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Reply #540 posted 04/16/17 5:36pm

purplegirl00

Toban said:

purplegirl00 said:

Thanks for clarifying! It makes sense. I hadn't seen where the jewelry box was mentioned before you brought up the size. So when you said that now that people are aware of it, you wondered if there were other items for auction. I thought that meant the jewelry box was one. I wasn't sure if I missed something in earlier pages. I'm sorry if I misunderstood.

You are correct. My post was out of the blue.

I had been ask about the jewelry box, but thought it rude and did not wish to post on PennyPurple's book thread since I had not read the book.

Sorry for the confusion.

DeBorah had recently spoken about a jewelry box, both hers and his.

Her description makes me believe that there was more than one box, a much, much larger box.

Ah! thumbs up! Sometimes the threads move too fast and I can't keep up, or they move too slow and I go to other discussions. I thought maybe I missed something in between that.

On one of the late night, Joan Rivers interview from '86, she mentioned to Joan that she was working on a project with rhinestones and pearls that took up the diningroom or livingroom (can't remember which). I looked for it, but I think the interview has since been taken down. Anyway.. perhaps there was a bigger box.

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Reply #541 posted 04/16/17 5:41pm

Misslink88

NotACleverName said:

Misslink88 said:

There is a difference in auctioning off your own items and items worn/owned by P. The link I posted on the auction in this thread contained ALL the items that were listed with Nate D. Saunders. There was no jewelry box included. Mayte's lot was several of his stage worn costumes and jewelry, their china, her engagement ring and notes, plus some other things.

Owen had the guitar, tapes and notes. They were separate lots but were combined into one sale because they were Prince related.

Those were HER items.....if you had read the book, you would realize that she was AWARDED the HOUSE in SPAIN and ALL the CONTENTS in the final divorce decree. Irregardless of the fact that Prince wore them, they were hers, for all intents and purposes, to do with as she pleased. It has also been mentioned that she made several attempts to return them to Prince. Additionally, there was also a podcast, that those who were questioning why the auction was stopped, were referred to that explained, in fact, the auction was stopped by Prince because of the items Owen Husney had listed. Mayte's items had been combined with Owen's and therefore, the sale her items were stopped by default. Prince did not go after Mayte.

Maybe this time it will stick - I read her book; he sued on the grounds that she did not have a right to physical possession and he sued MAYTE per this article. You may wish to contact Nate D. Saunders and tell them to stop posting lies because Mayte said she got the contents in her book and they must have read his letter or lawsuit all wrong. Unfortunately, lawyers cannot speak on the matter.

Many Prince Stage Worn Costume Lots Were Auctioned at NateDSanders.com by Ex-Wife

To buy, consign or sell Prince stage worn costume to http://www.NateDSanders.com Auction House, please call (310) 440-2982 or email Nate@NateDSanders.com.

Prince stage worn costume

In February 2016, Prince’s first wife, Mayte Garcia, came over our office and consigned her whole collection of Prince stage worn costume lots to us. In March 2016, we ran the auction, with a massive amount of press including “Rolling Stone” covering the auction especially the Prince stage worn costume lots. Two things happened. First, nobody was that interested. Second, Prince sued us and Mayte, claiming that she did not have legal possession of the Prince stage worn costume lots. We agreed to pull the auction and let Prince deal with Mayte to figure out the ownership issues. We did find out that in Minnesota where Prince divorced Mayte that supposedly when the marriage breaks up, whoever ends up with whatever keeps those items, probably making it difficult for Prince to win his case if he was going to continue to sue Mayte. Then, one month later, Prince died, and Mayte got to keep the Prince stage worn costume lots for herself. After Prince died, everybody decided they wanted to collect Prince stage worn costume lots plus everything else Prince memorabilia, and if we had auctioned them again, after his death, they would have sold for a mega-fortune. Here are some of the Prince stage worn costume lots.

http://natedsanders.com/blog/2016/10/prince-stage-worn-costume/

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Reply #542 posted 04/16/17 6:02pm

Vashtix

Misslink88 said:



NotACleverName said:


Misslink88 said:


There is a difference in auctioning off your own items and items worn/owned by P. The link I posted on the auction in this thread contained ALL the items that were listed with Nate D. Saunders. There was no jewelry box included. Mayte's lot was several of his stage worn costumes and jewelry, their china, her engagement ring and notes, plus some other things.


Owen had the guitar, tapes and notes. They were separate lots but were combined into one sale because they were Prince related.



Those were HER items.....if you had read the book, you would realize that she was AWARDED the HOUSE in SPAIN and ALL the CONTENTS in the final divorce decree. Irregardless of the fact that Prince wore them, they were hers, for all intents and purposes, to do with as she pleased. It has also been mentioned that she made several attempts to return them to Prince. Additionally, there was also a podcast, that those who were questioning why the auction was stopped, were referred to that explained, in fact, the auction was stopped by Prince because of the items Owen Husney had listed. Mayte's items had been combined with Owen's and therefore, the sale her items were stopped by default. Prince did not go after Mayte.

Maybe this time it will stick - I read her book; he sued on the grounds that she did not have a right to physical possession and he sued MAYTE per this article. You may wish to contact Nate D. Saunders and tell them to stop posting lies because Mayte said she got the contents in her book and they must have read his letter or lawsuit all wrong. Unfortunately, lawyers cannot speak on the matter.



Many Prince Stage Worn Costume Lots Were Auctioned at NateDSanders.com by Ex-Wife




To buy, consign or sell Prince stage worn costume to http://www.NateDSanders.com Auction House, please call (310) 440-2982 or email Nate@NateDSanders.com.


