filled with news reporters, due to her celebrity

they both knew what would happen the moment they acknowledged their relationship.

The hope to trust, a leap of faith and on her promise the life he had known immediately came to an end.

She had been through it, was used to it and was prepared for it… but there was no way possible that he was prepared for it.

Prince made a similar promise to Mayte. Where her life ended and their life began, or rather where her life became a part, a portion or an extension of his.

However, that portion of his life was entrusted as a gifted promise to her.

An invitation to freely do with as she pleases… as his friend, as his muse,

as his wife and as the mother of his child.

And now, while still feeling an obligatory burden to continue carrying the many secrets of their private life,

she shouldn’t have to burden herself with also carrying material “things.”

I’d advise her to give away, lend, lease and or sell everything to those that find equal if not more value in them than she does.

Just a thought.

You are very wise TOB. Thank you.

PennyPurple said:

TOB said:

Without knowing anything about Mayte this is my first thought…

She should sell all the stuff that means so much to so many others,

because that “stuff” is rarely, if ever, as important or as precious as those odd particular little items

that seemingly hold no monetary value.

Those pieces that spark a memory, which no else knows its meaning,

which would be auctioned off for pennies, those are the ones you secret away, hold close,

those are the ones you keep.

It may offend his fans, but in time most will understand

the difficulty in living in a constant contradiction of the twilight,

cast by the light of a superstar and then his shadow.

Even to find his afterglow nonetheless blinding and too overshadowing.

Remember at the end of the movie “Notting Hill?” During her press conference,

in a room filled with news reporters, due to her celebrity

they both knew what would happen the moment they acknowledged their relationship.

The hope to trust, a leap of faith and on her promise the life he had known immediately came to an end.

She had been through it, was used to it and was prepared for it… but there was no way possible that he was prepared for it.

Prince made a similar promise to Mayte. Where her life ended and their life began, or rather where her life became a part, a portion or an extension of his.

However, that portion of his life was entrusted as a gifted promise to her.

An invitation to freely do with as she pleases… as his friend, as his muse,

as his wife and as the mother of his child.

And now, while still feeling an obligatory burden to continue carrying the many secrets of their private life,

she shouldn’t have to burden herself with also carrying material “things.”

I’d advise her to give away, lend, lease and or sell everything to those that find equal if not more value in them than she does.

Just a thought.

You are very wise TOB. Thank you.

Thank you, but it was just a thought, and You are welcome

I would be more interested in analyzing his rational in why he bothered to sue.

This was him interjecting himself into her life.

A phone call to her or to the auction house would seem much more reasonable.

The "Why" behind it could be insightful.

For obvious reasons I do my best to comment and respond without sentiment, but to be truly honest it would be very difficult to let go of anything Denise has personally given me.

I currently have this 2x5ft picture of tulips on my wall that I never did like, and the only reason I accepted it when she ask me to throw it out is because I liked the frame.

The Nate D. Sanders people began trying to reach me on March 1^st 2016.

How they knew to reach me is what made me curious enough to call them.

This was before I knew the contents of the Will.

I would later discovered that before she passed both Denise and her secretary had been in communications with the Nate D. Sanders people, and I think it was around the same time Mayte's auction.

At her request, over the years I have destroyed, thrown away and given away so many of Denise’s things.

Funny at how it now pains me to put an old deteriorating cardboard box from her storage in the recycling bin, just because it was hers.

I know this is more than my being sentimental. As again I have to acknowledge the grieving process.

Telling myself that my retrieving the box was understandable,

and that ultimately throwing it out was more than my needing to be practical.

To consciously acknowledge that it’s a daily battle to function as usually, to move forward, to let go…

So I guess an auction would make sense.

To me that 2x5ft picture of Tulips holds more value to me than her mink.

That I know is my being sentimental, so obviously I could never personally place a price tag on anything,

and have no clue what items others may deem valuable.

Aside from what I've shared I believe there are somethings Denise meant to give away. One story in particular... I'll see what I can do to share it somewhere... with no chance of it being taken down.

TOB said:

PennyPurple said:

You are very wise TOB. Thank you.

Thank you, but it was just a thought, and You are welcome

I would be more interested in analyzing his rational in why he bothered to sue.

This was him interjecting himself into her life.

A phone call to her or to the auction house would seem much more reasonable.

The "Why" behind it could be insightful.

For obvious reasons I do my best to comment and respond without sentiment, but to be truly honest it would be very difficult to let go of anything Denise has personally given me.

I currently have this 2x5ft picture of tulips on my wall that I never did like, and the only reason I accepted it when she ask me to throw it out is because I liked the frame.

The Nate D. Sanders people began trying to reach me on March 1^st 2016.

How they knew to reach me is what made me curious enough to call them.

This was before I knew the contents of the Will.

I would later discovered that before she passed both Denise and her secretary had been in communications with the Nate D. Sanders people, and I think it was around the same time Mayte's auction.

At her request, over the years I have destroyed, thrown away and given away so many of Denise’s things.

Funny at how it now pains me to put an old deteriorating cardboard box from her storage in the recycling bin, just because it was hers.

I know this is more than my being sentimental. As again I have to acknowledge the grieving process.

Telling myself that my retrieving the box was understandable,

and that ultimately throwing it out was more than my needing to be practical.

To consciously acknowledge that it’s a daily battle to function as usually, to move forward, to let go…

So I guess an auction would make sense.

To me that 2x5ft picture of Tulips holds more value to me than her mink.

That I know is my being sentimental, so obviously I could never personally place a price tag on anything,

and have no clue what items others may deem valuable.

Aside from what I've shared I believe there are somethings Denise meant to give away. One story in particular... I'll see what I can do to share it somewhere... with no chance of it being taken down.

Yes you are right. It was him interjecting himself into her life. He had to keep that control, I believe.

.

I'm not one of the best at throwing things out or selling them off. I just spent 1/2 a day on my basement and I think I kept more than I threw away. Memories and sentimental things are still tucked away in boxes and my heart.

.

Very interested in your stories. Your words are beautifully written. Makes one stop and think.

PennyPurple said:

TOB said:

Thank you, but it was just a thought, and You are welcome

I would be more interested in analyzing his rational in why he bothered to sue.

This was him interjecting himself into her life.

A phone call to her or to the auction house would seem much more reasonable.

The "Why" behind it could be insightful.

For obvious reasons I do my best to comment and respond without sentiment, but to be truly honest it would be very difficult to let go of anything Denise has personally given me.

I currently have this 2x5ft picture of tulips on my wall that I never did like, and the only reason I accepted it when she ask me to throw it out is because I liked the frame.

The Nate D. Sanders people began trying to reach me on March 1^st 2016.

How they knew to reach me is what made me curious enough to call them.

This was before I knew the contents of the Will.

I would later discovered that before she passed both Denise and her secretary had been in communications with the Nate D. Sanders people, and I think it was around the same time Mayte's auction.

At her request, over the years I have destroyed, thrown away and given away so many of Denise’s things.

Funny at how it now pains me to put an old deteriorating cardboard box from her storage in the recycling bin, just because it was hers.

I know this is more than my being sentimental. As again I have to acknowledge the grieving process.

Telling myself that my retrieving the box was understandable,

and that ultimately throwing it out was more than my needing to be practical.

To consciously acknowledge that it’s a daily battle to function as usually, to move forward, to let go…

So I guess an auction would make sense.

To me that 2x5ft picture of Tulips holds more value to me than her mink.

That I know is my being sentimental, so obviously I could never personally place a price tag on anything,

and have no clue what items others may deem valuable.

Aside from what I've shared I believe there are somethings Denise meant to give away. One story in particular... I'll see what I can do to share it somewhere... with no chance of it being taken down.

Yes you are right. It was him interjecting himself into her life. He had to keep that control, I believe.

.

I'm not one of the best at throwing things out or selling them off. I just spent 1/2 a day on my basement and I think I kept more than I threw away. Memories and sentimental things are still tucked away in boxes and my heart.

.

Very interested in your stories. Your words are beautifully written. Makes one stop and think.

Thank you

... stop and think?

I enjoy my privacy too much to give it up willingly, i.e. by writing a book or by claiming to be an authority of anything related to this man. My privacy being threaten is the only thing that I would ever blame on Vanity and Denise. We were placed in each other’s paths and we walk along it for as far as it would take us. She ask me to do somethings for her after she was gone, and I’m just trying to do my best, walking a fine line trying to keep my balance.

