TOB: Thank you again for all that you've shared with us! It's a been a gift to learn more about Denise, the artist.

If you're willing and up to it, I would love to hear, as Paul Harvey used to say, "the rest of the story" about Denise's trip to the 1985 AMAs to present the Purple Rain award to Prince. I know I'm not alone in that thought. However, I also understand with Denise's home going anniversary approaching, if this is not the right time. Prayers and thoughts will continue for you and yours.

[Edited 2/1/17 17:20pm]

luvgirl said:

jungleluv said:

The Last Dragon is more fun & a feelgood movie.

What is your favourite TV role of Vanitys'? Mine is Friday 13th closely followed by Highlander.

My all time favorite movie she did will always be The Last Dragon. It just holds a special place in my heart. I didn't have a great childhood, but that moment in time of Vanity and Prince, Purple Rain and then The Last Dragon, was a time I will always cherish. They both gave me something to be excited about when there wasn't much in my eleven year old life to be excited for. I remembered puting on repeat her crazy 7th Heaven dance and her line "someone to guard my body" over and over again with stars in my eyes wishing I could be like the most beautiful woman I'd ever seen. So yea, nothing will ever top the Last Dragon in my eyes... But, I later began to love her flawed character in Action Jackson. It's so raw and not the politically correct role of a leading lady.. Her Friday the thirteenth character comes in a close third.. It was so her... [Edited 2/1/17 3:41am]

Vanity's awesome role Mary Lou Morley Lady Boss (1992) gets no love its so annoying that this Jackie Collins campy 90s classic is not available on dvd or blu-ray or on Hulu or Neflix or even on You Tube it's essential viewing IMO and one of Vanity's best roles

[Edited 2/1/17 17:44pm]

[Edited 2/1/17 17:46pm]

PaisleyPrint said:

precioux said:

PaisleyPrint said:

Anybody have any info on when Denise left/quit the movie Purple Rain. I know you may not be able to give me an exact date, but the season would be okay. Like, the Summer or Fall of '83 or something. I know it was '83 but was wondering which part of that year, cause I'm looking at where the planets were during that time as I do my analysis on her. Thanks.

August '83

An almost a year later Purple Rain the movie came out. It came out in the summer July I think.

Precioux will you be joining us to celebrate Denise Feb. 15th?

https://youtu.be/Ah0SMso88qk

purplegirl00 said:

TOB: Thank you again for all that you've shared with us! It's a been a gift to learn more about Denise, the artist.

If you're willing and up to it, I would love to hear, as Paul Harvey used to say, "the rest of the story" about Denise's trip to the 1985 AMAs to present the Purple Rain award to Prince. I know I'm not alone in that thought. However, I also understand with Denise's home going anniversary approaching, if this is not the right time. Prayers and thoughts will continue for you and yours.

[Edited 2/1/17 17:20pm]

Yes... that date is slowly approaching.

I'm not certain what I'll be doing or not doing, thinking or trying not to... on that day.

There is too much to do and so much to say, I just don't know where to begin, and if I do there is now one big question.

Before the other thread was removed or hidden an idea was developing on how and from what perspective I wanted to share what I have and what I knew.

The removal with regard to what was revealed and the lost history shook and angered me.

My knee-jerk reaction was towards picking a “due process” or 1^st Amendment fight over the control of original thoughts, poetry and pieces of artwork that had been exposed on that thread.

It made me rethink putting any energy into posting and sharing if it could be pulled down, taken and destroyed without providing reason or warning.

I’m not in the habit of posting and advancing my own threads.

This thread was my immediate reaction to the removal of the other, so next time I could be warned,

and so that it could be explained to me directly why something is off base,

and so I would possibly be allowed to argue my position and question someone’s legitimate or frivolous compliant.

On many occasions I have stated that I take no sides, and don’t even take Denise’s written words over someone else’s words.

I simply say that “Denise writes” and I then quote what she has written.

There was a change in Denise, an obvious evolution in her writing that was initially slightly bitter before she found her path and a peace.

She admits in those earlier writings that she was writing her story because she felt no one was returning her calls for help.

This doesn’t make what she wrote any less true. Actually, maybe the opposite,

since she never would have wrote and revealed it if she weren’t angry at the time.

However, still it is only Denise written opinion from her perspective.

I have argued and debated with her on many different subjects over the pass twenty years to know her word is not gospel (pun intended), and I remain unbiased.