Prince stage worn costume


In February 2016, Prince’s first wife, Mayte Garcia, came over our office and consigned her whole collection of Prince stage worn costume lots to us. In March 2016, we ran the auction, with a massive amount of press including “Rolling Stone” covering the auction especially the Prince stage worn costume lots. Two things happened. First, nobody was that interested. Second, Prince sued us and Mayte, claiming that she did not have legal possession of the Prince stage worn costume lots. We agreed to pull the auction and let Prince deal with Mayte to figure out the ownership issues. We did find out that in Minnesota where Prince divorced Mayte that supposedly when the marriage breaks up, whoever ends up with whatever keeps those items, probably making it difficult for Prince to win his case if he was going to continue to sue Mayte. Then, one month later, Prince died, and Mayte got to keep the Prince stage worn costume lots for herself. After Prince died, everybody decided they wanted to collect Prince stage worn costume lots plus everything else Prince memorabilia, and if we had auctioned them again, after his death, they would have sold for a mega-fortune. Here are some of the Prince stage worn costume lots.



http://natedsanders.com/blog/2016/10/prince-stage-worn-costume/




Clearly states why Prince sues M1
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Reply #543 posted 04/16/17 6:02pm

NotACleverName

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Toban said:



NotACleverName said:


PennyPurple said:

No, I do not believe that Mayte was ever in possession of that box. I believe Prince still had it in his bedroom, at least that was what people were saying here on the org. Again, Mayte has never been in possession of that box.


I hear ya, Penny! I don't know how many times you need to clarify that Mayte was NEVER, EVER in possession of said jewelry box before they get it. This concerted effort to find fault with Mayte and her actions is getting tiresome. I actually tried finding the thread that discussed the jewelry box in question but it might have been on a thread that was pulled. I did find this thread, however: http://prince.org/msg/5/4...&pg=2. Interestingly, TOB participated (Reply #38) and indicated Denise was waiting on approval to post on the org. Wonder what ever happened. Anyhoo, it appeared Denise was selling Vanity memorabilia and some were questioning how she could do that when she claimed to have destroyed EVERYTHING related to her time as Vanity. I guess no past associate of Prince's is above peddling their wares.
Was there a question somewhere in there? I remain objective. Why people chose to not see it is beyond me. If Denise read threads and chose not to engage here after waiting the 5 days to post it is very understandable. Back then I suggested that she come here. Today, I definitely couldn't recommend it. Because she had destroyed so many things Denise had to collect items from friends and family to write her book. Some people would send pictures for her to sign and she'd make copies. I noticed most of the news paper articles were from Canandian papers. Others had been signed by her when she given it to someone, and had ask for it back when she was started her book. Any other questions? This is my first comment on this thread regarding Mayte auctioning "her" things. #34 Without knowing anything about Mayte this is my first thought… She should sell all the stuff that means so much to so many others, because that “stuff” is rarely, if ever, as important or as precious as those odd particular little items that seemingly hold no monetary value. Those pieces that spark a memory, which no else knows its meaning, which would be auctioned off for pennies, those are the ones you secret away, hold close, those are the ones you keep. It may offend his fans, but in time most will understand the difficulty in living in a constant contradiction of the twilight, cast by the light of a superstar and then his shadow. Even to find his afterglow nonetheless blinding and too overshadowing. Remember at the end of the movie “Notting Hill?” During her press conference, in a room filled with news reporters, due to her celebrity they both knew what would happen the moment they acknowledged their relationship. The hope to trust, a leap of faith and on her promise the life he had known immediately came to an end. She had been through it, was used to it and was prepared for it… but there was no way possible that he was prepared for it. Prince made a similar promise to Mayte. Where her life ended and their life began, or rather where her life became a part, a portion or an extension of his. However, that portion of his life was entrusted as a gifted promise to her. An invitation to freely do with as she pleases… as his friend, as his muse as his wife and as the mother of his child. And now, while still feeling an obligatory burden to continue carrying the many secrets of their private life, she shouldn’t have to burden herself with also carrying material “things.” I’d advise her to give away, lend, lease and or sell everything to those that find equal if not more value in them than she does. Just a thought.

Go back to Reply #525.....your reply. The following are your first two paragraphs.

"To be fair Mayte wasn't the only person involved in that auction.
But since people know about the jewelry box I am now curious about all the other items that were up for auction.

To be honest that would change things. Something like that would be worth stopping an auction.
Pieces like that have significant meaning. If she had it or some other things like it and she knew its history that is a completely different story
."


This is not in response to anyone asking you about the jewelry box. You simply began to, cleverly, insinuate that if she took the jewelry box, knowing the story behind it and including it in the auction, that would be sufficient enough reason for Prince to pull it.

I'm sorry, but I don't see that your posts about Mayte are as "objective" as you claim. Case in point....the reply in which you ponder whether or not the guardianship would be viewed as an adoption thereby entitling Mayte to petition the courts to be designated an heir! That, my friend, is called stirthepot because it has been made undeniably clear it was deemed legal guardianship. Nothing more, nothing less.

So, now I have a question. Why even go there?
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Reply #544 posted 04/16/17 6:05pm

PennyPurple

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NotACleverName said:

Misslink88 said:

There is a difference in auctioning off your own items and items worn/owned by P. The link I posted on the auction in this thread contained ALL the items that were listed with Nate D. Saunders. There was no jewelry box included. Mayte's lot was several of his stage worn costumes and jewelry, their china, her engagement ring and notes, plus some other things.

Owen had the guitar, tapes and notes. They were separate lots but were combined into one sale because they were Prince related.