His passing immediately made things a bit more complicated, causing me to rethink, reassess, including now the historical aspect, and now force to ask whom does it benefit and is it worth it?

It is more important than just to satisfy both the serious and the inquiring minds that want to know. These are two questions that anyone and everyone “in the know” and the responsible must ask themselves when considering their own and everyone’s actions regarding the phenomenon we know as Prince (an addicting hypnotic funky musical psychedelic). Know a susceptible future is watching and falling under the influence.

So there is a need to be responsible in what is recorded, to be critical of what is written… but also try to be open to the words of those who were so deeply or so long exposed to a living legend, a National Treasure. Their words exist to help complete a mosaic, in an attempt to understand the complexity of the leader of the band, the poet and the man.

Now forgive my comparison, but even when Jesus died all the Apostles went on tour and wrote books. These books were not limited to his ministry, they also included personal life stories. Furthermore, these books are literally taken as the “Gospel Truth,” but how many people remember Apostle Mark or Luke? Why do they have books, where is Mary’s book, and the many others referenced in the Bible but are not available… to the public.

My above flippant remarks should answer the first and second question, pertaining to who would ultimately benefit most, the public, the future, and thus worth the cost of collecting and retaining as much information about such a “historical figure.”

The main point being, in my above comparison, is that the greater concern should be the deceptive, false and misinformation, the deliberate suppression and withholding of information (erasing a thread) and or someone limiting access by deciding to lock it away it a vault.

Considering the source of the information is understandable, but focusing on who gets paid for providing it could also lead to suppressing it, and opening the door to those more skilled manipulative capitalist.

This I have personally experienced, but honestly my overall impression and belief thus far, is not one of everyone seeking capitalize, but to rather to make sense, process, share and honor. All done in an attempt to heal from this past year’s events, and which for me and mine, something Prince ironically began on the evening of 02.16.16 (02.15.16 in the US).

For history and for healing I believe we all, as a collective, need to be recording and sharing our thoughts, our feelings, our stories and then throwing them out there to help fill this void of emptiness that has long since been left open. Aware that the chances of filling the void are slim, but that is not the actual point of this collective effort. It is more a likeminded process in the coming to terms with a shared loss.

If hearing the term “historical figure” hurt more than expected… Welcome to the collective.

We are all feeling it.

Attempting to ascertain the intent behind why someone wrote, offered, sold or is selling something is natural… helpful and necessary actually. Please stay vigilant on guard pointing out, contradictions, false profits, and false narratives seeking to control and rewrite history, and or that attempt to take advantage of newbies and the other more naïve or innocent who have only recently discovered the musical legacy left to them.

On the other hand… this sleight of hand, the one that has appeared to dipped their hand and collected 30 pieces…? Understand, that’s on them to live with.

For those in the know, that have been within that inner circle, that have a story worth selling, the collective concern should be the story and that the money doesn’t matter.

Even if true and you do feel that sting of disloyalty, for the sake of history I’d Letitgo.

The cost of what it took to obtain a more accurate record won’t matter 5, 10, 50, 100 years from now when your great great great grand kin are rockin to “Housequake,” romancing to “Adore,” and whatever they’ll be doing to “Insatiable.”

Even if Prince is taught as a college course there will always be someone wanting to know more and more about The Artist; about what moved him and what made him tic. You won’t be there to explain it, so our collective wish should be for those that don’t know and for the future to have the chance to obtain and experience the event we know as Prince.

I known I’m walking a fine line, and I'm trying hard to keep my balance.

TOB said:

PennyPurple said:

Yes you are right. It was him interjecting himself into her life. He had to keep that control, I believe.

.

I'm not one of the best at throwing things out or selling them off. I just spent 1/2 a day on my basement and I think I kept more than I threw away. Memories and sentimental things are still tucked away in boxes and my heart.

.

Very interested in your stories. Your words are beautifully written. Makes one stop and think.

Thank you

... stop and think?

I enjoy my privacy too much to give it up willingly, i.e. by writing a book or by claiming to be an authority of anything related to this man. My privacy being threaten is the only thing that I would ever blame on Vanity and Denise. We were placed in each other’s paths and we walk along it for as far as it would take us. She ask me to do somethings for her after she was gone, and I’m just trying to do my best, walking a fine line trying to keep my balance.

His passing immediately made things a bit more complicated, causing me to rethink, reassess, including now the historical aspect, and now force to ask whom does it benefit and is it worth it?

It is more important than just to satisfy both the serious and the inquiring minds that want to know. These are two questions that anyone and everyone “in the know” and the responsible must ask themselves when considering their own and everyone’s actions regarding the phenomenon we know as Prince (an addicting hypnotic funky musical psychedelic). Know a susceptible future is watching and falling under the influence.

So there is a need to be responsible in what is recorded, to be critical of what is written… but also try to be open to the words of those who were so deeply or so long exposed to a living legend, a National Treasure. Their words exist to help complete a mosaic, in an attempt to understand the complexity of the leader of the band, the poet and the man.

Now forgive my comparison, but even when Jesus died all the Apostles went on tour and wrote books. These books were not limited to his ministry, they also included personal life stories. Furthermore, these books are literally taken as the “Gospel Truth,” but how many people remember Apostle Mark or Luke? Why do they have books, where is Mary’s book, and the many others referenced in the Bible but are not available… to the public.

My above flippant remarks should answer the first and second question, pertaining to who would ultimately benefit most, the public, the future, and thus worth the cost of collecting and retaining as much information about such a “historical figure.”

The main point being, in my above comparison, is that the greater concern should be the deceptive, false and misinformation, the deliberate suppression and withholding of information (erasing a thread) and or someone limiting access by deciding to lock it away it a vault.

Considering the source of the information is understandable, but focusing on who gets paid for providing it could also lead to suppressing it, and opening the door to those more skilled manipulative capitalist.

This I have personally experienced, but honestly my overall impression and belief thus far, is not one of everyone seeking capitalize, but to rather to make sense, process, share and honor. All done in an attempt to heal from this past year’s events, and which for me and mine, something Prince ironically began on the evening of 02.16.16 (02.15.16 in the US).

For history and for healing I believe we all, as a collective, need to be recording and sharing our thoughts, our feelings, our stories and then throwing them out there to help fill this void of emptiness that has long since been left open. Aware that the chances of filling the void are slim, but that is not the actual point of this collective effort. It is more a likeminded process in the coming to terms with a shared loss.

If hearing the term “historical figure” hurt more than expected… Welcome to the collective.

We are all feeling it.

Attempting to ascertain the intent behind why someone wrote, offered, sold or is selling something is natural… helpful and necessary actually. Please stay vigilant on guard pointing out, contradictions, false profits, and false narratives seeking to control and rewrite history, and or that attempt to take advantage of newbies and the other more naïve or innocent who have only recently discovered the musical legacy left to them.

On the other hand… this sleight of hand, the one that has appeared to dipped their hand and collected 30 pieces…? Understand, that’s on them to live with.

For those in the know, that have been within that inner circle, that have a story worth selling, the collective concern should be the story and that the money doesn’t matter.

Even if true and you do feel that sting of disloyalty, for the sake of history I’d Letitgo.

The cost of what it took to obtain a more accurate record won’t matter 5, 10, 50, 100 years from now when your great great great grand kin are rockin to “Housequake,” romancing to “Adore,” and whatever they’ll be doing to “Insatiable.”

Even if Prince is taught as a college course there will always be someone wanting to know more and more about The Artist; about what moved him and what made him tic. You won’t be there to explain it, so our collective wish should be for those that don’t know and for the future to have the chance to obtain and experience the event we know as Prince.

I known I’m walking a fine line, and I'm trying hard to keep my balance.

Hi TOB,

It is good to see you back posting again. I appreciate your offering a different view on such

a volatile subject of recording for posterity who Prince was as a human being in totality.

Presently, I am disappointed by what is being said about him in the public arena right now due to excerpts from magazines.