In other words, one no should be anxious over what Denise has written, there’s always a few other sides to the same story.

Her writings are mostly an introspective examination of the good, the bad, the ugly and the beautiful ones, with her always being hardest on herself.

Moreover, I know for a fact the Denise’s Will did not go through the Alameda county probate court process, and I believe she self-published her book. Therefore, the only people that can legally complain about anything I post of her art and writings is no one. The only people that have a reason or right to complain is her mother, her mother’s daughters (DeBorah and Patty), their spouses (which includes me) and then their children.

No one else has any legal title to Denise’s estate until the Will is proved valid through the probate process.

The first question should be… didn’t Denise leave you her storage in that Will?

Short answer, “Yes.”

Next question should be… then why are you publicly saying that the Will has not been validated and probated? I am saying because it’s true, and I’m saying it here to quash any potential complaints about my posting and sharing information regarding Denise by those “claiming” to have a superior right or any right to what they’ve knowingly stolen; without the courts authority.

Denise’s Will was “lodged” with the court clerk not filed for probate. There is a difference.

I've not yet accepted the offers that have been presented, mainly because I do not seek to write a story or create an army of sycophants telling me what I want to hear, with me preaching to a choir without the balance of debate, questioning each and every claim.

I learned a number of things from the thread that was removed and stated that I wanted the conversation and debate to continue… I had just become intrigued about all the unknown and we were still barely at the beginning.

But could it or should it be continued here... is now the big question?

Vashtix said:

precioux said:

PaisleyPrint said: August '83

An almost a year later Purple Rain the movie came out. It came out in the summer July I think.

Precioux will you be joining us to celebrate Denise Feb. 15th?

Sure! Would love to!!

luvgirl said:

purplepoppy said:

This is a tribute thread to Denise on her Birthday.

Tob: Do you intend for this thread to be only a birthday tribute thread as purplepoppy has said, or is it an all around discussion on Denise that may lead into a broad discussion on other topics pertaining her, as we did in the last thread? Just a little clarification so we know what is okay to discuss and post here without recrimination, as I'm sure none of us would want to be disrespectful to the type of thread you are trying to promote. [Edited 1/27/17 15:42pm]

Yes, an open discussion about Denise.

luvgirl said:

purplegirl00 said:

My favorite out of the few pics of them out there. It's so candid, so serious.. I wonder what they were talking about? Denise looks like she's in mid-sentence and Prince appears to be giving that "leave us alone" look to the person who shot this pic.

[Edited 1/25/17 19:01pm]

He looked like he might of had his arm around her. They were so beautiful.

She called this photo "Counting Peanuts." I didn't ask why, and just assumed that's what she was doing at the time.

PaisleyPrint said:

TOB, if you're up for talking about it, I would like to know more about Denise's beginning drug use, such as how/why she started and her attraction to psychics/astrologers. Did she ever say anything about consulting them ect.

Aside from smoking weed I'm to assume...?

She writes that it began in Minneapolis after she moved out of Prince's house.

Neighbors upstairs in her apartment building.

She writes that she had often turned it down, explaining that she was always on a natural high.

Which I and any of her friends can verify about both her and DeBorah.

She writes that she tried it just to prove that it would do nothing for her.

Someone had told me that she had been involved with witchcraft when they first met her in L.A.

I didn't believe it until I read a bit about it in her writings.

And to answer another question...

benni said:

TOB said:

Her existence made a significant difference in my life... and the lives of many others.

[Edited 1/4/17 12:39pm]

[Edited 1/24/17 19:24pm]

I saw below that you had posted (then edited it out) a poem you had written for Denise. Would love to see some of the poems that have been inspired by your wife?

I have never posted a poem that was written for or inspired by Denise.

The poem I posted entitled "You" fit the memory, mood and that moment.

Strangely enough I began writing it as result of a phrase I heard while watching the movie "The Bucket List" with a friend.

We took a break and she joined me on the patio outside.

"What's on your mind" and the next few lines where are actually conversation.

But with regard to something I wrote for DeBorah back in 1994.

Tony Lemans had died in June of 92.

We married in April 93 and for the longest I found myself competing with a memory.

The title has a double connotation.

WHEN

.

Don't pat me on the back,

Hold me.
Don't peck me on the cheek,

Kiss me.
Don't glance in my direction,

Look at me.
Don't have a thought about me girl,

Want me.

