tigerlilyluv said:

contropurple said:

benni said: Thanks for your candidness. I seen this before. You explained it really well. This could well have been the case with P and D. I think she recognised the behaviour too.

Deliverance from God. You recognize your mistakes, learn from it, and become wiser. I commend her for her strong faith and dedication in God. She said she was in love with the Prince of Peace (God). God became the head of Denise's life and she didn't let anyone take that away from her. Her past is a testimony to how great God works. She passed still devoted to living for Christ, the Prince of Peace, for God. That alone makes you want to love her even more. Her sermons are a must-watch!

That is what I find fascinating she never waivered publicly. She was a true daughter of Jesus. It is something to sele someone decide to change their life and change their life. I honor her for that.

Her sermons are something to hear. I enjoy listening to her. She was a firecracker for Jesus.

ChanGirl said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

No, my Prince and Andy threads have been pulled again, Chan, so that gives me lots of time to participate here on this very interesting thread. BTW, please tell me how I have contradicted myself?

Fly, I understand that - for u - talking about Denise is like studying ancient history. I'm sure the mods will release your PRINDY thread soon. Or u can always create another one

What do you mean, "ancient history"? I don't understand. And, I hope you're right that the threads will be back soon. If so, there is no need for another Prince and Andy thread. There would be only one active thread now, Part II, if you guys didn't keep insisting that the discussion be limited to their music, while ignoring their relationship.

petalthecat said:

My opinion of Prince and Vanity...I think they had an intense relationship, in Denise's own words, a "love/hate relationship". They were young, in an exciting period of their lives, on the rise to superstardom and sharing that experience together. They were in love, they were passionate. I don't think P had ever met anyone like her before and the fact they were so similar certainly caused a tumultuous affair. The fact she left him broke his heart. I think this had a profound effect on him for the rest of his life. Didn't he always pick women who were young, naive, who he could dominate and control after her? Was this his way of not having his heart broken again? I don't subscribe to the notion of soul mates in their respect though. I believe they had a bond because of what they shared and a spiritual connection but not to the extent of still being "in love". It's obvious they stayed in touch and cared about each other. I believe when Denise died P was already personally in a bad place. I think her death hit him hard and also made him question his own mortality. It's a natural reaction when someone u care about dies and they're also a similar age. This will have pushed him over the edge into a deep depression. Depression causes bad choices and judgement, so inadvertently her death likely did contribute to his demise.

She was his contemporary. They made history with each other -

petalthecat said:

My opinion of Prince and Vanity...I think they had an intense relationship, in Denise's own words, a "love/hate relationship". They were young, in an exciting period of their lives, on the rise to superstardom and sharing that experience together. They were in love, they were passionate. I don't think P had ever met anyone like her before and the fact they were so similar certainly caused a tumultuous affair. The fact she left him broke his heart. I think this had a profound effect on him for the rest of his life. Didn't he always pick women who were young, naive, who he could dominate and control after her? Was this his way of not having his heart broken again? I don't subscribe to the notion of soul mates in their respect though. I believe they had a bond because of what they shared and a spiritual connection but not to the extent of still being "in love". It's obvious they stayed in touch and cared about each other. I believe when Denise died P was already personally in a bad place. I think her death hit him hard and also made him question his own mortality. It's a natural reaction when someone u care about dies and they're also a similar age. This will have pushed him over the edge into a deep depression. Depression causes bad choices and judgement, so inadvertently her death likely did contribute to his demise.

I agree that Prince was not in a good place, even before Denise died. If his appearance was a true indicator, his health was failing. Based on his actions in the preceding months, he was also trying desperately to pull Andy back into his life. Her continued absence, I believe, left him very lonely and depressed. Without a doubt, Denise's passing compounded the situation.

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In terms of his PAAM shows, though, which have been mentioned a lot on this and recent Vanity/Denise threads, songs like Bill Withers' "Use Me" were not about a past relationship, by any stretch of the imagination. Nor was his comment after singing "Screwdriver" at one of the shows. "She didn't like that one. I meant it as a joke," he said. These are just two examples where I think he was talking and singing about Andy Allo.