The views you shared are sorely needed right now. As much as I want to know many things about both Prince and Denise. I do understand the responsibilty of weighing what is worth sharing with the public and what is not. I realize there were people exposed to Prince . However, I am a firm believer that knowing someone and being close to someone has a lot to do with certain dynamics going on and not just physical closeness and what you "see" with your eyes. The concept of being in a room full of people and being lonely. Living with someone for 10 years and never "knowing" them . It is perception,expectation and what was to be gained from being in the same space. I weigh who , what, and why with all of these books coming out about Prince. ALL. Agendas are real and people have them even people who were in personal close proximity to Prince. No one gets a pass just because they knew him for 20 years, or ate breakfast with him everyday or had the envied privilege to kiss his lips and caress his cheek. When the character of a person is undermined no matter who it is I take pause and ponder on the reason. Humans are who we are and as the Bible says :

The heart of man is deceitful ; who can know it? Jeremiah 17:9

Some translations say deceitful and DESPERATELY wicked. I accept many have stories to tell and I respect who and what they were in the world of Prince but I will always question and realize it is not always just to share history and add to the totality of a genius and what made him tick and create. Things are also at times shared to undermine, destroy and cast shade on what so many celebrate in Prince the man.

I do appreciate your wisdom on the subject and hope the others will be mindful that Prince was a national treasure although human and there are ways to share the unsavory that add to and not take away from the legacy of the man.

[Edited 4/1/17 7:58am]

Vashtix said:

TOB said:

Thank you

... stop and think?

I enjoy my privacy too much to give it up willingly, i.e. by writing a book or by claiming to be an authority of anything related to this man. My privacy being threaten is the only thing that I would ever blame on Vanity and Denise. We were placed in each other’s paths and we walk along it for as far as it would take us. She ask me to do somethings for her after she was gone, and I’m just trying to do my best, walking a fine line trying to keep my balance.

His passing immediately made things a bit more complicated, causing me to rethink, reassess, including now the historical aspect, and now force to ask whom does it benefit and is it worth it?

It is more important than just to satisfy both the serious and the inquiring minds that want to know. These are two questions that anyone and everyone “in the know” and the responsible must ask themselves when considering their own and everyone’s actions regarding the phenomenon we know as Prince (an addicting hypnotic funky musical psychedelic). Know a susceptible future is watching and falling under the influence.

So there is a need to be responsible in what is recorded, to be critical of what is written… but also try to be open to the words of those who were so deeply or so long exposed to a living legend, a National Treasure. Their words exist to help complete a mosaic, in an attempt to understand the complexity of the leader of the band, the poet and the man.

Now forgive my comparison, but even when Jesus died all the Apostles went on tour and wrote books. These books were not limited to his ministry, they also included personal life stories. Furthermore, these books are literally taken as the “Gospel Truth,” but how many people remember Apostle Mark or Luke? Why do they have books, where is Mary’s book, and the many others referenced in the Bible but are not available… to the public.

My above flippant remarks should answer the first and second question, pertaining to who would ultimately benefit most, the public, the future, and thus worth the cost of collecting and retaining as much information about such a “historical figure.”

The main point being, in my above comparison, is that the greater concern should be the deceptive, false and misinformation, the deliberate suppression and withholding of information (erasing a thread) and or someone limiting access by deciding to lock it away it a vault.

Considering the source of the information is understandable, but focusing on who gets paid for providing it could also lead to suppressing it, and opening the door to those more skilled manipulative capitalist.

This I have personally experienced, but honestly my overall impression and belief thus far, is not one of everyone seeking capitalize, but to rather to make sense, process, share and honor. All done in an attempt to heal from this past year’s events, and which for me and mine, something Prince ironically began on the evening of 02.16.16 (02.15.16 in the US).

For history and for healing I believe we all, as a collective, need to be recording and sharing our thoughts, our feelings, our stories and then throwing them out there to help fill this void of emptiness that has long since been left open. Aware that the chances of filling the void are slim, but that is not the actual point of this collective effort. It is more a likeminded process in the coming to terms with a shared loss.

If hearing the term “historical figure” hurt more than expected… Welcome to the collective.

We are all feeling it.

Attempting to ascertain the intent behind why someone wrote, offered, sold or is selling something is natural… helpful and necessary actually. Please stay vigilant on guard pointing out, contradictions, false profits, and false narratives seeking to control and rewrite history, and or that attempt to take advantage of newbies and the other more naïve or innocent who have only recently discovered the musical legacy left to them.

On the other hand… this sleight of hand, the one that has appeared to dipped their hand and collected 30 pieces…? Understand, that’s on them to live with.

For those in the know, that have been within that inner circle, that have a story worth selling, the collective concern should be the story and that the money doesn’t matter.

Even if true and you do feel that sting of disloyalty, for the sake of history I’d Letitgo.

The cost of what it took to obtain a more accurate record won’t matter 5, 10, 50, 100 years from now when your great great great grand kin are rockin to “Housequake,” romancing to “Adore,” and whatever they’ll be doing to “Insatiable.”

Even if Prince is taught as a college course there will always be someone wanting to know more and more about The Artist; about what moved him and what made him tic. You won’t be there to explain it, so our collective wish should be for those that don’t know and for the future to have the chance to obtain and experience the event we know as Prince.

I known I’m walking a fine line, and I'm trying hard to keep my balance.

Hi TOB,

It is good to see you back posting again. I appreciate your offering a different view on such

a volatile subject of recording for posterity who Prince was as a human being in totality.

Presently, I am disappointed by what is being said about him in the public arena right now due to excerpts from magazines.

The views you shared are sorely needed right now. As much as I want to know many things about both Prince and Denise. I do understand the responsibilty of weighing what is worth sharing with the public and what is not. I realize there were people exposed to Prince . However, I am a firm believer that knowing someone and being close to someone has a lot to do with certain dynamics going on and not just physical closeness and what you "see" with your eyes. The concept of being in a room full of people and being lonely. Living with someone for 10 years and never "knowing" them . It is perception,expectation and what was to be gained from being in the same space. I weigh who , what, and why with all of these books coming out about Prince. ALL. Agendas are real and people have them even people who were in personal close proximity to Prince. No one gets a pass just because they knew him for 20 years, or ate breakfast with him everyday or had the envied privilege to kiss his lips and caress his cheek. When the character of a person is undermined no matter who it is I take pause and ponder on the reason. Humans are who we are and as the Bible says :

The heart of man is deceitful ; who can know it? Jeremiah 17:9

Some translations say deceitful and DESPERATELY wicked. I accept many have stories to tell and I respect who and what they were in the world of Prince but I will always question and realize it is not always just to share history and add to the totality of a genius and what made him tick and create. Things are also at times shared to undermine, destroy and cast shade on what so many celebrate in Prince the man.

I do appreciate your wisdom on the subject and hope there others will be mindful that Prince was a national treasure although human and there are ways to share the unsavory that add to and not take away from the legacy of the man.

But even the unsavorable is part of the man.

PennyPurple said:

Vashtix said:

Hi TOB,

It is good to see you back posting again. I appreciate your offering a different view on such

a volatile subject of recording for posterity who Prince was as a human being in totality.

Presently, I am disappointed by what is being said about him in the public arena right now due to excerpts from magazines.

The views you shared are sorely needed right now. As much as I want to know many things about both Prince and Denise. I do understand the responsibilty of weighing what is worth sharing with the public and what is not. I realize there were people exposed to Prince . However, I am a firm believer that knowing someone and being close to someone has a lot to do with certain dynamics going on and not just physical closeness and what you "see" with your eyes. The concept of being in a room full of people and being lonely. Living with someone for 10 years and never "knowing" them . It is perception,expectation and what was to be gained from being in the same space. I weigh who , what, and why with all of these books coming out about Prince. ALL. Agendas are real and people have them even people who were in personal close proximity to Prince. No one gets a pass just because they knew him for 20 years, or ate breakfast with him everyday or had the envied privilege to kiss his lips and caress his cheek. When the character of a person is undermined no matter who it is I take pause and ponder on the reason. Humans are who we are and as the Bible says :

The heart of man is deceitful ; who can know it? Jeremiah 17:9

Some translations say deceitful and DESPERATELY wicked. I accept many have stories to tell and I respect who and what they were in the world of Prince but I will always question and realize it is not always just to share history and add to the totality of a genius and what made him tick and create. Things are also at times shared to undermine, destroy and cast shade on what so many celebrate in Prince the man.

I do appreciate your wisdom on the subject and hope there others will be mindful that Prince was a national treasure although human and there are ways to share the unsavory that add to and not take away from the legacy of the man.

But even the unsavorable is part of the man.

Definitely unsavory but as I said there are ways to share the unsavory that add to and not take away from the legacy of the man.

I think she should sell the stuff, already. There's no reason for her to keep it unless she's attached to it -- and since she considered selling it before, something tells me the woman doesn't want the stuff. Why the hell you Prince stans think she MUST keep it is beyond me. If you don't want it 'going into the wrong hands', or whatever, get your money together and buy it from her, then. It seems more sentimental to you guys. God, really, some of you are so hell-bent on making this woman miserable to no good purpose.

