Misslink88 said:

BillieBalloon said:

LBrent said: She said that day the divorce was final snd was handed a wad of papers. If she is saying that was the decree absolute, its impossible. Dont forget shave off at least a couple of weeks waiting for P to respond to her letter. So that makes 6 weeks. Divorce is not possible in six weeks no matter where in the world you live.

You're right but some people really, really, really want to believe her story no matter what factual information is brought up. That's their perogative and if they have to stretch to the Moon to find some plausible - if extremely unlikely and impossible (go jump off a building and defy gravity and tell me how you "figured out" how to do it) - they will.

Well, since you disagree with what Mayte presents as the facts that she lived through...Produce the receipts that prove a legal annullment exists anywhere for anytime and you'll be right.

Show the receipts or it didn't happen. Simple.

[Edited 4/10/17 15:42pm]

Misslink88 said:

The simple fact is he announced the annulment to the press so these cross-continent residency acrobatics around a divorce weren't necessary. It was over, it was in the press so why go through all that when you can simply file down the street, have the docs sealed and be done with it? The whole “secrecy” of where they/he/she/it filed just isn't required.

As for the auction house:

Common clauses in sale agreements cover the commission charged, other costs (such as pick-up costs and taxes) and an assurance from you that you are legally entitled to sell the goods (that is, they are not stolen or security for a loan).

Announcing an illegal anullment doesn't make it legal, otherwise P wouldn't have signed the legal documents that granted a divorce.

If the annullment was legal, P wouldn't have had to make Mayte a DIVORCE SETTLEMENT OFFER cuz the supposed annullment would've already successfully dissolved the marraige and a divorce and divorce settlement would've been unecessary.

BAM

LBrent said:

Misslink88 said:

The simple fact is he announced the annulment to the press so these cross-continent residency acrobatics around a divorce weren't necessary. It was over, it was in the press so why go through all that when you can simply file down the street, have the docs sealed and be done with it? The whole “secrecy” of where they/he/she/it filed just isn't required.

As for the auction house:

Common clauses in sale agreements cover the commission charged, other costs (such as pick-up costs and taxes) and an assurance from you that you are legally entitled to sell the goods (that is, they are not stolen or security for a loan).

Announcing an illegal anullment doesn't make it legal, otherwise P wouldn't have signed the legal documents that granted a divorce.

If the annullment was legal, P wouldn't have had to make Mayte a DIVORCE SETTLEMENT OFFER cuz the supposed annullment would've already successfully dissolved the marraige and a divorce and divorce settlement would've been unecessary.

BAM

Nah, not my divorce. Up to her to give her receipt. BAM

BillieBalloon said:

Misslink88 said:

He left with his annulment papers in hand. Something happened that caused him to leave her in Spain and start living apart from then on. During that time, he took her to functions because he really couldn't show up with someone else, could he? Then he takes measures to completely erase her from his life – remarries, burns all her stuff and stops speaking to her. He must have loved her at some point because he was never moved to burn someone's things before or since, so she must have really hurt him or he must have really wanted to forget or a variety of other reasons we'll never know.

But let's get back to the auction. Let's say she got his items legit. She goes to her little divorce document, pulls out the paragraph granting her legal possession of his stuff (which the Auction house should have asked for in the first place for provenance) and ta-da...the auction goes ahead. Instead, she pulls the items. Why would she do that if she had gotten them in the settlement? His lawsuit wasn't based on use of his symbol, but on not being granted the right to physical ownership. It's also quite possible, since he's done that before, that he “bought” his items back from her before he passed.

Just to add, nobody is asking why he went to the extreme measure of burning her stuff, just that he also burned the urn the same day. Now, put the urn aside for a minute, why did Prince light a fire in his friends backyard with her things? She says, in some moment of despair and him trying to process his pain. Really? Why not just return her things to her? It sounds like he was very angry.