.
Cause, when I get my way with you,
these are the things that I do.
Reserved always and only for you,
every time will always feel, new.
.
Hold me. Kiss me,
Love me, Want me.
Cause all I want to be,
Is you, and me.
.
Don't tell me how you feel,

show me.
Don't question if it's real,

know me.
Don't get mad at me,

get pissed.
Don't take a chance on me,

take a risk.
.
Cause, when I get my way with you
these are the thing that I do.
Reserved always and only for you,
every time will always feel, knew.
.
Hold me, Kiss me,
Love me, Want me.
Cause all I want to be,
Is you, and me.
.
For past memories you hesitate.
How long will you make the patient wait?
Realization may come to you to late.
History could be your fate.
.
You must give in!
Let me under your skin!
This door you must open!
Cause, if I were to Stop,

You had to say “WHEN.”

.

TOB said:

purplegirl00 said:

TOB: Thank you again for all that you've shared with us! It's a been a gift to learn more about Denise, the artist.

If you're willing and up to it, I would love to hear, as Paul Harvey used to say, "the rest of the story" about Denise's trip to the 1985 AMAs to present the Purple Rain award to Prince. I know I'm not alone in that thought. However, I also understand with Denise's home going anniversary approaching, if this is not the right time. Prayers and thoughts will continue for you and yours.

[Edited 2/1/17 17:20pm]

Yes... that date is slowly approaching.

I'm not certain what I'll be doing or not doing, thinking or trying not to... on that day.

There is too much to do and so much to say, I just don't know where to begin, and if I do there is now one big question.

Before the other thread was removed or hidden an idea was developing on how and from what perspective I wanted to share what I have and what I knew.

The removal with regard to what was revealed and the lost history shook and angered me.

My knee-jerk reaction was towards picking a “due process” or 1^st Amendment fight over the control of original thoughts, poetry and pieces of artwork that had been exposed on that thread.

It made me rethink putting any energy into posting and sharing if it could be pulled down, taken and destroyed without providing reason or warning.

I’m not in the habit of posting and advancing my own threads.

This thread was my immediate reaction to the removal of the other, so next time I could be warned,

and so that it could be explained to me directly why something is off base,

and so I would possibly be allowed to argue my position and question someone’s legitimate or frivolous compliant.

On many occasions I have stated that I take no sides, and don’t even take Denise’s written words over someone else’s words.

I simply say that “Denise writes” and I then quote what she has written.

There was a change in Denise, an obvious evolution in her writing that was initially slightly bitter before she found her path and a peace.

She admits in those earlier writings that she was writing her story because she felt no one was returning her calls for help.

This doesn’t make what she wrote any less true. Actually, maybe the opposite,

since she never would have wrote and revealed it if she weren’t angry at the time.

However, still it is only Denise written opinion from her perspective.

I have argued and debated with her on many different subjects over the pass twenty years to know her word is not gospel (pun intended), and I remain unbiased.

In other words, one no should be anxious over what Denise has written, there’s always a few other sides to the same story.

Her writings are mostly an introspective examination of the good, the bad, the ugly and the beautiful ones, with her always being hardest on herself.

Moreover, I know for a fact the Denise’s Will did not go through the Alameda county probate court process, and I believe she self-published her book. Therefore, the only people that can legally complain about anything I post of her art and writings is no one. The only people that have a reason or right to complain is her mother, her mother’s daughters (DeBorah and Patty), their spouses (which includes me) and then their children.

No one else has any legal title to Denise’s estate until the Will is proved valid through the probate process.

The first question should be… didn’t Denise leave you her storage in that Will?

Short answer, “Yes.”

Next question should be… then why are you publicly saying that the Will has not been validated and probated? I am saying because it’s true, and I’m saying it here to quash any potential complaints about my posting and sharing information regarding Denise by those “claiming” to have a superior right or any right to what they’ve knowingly stolen; without the courts authority.

Denise’s Will was “lodged” with the court clerk not filed for probate. There is a difference.

I've not yet accepted the offers that have been presented, mainly because I do not seek to write a story or create an army of sycophants telling me what I want to hear, with me preaching to a choir without the balance of debate, questioning each and every claim.

I learned a number of things from the thread that was removed and stated that I wanted the conversation and debate to continue… I had just become intrigued about all the unknown and we were still barely at the beginning.