What's she supposed to do with Prince-labeled china right now? He divorced her. He clearly didn't want her anymore, but she's supposed to keep all this stuff from him because he gave it to her?

Do you guys keep things from exes?

I sure as hell don't. Why is it different because it's Prince?

SpookyNopetopus said:

--She has tried to sell the stuff before and I believe it did not sell because of the prices were too high. She got threatened with a lawsuit before when she teamed up with Owen who was maybe selling things he did not actually own because the auction house pulled it due to the threat of a suit. If she was smart she might want to see if the Graceland people want the stuff or if his family members want it. She is going to get her goldmine off the book so she really does not need to hang on to this stuff. I actually hope she makes money off of this book so she go the fuck on with her life.
[Edited 4/1/17 8:52am]

laurarichardson said:

SpookyNopetopus said:

I think she should sell the stuff, already. There's no reason for her to keep it unless she's attached to it -- and since she considered selling it before, something tells me the woman doesn't want the stuff. Why the hell you Prince stans think she MUST keep it is beyond me. If you don't want it 'going into the wrong hands', or whatever, get your money together and buy it from her, then. It seems more sentimental to you guys. God, really, some of you are so hell-bent on making this woman miserable to no good purpose.

What's she supposed to do with Prince-labeled china right now? He divorced her. He clearly didn't want her anymore, but she's supposed to keep all this stuff from him because he gave it to her?

Do you guys keep things from exes?

I sure as hell don't. Why is it different because it's Prince?

--She has tried to sell the stuff before and I believe it did not sell because of the prices were too high. She got threatened with a lawsuit before when she teamed up with Owen who was maybe selling things he did not actually own because the auction house pulled it due to the threat of a suit. If she was smart she might want to see if the Graceland people want the stuff or if his family members want it. She is going to get her goldmine off the book so she really does not need to hang on to this stuff. I actually hope she makes money off of this book so she go the fuck on with her life. [Edited 4/1/17 8:52am]

Yeah, I know that, Laura. My point, however, is that she's been relentlessly attacked for behavior that is essentially the same as a lot of people on the org's. Sometimes really irrational, sometimes nasty, whatever. There's this expectation tat seems to be happening on this board, where because this is stuff Prince gave her, she should hold on to it, perhaps enshrine it somewhere and worship it because /Prince/ gave it to her -- and that's an unreasonable expectation. Yes, Prince was a great musician who should be appreciated for his great talent -- you'll never see me disagree with that. Where I do disagree with a lot of people is that Mayte should somehow forget the bad times she had with Prince because 'she couldn't possibly have had a bad time with him, he's so perfect!' Nope, I don't believe that for a second. I didn't know the man, but I'm pretty sure he did some things that were terrible. He's her ex, for chrissakes. Nobody but them knows what happened during their relationship, and I'm more likely to want to find out from her what happened than from a rumor mill or other second or third hand accounts. She may very well be the devil's spawn, I don't know. I don't know her, never kept up with her life (and as I've said before, I had no idea they dated or were married until the Oprah show. Sure, I knew she appeared in the 7 video, but it simply never occured to me that there was anything else going on with them. I mean, lol, I didn't really care about that kind of thing regarding /any/ singer I was a fan of. I just didn't have access -- or interest! -- in that level of his life.) or his.

Well, if Graceland or his family wanted the stuff, they could very well ask her for it, it's not her responsibility to go to them and offer it. It's hers to do with as she pleases. Nobody has to /like/ what she does with it, but they do have to accept that they're her possessions, ans she's the only one who gets to decide what to do with it. Attacking her over is it just plain silly. Why do you (general you) care so damned much about what she's doing or not doing? I only got curious because what the hell is all the fuss about over this woman? She's probably a bit dramatic, but have you read the threads here? A lot of his fans are a bit dramatic. His ex-lovers are a bit dramatic. His employees are a bit dramatic. Everyone connected to Prince is a bit dramatic. A music icon has died, people are going to be dramatic and irrational and crazy. It's upsetting, I get it -- but why so much negativity over this female in particular?

If you want her to not get attention, stop worrying about what she does, she can't really damage Prince all that much unless you give her more attention. The best way to make this go away is to freaking ignore it. People are going to think whatever they want to about Prince, no matter what you do. Some will think he was a drug addicted nutcase, some will think he was causing the downfall of morality in America, some people will be neutral, some won't care. I'm just saying, instead of wasting energy trying to show Mayte up as 'the devil', go ahead and put all that energy into introducing people to Prince's great music. You'd be doing more for who he was as a musician. Share your great times of visiting Paisley Park, going to concerts, that time you met him and he was awesome/funny/nice/cool.

SpookyNopetopus said:

She is not being relentlessly attacked she is getting the scrutiny you are going to get when you put your personal life out in the public. If you look outside of the Prince community no one really gives a crap about what she has to say. On Facebook pages she is getting dragged much harder then on this board. As far as thinking Prince was perfect who on this board ever said that he got dragged on this board for real as well as made up crap. I do not think he was perfect but I know M1 is not perfect as know one is and she does not seem interested in telling on herself and to be honest Prince never did not so much as mentioned her name after they divorced he did not drag her which I think is pretty good for the man she cannot be adult enough to forgive. I have an opinion and I have a right to express it just like you have a right and she has a right.
[Edited 4/1/17 10:50am]

laurarichardson said:

SpookyNopetopus said:

Yeah, I know that, Laura. My point, however, is that she's been relentlessly attacked for behavior that is essentially the same as a lot of people on the org's. Sometimes really irrational, sometimes nasty, whatever. There's this expectation tat seems to be happening on this board, where because this is stuff Prince gave her, she should hold on to it, perhaps enshrine it somewhere and worship it because /Prince/ gave it to her -- and that's an unreasonable expectation. Yes, Prince was a great musician who should be appreciated for his great talent -- you'll never see me disagree with that. Where I do disagree with a lot of people is that Mayte should somehow forget the bad times she had with Prince because 'she couldn't possibly have had a bad time with him, he's so perfect!' Nope, I don't believe that for a second. I didn't know the man, but I'm pretty sure he did some things that were terrible. He's her ex, for chrissakes. Nobody but them knows what happened during their relationship, and I'm more likely to want to find out from her what happened than from a rumor mill or other second or third hand accounts. She may very well be the devil's spawn, I don't know. I don't know her, never kept up with her life (and as I've said before, I had no idea they dated or were married until the Oprah show. Sure, I knew she appeared in the 7 video, but it simply never occured to me that there was anything else going on with them. I mean, lol, I didn't really care about that kind of thing regarding /any/ singer I was a fan of. I just didn't have access -- or interest! -- in that level of his life.) or his.

Well, if Graceland or his family wanted the stuff, they could very well ask her for it, it's not her responsibility to go to them and offer it. It's hers to do with as she pleases. Nobody has to /like/ what she does with it, but they do have to accept that they're her possessions, ans she's the only one who gets to decide what to do with it. Attacking her over is it just plain silly. Why do you (general you) care so damned much about what she's doing or not doing? I only got curious because what the hell is all the fuss about over this woman? She's probably a bit dramatic, but have you read the threads here? A lot of his fans are a bit dramatic. His ex-lovers are a bit dramatic. His employees are a bit dramatic. Everyone connected to Prince is a bit dramatic. A music icon has died, people are going to be dramatic and irrational and crazy. It's upsetting, I get it -- but why so much negativity over this female in particular?

If you want her to not get attention, stop worrying about what she does, she can't really damage Prince all that much unless you give her more attention. The best way to make this go away is to freaking ignore it. People are going to think whatever they want to about Prince, no matter what you do. Some will think he was a drug addicted nutcase, some will think he was causing the downfall of morality in America, some people will be neutral, some won't care. I'm just saying, instead of wasting energy trying to show Mayte up as 'the devil', go ahead and put all that energy into introducing people to Prince's great music. You'd be doing more for who he was as a musician. Share your great times of visiting Paisley Park, going to concerts, that time you met him and he was awesome/funny/nice/cool.