Those were HER items.....if you had read the book, you would realize that she was AWARDED the HOUSE in SPAIN and ALL the CONTENTS in the final divorce decree. Irregardless of the fact that Prince wore them, they were hers, for all intents and purposes, to do with as she pleased. It has also been mentioned that she made several attempts to return them to Prince. Additionally, there was also a podcast, that those who were questioning why the auction was stopped, were referred to that explained, in fact, the auction was stopped by Prince because of the items Owen Husney had listed. Mayte's items had been combined with Owen's and therefore, the sale her items were stopped by default. Prince did not go after Mayte.

Yes, what NotACleverName is saying is the way that it happened. It was no longer Prince's property, it was Mayte's and she didn't steal it, either.

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Reply #545 posted 04/16/17 6:15pm

PennyPurple

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NotACleverName said:

PennyPurple said:

No, I do not believe that Mayte was ever in possession of that box. I believe Prince still had it in his bedroom, at least that was what people were saying here on the org. Again, Mayte has never been in possession of that box.

I hear ya, Penny! I don't know how many times you need to clarify that Mayte was NEVER, EVER in possession of said jewelry box before they get it. This concerted effort to find fault with Mayte and her actions is getting tiresome. I actually tried finding the thread that discussed the jewelry box in question but it might have been on a thread that was pulled. I did find this thread, however: http://prince.org/msg/5/4...&pg=2. Interestingly, TOB participated (Reply #38) and indicated Denise was waiting on approval to post on the org. Wonder what ever happened. Anyhoo, it appeared Denise was selling Vanity memorabilia and some were questioning how she could do that when she claimed to have destroyed EVERYTHING related to her time as Vanity. I guess no past associate of Prince's is above peddling their wares.

Thanks for the link, it was very interesting, I wonder if that kmuseq dude was Prince?

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Reply #546 posted 04/16/17 6:41pm

Misslink88

PennyPurple said:

NotACleverName said:

Misslink88 said: Those were HER items.....if you had read the book, you would realize that she was AWARDED the HOUSE in SPAIN and ALL the CONTENTS in the final divorce decree. Irregardless of the fact that Prince wore them, they were hers, for all intents and purposes, to do with as she pleased. It has also been mentioned that she made several attempts to return them to Prince. Additionally, there was also a podcast, that those who were questioning why the auction was stopped, were referred to that explained, in fact, the auction was stopped by Prince because of the items Owen Husney had listed. Mayte's items had been combined with Owen's and therefore, the sale her items were stopped by default. Prince did not go after Mayte.

Yes, what NotACleverName is saying is the way that it happened. It was no longer Prince's property, it was Mayte's and she didn't steal it, either.

What NotACleverName is saying is what she read in a book. WhatRealLife is saying is she got sued and the acution got pulled.

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Reply #547 posted 04/16/17 7:15pm

Vashtix

Misslink88 said:

PennyPurple said:

Yes, what NotACleverName is saying is the way that it happened. It was no longer Prince's property, it was Mayte's and she didn't steal it, either.

What NotACleverName is saying is what she read in a book. WhatRealLife is saying is she got sued and the acution got pulled.

Book reality and Real Life reality 2 very different things.

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Reply #548 posted 04/16/17 7:52pm

Toban

NotACleverName said:

Toban said:

Was there a question somewhere in there? I remain objective. Why people chose to not see it is beyond me. If Denise read threads and chose not to engage here after waiting the 5 days to post it is very understandable. Back then I suggested that she come here. Today, I definitely couldn't recommend it. Because she had destroyed so many things Denise had to collect items from friends and family to write her book. Some people would send pictures for her to sign and she'd make copies. I noticed most of the news paper articles were from Canandian papers. Others had been signed by her when she given it to someone, and had ask for it back when she was started her book. Any other questions? This is my first comment on this thread regarding Mayte auctioning "her" things. #34 Without knowing anything about Mayte this is my first thought… She should sell all the stuff that means so much to so many others, because that “stuff” is rarely, if ever, as important or as precious as those odd particular little items that seemingly hold no monetary value. Those pieces that spark a memory, which no else knows its meaning, which would be auctioned off for pennies, those are the ones you secret away, hold close, those are the ones you keep. It may offend his fans, but in time most will understand the difficulty in living in a constant contradiction of the twilight, cast by the light of a superstar and then his shadow. Even to find his afterglow nonetheless blinding and too overshadowing. Remember at the end of the movie “Notting Hill?” During her press conference, in a room filled with news reporters, due to her celebrity they both knew what would happen the moment they acknowledged their relationship. The hope to trust, a leap of faith and on her promise the life he had known immediately came to an end. She had been through it, was used to it and was prepared for it… but there was no way possible that he was prepared for it. Prince made a similar promise to Mayte. Where her life ended and their life began, or rather where her life became a part, a portion or an extension of his. However, that portion of his life was entrusted as a gifted promise to her. An invitation to freely do with as she pleases… as his friend, as his muse as his wife and as the mother of his child. And now, while still feeling an obligatory burden to continue carrying the many secrets of their private life, she shouldn’t have to burden herself with also carrying material “things.” I’d advise her to give away, lend, lease and or sell everything to those that find equal if not more value in them than she does. Just a thought.
Go back to Reply #525.....your reply. The following are your first two paragraphs. "To be fair Mayte wasn't the only person involved in that auction. But since people know about the jewelry box I am now curious about all the other items that were up for auction. To be honest that would change things. Something like that would be worth stopping an auction. Pieces like that have significant meaning. If she had it or some other things like it and she knew its history that is a completely different story." This is not in response to anyone asking you about the jewelry box. You simply began to, cleverly, insinuate that if she took the jewelry box, knowing the story behind it and including it in the auction, that would be sufficient enough reason for Prince to pull it. I'm sorry, but I don't see that your posts about Mayte are as "objective" as you claim. Case in point....the reply in which you ponder whether or not the guardianship would be viewed as an adoption thereby entitling Mayte to petition the courts to be designated an heir! That, my friend, is called stirthepot because it has been made undeniably clear it was deemed legal guardianship. Nothing more, nothing less. So, now I have a question. Why even go there?