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luvgirl said:

I finally figured it out! Check out this awesome tribute to Denise. In the end she was so vulnerable. Especially when she thought the interviewer was asking her about Prince. I just wanted to hug her... The song is beautiful too. http://vid44.photobucket....p7ypf8.mp4 [Edited 1/26/17 20:04pm]

Very sweet. She was such a sweetheart, and a very beautiful lady of God. Prince saw beauty in everyone but Denise had to have been Prince's Most Beautiful. Being she was a huge part of PRain (the most sucessful part of his career) without pysically being there (as in her leaving before filming), as well Prince's love before he hit stardom, that alone would make easy to understand he likely held a special place in his heart for the lovely Denise--somewhere deep where she was the only one able to reach. It became more than a love/hate relationship to something truly special--spiritually special. Before anyone attack, it's only my opinion! smh.

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FlyOnTheWall said:

petalthecat said:

My opinion of Prince and Vanity...I think they had an intense relationship, in Denise's own words, a "love/hate relationship". They were young, in an exciting period of their lives, on the rise to superstardom and sharing that experience together. They were in love, they were passionate. I don't think P had ever met anyone like her before and the fact they were so similar certainly caused a tumultuous affair. The fact she left him broke his heart. I think this had a profound effect on him for the rest of his life. Didn't he always pick women who were young, naive, who he could dominate and control after her? Was this his way of not having his heart broken again? I don't subscribe to the notion of soul mates in their respect though. I believe they had a bond because of what they shared and a spiritual connection but not to the extent of still being "in love". It's obvious they stayed in touch and cared about each other. I believe when Denise died P was already personally in a bad place. I think her death hit him hard and also made him question his own mortality. It's a natural reaction when someone u care about dies and they're also a similar age. This will have pushed him over the edge into a deep depression. Depression causes bad choices and judgement, so inadvertently her death likely did contribute to his demise.

I agree that Prince was not in a good place, even before Denise died. If his appearance was a true indicator, his health was failing. Based on his actions in the preceding months, he was also trying desperately to pull Andy back into his life. Her continued absence, I believe, left him very lonely and depressed. Without a doubt, Denise's passing compounded the situation.

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In terms of his PAAM shows, though, which have been mentioned a lot on this and recent Vanity/Denise threads, songs like Bill Withers' "Use Me" were not about a past relationship, by any stretch of the imagination. Nor was his comment after singing "Screwdriver" at one of the shows. "She didn't like that one. I meant it as a joke," he said. These are just two examples where I think he was talking and singing about Andy Allo.

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Can you PLEASE stop bringing Andy Allo in EVERY thread ?????

You sound OBSESSED !

tigerlilyluv said:

luvgirl said:

tigerlilyluv said:

Very sweet. She was such a sweetheart, and a very beautiful lady of God. Prince saw beauty in everyone but Denise had to have been Prince's Most Beautiful. Being she was a huge part of PRain (the most sucessful part of his career) without pysically being there (as in her leaving before filming), as well Prince's love before he hit stardom, that alone would make easy to understand he likely held a special place in his heart for the lovely Denise--somewhere deep where she was the only one able to reach. It became more than a love/hate relationship to something truly special--spiritually special. Before anyone attack, it's only my opinion! smh.

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Man, take a good look at some of her drawings in the interview part. She was amazingly talented.

God-given talent! I wish I knew where her artwork can be seen. I want to put some pictures of her work on my website. Those paintings! That lady had style and good taste. Even those items she was selling on Instagram were quite beautiful. Her cats. I wonder where they are.