But could it or should it be continued here... is now the big question?

It is good to see you post again. I too was very unnerved when the Vanity/Morris thread disappeared. There was the start of a great discussion and dialogue about certain dates and events. It was respectful to all even the disagreements. (I liked those too). I found out things were not as I originally thought they were too- I saw both parties as real people, beautiful but flawed. I am still disappointed. So many questions; the date of the actual meeting, what happened backstage at the AMAs (all his women were there) just so much trivial stuff I wanted to ask (was the cane a his and hers- did he buy one for himself too ; why did she need protection, from what?).

I mentioned to you that I am not sure if this is the place for real dialogue and sharing of knowledge,opinions debate. I do not understand why the other one was pulled.

I do not want to assume and say something offensive but I am not a fan of the people I read she willed her self-published book to. She may have been in fellowship but as one in the faith I give them a side eye. I thank you for sharing that information. Denise appears to have been smarter than many thought.

We in the faith are to leave peacably with all as best we can, love above all else and show acceptance. I will now get off my soap box.

I am hoping you will continue the conversation it should be continued. Information can be shared, digested and debated; as you said none of it is gospel.

Hope it can be shared without disruption. If you do decide to do so elsewhere please let me know as I would like to continue in the conversation.

Also thoughts and prayer for you and Deborah and your sons at this time. I have no words as they sound hollow and shallow if I tried.

TOB said:

purplegirl00 said:

TOB: Thank you again for all that you've shared with us! It's a been a gift to learn more about Denise, the artist.

If you're willing and up to it, I would love to hear, as Paul Harvey used to say, "the rest of the story" about Denise's trip to the 1985 AMAs to present the Purple Rain award to Prince. I know I'm not alone in that thought. However, I also understand with Denise's home going anniversary approaching, if this is not the right time. Prayers and thoughts will continue for you and yours.

[Edited 2/1/17 17:20pm]

Yes... that date is slowly approaching.

I'm not certain what I'll be doing or not doing, thinking or trying not to... on that day.

There is too much to do and so much to say, I just don't know where to begin, and if I do there is now one big question.

Before the other thread was removed or hidden an idea was developing on how and from what perspective I wanted to share what I have and what I knew.

The removal with regard to what was revealed and the lost history shook and angered me.

My knee-jerk reaction was towards picking a “due process” or 1st Amendment fight over the control of original thoughts, poetry and pieces of artwork that had been exposed on that thread.

It made me rethink putting any energy into posting and sharing if it could be pulled down, taken and destroyed without providing reason or warning.

I’m not in the habit of posting and advancing my own threads.

This thread was my immediate reaction to the removal of the other, so next time I could be warned,

and so that it could be explained to me directly why something is off base,

and so I would possibly be allowed to argue my position and question someone’s legitimate or frivolous compliant.

On many occasions I have stated that I take no sides, and don’t even take Denise’s written words over someone else’s words.

I simply say that “Denise writes” and I then quote what she has written.

There was a change in Denise, an obvious evolution in her writing that was initially slightly bitter before she found her path and a peace.

She admits in those earlier writings that she was writing her story because she felt no one was returning her calls for help.

This doesn’t make what she wrote any less true. Actually, maybe the opposite,

since she never would have wrote and revealed it if she weren’t angry at the time.

However, still it is only Denise written opinion from her perspective.

I have argued and debated with her on many different subjects over the pass twenty years to know her word is not gospel (pun intended), and I remain unbiased.

In other words, one no should be anxious over what Denise has written, there’s always a few other sides to the same story.

Her writings are mostly an introspective examination of the good, the bad, the ugly and the beautiful ones, with her always being hardest on herself.

Moreover, I know for a fact the Denise’s Will did not go through the Alameda county probate court process, and I believe she self-published her book. Therefore, the only people that can legally complain about anything I post of her art and writings is no one. The only people that have a reason or right to complain is her mother, her mother’s daughters (DeBorah and Patty), their spouses (which includes me) and then their children.

No one else has any legal title to Denise’s estate until the Will is proved valid through the probate process.

The first question should be… didn’t Denise leave you her storage in that Will?

Short answer, “Yes.”

Next question should be… then why are you publicly saying that the Will has not been validated and probated? I am saying because it’s true, and I’m saying it here to quash any potential complaints about my posting and sharing information regarding Denise by those “claiming” to have a superior right or any right to what they’ve knowingly stolen; without the courts authority.