Everything surrounding this sounds like he was acting out of anger. We'll never know the why though.

morningsong said:

BillieBalloon said:

Misslink88 said: Just to add, nobody is asking why he went to the extreme measure of burning her stuff, just that he also burned the urn the same day. Now, put the urn aside for a minute, why did Prince light a fire in his friends backyard with her things? She says, in some moment of despair and him trying to process his pain. Really? Why not just return her things to her? It sounds like he was very angry.

Everything surrounding this sounds like he was acting out of anger. We'll never know the why though.

Personally, I think it was a combination of being devastated by Amiir's death, the loss of the marraige, guilt about M2, frustration and being petty because Mayte wouldn't capitulate to his wishes in regard to becoming JW which I think he felt pushed him into M2's arms.

I think that he thought, yeah okay I'm attracted to this gal but I really want Mayte but she's not being cooperative in this JW thing that I wanna do and this gal is falling in step with it and I'd prefer Mayte but this other gal is making it so easy to be with her while being with Mayte is turning out to be more work than I'm willing/capable/think I should have to do so I'm out dammit.

So now he wants to erase her as if she didn't exist.

Make sense?

Listen to Man O' War.

LBrent said:

morningsong said:

Everything surrounding this sounds like he was acting out of anger. We'll never know the why though.

Personally, I think it was a combination of being devastated by Amiir's death, the loss of the marraige, guilt about M2, frustration and being petty because Mayte wouldn't capitulate to his wishes in regard to becoming JW which I think he felt pushed him into M2's arms.

I think that he thought, yeah okay I'm attracted to this gal but I really want Mayte but she's not being cooperative in this JW thing that I wanna do and this gal is falling in step with it and I'd prefer Mayte but this other gal is making it so easy to be with her while being with Mayte is turning out to be more work than I'm willing/capable/think I should have to do so I'm out dammit.

So now he wants to erase her as if she didn't exist.

Make sense?

Listen to Man O' War.

I think it was all those things and more. But he didn't burn everything of hers it seems, because Mani (upon her divorce) did tell her she had some things stored at PP, so either she hasn't picked them up yet or maybe she did when she went to the memorial and doesn't care to mention it.


I have no idea what to conclude about the MT situation. It does seem sloppy. Why the need to rush into another marriage? I mean I know but I don't know. Something more was going on with him. I'm guessing MG echo'd something in their argements, something she had no clue about, something that dug deep and hurt. I say that because even in the middle of what was supposed to be his most blissful moment in life he was having some serious personal conflict going on ending up in the ER, something MG could not help him with. I'm not sure who could.

morningsong said:

Who could ever know, but I feel like he had no boundaries in his life. From such a young age he was superior in all areas he could do anything, have anyone, and all at his discretion. I think no boundaries also applied to his bad behaviors, in his mind he was prince and he could do anything he felt like, and if you have no stop button in your brain,just think of the dumb stuff you could do when you were mad, or in love or lust etc.

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

morningsong said:

I think it was all those things and more. But he didn't burn everything of hers it seems, because Mani (upon her divorce) did tell her she had some things stored at PP, so either she hasn't picked them up yet or maybe she did when she went to the memorial and doesn't care to mention it.


I have no idea what to conclude about the MT situation. It does seem sloppy. Why the need to rush into another marriage? I mean I know but I don't know. Something more was going on with him. I'm guessing MG echo'd something in their argements, something she had no clue about, something that dug deep and hurt. I say that because even in the middle of what was supposed to be his most blissful moment in life he was having some serious personal conflict going on ending up in the ER, something MG could not help him with. I'm not sure who could.

Who could ever know, but I feel like he had no boundaries in his life. From such a young age he was superior in all areas he could do anything, have anyone, and all at his discretion. I think no boundaries also applied to his bad behaviors, in his mind he was prince and he could do anything he felt like, and if you have no stop button in your brain,just think of the dumb stuff you could do when you were mad, or in love or lust etc.

I think he had a lot of self-set boundaries and a whole heap of self discipline. He wasn't running wild. We all know something was off kilter, but not what. I'm not sure he did either.

morningsong said:

I think he had a lot of self-set boundaries and a whole heap of self discipline. He wasn't running wild. We all know something was off kilter, but not what. I'm not sure he did either.