That is contradictory moronic logic not worth an argument. Simply because you are ignorant to a particular matter of law, you accuse me of stirring the pot. Either read the laws and the court decisions, explain why it is impossible for her to have been “informally” adopted base on known laws and then get back to me on telling me my intent.

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You are ignorant to my reason for mentioning the jewelry box, and this somehow allows you to assume I meant to point an accusing finger at Mayte, and this warrants your bring up some old thread regarding Denise, and to prove or accuse us of what?

I was ask about the jewelry box because it had been mentioned on PennyPurple’s book thread, with regard to Prince keeping Vanity’s jewelry box but not his own son’s ashes. As a father this not something I wanted promoted.

My initial response was to say, that jewelry box is huge and could not be easily moved, and it should not be used to compare such an issue.

The way that box had been described over the years you’d think it had been built into the floor or a wall of the house.

.

You assume I hate while revealing your own hate.

You assume each post on this thread is something negative to be attack without first asking for clarity.

This is ignorant. You are danger to yourself and to the people you believe you are protecting for responding in such a thoughtless manner.

.

In my hate filled clever attack you believe my intent is to make people think Mayte is a thief, saying she took the jewelry box.

Now here is the dilemma it has caused. A person that makes such leaps to believe the worst in people would expect me to gloat over Prince keeping Vanity’s jewelry box over Mayte’s son’s ashes.

When in fact I was attempting to avoid such an equally moronic discussion because of you. To simply provide context and a possible alternative reason for his keeping the box, leaving Denise and their son out of it.

.

Again, no matter how much I remain objective there will always be rude and ignorant people assuming and accusing instead of forming a question and asking.

[Edited 4/16/17 20:06pm]

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Reply #549 posted 04/16/17 8:10pm

Misslink88

Vashtix said:

Misslink88 said:

What NotACleverName is saying is what she read in a book. WhatRealLife is saying is she got sued and the acution got pulled.

Book reality and Real Life reality 2 very different things.

Vashtix, I think we've found the source of the confusion.

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Reply #550 posted 04/16/17 8:36pm

morningsong

Toban said:



NotACleverName said:


Toban said:


Was there a question somewhere in there? I remain objective. Why people chose to not see it is beyond me. If Denise read threads and chose not to engage here after waiting the 5 days to post it is very understandable. Back then I suggested that she come here. Today, I definitely couldn't recommend it. Because she had destroyed so many things Denise had to collect items from friends and family to write her book. Some people would send pictures for her to sign and she'd make copies. I noticed most of the news paper articles were from Canandian papers. Others had been signed by her when she given it to someone, and had ask for it back when she was started her book. Any other questions? This is my first comment on this thread regarding Mayte auctioning "her" things. #34 Without knowing anything about Mayte this is my first thought… She should sell all the stuff that means so much to so many others, because that “stuff” is rarely, if ever, as important or as precious as those odd particular little items that seemingly hold no monetary value. Those pieces that spark a memory, which no else knows its meaning, which would be auctioned off for pennies, those are the ones you secret away, hold close, those are the ones you keep. It may offend his fans, but in time most will understand the difficulty in living in a constant contradiction of the twilight, cast by the light of a superstar and then his shadow. Even to find his afterglow nonetheless blinding and too overshadowing. Remember at the end of the movie “Notting Hill?” During her press conference, in a room filled with news reporters, due to her celebrity they both knew what would happen the moment they acknowledged their relationship. The hope to trust, a leap of faith and on her promise the life he had known immediately came to an end. She had been through it, was used to it and was prepared for it… but there was no way possible that he was prepared for it. Prince made a similar promise to Mayte. Where her life ended and their life began, or rather where her life became a part, a portion or an extension of his. However, that portion of his life was entrusted as a gifted promise to her. An invitation to freely do with as she pleases… as his friend, as his muse as his wife and as the mother of his child. And now, while still feeling an obligatory burden to continue carrying the many secrets of their private life, she shouldn’t have to burden herself with also carrying material “things.” I’d advise her to give away, lend, lease and or sell everything to those that find equal if not more value in them than she does. Just a thought.

Go back to Reply #525.....your reply. The following are your first two paragraphs. "To be fair Mayte wasn't the only person involved in that auction. But since people know about the jewelry box I am now curious about all the other items that were up for auction. To be honest that would change things. Something like that would be worth stopping an auction. Pieces like that have significant meaning. If she had it or some other things like it and she knew its history that is a completely different story." This is not in response to anyone asking you about the jewelry box. You simply began to, cleverly, insinuate that if she took the jewelry box, knowing the story behind it and including it in the auction, that would be sufficient enough reason for Prince to pull it. I'm sorry, but I don't see that your posts about Mayte are as "objective" as you claim. Case in point....the reply in which you ponder whether or not the guardianship would be viewed as an adoption thereby entitling Mayte to petition the courts to be designated an heir! That, my friend, is called stirthepot because it has been made undeniably clear it was deemed legal guardianship. Nothing more, nothing less. So, now I have a question. Why even go there?

That is contradictory moronic logic not worth an argument. Simply because you are ignorant to a particular matter of law, you accuse me of stirring the pot. Either read the laws and the court decisions, explain why it is impossible for her to have been “informally” adopted base on known laws and then get back to me on telling me my intent.


.


You are ignorant to my reason for mentioning the jewelry box, and this somehow allows you to assume I meant to point an accusing finger at Mayte, and this warrants your bring up some old thread regarding Denise, and to prove or accuse us of what?


