Tony M was around during the making of the Purple Rain movie, was he not (as a Game Boy or whatever they were called?--LOL) But, P didn't want too much break-dancing in the movie (something like that.)

I see your point about how people influence one another. But my problem with the narrative revolving around the Revolution etc is that people act as though Prince was some technically brilliant (but musically naive) sponge and that W and L were the true visionary talents that he absorbed into his otherwise lacking work. And that when they parted ways, Prince lost his visionary ways (like an sponge that had been wrung out and emptied). But his making mistakes in his later eras doesn't negate the fact that P was the one who ultimately made the decisions during the Revolution period. He chose to be influenced by W and L. He chose to let them in a little more than others. He explored avenues/influences that they may have shown him but I imagine there were musical avenues exposed to him by those ladies that he chose not to visit. Also, how do we know that he didn't seek out these different influences by himself? His dad's influence is often ignored (I still don't buy that Alan Leeds introduced him to jazz music, maybe some musicans but I imagine Prince already knew some jazz just through osmosis.) Other bandmates have probably influenced him as well as visa versa. He can't do everyting I get that. But why do we assume that he couldn't record a lot of the music himself? He was a brilliant musican making pop albums.

I understand the temptation to play down Prince's musical autocracy and shine a light on his ability to collaborate back then and to give some credit to the gifted people he worked with. But I think it would be nice if people like W and L had mentioned a bit more often Prince's own musicality and how it may have influenced them in their work. (Unless I missing something-- after their parting I didn't see much) They did say they were missing his cues during the Revolution reunion performances but speaking strictly about his musical influence I haven't heard much (but I could be wrong). Prince even would specifically point out contributions from Lisa years later during the P and M tour..

Slightly off topic, but I still marvel over his take on Dolphin/Heroes during the P and M tour, and he is alone on that stage (both interpreting and redefining his own and someone's else music in a truely moving way.)--Brilliant without the bells and whistles. He should have done that more often and more noticably..("The Truth" album should not be an obscure album IMO).. I wonder what earlier bandmates felt about that tour (or if they had seen it?) or even that album. I suspect Prince did listen to the later music of his former bandmates--since he invited Leeds and the Time to perform for him in later years.

I stand by the opinion that Prince himself was the most brilliant musician by far of that group but there are some people who make him out to be a figurehead. I am not saying you. I am saying the narrative is out there in comment sections of some of his earlier videos.

OldFriends4Sale said:

could have used any band.

I've been a part of a past discussion surrounding that before, and I don't believe it. Because people are individuals and we all bring something different unique good or bad. It is like saying if Tony M was in the 1983 band that Purple Rain would have been what it was no matter what. And it's not possible. We all bring something different and unique.

Like I totally believe, if Graffit Bridge had the Lovesexy band, it would have been a much better movie

Prince was the mastermind behind the UTCM movie and he removed the director and took control and look what happened. If he left the person who had the strengths and skill of directing, it would have been a much better movie.

Prince wrote In This Bed I Scream in 1997(Emancipation) dedicated to Lisa Wendy & Susannah for a reason.

In a 1998 interview, 0+> called the people in his camp of 1982-1986 a Community. And the musical output released and unreleased shows that.

We cannot say that anyone could have been in Jill Jones spot on the 1999 tour or the Automatic video and it still be exactly what it was.
Morris Day left the Time and was done after the PR movie because without Jimmy Jam Terry Lewis & Monte Moir there it was not the same anymore. St Paul and the other 2 guys could not just move in a replace what the 07 had together.
People who say they are fans to this day believe Prince did everything on the Time albums. And that is very far from the truth, even if we just note that Morris Day played drums on a lot of the songs. But there was much more input in the creative process than that. Morris Day Lisa Coleman Dez Dickerson & Jesse Johnson have talked about
Vanity left Vanity 6 and Apollonia filled the spot. I love Apollonia for her role in PR, but she could not own that frontman position the way Vanity did.

In a very human way it just doesn't work like. We are all unique and we are not robots.

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wavesofbliss said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

@ least with Lisa the idea around 79/80 when she first joined the band and he wrote Lisa, is where some of the rumor comes from

I could easily see P L W doing a threesome, but it also probably was a very fraternal relationship

Oh yeah, yeah (1 2 3 4)

Lisa, let's go 2 the movie
Lisa, let's go
Lisa, let's go 2 the village
Lisa, let's go
Tell your man, he'll understand
Lisa, let's go

Lisa, we're going 2 the movie
Lisa, let's go

It's alright, I don't care
Long as U know, somewhere
Some day, we'll be 2gether
Lisa, I don't care, oh
Lisa, I don't care

Lisa, let's go get blasted
Lisa, let's go
Lisa, I know U're nasty
Lisa, let's go

It's alright, it's OK
Long as U know, some day
Some way, we'll be 2gether
Lisa, it's OK

Yeah, let's go, yeah
Lisa, oh yeah
Yeah, yeah

It's alright, it's OK
Lisa, let's play

Alright

Are U ready, yeah yeah'
Yeah, oh yeah
Yeah yeah
Let's go {x2}

It's alright, it's OK
Long as U know, some day
Some way, we'll be 2gether
Lisa, it's OK, oh {x3}
Lisa, it's O.. it's O.. it's OK

lisa has said in a couple of places that prince just used her name. she was living with him and she would help him record here and there. she described it as him saying "hey lisa come here and punch this in for me" stuff like that. she said that's why she ended up on some of the time tracks uncredited.

I agree, I assumed it was that kind of thing. But people created the rumors from this song, at least from what I've read on the org in earlier conversations.

laurarichardson said:

wavesofbliss said:

that's news to me. i was going by what she said. maybe she was being coy.

/- She does not want to put her business in the street.