I would tend to agree with you there. He was kind of like the ultimate dork - brilliant in a lot of areas and yet challenged by others. But he seemed to be more self-reflective (witnessed by his changed behaviour over the years) than she appears to be.

He's long gone so there's nothing stopping her from providing a simple case number and city where they filed. As with the auction, he doesn't need to prove she never had physical ownership, the burden of proof that she did rests with her.

Anyone is free to believe whatever they chose in her book. For me, and it seems like for some others, there are many things she's written that just don't sit right logically. I happen to believe that a person stating things as facts – in a book that involves a high-profile person with a public image who can no longer speak for themselves - should have truth on their side so whatever they write about is easily proven. I'm quite ticked at her editor for not researching some things and for not nailing her down on others.

Misslink88 said:

morningsong said:

I think he had a lot of self-set boundaries and a whole heap of self discipline. He wasn't running wild. We all know something was off kilter, but not what. I'm not sure he did either.

I would tend to agree with you there. He was kind of like the ultimate dork - brilliant in a lot of areas and yet challenged by others. But he seemed to be more self-reflective (witnessed by his changed behaviour over the years) than she appears to be.

He's long gone so there's nothing stopping her from providing a simple case number and city where they filed. As with the auction, he doesn't need to prove she never had physical ownership, the burden of proof that she did rests with her.

Anyone is free to believe whatever they chose in her book. For me, and it seems like for some others, there are many things she's written that just don't sit right logically. I happen to believe that a person stating things as facts – in a book that involves a high-profile person with a public image who can no longer speak for themselves - should have truth on their side so whatever they write about is easily proven. I'm quite ticked at her editor for not researching some things and for not nailing her down on others.

You're right. There's nothing stopping her.

However, if it were me...I'm just petty and spiteful enough to not provide that exact information.

But then that's me. Agonizingly annoying when I wanna be.

But seriously, she can't provide what doesn't exist.

You cannot prove a negative.

Sorry, not sorry.

Misslink88 said:

morningsong said:

I think he had a lot of self-set boundaries and a whole heap of self discipline. He wasn't running wild. We all know something was off kilter, but not what. I'm not sure he did either.

I would tend to agree with you there. He was kind of like the ultimate dork - brilliant in a lot of areas and yet challenged by others. But he seemed to be more self-reflective (witnessed by his changed behaviour over the years) than she appears to be.

He's long gone so there's nothing stopping her from providing a simple case number and city where they filed. As with the auction, he doesn't need to prove she never had physical ownership, the burden of proof that she did rests with her.

Anyone is free to believe whatever they chose in her book. For me, and it seems like for some others, there are many things she's written that just don't sit right logically. I happen to believe that a person stating things as facts – in a book that involves a high-profile person with a public image who can no longer speak for themselves - should have truth on their side so whatever they write about is easily proven. I'm quite ticked at her editor for not researching some things and for not nailing her down on others.

I'm not sure if this is regarding their marriage/divorce certificate, is so, I'm staying a mile out of that one, I don't know why either of them would have a reason to lie about that.

The auction stuff, seems he may have bought some of that stuff from her, himself, so that could be why he interfered with the auction.

I think she saw things one way and he saw them another. I think he tried to give her what she wanted and couldn't and it was too much to bare. She had not clue about his pain, that's what bothers me the most. It reads as if she was completely oblivious to most of them.

Wish they could have had some closer but they didn't.

morningsong said:

Misslink88 said:

I would tend to agree with you there. He was kind of like the ultimate dork - brilliant in a lot of areas and yet challenged by others. But he seemed to be more self-reflective (witnessed by his changed behaviour over the years) than she appears to be.

He's long gone so there's nothing stopping her from providing a simple case number and city where they filed. As with the auction, he doesn't need to prove she never had physical ownership, the burden of proof that she did rests with her.