I was ask about the jewelry box because it had been mentioned on PennyPurple’s book thread, with regard to Prince keeping Vanity’s jewelry box but not his own son’s ashes. As a father this not something I wanted promoted.


My initial response was to say, that jewelry box is huge and could not be easily moved, and it should not be used to compare such an issue.


The way that box had been described over the years you’d think it had been built into the floor or a wall of the house.


.


You assume I hate while revealing your own hate.


You assume each post on this thread is something negative to be attack without first asking for clarity.


This is ignorant. You are danger to yourself and to the people you believe you are protecting for responding in such a thoughtless manner.


.


In my hate filled clever attack you believe my intent is to make people think Mayte is a thief, saying she took the jewelry box.


Now here is the dilemma it has caused. A person that makes such leaps to believe the worst in people would expect me to gloat over Prince keeping Vanity’s jewelry box over Mayte’s son’s ashes.


When in fact I was attempting to avoid such an equally moronic discussion because of you. To simply provide context and a possible alternative reason for his keeping the box, leaving Denise and their son out of it.


.


Again, no matter how much I remain objective there will always be rude and ignorant people assuming and accusing instead of forming a question and asking.


[Edited 4/16/17 20:06pm]



It's called a temporary guardianship agreement. Which doesn't lead to adoption. There is so much more to adoption than adoption for a parent than signing an agreement or else people wouldn't be having so much difficulty adopting in the US
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Reply #551 posted 04/16/17 8:37pm

Toban

PennyPurple said:

NotACleverName said:

PennyPurple said: I hear ya, Penny! I don't know how many times you need to clarify that Mayte was NEVER, EVER in possession of said jewelry box before they get it. This concerted effort to find fault with Mayte and her actions is getting tiresome. I actually tried finding the thread that discussed the jewelry box in question but it might have been on a thread that was pulled. I did find this thread, however: http://prince.org/msg/5/4...&pg=2. Interestingly, TOB participated (Reply #38) and indicated Denise was waiting on approval to post on the org. Wonder what ever happened. Anyhoo, it appeared Denise was selling Vanity memorabilia and some were questioning how she could do that when she claimed to have destroyed EVERYTHING related to her time as Vanity. I guess no past associate of Prince's is above peddling their wares.

Thanks for the link, it was very interesting, I wonder if that kmuseq dude was Prince?

Reply #953 posted 04/14/17 7:05pm

PennyPurple

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206Michelle said:

This whole concept of prince retreating into a fantasy world, which LBrent has articulated, is on clear display in chapters 9 and 10, specifically in how prince dealt with the Oprah show and the "Betcha By Golly Wow!" video.

I think it was his way to cope.

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What bothers me is that he kept a jewelry box that Vanity made him in his bedroom, but got rid of Amiirs urn.

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Some of the things he did just doesn't make much sense.

You question me. My question is, did you post this?

Did anyone question your intent?

To pressume to have some moral authority on this thread, and yet this is on your thread.

Where is the push back on this?

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Reply #552 posted 04/16/17 8:59pm

Toban

morningsong said:

Toban said:

It's called a temporary guardianship agreement. Which doesn't lead to adoption. There is so much more to adoption than adoption for a parent than signing an agreement or else people wouldn't be having so much difficulty adopting in the US

Probate court not family court, having solely to do with interstate laws of succession.

People have been raised as someones child, only to find that they were adopted but not a court order adoption.

This isn't discovered until after both parents have died, 20 or 30 years later. Informal Adoption, Constructive Adoption, Equitable Adoption are for situations such as this, where there was no ordered adoption. Where a child went to live with someone other than their genetic parents, that person took over parental duties.

There is an agruement that can be made both for and against in Mayte case. Most of which is now dependent upon Mayte's parents, and or a signed contract. Because of her age at the time Mayte might not know anything about.

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Reply #553 posted 04/16/17 9:08pm

Lovejunky

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Toban said:

morningsong said:

Toban said: It's called a temporary guardianship agreement. Which doesn't lead to adoption. There is so much more to adoption than adoption for a parent than signing an agreement or else people wouldn't be having so much difficulty adopting in the US

Probate court not family court, having solely to do with interstate laws of succession.

People have been raised as someones child, only to find that they were adopted but not a court order adoption.

This isn't discovered until after both parents have died, 20 or 30 years later. Informal Adoption, Constructive Adoption, Equitable Adoption are for situations such as this, where there was no ordered adoption. Where a child went to live with someone other than their genetic parents, that person took over parental duties.

There is an agruement that can be made both for and against in Mayte case. Most of which is now dependent upon Mayte's parents, and or a signed contract. Because of her age at the time Mayte might not know anything about.

Mayte addresses this in her book...Indeed she says she only recently came to know about Prince being assigned Legal Guardianship..and she clearly states it was a temporary arrangement until she reached 18 to expediate any paperwork that would have may needed to go past her Father first..

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Reply #554 posted 04/16/17 11:30pm

Ottensen

Vashtix said:

Misslink88 said:

What NotACleverName is saying is what she read in a book. WhatRealLife is saying is she got sued and the acution got pulled.

Book reality and Real Life reality 2 very different things.

As is the difference between reality and projections. Again, in the divorce decree, which is a legally binding document, she was awarded the house in Spain and all of its' contents, which includes the clothing her left behind.

coffee

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Reply #555 posted 04/17/17 3:11am

Vashtix

Misslink88 said:

Vashtix said:

Book reality and Real Life reality 2 very different things.

Vashtix, I think we've found the source of the confusion.

Yes and the pot stirring is the book. When you open up Pandora's box you cannot control the contents that disperse. When you try to manipulate and control a narrative you cannot tape/glue/ etc. Truth will seep out in ways you did not imagine.