Denise’s Will was “lodged” with the court clerk not filed for probate. There is a difference.

I've not yet accepted the offers that have been presented, mainly because I do not seek to write a story or create an army of sycophants telling me what I want to hear, with me preaching to a choir without the balance of debate, questioning each and every claim.

I learned a number of things from the thread that was removed and stated that I wanted the conversation and debate to continue… I had just become intrigued about all the unknown and we were still barely at the beginning.

But could it or should it be continued here... is now the big question?

I share your concern about the removal of the Vanity and Morris Day thread. I feel the same way about the Prince and Andy Allo threads that kept being disrupted and subsequently "hidden for moderation." It does seem to be an attempt to quash free speech.

[Edited 2/3/17 17:26pm]

TOB said:

benni said:

I saw below that you had posted (then edited it out) a poem you had written for Denise. Would love to see some of the poems that have been inspired by your wife?

I have never posted a poem that was written for or inspired by Denise.

The poem I posted entitled "You" fit the memory, mood and that moment.

Strangely enough I began writing it as result of a phrase I heard while watching the movie "The Bucket List" with a friend.

We took a break and she joined me on the patio outside.

"What's on your mind" and the next few lines where are actually conversation.

But with regard to something I wrote for DeBorah back in 1994.

Tony Lemans had died in June of 92.

We married in April 93 and for the longest I found myself competing with a memory.

The title has a double connotation.

WHEN

.

Don't pat me on the back,

Hold me.
Don't peck me on the cheek,

Kiss me.
Don't glance in my direction,

Look at me.
Don't have a thought about me girl,

Want me.

.
Cause, when I get my way with you,
these are the things that I do.
Reserved always and only for you,
every time will always feel, new.
.
Hold me. Kiss me,
Love me, Want me.
Cause all I want to be,
Is you, and me.
.
Don't tell me how you feel,

show me.
Don't question if it's real,

know me.
Don't get mad at me,

get pissed.
Don't take a chance on me,

take a risk.
.
Cause, when I get my way with you
these are the thing that I do.
Reserved always and only for you,
every time will always feel, knew.
.
Hold me, Kiss me,
Love me, Want me.
Cause all I want to be,
Is you, and me.
.
For past memories you hesitate.
How long will you make the patient wait?
Realization may come to you to late.
History could be your fate.
.
You must give in!
Let me under your skin!
This door you must open!
Cause, if I were to Stop,

You had to say “WHEN.”

.

WOW. You are quite the poet, TOB. This one is pretty intense. It seems that your wife Deborah is a lucky woman.

TOB said:

Vashtix said:

TOB said:

Yes... that date is slowly approaching.

I'm not certain what I'll be doing or not doing, thinking or trying not to... on that day.

There is too much to do and so much to say, I just don't know where to begin, and if I do there is now one big question.

Before the other thread was removed or hidden an idea was developing on how and from what perspective I wanted to share what I have and what I knew.

The removal with regard to what was revealed and the lost history shook and angered me.

My knee-jerk reaction was towards picking a “due process” or 1st Amendment fight over the control of original thoughts, poetry and pieces of artwork that had been exposed on that thread.

It made me rethink putting any energy into posting and sharing if it could be pulled down, taken and destroyed without providing reason or warning.

I’m not in the habit of posting and advancing my own threads.

This thread was my immediate reaction to the removal of the other, so next time I could be warned,

and so that it could be explained to me directly why something is off base,

and so I would possibly be allowed to argue my position and question someone’s legitimate or frivolous compliant.

On many occasions I have stated that I take no sides, and don’t even take Denise’s written words over someone else’s words.

I simply say that “Denise writes” and I then quote what she has written.

There was a change in Denise, an obvious evolution in her writing that was initially slightly bitter before she found her path and a peace.

She admits in those earlier writings that she was writing her story because she felt no one was returning her calls for help.

This doesn’t make what she wrote any less true. Actually, maybe the opposite,

since she never would have wrote and revealed it if she weren’t angry at the time.

However, still it is only Denise written opinion from her perspective.

I have argued and debated with her on many different subjects over the pass twenty years to know her word is not gospel (pun intended), and I remain unbiased.

In other words, one no should be anxious over what Denise has written, there’s always a few other sides to the same story.