Anyone is free to believe whatever they chose in her book. For me, and it seems like for some others, there are many things she's written that just don't sit right logically. I happen to believe that a person stating things as facts – in a book that involves a high-profile person with a public image who can no longer speak for themselves - should have truth on their side so whatever they write about is easily proven. I'm quite ticked at her editor for not researching some things and for not nailing her down on others.

I'm not sure if this is regarding their marriage/divorce certificate, is so, I'm staying a mile out of that one, I don't know why either of them would have a reason to lie about that.

The auction stuff, seems he may have bought some of that stuff from her, himself, so that could be why he interfered with the auction.

I think she saw things one way and he saw them another. I think he tried to give her what she wanted and couldn't and it was too much to bare. She had not clue about his pain, that's what bothers me the most. It reads as if she was completely oblivious to most of them.

Wish they could have had some closer but they didn't.

Just an FYI.....

NEW YORK DIVORCE RECORDS
New York State Vital Records issues New York divorce records for events that occurred in the State of New York, including the five (5) boroughs of New York City.

Who Can Order?
You may request copies of New York divorce records as long as you are named on the record being ordered*. Your name must also appear on the credit or debit card that is being used for payment.

* If you are not named on the record, you must submit a New York State court order as proof of entitlement.

Divorce Certificate
A certified copy of the divorce certificate. This is not a copy of the divorce decree. Divorce records are available for events that occurred within the State of New York (including New York City) from 1963 to six months before today's date.

First Copy: $45.00 Additional Copies: $45.00

Looks like that is why no one has a copy or could get a copy underlined (assuming it was in NY)

my edit....

Let me just add, the State of New York isn't giving anything for free!

[Edited 4/10/17 19:05pm]

DD55 said:

morningsong said:

I'm not sure if this is regarding their marriage/divorce certificate, is so, I'm staying a mile out of that one, I don't know why either of them would have a reason to lie about that.

The auction stuff, seems he may have bought some of that stuff from her, himself, so that could be why he interfered with the auction.

I think she saw things one way and he saw them another. I think he tried to give her what she wanted and couldn't and it was too much to bare. She had not clue about his pain, that's what bothers me the most. It reads as if she was completely oblivious to most of them.

Wish they could have had some closer but they didn't.

Just an FYI.....

NEW YORK DIVORCE RECORDS
New York State Vital Records issues New York divorce records for events that occurred in the State of New York, including the five (5) boroughs of New York City.

Who Can Order?
You may request copies of New York divorce records as long as you are named on the record being ordered*. Your name must also appear on the credit or debit card that is being used for payment.

* If you are not named on the record, you must submit a New York State court order as proof of entitlement.

Divorce Certificate
A certified copy of the divorce certificate. This is not a copy of the divorce decree. Divorce records are available for events that occurred within the State of New York (including New York City) from 1963 to six months before today's date.

First Copy: $45.00 Additional Copies: $45.00

Looks like that is why no one has a copy or could get a copy underlined (assuming it was in NY)

my edit....

Let me just add, the State of New York isn't giving anything for free!

[Edited 4/10/17 19:05pm]

I'm assuming this is not directed to me?


I only gave my thoughts on a reason why Prince had a press conference to annouce a non-existant annulment.

[Edited 4/10/17 19:11pm]

morningsong said:

I'm not sure if this is regarding their marriage/divorce certificate, is so, I'm staying a mile out of that one, I don't know why either of them would have a reason to lie about that.

The auction stuff, seems he may have bought some of that stuff from her, himself, so that could be why he interfered with the auction.

I think she saw things one way and he saw them another. I think he tried to give her what she wanted and couldn't and it was too much to bare. She had not clue about his pain, that's what bothers me the most. It reads as if she was completely oblivious to most of them.

Wish they could have had some closer but they didn't.

I'm not sure what you mean there. Are you saying that he stopped the auction and then bought his stuff back?

