GhostChick said:

anangellooksdown said:

PurplePaisleyLuvr said:

I feel like this is 100% spot on! But Prince always had his one true love and that was MUSIC-he had it from an early age. He had to be in control and was the type to live in the momet and never look back. Unfortunately, his abandonment and troubled childhood shaped his ability to interact with others and led to his inability to sustain a long term relationship. He was once reportedly asked by a journalist why he was such a control freak and he replied, “What if everyone left me and there was no one around except me? I gotta know how to control things on my own." I think deep down he had a terrible fear of being alone, which makes it all the more sad that he was left alone when he died.

We all have the fear of dying alone -- which is one main reason we are all grieving so badly for Prince. We identify our fears of this with the way he did die -- at least that one ight, he was alone.

Krystal, great insight I think, to the psyche stuff. I have felt that simpley, Prince wanted both. He wanted a spiritually matured partner whom he could trust and be attracted to in that way (spirituality is VERY sexy when it's actualized)...but he also wanted the beauty of youth, the pure, virgin-like, let-me-teach-her thing.

The obvious problem is someone 24 years old simply does not have the life experience to be the woman his heart really wanted, but an older woman did not have the things of a 24-year-old.

it would've been nice if he found someone in their early 40s who was experienced and spiritual but still youthful. I think it would've taken a very special woman to really keep him -- but it was absolutely possible.

I wonder a lot if it's true what I've read here once or twice, that Prince looked so sad those last months, and if some of that wasn't just the physical pain - but the fact his Lady didn't show up.

Ok that is really thought provoking....

....actually I can understand some women NOT wanting to be romantically involved with Prince. As sexy and fun as he was you kinda have to play by "his rules"...at least in the eighties and ninties that is the era I've read the most about him...I really don't know much about religious Prince....

....but just knowing his history with women and whatever philosophies he had on relationships-if you were the type of woman who could just have fun with him and enjoy him without getting your feelings involved then I'm sure it was a great experience and you could walk away happy but if you were the type of woman where once you sleep with a man it activates all those bonding hormones and you want exclusivity...well then.... ...probably best you stay away from him!

But I'm sure he could be a great wonderful person at times and a woman could learn a lot hanging with him for a bit..probably a better experience being his "friend" rather than a "love"....

BanishedBrian said:

GhostChick said:

This is some really deep analysis of a man and his marriages.

I think in the end, Prince had two marriages that didn't work out. We don't know the REAL reasons why. We are just assuming.

And we really don't know what kind of boyfriend/husband Prince really was. He had a lot of these whipped and they don't say anything negative about this man.

The only Women that really had the balls to say something about how Prince was is Wendy & Lisa. And he wasn't fucking them so they have a real good perspective.

All these other chicks; from his HS girlfriends all the way down to Tamron & Judith, this man had these chicks WHIPPED!

You claim none of us know the truth and we're all just assuming, and then you go on to psychoanalyze, among others, Mani and Prince's relationship and claim she was the whipped one.

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It was a joke, goodness.

wavesofbliss said:

It was reported that amir was premature. Likely no more than a month. Can i ask why everyone assumes that the exes r "whipped"? Maybe they are just past caring. Maybe it's too far in the distance. All of them, save Anna who did talk, were under contractbefore during their sexual relationships. Of course they couldn't talk. Now they feel protective.this is not complicated.

IT WAS A JOKE! Me saying they were "whipped" was a joke.

Clearly, Mani & Mayte's family & enablers are here to support these fabulous brilliant independent women! Anyone who thinks someone like Prince would suddenly out of the blue marry someone like Mayte (after he'd been having sex with her for years- and others that she damn well knew about) are intellectually & mathematically challenged. I suggest you stay in your fantasy bubble but PLEASE don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining! Also, Mayte said outright on that trash TV show she was on "she had Prince money' when complaining she didn't have as much money as some of the other attention whores on there. So, clearly she got something for subjecting all of us to her "talents". No woman with any self-respect would tolerate his antics for any length of time. He got what he deserved because unlike most of us, he had the means to do anything he wanted.

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wavesofbliss said:

wavesofbliss said:

anangellooksdown said:

Mkilpatrick74 said:

perfect!!!(

As a fellow Orger, I think we should be careful about making a collective "we" statement representing the whole group of us. For instance, I personally like most of what was written - but I don't want to be included in anything that blames Prince and says he made the decision to hang out with people who couldn't save him, etc. I do not agree with that and do not want his spirit harmed. I think it's better to say nothing about certain things instead. Your sentiments are lovely for the most part, but the entire Org sending Jill Jones a statement in itself is an idea I don't like. We shouldn't be singling anyone out or giving one of the many people who were in Prince's life at one time a statement of any kind unless they're doing something major in his memory. Even then I think it should be run by other Orgers. We should make a committee for those things.