Her writings are mostly an introspective examination of the good, the bad, the ugly and the beautiful ones, with her always being hardest on herself.

Moreover, I know for a fact the Denise’s Will did not go through the Alameda county probate court process, and I believe she self-published her book. Therefore, the only people that can legally complain about anything I post of her art and writings is no one. The only people that have a reason or right to complain is her mother, her mother’s daughters (DeBorah and Patty), their spouses (which includes me) and then their children.

No one else has any legal title to Denise’s estate until the Will is proved valid through the probate process.

The first question should be… didn’t Denise leave you her storage in that Will?

Short answer, “Yes.”

Next question should be… then why are you publicly saying that the Will has not been validated and probated? I am saying because it’s true, and I’m saying it here to quash any potential complaints about my posting and sharing information regarding Denise by those “claiming” to have a superior right or any right to what they’ve knowingly stolen; without the courts authority.

Denise’s Will was “lodged” with the court clerk not filed for probate. There is a difference.

I've not yet accepted the offers that have been presented, mainly because I do not seek to write a story or create an army of sycophants telling me what I want to hear, with me preaching to a choir without the balance of debate, questioning each and every claim.

I learned a number of things from the thread that was removed and stated that I wanted the conversation and debate to continue… I had just become intrigued about all the unknown and we were still barely at the beginning.

But could it or should it be continued here... is now the big question?

It is good to see you post again. I too was very unnerved when the Vanity/Morris thread disappeared. There was the start of a great discussion and dialogue about certain dates and events. It was respectful to all even the disagreements. (I liked those too). I found out things were not as I originally thought they were too- I saw both parties as real people, beautiful but flawed. I am still disappointed. So many questions; the date of the actual meeting, what happened backstage at the AMAs (all his women were there) just so much trivial stuff I wanted to ask (was the cane a his and hers- did he buy one for himself too ; why did she need protection, from what?).

I mentioned to you that I am not sure if this is the place for real dialogue and sharing of knowledge,opinions debate. I do not understand why the other one was pulled.

I do not want to assume and say something offensive but I am not a fan of the people I read she willed her self-published book to. She may have been in fellowship but as one in the faith I give them a side eye. I thank you for sharing that information. Denise appears to have been smarter than many thought.

We in the faith are to leave peacably with all as best we can, love above all else and show acceptance. I will now get off my soap box.

I am hoping you will continue the conversation it should be continued. Information can be shared, digested and debated; as you said none of it is gospel.

Hope it can be shared without disruption. If you do decide to do so elsewhere please let me know as I would like to continue in the conversation.

Also thoughts and prayer for you and Deborah and your sons at this time. I have no words as they sound hollow and shallow if I tried.

co-sign to all of the above.

Thank you for replying TOB! When the first anniversary of my close friend’s passing came, I didn’t have any plans as to how I was going to feel or behave. If I felt like crying, I did and if I didn’t, well, I didn’t. If I felt like wearing her favorite purple high heels, even in my pajamas, I did. If I wanted to listen to the last voicemail she left me, just to hear her voice so I wouldn’t forget it a year later, I did. I just went with whatever I felt- it was organic . So I know what you mean when you say you don’t know what the day will bring. In any case, thoughts and prayers will be with you and your family.

.

The removal of the other thread was upsetting as there was no cause that any of us could see. No one was being outrageous or vulgar. Whoever placed the complaint wanted to silence you, your sharing, and the discussion taking place. Based on what you’ve said, it sounds like the removal of the other thread may have been related to Denise’s will/ estate? While I’ll be honest and say that I don’t completely understand the legalities of transferring property and custody in a will, it seems clear that Denise willed you (and DeBorah) that storage. Otherwise, you would not have had access to anything in there, right? Therefore, whatever was in there is yours (and DeBorah’s) to share wherever and with whomever you wish. The people “claiming” to have authority and rights to items that were not legally transferred to them, will eventually have to be dealt with through the court of law. I find it disturbing and sad that they would be trying to shut you up and add salt to the wound of grieving for everyone involved.

.

As I expressed earlier in this thread, I would love to continue this discussion. I understand if you are hesitant to continue here, as I would be too, after the abrupt removal of the thread containing your work of art (poems) and Denise's (excerpts from her unpublished book). If you feel more comfortable sharing elsewhere, I, too would appreciate notification as I have enjoyed this conversation.