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Reply #556 posted 04/17/17 4:42am

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I didn't realize I questioned your intent?? That post from me, is from a totally different thread which is the book club thread.........are you getting posters mixed up?? And I stand by my post. Prince had serious problems if he could keep a jewelry box and not his son's urn.Where did I question your intent?

Toban said:

PennyPurple said:

Reply #953 posted 04/14/17 7:05pm

PennyPurple

43820.ava

206Michelle said:

This whole concept of sym_prince.gif retreating into a fantasy world, which LBrent has articulated, is on clear display in chapters 9 and 10, specifically in how sym_prince.gif dealt with the Oprah show and the "Betcha By Golly Wow!" video.

I think it was his way to cope.

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What bothers me is that he kept a jewelry box that Vanity made him in his bedroom, but got rid of Amiirs urn.

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Some of the things he did just doesn't make much sense.

You question me. My question is, did you post this?

Did anyone question your intent?

To pressume to have some moral authority on this thread, and yet this is on your thread.

Where is the push back on this?

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Reply #557 posted 04/17/17 6:17am

Vashtix

PennyPurple said:

I didn't realize I questioned your intent?? That post from me, is from a totally different thread which is the book club thread.....are you getting posters mixed up?? And I stand by my post. Prince had serious problems if he could keep a jewelry box and not his son's urn.Where did I question your intent?



Toban said:




PennyPurple said:



Reply #953 posted 04/14/17 7:05pm



PennyPurple


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206Michelle said:


This whole concept of sym_prince.gif retreating into a fantasy world, which LBrent has articulated, is on clear display in chapters 9 and 10, specifically in how sym_prince.gif dealt with the Oprah show and the "Betcha By Golly Wow!" video.



I think it was his way to cope.


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What bothers me is that he kept a jewelry box that Vanity made him in his bedroom, but got rid of Amiirs urn.


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Some of the things he did just doesn't make much sense.




You question me. My question is, did you post this?


Did anyone question your intent?


To pressume to have some moral authority on this thread, and yet this is on your thread.


Where is the push back on this?




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Unless she saw Prince burn the urn. This idea of Prince destroying the urn is defamatory. She should not have put in her book unless she had facts.
She knows whatever she says some people will take as fact. It us based on gossip.
[Edited 4/17/17 6:19am]
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Reply #558 posted 04/17/17 7:25am

Misslink88

Ottensen said:

Vashtix said:

Book reality and Real Life reality 2 very different things.

As is the difference between reality and projections. Again, in the divorce decree, which is a legally binding document, she was awarded the house in Spain and all of its' contents, which includes the clothing her left behind.

coffee

How do you "project" that she got sued and the acution was closed down? Where was the divorce decree to uphold her legal position then?

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Reply #559 posted 04/17/17 7:40am

PennyPurple

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Vashtix said:

PennyPurple said:

I didn't realize I questioned your intent?? That post from me, is from a totally different thread which is the book club thread.........are you getting posters mixed up?? And I stand by my post. Prince had serious problems if he could keep a jewelry box and not his son's urn.Where did I question your intent?

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No one saw Prince do anything with the urn that was gossip . Unless there she saw it this urn subject is defamatory. She should not have put in her book unless she had facts. She knows whatever she says some people will take as fact. It us based on gossip. [Edited 4/17/17 6:19am]

Prince didn't do anything with the Urn he had his male assistant do it......

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She said she was told what happened, and that is a fact...that she was told what happened.

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She can put anything she wants in her book, it's HER book. lol lol

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Reply #560 posted 04/17/17 8:01am

LOVESYMBOLNUMB
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PennyPurple said:



Vashtix said:


PennyPurple said:

I didn't realize I questioned your intent?? That post from me, is from a totally different thread which is the book club thread.....are you getting posters mixed up?? And I stand by my post. Prince had serious problems if he could keep a jewelry box and not his son's urn.Where did I question your intent?


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No one saw Prince do anything with the urn that was gossip . Unless there she saw it this urn subject is defamatory. She should not have put in her book unless she had facts. She knows whatever she says some people will take as fact. It us based on gossip. [Edited 4/17/17 6:19am]

Prince didn't do anything with the Urn he had his male assistant do it.....


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She said she was told what happened, and that is a fact...that she was told what happened.


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She can put anything she wants in her book, it's HER book. lol lol






Yes, she can put anything she wants in her book, and then she can listen to people bitch about her asshole move. And she never said in her book that the urn story was fact, she said she was "told", the fact is she does not know
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Reply #561 posted 04/17/17 8:17am

Vashtix

PennyPurple said:



Vashtix said:


PennyPurple said:

I didn't realize I questioned your intent?? That post from me, is from a totally different thread which is the book club thread.....are you getting posters mixed up?? And I stand by my post. Prince had serious problems if he could keep a jewelry box and not his son's urn.Where did I question your intent?


[Edited 4/17/17 4:49am]



No one saw Prince do anything with the urn that was gossip . Unless there she saw it this urn subject is defamatory. She should not have put in her book unless she had facts. She knows whatever she says some people will take as fact. It us based on gossip. [Edited 4/17/17 6:19am]

Prince didn't do anything with the Urn he had his male assistant do it.....


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She said she was told what happened, and that is a fact...that she was told what happened.


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She can put anything she wants in her book, it's HER book. lol lol


But if something is defamatory It is. I have to question intent and motive. The information imo was included to do damage to Prince's image and how he will be perceived by the public years to come.
No one is perfect and Prince was no saint. He knew it too, listen his songs he repeatedly mentioned his flaws.
I just think the baby's urn and ashes is sacred. Accusing someone of that is huge. She had to know what the fall out
would be.
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Reply #562 posted 04/17/17 8:18am

Vashtix

PennyPurple said:



Vashtix said:


PennyPurple said:

I didn't realize I questioned your intent?? That post from me, is from a totally different thread which is the book club thread.....are you getting posters mixed up?? And I stand by my post. Prince had serious problems if he could keep a jewelry box and not his son's urn.Where did I question your intent?