In terms of what was up for auction, the blue Rave suit is still a mystery since he wore it at the end of 1999 in MN and she writes she was living in Spain at the time, so how it turned up in her auction 17 years later is weird. Maybe it was a parting gift?

DD55 said:

Just an FYI.....

NEW YORK DIVORCE RECORDS
New York State Vital Records issues New York divorce records for events that occurred in the State of New York, including the five (5) boroughs of New York City.

Who Can Order?
You may request copies of New York divorce records as long as you are named on the record being ordered*. Your name must also appear on the credit or debit card that is being used for payment.

* If you are not named on the record, you must submit a New York State court order as proof of entitlement.

Divorce Certificate
A certified copy of the divorce certificate. This is not a copy of the divorce decree. Divorce records are available for events that occurred within the State of New York (including New York City) from 1963 to six months before today's date.

First Copy: $45.00 Additional Copies: $45.00

Looks like that is why no one has a copy or could get a copy underlined (assuming it was in NY)

my edit....

Let me just add, the State of New York isn't giving anything for free!

[Edited 4/10/17 19:05pm]

Yep...IF that's where it was filed and IF the residency requirements had been met.

Misslink88 said:

morningsong said:

I'm not sure if this is regarding their marriage/divorce certificate, is so, I'm staying a mile out of that one, I don't know why either of them would have a reason to lie about that.

The auction stuff, seems he may have bought some of that stuff from her, himself, so that could be why he interfered with the auction.

I think she saw things one way and he saw them another. I think he tried to give her what she wanted and couldn't and it was too much to bare. She had not clue about his pain, that's what bothers me the most. It reads as if she was completely oblivious to most of them.

Wish they could have had some closer but they didn't.

I'm not sure what you mean there. Are you saying that he stopped the auction and then bought his stuff back?

In terms of what was up for auction, the blue Rave suit is still a mystery since he wore it at the end of 1999 in MN and she writes she was living in Spain at the time, so how it turned up in her auction 17 years later is weird. Maybe it was a parting gift?

In her book he offered to buy the stuff, she didn't go into a lot of detail. She didn't even say she sold it to him, nor if she did, what items they were.

morningsong said:

DD55 said:

Just an FYI.....

NEW YORK DIVORCE RECORDS
New York State Vital Records issues New York divorce records for events that occurred in the State of New York, including the five (5) boroughs of New York City.

Who Can Order?
You may request copies of New York divorce records as long as you are named on the record being ordered*. Your name must also appear on the credit or debit card that is being used for payment.

* If you are not named on the record, you must submit a New York State court order as proof of entitlement.

Divorce Certificate
A certified copy of the divorce certificate. This is not a copy of the divorce decree. Divorce records are available for events that occurred within the State of New York (including New York City) from 1963 to six months before today's date.

First Copy: $45.00 Additional Copies: $45.00

Looks like that is why no one has a copy or could get a copy underlined (assuming it was in NY)

my edit....

Let me just add, the State of New York isn't giving anything for free!

[Edited 4/10/17 19:05pm]

I'm assuming this is not directed to me?


I only gave my thoughts on a reason why Prince had a press conference to annouce a non-existant annulment.

[Edited 4/10/17 19:11pm]

LBrent said:

So he really wanted to stay married to Mayte but he was coerced into divorcing her? Ok, then why didnt he reconnect with Mayte after Mani was gone? Mayte waited by the phone for him for nearly 20 years. P knows Mayte would have taken him back and whatever Prince wants he gets. He cut Mayte off completely and stopped talking to her. He wanted her to pay for concert tickets. Mayte wasnt allowed at PP..she went after he died and did a tour. Mayte was not allowed to just turn up at Princes house with a vegan nut roast and shoot the breeze with him. Mayte was not invited to the family memorial.


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[Edited 4/11/17 5:31am]

I'll just put what P said and what was reported here.

HEAT (#39), 4-11 NOVEMBER 1999

To: heat@ecm.emap.com
From: The Artist
Subject: Rave Un2 The Joy Fantastic

Q. What happened with your marriage?
A. Mayte and I dissolved our marriage process. Too many weird things are said in there. Meanwhile, so many people are in prison... everyone’s getting divorced. I think it’s all to do with a contract. It’s all too weird for me.