She is not being relentlessly attacked she is getting the scrutiny you are going to get when you put your Persian life out in the public. If you look outside of the Prince community no one really gives a crap about what she has to say. On Facebook pages she is getting dragged much harder then on this board. As far as thinking Prince was perfect who on this board ever said that he hit dragged on this board for real as well as made up crap. I donor think he was perfect but I know M1 is not perfect as know one on this is and she dies not seem interested in telling on herself and to be honest Prince never do much as mentioned her name after they divorced he did not drag her which I think is pretty good for the man she cannot be adult enough to forgive. I have an opinion and I a right to express it just like you have a right and she has a right.

And you have, repeatedly and hatefully like some kind of jealous lover or something. You deliberately go digging for dirt on this woman. You dislike her, yet you know all about her every facebook post. Really? Why is that?

So bloody what if she can't forgive him -- she had to live with him and his nonsense, you didn't. Who are you to decide what she should or should not forgive? Nobody.

Oh, please, miss me with this nonsense.

So 'everyone else is doing it' is an excuse to join right in? Girl, please. I don't even care.

You're never going to convince me you're merely 'offering an opinion'; you're trying to gather others to join you in being hateful, and I for one am not buying your nonsense. I'm done with you.

SpookyNopetopus said:

--I do not have to go digging for anything the information is readily avalible and I do not hate her and know one is getting people to join them WTF is that even suppose to mean. I am glad you are done.

Vashtix said:

TOB said:

Thank you

... stop and think?

I enjoy my privacy too much to give it up willingly, i.e. by writing a book or by claiming to be an authority of anything related to this man. My privacy being threaten is the only thing that I would ever blame on Vanity and Denise. We were placed in each other’s paths and we walk along it for as far as it would take us. She ask me to do somethings for her after she was gone, and I’m just trying to do my best, walking a fine line trying to keep my balance.

His passing immediately made things a bit more complicated, causing me to rethink, reassess, including now the historical aspect, and now force to ask whom does it benefit and is it worth it?

It is more important than just to satisfy both the serious and the inquiring minds that want to know. These are two questions that anyone and everyone “in the know” and the responsible must ask themselves when considering their own and everyone’s actions regarding the phenomenon we know as Prince (an addicting hypnotic funky musical psychedelic). Know a susceptible future is watching and falling under the influence.

So there is a need to be responsible in what is recorded, to be critical of what is written… but also try to be open to the words of those who were so deeply or so long exposed to a living legend, a National Treasure. Their words exist to help complete a mosaic, in an attempt to understand the complexity of the leader of the band, the poet and the man.

Now forgive my comparison, but even when Jesus died all the Apostles went on tour and wrote books. These books were not limited to his ministry, they also included personal life stories. Furthermore, these books are literally taken as the “Gospel Truth,” but how many people remember Apostle Mark or Luke? Why do they have books, where is Mary’s book, and the many others referenced in the Bible but are not available… to the public.

My above flippant remarks should answer the first and second question, pertaining to who would ultimately benefit most, the public, the future, and thus worth the cost of collecting and retaining as much information about such a “historical figure.”

The main point being, in my above comparison, is that the greater concern should be the deceptive, false and misinformation, the deliberate suppression and withholding of information (erasing a thread) and or someone limiting access by deciding to lock it away it a vault.

Considering the source of the information is understandable, but focusing on who gets paid for providing it could also lead to suppressing it, and opening the door to those more skilled manipulative capitalist.

This I have personally experienced, but honestly my overall impression and belief thus far, is not one of everyone seeking capitalize, but to rather to make sense, process, share and honor. All done in an attempt to heal from this past year’s events, and which for me and mine, something Prince ironically began on the evening of 02.16.16 (02.15.16 in the US).

For history and for healing I believe we all, as a collective, need to be recording and sharing our thoughts, our feelings, our stories and then throwing them out there to help fill this void of emptiness that has long since been left open. Aware that the chances of filling the void are slim, but that is not the actual point of this collective effort. It is more a likeminded process in the coming to terms with a shared loss.

If hearing the term “historical figure” hurt more than expected… Welcome to the collective.

We are all feeling it.

Attempting to ascertain the intent behind why someone wrote, offered, sold or is selling something is natural… helpful and necessary actually. Please stay vigilant on guard pointing out, contradictions, false profits, and false narratives seeking to control and rewrite history, and or that attempt to take advantage of newbies and the other more naïve or innocent who have only recently discovered the musical legacy left to them.

On the other hand… this sleight of hand, the one that has appeared to dipped their hand and collected 30 pieces…? Understand, that’s on them to live with.

For those in the know, that have been within that inner circle, that have a story worth selling, the collective concern should be the story and that the money doesn’t matter.

Even if true and you do feel that sting of disloyalty, for the sake of history I’d Letitgo.

The cost of what it took to obtain a more accurate record won’t matter 5, 10, 50, 100 years from now when your great great great grand kin are rockin to “Housequake,” romancing to “Adore,” and whatever they’ll be doing to “Insatiable.”

Even if Prince is taught as a college course there will always be someone wanting to know more and more about The Artist; about what moved him and what made him tic. You won’t be there to explain it, so our collective wish should be for those that don’t know and for the future to have the chance to obtain and experience the event we know as Prince.

I known I’m walking a fine line, and I'm trying hard to keep my balance.

Hi TOB,

It is good to see you back posting again. I appreciate your offering a different view on such

a volatile subject of recording for posterity who Prince was as a human being in totality.

Presently, I am disappointed by what is being said about him in the public arena right now due to excerpts from magazines.

The views you shared are sorely needed right now. As much as I want to know many things about both Prince and Denise. I do understand the responsibilty of weighing what is worth sharing with the public and what is not. I realize there were people exposed to Prince . However, I am a firm believer that knowing someone and being close to someone has a lot to do with certain dynamics going on and not just physical closeness and what you "see" with your eyes. The concept of being in a room full of people and being lonely. Living with someone for 10 years and never "knowing" them . It is perception,expectation and what was to be gained from being in the same space. I weigh who , what, and why with all of these books coming out about Prince. ALL. Agendas are real and people have them even people who were in personal close proximity to Prince. No one gets a pass just because they knew him for 20 years, or ate breakfast with him everyday or had the envied privilege to kiss his lips and caress his cheek. When the character of a person is undermined no matter who it is I take pause and ponder on the reason. Humans are who we are and as the Bible says :

The heart of man is deceitful ; who can know it? Jeremiah 17:9

Some translations say deceitful and DESPERATELY wicked. I accept many have stories to tell and I respect who and what they were in the world of Prince but I will always question and realize it is not always just to share history and add to the totality of a genius and what made him tick and create. Things are also at times shared to undermine, destroy and cast shade on what so many celebrate in Prince the man.

I do appreciate your wisdom on the subject and hope the others will be mindful that Prince was a national treasure although human and there are ways to share the unsavory that add to and not take away from the legacy of the man.

[Edited 4/1/17 7:58am]

Hello Vashtix, actually I'm beginning to post elsewhere...

As stated, I don’t know enough about Mayte, to have an opposing opinion about her putting the things he had given her up for auction. I don’t know if her doing so conflicts with statements she made earlier.

His filing lawsuit would seem to be his wanting to send a loud public message directed at her.

Was she not accepting his phone calls?

Hating what someone did is one thing, subtly reminding them of that hate,

and thus the reason for it, might be consider a bit twisted and cruel.

I don’t know this to be the case but apparently there is some reason behind her being villainized,

and now with no chance of a reprieve.

I empathize, but don’t know enough to specifically speak on it.

Yes, I am fully aware of the potential evil and wickedness in the hearts of man.

Many only seeing the potential dollar signs as if a result of their proximity to him.

As with most in his orbit, Denise and DeBorah had grown accustom to it

and were on constant guard of those solely seeking access to Prince.

It remained as a second nature, a knee-jerk reflex action to protect themselves from being used,

and thus protecting him; both having witnessed the lengths, of how devious and desperately dangerous people can be

in their attempts to get to him.

I, on the other hand, didn’t get my first lesson until after…

Without my knowledge I was accused, villainized and sentenced by those using her death to gain access to her celebrity and him.

Within a week of my standing at Denise’s bedside holding her hand watching her pass,

6 days later I was openly threatening to start looking into fraud and possible negligent homicide investigations.

This is less than half of the message I sent, which would be considered a cryptic attention seeking inflammatory statement

that could even now be viewed as irresponsible and or slanderous… if I left it at that.

However, I sent this statement as a text message to two people, both owing me at the very least their ear to hear my earlier concerns and respond, at most they owed confidentiality stemming from their fiduciary duty to me.

Soon discovering that my texts and later my emails were forwarded and sent to other people to further their agenda.