[Edited 4/17/17 4:49am]



No one saw Prince do anything with the urn that was gossip . Unless there she saw it this urn subject is defamatory. She should not have put in her book unless she had facts. She knows whatever she says some people will take as fact. It us based on gossip. [Edited 4/17/17 6:19am]

Prince didn't do anything with the Urn he had his male assistant do it.....


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She said she was told what happened, and that is a fact...that she was told what happened.


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She can put anything she wants in her book, it's HER book. lol lol


But if something is defamatory It is. I have to question intent and motive. The information imo was included to do damage to Prince's image and how he will be perceived by the public years to come.
No one is perfect and Prince was no saint. He knew it too, listen his songs he repeatedly mentioned his flaws.
I just think the baby's urn and ashes is sacred. Accusing someone of that is huge. She had to know what the fall out
would be with the information about the urn.
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Reply #563 posted 04/17/17 8:25am

PennyPurple

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Vashtix said:

PennyPurple said:

Prince didn't do anything with the Urn he had his male assistant do it......

.

She said she was told what happened, and that is a fact...that she was told what happened.

.

She can put anything she wants in her book, it's HER book. lol lol

But if something is defamatory It is. I have to question intent and motive. The information imo was included to do damage to Prince's image and how he will be perceived by the public years to come. No one is perfect and Prince was no saint. He knew it too, listen his songs he repeatedly mentioned his flaws. I just think the baby's urn and ashes is sacred. Accusing someone of that is huge. She had to know what the fall out would be.

Looks like Prince has tarnished his own legacy, after seeing what those documents that were opened today said... neutral

[Edited 4/17/17 8:26am]

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Reply #564 posted 04/17/17 8:50am

Misslink88

What P did with pain medications for a physical, medical condition given to him by medical professionals fully aware of their addictive qualities, does not excuse what Mayte did. Ya'll can keep beating the "he would have given her a hug" for writing this book all you want, many, many people see it for what it is. You can't throw P under the bus in every circustance and situation and then claim, not only that you "loved" him but you will "eternally love him" and that you wrote it from "a loving place" while lining your pockets.

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Reply #565 posted 04/17/17 10:12am

LOVESYMBOLNUMB
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PennyPurple said:



Vashtix said:


PennyPurple said:


Prince didn't do anything with the Urn he had his male assistant do it.....


.


She said she was told what happened, and that is a fact...that she was told what happened.


.


She can put anything she wants in her book, it's HER book. lol lol



But if something is defamatory It is. I have to question intent and motive. The information imo was included to do damage to Prince's image and how he will be perceived by the public years to come. No one is perfect and Prince was no saint. He knew it too, listen his songs he repeatedly mentioned his flaws. I just think the baby's urn and ashes is sacred. Accusing someone of that is huge. She had to know what the fall out would be.

Looks like Prince has tarnished his own legacy, after seeing what those documents that were opened today said... neutral

[Edited 4/17/17 8:26am]






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Reply #566 posted 04/17/17 11:15am

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Toban said:



NotACleverName said:


Toban said:


Was there a question somewhere in there? I remain objective. Why people chose to not see it is beyond me. If Denise read threads and chose not to engage here after waiting the 5 days to post it is very understandable. Back then I suggested that she come here. Today, I definitely couldn't recommend it. Because she had destroyed so many things Denise had to collect items from friends and family to write her book. Some people would send pictures for her to sign and she'd make copies. I noticed most of the news paper articles were from Canandian papers. Others had been signed by her when she given it to someone, and had ask for it back when she was started her book. Any other questions? This is my first comment on this thread regarding Mayte auctioning "her" things. #34 Without knowing anything about Mayte this is my first thought… She should sell all the stuff that means so much to so many others, because that “stuff” is rarely, if ever, as important or as precious as those odd particular little items that seemingly hold no monetary value. Those pieces that spark a memory, which no else knows its meaning, which would be auctioned off for pennies, those are the ones you secret away, hold close, those are the ones you keep. It may offend his fans, but in time most will understand the difficulty in living in a constant contradiction of the twilight, cast by the light of a superstar and then his shadow. Even to find his afterglow nonetheless blinding and too overshadowing. Remember at the end of the movie “Notting Hill?” During her press conference, in a room filled with news reporters, due to her celebrity they both knew what would happen the moment they acknowledged their relationship. The hope to trust, a leap of faith and on her promise the life he had known immediately came to an end. She had been through it, was used to it and was prepared for it… but there was no way possible that he was prepared for it. Prince made a similar promise to Mayte. Where her life ended and their life began, or rather where her life became a part, a portion or an extension of his. However, that portion of his life was entrusted as a gifted promise to her. An invitation to freely do with as she pleases… as his friend, as his muse as his wife and as the mother of his child. And now, while still feeling an obligatory burden to continue carrying the many secrets of their private life, she shouldn’t have to burden herself with also carrying material “things.” I’d advise her to give away, lend, lease and or sell everything to those that find equal if not more value in them than she does. Just a thought.