Alan Light TRACKS, SEPTEMBER 2004

Out of the spotlight, the man born Prince Rogers Nelson also seems to have found some peace. He married Manuela Testolini, an employee at his Paisley Park studio, in 200l (after the dissolution of his marriage to Mayte Garcia, a dancer) and then became a Jehovah’s Witness. His conversation is now laced with Biblical references and allusions. Spirituality, always an element of Prince’s songwriting, has moved front and center. “The study of scripture and trying to live that way is what keeps me out of trouble,” he says, adding that he’s striving for"what the Egyptians used to call maat—order, where everything works.”

BillieBalloon said:

LBrent said:

Personally, I think it was a combination of being devastated by Amiir's death, the loss of the marraige, guilt about M2, frustration and being petty because Mayte wouldn't capitulate to his wishes in regard to becoming JW which I think he felt pushed him into M2's arms.

I think that he thought, yeah okay I'm attracted to this gal but I really want Mayte but she's not being cooperative in this JW thing that I wanna do and this gal is falling in step with it and I'd prefer Mayte but this other gal is making it so easy to be with her while being with Mayte is turning out to be more work than I'm willing/capable/think I should have to do so I'm out dammit.

So now he wants to erase her as if she didn't exist.

Make sense?

Listen to Man O' War.

So he really wanted to stay married to Mayte but he was coerced into divorcing her? Ok, then why didnt he reconnect with Mayte after Mani was gone? Mayte waited by the phone for him for nearly 20 years. P knows Mayte would have taken him back and whatever Prince wants he gets. He cut Mayte off completely and stopped talking to her. He wanted her to pay for concert tickets. Mayte wasnt allowed at PP..she went after he died and did a tour. Mayte was not allowed to just turn up at Princes house with a vegan nut roast and shoot the breeze with him. Mayte was not invited to the family memorial. . [Edited 4/11/17 5:31am]

That's not what I said.

He had been conflicted in wanting to leave the situation in general, not her in particular...at first. By the time it was over he had hurt her so badly that she had said things that hurt him and he had done things that hurt her, both I think had gone too far and he had no choice but to leave and she had no choice but to let him.

Listen to the song. It's in the lyrics.

LBrent said:

BillieBalloon said:

So he really wanted to stay married to Mayte but he was coerced into divorcing her? Ok, then why didnt he reconnect with Mayte after Mani was gone? Mayte waited by the phone for him for nearly 20 years. P knows Mayte would have taken him back and whatever Prince wants he gets. He cut Mayte off completely and stopped talking to her. He wanted her to pay for concert tickets. Mayte wasnt allowed at PP..she went after he died and did a tour. Mayte was not allowed to just turn up at Princes house with a vegan nut roast and shoot the breeze with him. Mayte was not invited to the family memorial. . [Edited 4/11/17 5:31am]

That's not what I said.

He had been conflicted in wanting to leave the situation in general, not her in particular...at first. By the time it was over he had hurt her so badly that she had said things that hurt him and he had done things that hurt her, both I think had gone too far and he had no choice but to leave and she had no choice but to let him.

Listen to the song. It's in the lyrics.

After reading the Lyrics to Man o War again....

How could U think that I
Could put something inside of someone
That I put inside U, inside U?

That sounds like Mayte accused him and Prince denies it right ?
So..Maybe he was actually faithful for the first time in his life and felt offended /hurt that she didnt believe him ?

I.D.K

Lovejunky said:

LBrent said:

That's not what I said.

He had been conflicted in wanting to leave the situation in general, not her in particular...at first. By the time it was over he had hurt her so badly that she had said things that hurt him and he had done things that hurt her, both I think had gone too far and he had no choice but to leave and she had no choice but to let him.

Listen to the song. It's in the lyrics.

After reading the Lyrics to Man o War again....