No matter to what extent I have gone out of my way to do my due diligence to fulfill Denise’s Will and wishes, my efforts have been circumvented, treated as suspect and questioned.

As a direct result of my having a close and trusted relationship with Denise I was accused of stealing 100’s of thousands in jewelry, threatened, accused of attempting to break into Denise’s apartment and storage.

When in fact they were in Denise’s apartment within an hour of her death, searching it for jewelry, took her car and had changed the locks.

I was not notified or invited to the cremation or her memorial service.

I was deliberately left out of Denise’s obituary.

In less than two weeks of her passing these character assassins had done an excellent good job of secretly destroying my name.

So much so that at Denise’s memorial service her family (obviously except for DeBorah) said no more than 3 words to me.

I am certain worse is being claimed, assumed, said and believed.

All of which I have and could easily disprove whenever I am ask.

But why it was happening was always clear and made evident…

It was all about Prince.

I didn’t ask for this, I told Denise I wanted nothing, but before I even saw her Will I was targeted for destruction.

Now, if this was happening to me due to Denise passing,

when Prince died I didn’t know what to expect from these vulture capitalist who were positioning themselves to profit off of death.

Yes, I am fully aware of the potential evil in the hearts of men.

I’m also fully aware of what it’s like to be falsely accused, considered a threat,

collateral damage in the way of people with an agenda and the power to control the narrative.

I doubt Mayte has done as much, but she is in a position to have it done to her.

Even I may have been accused of marginalizing her and others in pursuit of my own agenda.

Maybe that which is in question about her will be explained in her words.

I’d ask that she “Please” be given that chance.

People could always go back and hate her later.

TOB said:

Vashtix said:

Hi TOB,

It is good to see you back posting again. I appreciate your offering a different view on such

a volatile subject of recording for posterity who Prince was as a human being in totality.

Presently, I am disappointed by what is being said about him in the public arena right now due to excerpts from magazines.

The views you shared are sorely needed right now. As much as I want to know many things about both Prince and Denise. I do understand the responsibilty of weighing what is worth sharing with the public and what is not. I realize there were people exposed to Prince . However, I am a firm believer that knowing someone and being close to someone has a lot to do with certain dynamics going on and not just physical closeness and what you "see" with your eyes. The concept of being in a room full of people and being lonely. Living with someone for 10 years and never "knowing" them . It is perception,expectation and what was to be gained from being in the same space. I weigh who , what, and why with all of these books coming out about Prince. ALL. Agendas are real and people have them even people who were in personal close proximity to Prince. No one gets a pass just because they knew him for 20 years, or ate breakfast with him everyday or had the envied privilege to kiss his lips and caress his cheek. When the character of a person is undermined no matter who it is I take pause and ponder on the reason. Humans are who we are and as the Bible says :

The heart of man is deceitful ; who can know it? Jeremiah 17:9

Some translations say deceitful and DESPERATELY wicked. I accept many have stories to tell and I respect who and what they were in the world of Prince but I will always question and realize it is not always just to share history and add to the totality of a genius and what made him tick and create. Things are also at times shared to undermine, destroy and cast shade on what so many celebrate in Prince the man.

I do appreciate your wisdom on the subject and hope the others will be mindful that Prince was a national treasure although human and there are ways to share the unsavory that add to and not take away from the legacy of the man.

[Edited 4/1/17 7:58am]

Hello Vashtix, actually I'm beginning to post elsewhere...

As stated, I don’t know enough about Mayte, to have an opposing opinion about her putting the things he had given her up for auction. I don’t know if her doing so conflicts with statements she made earlier.

His filing lawsuit would seem to be his wanting to send a loud public message directed at her.

Was she not accepting his phone calls?

Hating what someone did is one thing, subtly reminding them of that hate,

and thus the reason for it, might be consider a bit twisted and cruel.

I don’t know this to be the case but apparently there is some reason behind her being villainized,

and now with no chance of a reprieve.

I empathize, but don’t know enough to specifically speak on it.

Yes, I am fully aware of the potential evil and wickedness in the hearts of man.

Many only seeing the potential dollar signs as if a result of their proximity to him.

As with most in his orbit, Denise and DeBorah had grown accustom to it

and were on constant guard of those solely seeking access to Prince.

It remained as a second nature, a knee-jerk reflex action to protect themselves from being used,

and thus protecting him; both having witnessed the lengths, of how devious and desperately dangerous people can be

in their attempts to get to him.

I, on the other hand, didn’t get my first lesson until after…

Without my knowledge I was accused, villainized and sentenced by those using her death to gain access to her celebrity and him.

Within a week of my standing at Denise’s bedside holding her hand watching her pass,

6 days later I was openly threatening to start looking into fraud and possible negligent homicide investigations.

This is less than half of the message I sent, which would be considered a cryptic attention seeking inflammatory statement

that could even now be viewed as irresponsible and or slanderous… if I left it at that.

However, I sent this statement as a text message to two people, both owing me at the very least their ear to hear my earlier concerns and respond, at most they owed confidentiality stemming from their fiduciary duty to me.

Soon discovering that my texts and later my emails were forwarded and sent to other people to further their agenda.

No matter to what extent I have gone out of my way to do my due diligence to fulfill Denise’s Will and wishes, my efforts have been circumvented, treated as suspect and questioned.

As a direct result of my having a close and trusted relationship with Denise I was accused of stealing 100’s of thousands in jewelry, threatened, accused of attempting to break into Denise’s apartment and storage.

When in fact they were in Denise’s apartment within an hour of her death, searching it for jewelry, took her car and had changed the locks.

I was not notified or invited to the cremation or her memorial service.

I was deliberately left out of Denise’s obituary.

In less than two weeks of her passing these character assassins had done an excellent good job of secretly destroying my name.

So much so that at Denise’s memorial service her family (obviously except for DeBorah) said no more than 3 words to me.

I am certain worse is being claimed, assumed, said and believed.

All of which I have and could easily disprove whenever I am ask.

But why it was happening was always clear and made evident…

It was all about Prince.

I didn’t ask for this, I told Denise I wanted nothing, but before I even saw her Will I was targeted for destruction.

Now, if this was happening to me due to Denise passing,

when Prince died I didn’t know what to expect from these vulture capitalist who were positioning themselves to profit off of death.

Yes, I am fully aware of the potential evil in the hearts of men.

I’m also fully aware of what it’s like to be falsely accused, considered a threat,

collateral damage in the way of people with an agenda and the power to control the narrative.

I doubt Mayte has done as much, but she is in a position to have it done to her.

Even I may have been accused of marginalizing her and others in pursuit of my own agenda.

Maybe that which is in question about her will be explained in her words.

I’d ask that she “Please” be given that chance.

People could always go back and hate her later.

First, if you are posting elsewhere can you PM the link? I would like to join in on the discussion if possible.

I am sorry that you have been vilified by people just due to being a dear friend and brother to Denise. It is sad that even in death people with agendas forge on. I cannot imagine how that must compound the grief. I do realize things get real really fast when people die. The rush of people trying to get what they think is theirs and them trying to keep out who might get in the way is real and gets ugly quick.

It is hard for me to imagine while you were holding vigil saying good bye to Denise there were those already with a plan. It gets no uglier than that. It makes me nauseous just the thought.

In this case of Mayte I do not see anyone falsely accusing her. I think maybe she has things that are hers and not hers but what being Prince's wife has in her possession. It is clearly up to her what to keep and what to get rid of. I have no care of her things. She was his wife it is her decision.

I am not in her shoes , I have never been close to any celebrity lifestyle but I do realize celebs are human and are just as mean and selfish and unseemly as the rest of us. This is the 1st anniversary of his death and many people are calling Prince everything but the son of God due to what she has put out in the media. Prince worked hard to protect his image and yes she has a story and yes she was his wife . I feel that you still have to be responsible in how you present your side of the story to the world.

While we embark on the 1st anniverary of his death much of the chatter is about him being a DL pedophile and drug addict. This is a direct result of the excerpts from a book- the words Mayte gave the universe. I did not know him and do not know her but I do not think he was a pedophile because she worked for him while a teen. The headline about Prince burning the baby's ashes was just ugh! no words. This will be how he will be remembered and so much for caring about a national treasure and how those following behind will remember them. IDK I find it distasteful and there are other things that are heresy that people have run with and it is just not a good look.