Go back to Reply #525.....your reply. The following are your first two paragraphs. "To be fair Mayte wasn't the only person involved in that auction. But since people know about the jewelry box I am now curious about all the other items that were up for auction. To be honest that would change things. Something like that would be worth stopping an auction. Pieces like that have significant meaning. If she had it or some other things like it and she knew its history that is a completely different story." This is not in response to anyone asking you about the jewelry box. You simply began to, cleverly, insinuate that if she took the jewelry box, knowing the story behind it and including it in the auction, that would be sufficient enough reason for Prince to pull it. I'm sorry, but I don't see that your posts about Mayte are as "objective" as you claim. Case in point....the reply in which you ponder whether or not the guardianship would be viewed as an adoption thereby entitling Mayte to petition the courts to be designated an heir! That, my friend, is called stirthepot because it has been made undeniably clear it was deemed legal guardianship. Nothing more, nothing less. So, now I have a question. Why even go there?

That is contradictory moronic logic not worth an argument. Simply because you are ignorant to a particular matter of law, you accuse me of stirring the pot. Either read the laws and the court decisions, explain why it is impossible for her to have been “informally” adopted base on known laws and then get back to me on telling me my intent.

You are ignorant to my reason for mentioning the jewelry box, and this somehow allows you to assume I meant to point an accusing finger at Mayte, and this warrants your bring up some old thread regarding Denise, and to prove or accuse us of what?

I was ask about the jewelry box because it had been mentioned on PennyPurple’s book thread, with regard to Prince keeping Vanity’s jewelry box but not his own son’s ashes. As a father this not something I wanted promoted

My initial response was to say, that jewelry box is huge and could not be easily moved, and it should not be used to compare such an issue.

The way that box had been described over the years you’d think it had been built into the floor or a wall of the house.

You assume I hate while revealing your own hate.

You assume each post on this thread is something negative to be attack without first asking for clarity.

This is ignorant. You are danger to yourself and to the people you believe you are protecting for responding in such a thoughtless manner.

In my hate filled clever attack you believe my intent is to make people think Mayte is a thief, saying she took the jewelry box.

Now here is the dilemma it has caused. A person that makes such leaps to believe the worst in people would expect me to gloat over Prince keeping Vanity’s jewelry box over Mayte’s son’s ashes.

When in fact I was attempting to avoid such an equally moronic discussion because of you. To simply provide context and a possible alternative reason for his keeping the box, leaving Denise and their son out of it. Again, no matter how much I remain objective there will always be rude and ignorant people assuming and accusing instead of forming a question and asking.

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(Bolded 1) And, yet, you do.
(Bolded 2) Educate yourself: http://family.laws.com/ad...s-adoption In a nutshell, Mayte's parents NEVER relinquished their "rights and responsibilities" to Prince. They simply afforded Prince the "legal" authority to act on their behalf regarding matters that might arise during Mayte's time of employment with Prince for the six months she was deemed a minor. This has been explained ad nauseam and yet, you decide to question it. To what end? This "speculation" will only serve to rile up those who are looking to find fault with any and every detail Mayte has revealed as it relates to her time with Prince.
(Bolded 3) I understood your reason perfectly. Nice try at deflecting. I'll concede that much.
(Bolded 4) Please point out where I unequivocally said you "hate" or used the specific word to define your action. I'll wait.....
(Bolded 5) Your conclusion, not mine.


Goodness. I find that those who attack in such a way do so because a "nerve" has been exposed. Which of my observations about your "intent" got under your skin to such a degree that you had to resort to name calling?
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Reply #567 posted 04/17/17 12:12pm

BillieBalloon

PennyPurple said:



Vashtix said:


PennyPurple said:


Prince didn't do anything with the Urn he had his male assistant do it.....


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She said she was told what happened, and that is a fact...that she was told what happened.


.


She can put anything she wants in her book, it's HER book. lol lol



But if something is defamatory It is. I have to question intent and motive. The information imo was included to do damage to Prince's image and how he will be perceived by the public years to come. No one is perfect and Prince was no saint. He knew it too, listen his songs he repeatedly mentioned his flaws. I just think the baby's urn and ashes is sacred. Accusing someone of that is huge. She had to know what the fall out would be.

Looks like Prince has tarnished his own legacy, after seeing what those documents that were opened today said... neutral

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It is clearly stated in the warrants Prince was suffering from hip pain. This is something that has been in the public domain for years. Prince took pain meds which were unfortunately laced with something he did not know about and as a result of this, he died.
Baby, you're a star.

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Reply #568 posted 04/17/17 12:14pm

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What P did with pain medications for a physical, medical condition given to him by medical professionals fully aware of their addictive qualities, does not excuse what Mayte did. Ya'll can keep beating the "he would have given her a hug" for writing this book all you want, many, many people see it for what it is. You can't throw P under the bus in every circustance and situation and then claim, not only that you "loved" him but you will "eternally love him" and that you wrote it from "a loving place" while lining your pockets.




Thank you.
Baby, you're a star.

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Reply #569 posted 04/17/17 12:19pm

BillieBalloon

BillieBalloon said:

PennyPurple said:



Vashtix said:


PennyPurple said:


Prince didn't do anything with the Urn he had his male assistant do it.....


.


She said she was told what happened, and that is a fact...that she was told what happened.


.


She can put anything she wants in her book, it's HER book. lol lol



But if something is defamatory It is. I have to question intent and motive. The information imo was included to do damage to Prince's image and how he will be perceived by the public years to come. No one is perfect and Prince was no saint. He knew it too, listen his songs he repeatedly mentioned his flaws. I just think the baby's urn and ashes is sacred. Accusing someone of that is huge. She had to know what the fall out would be.

Looks like Prince has tarnished his own legacy, after seeing what those documents that were opened today said... neutral

[Edited 4/17/17 8:26am]





It is clearly stated in the warrants Prince was suffering from hip pain. This is something that has been in the public domain for years. Prince took pain meds which were unfortunately laced with something he did not know about and as a result of this, he died.




Kind of ironic isn't it youre defaming the man Mayte calls the love of her life.

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Baby, you're a star.

Meet me in another world, space and joy
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