How could U think that I
Could put something inside of someone
That I put inside U, inside U?

That sounds like Mayte accused him and Prince denies it right ?
So..Maybe he was actually faithful for the first time in his life and felt offended /hurt that she didnt believe him ?

I.D.K

That's what I got out of the lyrics too.

Unfortunately, I think he used her accusal and his offense as an excuse to be all like "I didn't do that, but since you wanna accuse me...watch this".

A thinly veiled attempt by his male pride/ego to blame her for forcing his hand when in reality he was almost there anyway.

LBrent said:

Lovejunky said:

After reading the Lyrics to Man o War again....

How could U think that I
Could put something inside of someone
That I put inside U, inside U?

That sounds like Mayte accused him and Prince denies it right ?
So..Maybe he was actually faithful for the first time in his life and felt offended /hurt that she didnt believe him ?

I.D.K

That's what I got out of the lyrics too.

Unfortunately, I think he used her accusal and his offense as an excuse to be all like "I didn't do that, but since you wanna accuse me...watch this".

A thinly veiled attempt by his male pride/ego to blame her for forcing his hand when in reality he was almost there anyway.

How would you know?

Misslink88 said:

LBrent said:

That's what I got out of the lyrics too.

Unfortunately, I think he used her accusal and his offense as an excuse to be all like "I didn't do that, but since you wanna accuse me...watch this".

A thinly veiled attempt by his male pride/ego to blame her for forcing his hand when in reality he was almost there anyway.

How would you know?

LMMFAOPIMPWTIME

Well, let's see...shortly thereafter he made her accusation a reality and that was so graciously confirmed by his accomplice, to Mayte.

It's sorta a DUUUH moment, really.

It's in the book.

Next.

LBrent said:

Misslink88 said:

How would you know?

LMMFAOPIMPWTIME

Well, let's see...shortly thereafter he made her accusation a reality and that was so graciously confirmed by his accomplice, to Mayte.

It's sorta a DUUUH moment, really.

It's in the book.

Next.

What's in the book is that she thought the video with the Crazy Horse woman was dirty. What's in the book is that she wrote Mani said they weren't intimate until much, much later. He asked the woman in the Crazy Horse video to move to MN before he proposed to Mani. So why is Mani to blame in Man 'O War?? There were other women at the time as well....couldn't it have been one of them?

But you tried.

Misslink88 said:

LBrent said:

LMMFAOPIMPWTIME

Well, let's see...shortly thereafter he made her accusation a reality and that was so graciously confirmed by his accomplice, to Mayte.

It's sorta a DUUUH moment, really.

It's in the book.

Next.

What's in the book is that she thought the video with the Crazy Horse woman was dirty. What's in the book is that she wrote Mani said they weren't intimate until much, much later. He asked the woman in the Crazy Horse video to move to MN before he proposed to Mani. So why is Mani to blame in Man 'O War?? There were other women at the time as well....couldn't it have been one of them?

But you tried.

You're so pretty...

LBrent said:

Larry, is that you?

LBrent said:

Misslink88 said:

What's in the book is that she thought the video with the Crazy Horse woman was dirty. What's in the book is that she wrote Mani said they weren't intimate until much, much later. He asked the woman in the Crazy Horse video to move to MN before he proposed to Mani. So why is Mani to blame in Man 'O War?? There were other women at the time as well....couldn't it have been one of them?

But you tried.

You're so pretty...

Why thank you!

BillieBalloon said:

LBrent said:

That's not what I said.

He had been conflicted in wanting to leave the situation in general, not her in particular...at first. By the time it was over he had hurt her so badly that she had said things that hurt him and he had done things that hurt her, both I think had gone too far and he had no choice but to leave and she had no choice but to let him.

Listen to the song. It's in the lyrics.

Larry, is that you?

It's hilarious that you ask me that for reasons that I won't share here...but maybe will share with Mayte.

But you're also pretty.

Misslink88 said:

LBrent said:

You're so pretty...

Why thank you!

So very very pretty.