I realize you personally see what being in the cirlce of those in proximity of Prince is like but from an outsider looking in what is going on with him now is sad and on this first anniversary poor timing.

It is all just leaves me feeling nauseous as I feel there is a way to tell the story without the public bashingof the man on the 1st anniversary of his passing.

[Edited 4/1/17 18:42pm]

Vashtix said:

Ah… I see.

Honestly, that is not what I expected.

For clarity, I just did a quick search to get some understanding on what is being said.

My first thought… pedophile? Oh hell NO! People should learn how to use a dictionary.

This man was not into hanging around playgrounds spying and lusting after prepubescent girls.

Legally, statutory rape? NO! Not even if they had sex “in his home” on the day they first met.

People should look up Minnesota state law on the matter.

Unseemly? Questionable? Hmmm… Now that would depend on who you question…

the current, 70yr old President Donald Trump whose wife is 3 years older than Mayte (a 27 year difference),

90 year old Hugh Hefner whose wife of 5 years turns 30 next week (a 60 year difference)…?

Prince was 29 or had just turned 30 (a 13 year difference) when they met.

Furthermore, for perspective, let’s not forget the very public romance between then 14 and 24 year old Priscilla and Elvis Presley from 1959 through 1967.

Unseemly with regard to what, societal norms?

Why a bunch of old grown men get together write such laws, Yes, it is very unseemly.

Age of consent 16, but can’t vote until 18.

If we ask the US Congress to write a law to make the Voting Age and the Age of Consent the same,

would they raise the Consent age to 18 of lower the Voting age to 16?

Why does Prince get a Pass…? Please!!!

A pass for what, doing something dumb looking for his Umfufu?

I don't blame him if he took Eddie Murphy's RAW routine seriously.

And why argue the point of marrying someone younger

as if it were some kind of wonderful benefit reserved for the rich and famous.

Poor nobodies can be just as foolish, it’s just that nobody really cares.

Personally the thought alone is actually exhausting?

You can keep that “Pass,” that is just too much worry and work.

I never want to have to try to keep up with someone younger, or feel I need to hide my age, my aches and pains.

Romancing a 16 year old seems to be the most problematic part I’ve seen so far.

Problematic for her if she doesn't have clear proof.

I’ve had more than a few girls and then women assume too much when paid a little extra attention.

I was 20 when one teenage girl made a scene at a wedding, her parents told me I needed to be taught a lesson

that I just can't go around being nice, that it will be taken for more.

With Prince it wasn’t like it was an issue of needing his ego stroked,

not 27 years ago in 1990 through 1996. And not when at any time he could step on any stage

or step through any door and be catered to.

DeBorah was round back then, with Tony Lemans being another one of Prince protégés.

Denise writes that when she tried to reach Prince in 1994 or 1995, she believes that it was Nona that got in the way.

With regard to drug use… she admits that she never saw him take anything.

Her retrospective speculation about the possibility of drug use hints at self-blame,

as to say “there was this time when…” and

“maybe I should have notice” or

“maybe I should have paid more attention?” But didn’t.

If I read it and analyze her book, would I see her as an overendulged silly little girl who was allow to be silly?

Her patience paying off... smiley face, for example.

He's always been a target, even in death... the question is did she knowingly target him then and now?

These were just thoughts from the little I found online.

I'll say no more about her or her book unless I read it all.

[Edited 4/2/17 20:10pm]

[Edited 4/2/17 21:06pm]

TOB said:

Vashtix said:

Ah… I see.

Honestly, that is not what I expected.

For clarity, I just did a quick search to get some understanding on what is being said.

My first thought… pedophile? Oh hell NO! People should learn how to use a dictionary.

This man was not into hanging around playgrounds spying and lusting after prepubescent girls.

Legally, statutory rape? NO! Not even if they had sex “in his home” on the day they first met.

People should look up Minnesota state law on the matter.

Unseemly? Questionable? Hmmm… Now that would depend on who you question…

the current, 70yr old President Donald Trump whose wife is 3 years older than Mayte (a 27 year difference),

90 year old Hugh Hefner whose wife of 5 years turns 30 next week (a 60 year difference)…?

Prince was 29 or had just turned 30 (a 13 year difference) when they met.

Furthermore, for perspective, let’s not forget the very public romance between then 14 and 24 year old Priscilla and Elvis Presley from 1959 through 1967.

Unseemly with regard to what, societal norms?

Why a bunch of old grown men get together write such laws, Yes, it is very unseemly.

Age of consent 16, but can’t vote until 18.

If we ask the US Congress to write a law to make the Voting Age and the Age of Consent the same,

would they raise the Consent age to 18 of lower the Voting age to 16?

Why does Prince get a Pass…? Please!!!

A pass for what, doing something dumb looking for his Umfufu?

I don't blame him if he took Eddie Murphy's RAW routine seriously.

And why argue the point of marrying someone younger

as if it were some kind of wonderful benefit reserved for the rich and famous.

Poor nobodies can be just as foolish, it’s just that nobody really cares.

Personally the thought alone is actually exhausting?

You can keep that “Pass,” that is just too much worry and work.

I never want to have to try to keep up with someone younger, or feel I need to hide my age, my aches and pains.

Romancing a 16 year old seems to be the most problematic part I’ve seen so far.

Problematic for her if she doesn't have clear proof.

I’ve had more than a few girls and then women assume too much when paid a little extra attention.

I was 20 when one teenage girl made a scene at a wedding, her parents told me I needed to be taught a lesson

that I just can't go around being nice, that it will be taken for more.

With Prince it wasn’t like it was an issue of needing his ego stroked,

not 27 years ago in 1990 through 1996. And not when at any time he could step on any stage

or step through any door and be catered to.

DeBorah was round back then, with Tony Lemans being another one of Prince protégés.

Denise writes that when she tried to reach Prince in 1994 or 1995, she believes that it was Nona that got in the way.

With regard to drug use… she admits that she never saw him take anything.

Her retrospective speculation about the possibility of drug use hints at self-blame,

as to say “there was this time when…” and

“maybe I should have notice” or

“maybe I should have paid more attention?” But didn’t.

If I read it and analyze her book, would I see her as an overendulged silly little girl who was allow to be silly?

Her patience paying off... smiley face, for example.

He's always been a target, even in death... the question is did she knowingly target him then and now?

These were just thoughts from the little I found online.

I'll say no more about her or her book unless I read it all.

[Edited 4/2/17 20:10pm]

[Edited 4/2/17 21:06pm]

Hey TOB. Good to see you back!

Interesting about Nona being in the way when Denise tried to contact Prince. Hmmm...

BINGO to the bold. That's my issue with her book, not that she wrote one. I read a bootleg transcript of it, which may not be the completed version, but the excerpts referenced in the media do match what I read. Why make those insinuations/ retrospective spectulations, even if they were self-blame, knowing that the media is ready to devour them and make salacious headlines? She knows this. Look at how they rabidly went after Mani's sealed divorce papers, taking her and the estate to court only to search for a story/ headline.

Like you said, he's always been a target and probably always will be.

No Laura, you are and have been attacking her.

laurarichardson said:

SpookyNopetopus said:

Yeah, I know that, Laura. My point, however, is that she's been relentlessly attacked for behavior that is essentially the same as a lot of people on the org's. Sometimes really irrational, sometimes nasty, whatever. There's this expectation tat seems to be happening on this board, where because this is stuff Prince gave her, she should hold on to it, perhaps enshrine it somewhere and worship it because /Prince/ gave it to her -- and that's an unreasonable expectation. Yes, Prince was a great musician who should be appreciated for his great talent -- you'll never see me disagree with that. Where I do disagree with a lot of people is that Mayte should somehow forget the bad times she had with Prince because 'she couldn't possibly have had a bad time with him, he's so perfect!' Nope, I don't believe that for a second. I didn't know the man, but I'm pretty sure he did some things that were terrible. He's her ex, for chrissakes. Nobody but them knows what happened during their relationship, and I'm more likely to want to find out from her what happened than from a rumor mill or other second or third hand accounts. She may very well be the devil's spawn, I don't know. I don't know her, never kept up with her life (and as I've said before, I had no idea they dated or were married until the Oprah show. Sure, I knew she appeared in the 7 video, but it simply never occured to me that there was anything else going on with them. I mean, lol, I didn't really care about that kind of thing regarding /any/ singer I was a fan of. I just didn't have access -- or interest! -- in that level of his life.) or his.