[Edited 2/3/17 19:55pm]

purplegirl00 said:

TOB said:

PaisleyPrint said:

TOB, if you're up for talking about it, I would like to know more about Denise's beginning drug use, such as how/why she started and her attraction to psychics/astrologers. Did she ever say anything about consulting them ect.

Aside from smoking weed I'm to assume...?

She writes that it began in Minneapolis after she moved out of Prince's house.

Neighbors upstairs in her apartment building.

She writes that she had often turned it down, explaining that she was always on a natural high.

Which I and any of her friends can verify about both her and DeBorah.

She writes that she tried it just to prove that it would do nothing for her.

Someone had told me that she had been involved with witchcraft when they first met her in L.A.

I didn't believe it until I read a bit about it in her writings.

And to answer another question...

Double post (tried to edit)

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PaisleyPrint said:

TOB said:

Aside from smoking weed I'm to assume...?

She writes that it began in Minneapolis after she moved out of Prince's house.

Neighbors upstairs in her apartment building.

She writes that she had often turned it down, explaining that she was always on a natural high.

Which I and any of her friends can verify about both her and DeBorah.

She writes that she tried it just to prove that it would do nothing for her.

Someone had told me that she had been involved with witchcraft when they first met her in L.A.

I didn't believe it until I read a bit about it in her writings.

And to answer another question...

How sad...the fact that she tried it just to prove that it would do nothing for her...smh, I always thought that she tried it out of depression and/or disenchantment with the industry.

As for the witchcraft, I kinda figured so, because she told Joan Rivers in an interview on YouTube that her assistant came in her room to find her levitating off the bed.

WOWZERS!!! Thank you SO much for the birth announcement/birth time. You know, just recently I was looking at the transits during '82 (when she was going through her lil love thang/triangle with Prince) and Pluto was square her Venus. Also when she married Anthony Smith in March of '95, Uranus was conjunct her Venus. So I go, "Hmmm...everytime there is a major aspect to her "Venus" something happens in her relationships/love life." And I'm thinking, "Maybe she has Libra or Taurus rising, which would make Venus her chart ruler." But quickly dismissed the thought, because Venus could also be the ruler of 5th House too. And whatta ya know! She has TAURUS rising, like I first thought. That also explaines her chubbiness as a child ( I noticed the pics of her as a kid in her obit). Can't wait to do the synastry on her and Prince. Yaaay!!!

PaisleyPrint said:

How sad...the fact that she tried it just to prove that it would do nothing for her...smh, I always thought that she tried it out of depression and/or disenchantment with the industry.

As for the witchcraft, I kinda figured so, because she told Joan Rivers in an interview on YouTube that her assistant came in her room to find her levitating off the bed.

WOWZERS!!! Thank you SO much for the birth announcement/birth time. You know, just recently I was looking at the transits during '82 (when she was going through her lil love thang/triangle with Prince) and Pluto was square her Venus. Also when she married Anthony Smith in March of '95, Uranus was conjunct her Venus. So I go, "Hmmm...everytime there is a major aspect to her "Venus" something happens in her relationships/love life." And I'm thinking, "Maybe she has Libra or Taurus rising, which would make Venus her chart ruler." But quickly dismissed the thought, because Venus could also be the ruler of 5th House too. And whatta ya know! She has TAURUS rising, like I first thought. That also explaines her chubbiness as a child ( I noticed the pics of her as a kid in her obit). Can't wait to do the synastry on her and Prince. Yaaay!!!

Wait, whaaaa?? Astrology can explain why you were chubby as a kid?

purplegirl00 said:

Wait, whaaaa?? Astrology can explain why you were chubby as a kid?

LOL! not neccesarily chubby "as a kid" but just in general, period. That was just something that I happened to notice when looking at pics of her as a child in her obituary. Taurus, Cancers and Libras are signs of the zodiac that sometimes, "sometimes" not all the time, have a tendency to put on extra weight because of their love of food. With Librans, especially the love of sweets.

Denise's interest in witchcraft during the 80s makes sense considering that back then, halloween was a holiday she loved, her song "Flippin' Out" has a vampire theme throughout, she really liked the Morticia Addams character in terms of fashion and she once she got arrested for trespassing at a "haunted house".