Never heard this. Where was this said by Dr Fink?

LOL can U imagine the alternate universe where Tony M was a leading character?

I agree, with people going overboard in maximizing and minimalizing.
It was a very creative culture during that period that Prince formed. He cultivated it and as he called it a community...sharing ideals... showers of flowers lol
It is wrong when people say others 'made Prince' it is equally wrong when people say Prince did everything.

Yes, Wendy & Lisa have spoken of Prince after the left and his input and influence. One of the earliests was a 1987 video interview that had Vanity Jill Jones Lisa & Wendy.

It is easily possible that Alan Leeds opened Prince to jazz in a way he was open before. It's one thing to hear jazz and know some jazz artists, but another to know schematics of jazz, to know how jazz plays off sounds in a way other styles don't etc

This conversation is very 'adult' I like it. It shows Prince in a more human way for me, which I need right now. It makes me think, if Prince was born in NYC or LA or Miami etc would his music, music style, career, be what it was 1977-1989? I would have to say no, because so many elements of his Minnesota life, his family background, ethnicity, mixture, artistry etc influenced him to a point where he believed he could have a style of his own ie Purple Music and it was there

Yes, I agree. I pulling that up now to listen. That P & M tour was unique and would have been career changing 4 Prince. I wanted him to do something like that after Planet Earth. I think he was able to reflect on his life and music in a holistic way that he probably couldn't with a stage full of musicians and singers with all the needed showmanship. It's interesting how I loved listening 2 his 1976/77 demos like the piano centered Leaving 4 New York and he ends with piano performances.

If he really did say to his family and others a few years ago, that he's done all that he came to do. I don't think he considered a solo Piano tour.
...and the music continued 4 ever...

purplerabbithole said:

Tony M was around during the making of the Purple Rain movie, was he not (as a Game Boy or whatever they were called?--LOL) But, P didn't want too much break-dancing in the movie (something like that.)

I see your point about how people influence one another. But my problem with the narrative revolving around the Revolution is that people act as though Prince was some technically brilliant (but musically naive) sponge and that W and L were the true visionary talents that he absorbed inot his otherwise lacking work. And that when they parted ways, Prince lost his visionary ways (like an sponge that had been wrung out and emptied). But his making mistakes in his later eras doesn't negate the fact that P was the one who ultimately made the decisions during the Revolution period. He chose to be influenced by W and L. He chose to let them in a little more than others. He explored avenues/influences that they may have shown him but I imagine there were musical avenues exposed to him by those ladies that he chose not to visit. Also, how do we know that he didn't seek out these different influences by himself? His dad's influence is often ignored (I still don't buy that Alan Leeds introduced him to jazz music, maybe some musicans but I imagine Prince already knew some jazz just through osmosis.) Other bandmates have probably influenced him as well as visa versa.

I understand the temptation to play down Prince's musical autocracy and shine a light on his ability to collaborate back then and to give some credit to the gifted people he worked with. But I think it would be nice if W and L had mentioned a bit more often Prince's own musicality and how it may have influenced them in their work. (Unless I missing something after their parting I didn't see much) They did say they were missing his cues during the Revolution reunion performances but speaking strictly about his musical influence I haven't heard much (but I could be wrong). Prince even would specifically point out contributions from Lisa years later during the P and M tour..

Slightly off topic, but I still marvel over his take on Dolphin/Heroes during the P and M tour, and he is alone on that stage (both interpreting and redefining his own and someone's else music in a truely moving way.)--Brilliant without the bells and whistles. He should have done that more often and more noticably..("The Truth" album should not be an obscure album IMO).. I wonder what earlier bandmates felt about that tour (or if they had seen it?) or even that album. I suspect Prince did listen to the later music of his former bandmates--since he invited Leeds and the Time to perform for him in later years.

OldFriends4Sale said:

could have used any band.

I've been a part of a past discussion surrounding that before, and I don't believe it. Because people are individuals and we all bring something different unique good or bad. It is like saying if Tony M was in the 1983 band that Purple Rain would have been what it was no matter what. And it's not possible. We all bring something different and unique.

Like I totally believe, if Graffit Bridge had the Lovesexy band, it would have been a much better movie

Prince was the mastermind behind the UTCM movie and he removed the director and took control and look what happened. If he left the person who had the strengths and skill of directing, it would have been a much better movie.

Prince wrote In This Bed I Scream in 1997(Emancipation) dedicated to Lisa Wendy & Susannah for a reason.

In a 1998 interview, 0+> called the people in his camp of 1982-1986 a Community. And the musical output released and unreleased shows that.

We cannot say that anyone could have been in Jill Jones spot on the 1999 tour or the Automatic video and it still be exactly what it was.
Morris Day left the Time and was done after the PR movie because without Jimmy Jam Terry Lewis & Monte Moir there it was not the same anymore. St Paul and the other 2 guys could not just move in a replace what the 07 had together.
People who say they are fans to this day believe Prince did everything on the Time albums. And that is very far from the truth, even if we just note that Morris Day played drums on a lot of the songs. But there was much more input in the creative process than that. Morris Day Lisa Coleman Dez Dickerson & Jesse Johnson have talked about
Vanity left Vanity 6 and Apollonia filled the spot. I love Apollonia for her role in PR, but she could not own that frontman position the way Vanity did.

In a very human way it just doesn't work like. We are all unique and we are not robots.

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The conversations with Jill and Andre were probably the most refreshing revelations I've heard so far. If he can snag an interview with Mayte...

Lol at Wu-Tang Clan calling her out in the club.

scorp84 said:

The conversations with Jill and Andre were probably the most refreshing revelations I've heard so far. If he can snag an interview with Mayte...

This made me smile

OldFriends4Sale said:

// It is in Possessed but keep in mind a lot of people say they were misquoted.