Well, if Graceland or his family wanted the stuff, they could very well ask her for it, it's not her responsibility to go to them and offer it. It's hers to do with as she pleases. Nobody has to /like/ what she does with it, but they do have to accept that they're her possessions, ans she's the only one who gets to decide what to do with it. Attacking her over is it just plain silly. Why do you (general you) care so damned much about what she's doing or not doing? I only got curious because what the hell is all the fuss about over this woman? She's probably a bit dramatic, but have you read the threads here? A lot of his fans are a bit dramatic. His ex-lovers are a bit dramatic. His employees are a bit dramatic. Everyone connected to Prince is a bit dramatic. A music icon has died, people are going to be dramatic and irrational and crazy. It's upsetting, I get it -- but why so much negativity over this female in particular?

If you want her to not get attention, stop worrying about what she does, she can't really damage Prince all that much unless you give her more attention. The best way to make this go away is to freaking ignore it. People are going to think whatever they want to about Prince, no matter what you do. Some will think he was a drug addicted nutcase, some will think he was causing the downfall of morality in America, some people will be neutral, some won't care. I'm just saying, instead of wasting energy trying to show Mayte up as 'the devil', go ahead and put all that energy into introducing people to Prince's great music. You'd be doing more for who he was as a musician. Share your great times of visiting Paisley Park, going to concerts, that time you met him and he was awesome/funny/nice/cool.

She is not being relentlessly attacked she is getting the scrutiny you are going to get when you put your personal life out in the public. If you look outside of the Prince community no one really gives a crap about what she has to say. On Facebook pages she is getting dragged much harder then on this board. As far as thinking Prince was perfect who on this board ever said that he got dragged on this board for real as well as made up crap. I do not think he was perfect but I know M1 is not perfect as know one is and she does not seem interested in telling on herself and to be honest Prince never did not so much as mentioned her name after they divorced he did not drag her which I think is pretty good for the man she cannot be adult enough to forgive. I have an opinion and I have a right to express it just like you have a right and she has a right. [Edited 4/1/17 10:50am]

Instead of a bootleg cop which you admit might not even be correct, try reading the real one. Then get back to us.

purplegirl00 said:

TOB said:

Ah… I see.

Honestly, that is not what I expected.

For clarity, I just did a quick search to get some understanding on what is being said.

My first thought… pedophile? Oh hell NO! People should learn how to use a dictionary.

This man was not into hanging around playgrounds spying and lusting after prepubescent girls.

Legally, statutory rape? NO! Not even if they had sex “in his home” on the day they first met.

People should look up Minnesota state law on the matter.

Unseemly? Questionable? Hmmm… Now that would depend on who you question…

the current, 70yr old President Donald Trump whose wife is 3 years older than Mayte (a 27 year difference),

90 year old Hugh Hefner whose wife of 5 years turns 30 next week (a 60 year difference)…?

Prince was 29 or had just turned 30 (a 13 year difference) when they met.

Furthermore, for perspective, let’s not forget the very public romance between then 14 and 24 year old Priscilla and Elvis Presley from 1959 through 1967.

Unseemly with regard to what, societal norms?

Why a bunch of old grown men get together write such laws, Yes, it is very unseemly.

Age of consent 16, but can’t vote until 18.

If we ask the US Congress to write a law to make the Voting Age and the Age of Consent the same,

would they raise the Consent age to 18 of lower the Voting age to 16?

Why does Prince get a Pass…? Please!!!

A pass for what, doing something dumb looking for his Umfufu?

I don't blame him if he took Eddie Murphy's RAW routine seriously.

And why argue the point of marrying someone younger

as if it were some kind of wonderful benefit reserved for the rich and famous.

Poor nobodies can be just as foolish, it’s just that nobody really cares.

Personally the thought alone is actually exhausting?

You can keep that “Pass,” that is just too much worry and work.

I never want to have to try to keep up with someone younger, or feel I need to hide my age, my aches and pains.

Romancing a 16 year old seems to be the most problematic part I’ve seen so far.

Problematic for her if she doesn't have clear proof.

I’ve had more than a few girls and then women assume too much when paid a little extra attention.

I was 20 when one teenage girl made a scene at a wedding, her parents told me I needed to be taught a lesson

that I just can't go around being nice, that it will be taken for more.

With Prince it wasn’t like it was an issue of needing his ego stroked,

not 27 years ago in 1990 through 1996. And not when at any time he could step on any stage

or step through any door and be catered to.

DeBorah was round back then, with Tony Lemans being another one of Prince protégés.

Denise writes that when she tried to reach Prince in 1994 or 1995, she believes that it was Nona that got in the way.

With regard to drug use… she admits that she never saw him take anything.

Her retrospective speculation about the possibility of drug use hints at self-blame,

as to say “there was this time when…” and

“maybe I should have notice” or

“maybe I should have paid more attention?” But didn’t.

If I read it and analyze her book, would I see her as an overendulged silly little girl who was allow to be silly?

Her patience paying off... smiley face, for example.

He's always been a target, even in death... the question is did she knowingly target him then and now?

These were just thoughts from the little I found online.

I'll say no more about her or her book unless I read it all.

[Edited 4/2/17 20:10pm]

[Edited 4/2/17 21:06pm]

Hey TOB. Good to see you back!

Interesting about Nona being in the way when Denise tried to contact Prince. Hmmm...

BINGO to the bold. That's my issue with her book, not that she wrote one. I read a bootleg transcript of it, which may not be the completed version, but the excerpts referenced in the media do match what I read. Why make those insinuations/ retrospective spectulations, even if they were self-blame, knowing that the media is ready to devour them and make salacious headlines? She knows this. Look at how they rabidly went after Mani's sealed divorce papers, taking her and the estate to court only to search for a story/ headline.

Like you said, he's always been a target and probably always will be.

The information that are in the excerpts is the same info that was in the bootlegg copy. I think this has been discussed a 1000 times already.

PennyPurple said:

Instead of a bootleg cop which you admit might not even be correct, try reading the real one. Then get back to us.

purplegirl00 said:

Hey TOB. Good to see you back!

Interesting about Nona being in the way when Denise tried to contact Prince. Hmmm...

BINGO to the bold. That's my issue with her book, not that she wrote one. I read a bootleg transcript of it, which may not be the completed version, but the excerpts referenced in the media do match what I read. Why make those insinuations/ retrospective spectulations, even if they were self-blame, knowing that the media is ready to devour them and make salacious headlines? She knows this. Look at how they rabidly went after Mani's sealed divorce papers, taking her and the estate to court only to search for a story/ headline.

Like you said, he's always been a target and probably always will be.

laurarichardson said:

The information that are in the excerpts is the same info that was in the bootlegg copy. I think this has been discussed a 1000 times already.

PennyPurple said:

Instead of a bootleg cop which you admit might not even be correct, try reading the real one. Then get back to us.

I wasn't talking to you, now was I? I was replying to someone else's comment.

Well that does not stop you.

PennyPurple said:

laurarichardson said:

The information that are in the excerpts is the same info that was in the bootlegg copy. I think this has been discussed a 1000 times already.

I wasn't talking to you, now was I? I was replying to someone else's comment.

PennyPurple said:

It's been discussed over and over. I've only mentioned it as a point of reference. I'm confident the transcript is close, if not, the final product. The excerpts the media has ARE exactly what's in there. I' I don't need to get back to you on ANYTHING.

laurarichardson said:

morningsong said:

Hmm, I didn't know Owen was a part of all this.

Yes he teamed up with Mayte. See the info from the auction site about the back story and why the stuff was pulled.

Prince Worn Jewelry
>
> In March 2016, one month before Prince died, we at NateDSanders.com Auction House, had Prince worn jewelry at auction consigned by his first wife, Mayte Garcia. We knew that Prince was very litigious so we were worried about having Prince worn jewelry at a public auction given that he sued almost every frivolous thing. We asked Mayte if he was going to sue and she said: “Prince doesn’t want to mess with me.” A month later, Prince sued, and we pulled the items from the auction. It wasn’t that we didn’t think that we could win the auction, it just wasn’t worth the time and money to fight Prince. A month after that, Prince died. Now, Prince worn jewelry would be worth fighting a lawsuit for as his jewelry could sell for $10,000, $20,000, $30,000 and up. Back then, Prince worn jewelry was much harder to sell. His death brought great demand for his memorabilia. Here are descriptions and pictures of the Prince worn jewelry at our auction:"
> ========
> Source: http://natedsanders.com/b...n-jewelry/

Thats a veiled threat.......