FlyOnTheWall said:

petalthecat said:

My opinion of Prince and Vanity...I think they had an intense relationship, in Denise's own words, a "love/hate relationship". They were young, in an exciting period of their lives, on the rise to superstardom and sharing that experience together. They were in love, they were passionate. I don't think P had ever met anyone like her before and the fact they were so similar certainly caused a tumultuous affair. The fact she left him broke his heart. I think this had a profound effect on him for the rest of his life. Didn't he always pick women who were young, naive, who he could dominate and control after her? Was this his way of not having his heart broken again? I don't subscribe to the notion of soul mates in their respect though. I believe they had a bond because of what they shared and a spiritual connection but not to the extent of still being "in love". It's obvious they stayed in touch and cared about each other. I believe when Denise died P was already personally in a bad place. I think her death hit him hard and also made him question his own mortality. It's a natural reaction when someone u care about dies and they're also a similar age. This will have pushed him over the edge into a deep depression. Depression causes bad choices and judgement, so inadvertently her death likely did contribute to his demise.

I agree that Prince was not in a good place, even before Denise died. If his appearance was a true indicator, his health was failing. Based on his actions in the preceding months, he was also trying desperately to pull Andy back into his life. Her continued absence, I believe, left him very lonely and depressed. Without a doubt, Denise's passing compounded the situation.

.

In terms of his PAAM shows, though, which have been mentioned a lot on this and recent Vanity/Denise threads, songs like Bill Withers' "Use Me" were not about a past relationship, by any stretch of the imagination. Nor was his comment after singing "Screwdriver" at one of the shows. "She didn't like that one. I meant it as a joke," he said. These are just two examples where I think he was talking and singing about Andy Allo.

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Hello my dear Flyonthewall. These assertions remain to be confirmed. I hope all is well.

Ms Denise Katrina Matthews is/was a beautiful spirit. She and Mr/Dr PRN shared a special love as was evidenced by what he said about her immediately after hearing the devastating news of her passing: "She loved me for the artist that I was; I love her for the artist she was trying to be." From this, I sense that he knew that she loved him unconditionally, warts and all. Thank you TOB for sharing her writings, private letters and artwork.

amimissinsumthin said:

luvgirl said:

Did you guys read this part of the prologue in Alex Hanh's new book coming out February 28th? This book’s gripping, 50-page prologue provides a nearly day-to-day account of the events that unfolded between November 2015 and April 21, 2016, when Prince tragically died at Paisley Park. The great distance traveled by Prince during his final months – tours of Australia and New Zealand, a funeral in the Bay Area for former muse and lover Denise Matthews, a tour of Canada, and a final return home – in some ways mirrored on a grand scale Prince’s nomadic childhood, to which the book returns after detailing the events of 2016. My interest is kind of piqued. I hope there is a better account of Denise's time with Prince... [Edited 1/26/17 21:01pm]

He is one of the main ones who spoke poorly of Denise and her friendship with Prince. He is loyal or was to another camp and Vanity did not place well. I really have no need to read anything he says of her and her passing. It will be tainted as his prior writings were about Denise, at least he admits Prince attended the funeral. That is enough.

luvgirl said:

Vashtix said:

This is a tribute thread to Denise on her Birthday.

Goddess4Real said:

PaisleyPrint said:

PaisleyPrint said:

purplepoppy said:

Music was his ONE and ONLY, his life and perhaps what he lived for. Not likely he died of a broken heart since the COUPLES that may have have been together for a long period of time. In this case, they were apart longer than together. No women could ever compete with the Music. Not Denise, Mayte, M2, Sheila, etc. Denise was lovely, but one of many loves in his life. He never moved on from Music as he did with people, places and things. We have the story of his relationship with Music as written and told by Prince. There is nothing documented by Prince that tells the story of Denise and his relationship or the depth of their relationship. Anything that is is second hand and open to intreprtation since it is subjective and the view of the narrator. They were part of each other's story for sure and likely meant to be for that particular time; however, for everything there is a season.

Her in 2013. Just as beautiful as the young Denise. Skin pretty, too. She said she was 97/98% on organic food. Simply beautiful. Blameitonvanty.com is no more.

Wow, she does look so beautiful.

luvgirl - Maybe take the high road on a birthday tribute thread. If you want a Vanity gossip thread you can always start one.

purplepoppy said:

purplepoppy said:

This has not evolved into a thread about her life & career, but you can call it that. Peace out.