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btw TOB, count me in as someone who would like to learn more about Denise's story. I really learned a lot in the previous thread too

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TOB said:

At about 1:13 Vanity, who is sitting in the front row or close, jumps up out of her seat and up on stage to dance and sing with Smokey Robinson. Cut it girl! Show 'em how it's done.

purplegirl00 said:

At about 1:13 Vanity, who is sitting in the front row or close, jumps up out of her seat and up on stage to dance and sing with Smokey Robinson. Cut it girl! Show 'em how it's done.

YAY!!!!! Love this clip and it is great find!

FLUTE MEMORIES

The thought of what was “us”

hangs lingering as a note played at first in perfect key.

Then falling off…

no transitioning,

tone deafening,

resonating… echo trailing, fading… harmony.

Melodic melancholy memories
hauntingly played out of tune.
Is quite unique,

I do think,
reminiscent of Mozart’s "Magic Flute"

Vocally reiterated

out of time a half beat.

Echoing this disharmony, as the title phrase repeats…

“It just wasn’t meant to be”

“It just wasn’t to be”

It is the knowing “That I Want,”

It is the knowing “That I Need,”

It is knowing that “Want” and “Need” are too

two very separate things.

A conflicting plethora of emotions,

resonates in this chaotic symphony.

Is as if to be fine-tuning chalkboards

with fingernail scratching.

It is supposed that overtures have no request for an encore,
most are soon forgotten

graceful segue loss

with the length of the score.

Heart strings plucked

soon became sore.

The hope…
that memories fade,

will soon pass,
no matter the want for more.

TOB said:

FLUTE MEMORIES

The thought of what was “us”

hangs lingering as a note played at first in perfect key.

Then falling off…

no transitioning,

tone deafening,

resonating… echo trailing, fading… harmony.

Melodic melancholy memories
hauntingly played out of tune.
Is quite unique,

I do think,
reminiscent of Mozart’s "Magic Flute"

Vocally reiterated

out of time a half beat.

Echoing this disharmony, as the title phrase repeats…

“It just wasn’t meant to be”

“It just wasn’t to be”

It is the knowing “That I Want,”

It is the knowing “That I Need,”

It is knowing that “Want” and “Need” are too

two very separate things.

A conflicting plethora of emotions,

resonates in this chaotic symphony.

Is as if to be fine-tuning chalkboards

with fingernail scratching.

It is supposed that overtures have no request for an encore,
most are soon forgotten

graceful segue loss

with the length of the score.

Heart strings plucked

soon became sore.

The hope…
that memories fade,

will soon pass,
no matter the want for more.

Hi TOB

Beautiful, first line had me choked up. It is powerful relationships on whatever level when good are like being played in a perfect key. In my head it is always a beautiful melody.

Thanks for sharing this piece. Is this your work? I try not to assume.

TOB said:

FLUTE MEMORIES

The thought of what was “us”

hangs lingering as a note played at first in perfect key.

Then falling off…

no transitioning,

tone deafening,

resonating… echo trailing, fading… harmony.

Melodic melancholy memories
hauntingly played out of tune.
Is quite unique,

I do think,
reminiscent of Mozart’s "Magic Flute"

Vocally reiterated

out of time a half beat.

Echoing this disharmony, as the title phrase repeats…

“It just wasn’t meant to be”

“It just wasn’t to be”

It is the knowing “That I Want,”

It is the knowing “That I Need,”

It is knowing that “Want” and “Need” are too

two very separate things.

A conflicting plethora of emotions,

resonates in this chaotic symphony.

Is as if to be fine-tuning chalkboards

with fingernail scratching.

It is supposed that overtures have no request for an encore,
most are soon forgotten

graceful segue loss

with the length of the score.

Heart strings plucked

soon became sore.

The hope…
that memories fade,

will soon pass,
no matter the want for more.

Fascinating indeed! Thank you for sharing. Any idea when this was written?

.

I may have this completely wrong as I am not good with lyrical and poetic interpretation. It sounds like the realization or determination to move on from whatever “us” was. It is interesting how we are taken through a musical score to describe the process. The mind is being convinced that “it was not meant to be”, but the heart is not following as it doesn’t understand that language. At the end, the hope is that the memories fade and pass. Even if the heart is broken, it never stops wanting and yearning for more.

TOB said:

I'm not sure I think it's so great to call a relationship beautiful when denise matthews tried to leave it behind, as a Christian. Was prince into witchcraft as well? (talking about 80's and 90's) did she write about that?