The letter wasn't from 'we' the org, it was from 'we' the people who agreed with the sentiments of the letter and asked to add their names, so don't worry, you weren't included...otherwise that would have involved putting words in ppls mouths, and we didn't want to do that, and we didn't do that. It's already been sent, and Jill was very happy to receive the support, and I think it's been helpful for those of us who did want to put out names on it, and did.

BlackBall said:

People aren't always jealous when they don't like something/someone. That is the simplified "reasoning" of 5th graders. I can't stand superficial money/fame grubbing dingbats like Mayte, MT or most of the long list of his sex objects because they were ignorant, talentless, oportunists who I would never give the time of day. However, following him meant being exposed to trash and the atrocious stripper dancing of Mayte whose main move consisted of thrusting her ass in his face. Go Mayte with your "female empowerment"! The fact that ppl continue to feel sorry for her shows how well her victim routine works. The only victim these days is her poor daughter whom she has used to try and fill the empty void in her life. Clearly Mayte manipulated P. into marriage thru "accidently" getting pregnant at the very time he was talking of marrying Nona Gaye. Is it any wonder he had hostility towards her that may have come out after the fetus died? No sweet "innocent" or loving person manipulates someone into marriage. He replaced M. with a slightly more intelligent (if u count calculating as intelligence) version with MT but she was no better or worse, just more of the same talentless starfuckers he attracted due to his goodheart and insecurities. Frankly, Bria is the ONLY one who has shown any class and was the one (who even at the time he was with her) seemed a bit different but not enough. Poor P. all this from those who claim to love him sooo much but were just parasites who now continue to feed off his fame.

Wow, are you going for some kind of award to see how much old-as-the-hills woman-hating you can cram into one comment?

Women are stupid. Check.

Women are trivial. Check.

Women are gold-diggers. Check.

Women are manipulative. Check.

Women are sluts. Check.

Women play the victm. Check.

Oh, those poor innocent men being led around by their dicks by such evil calculating (and yet trivial and idiotic) hussies. For Shame!

Please.

jayseajay said:

BlackBall said:

People aren't always jealous when they don't like something/someone. That is the simplified "reasoning" of 5th graders. I can't stand superficial money/fame grubbing dingbats like Mayte, MT or most of the long list of his sex objects because they were ignorant, talentless, oportunists who I would never give the time of day. However, following him meant being exposed to trash and the atrocious stripper dancing of Mayte whose main move consisted of thrusting her ass in his face. Go Mayte with your "female empowerment"! The fact that ppl continue to feel sorry for her shows how well her victim routine works. The only victim these days is her poor daughter whom she has used to try and fill the empty void in her life. Clearly Mayte manipulated P. into marriage thru "accidently" getting pregnant at the very time he was talking of marrying Nona Gaye. Is it any wonder he had hostility towards her that may have come out after the fetus died? No sweet "innocent" or loving person manipulates someone into marriage. He replaced M. with a slightly more intelligent (if u count calculating as intelligence) version with MT but she was no better or worse, just more of the same talentless starfuckers he attracted due to his goodheart and insecurities. Frankly, Bria is the ONLY one who has shown any class and was the one (who even at the time he was with her) seemed a bit different but not enough. Poor P. all this from those who claim to love him sooo much but were just parasites who now continue to feed off his fame.

Wow, are you going for some kind of award to see how much old-as-the-hills woman-hating you can cram into one comment?

Women are stupid. Check.

Women are trivial. Check.

Women are gold-diggers. Check.

Women are manipulative. Check.

Women are sluts. Check.

Women play the victm. Check.

Oh, those poor innocent men being led around by their dicks by such evil calculating (and yet trivial and idiotic) hussies. For Shame!

Please.

And in case you didn't notice, the man you are wheeling out this shit in defense of had less woman-hating in his entire body than you evidently have congealed in the tip of your little finger. That's one of the reasons he got laid so often. (Women like fucking men who don't hate women, crazy!) And I don't think he'd appreciate you using him as a pretext.

You really need to work on your reading comprehension as well as understanding BASIC Feminist theory & Capitalist critique Good luck!

jayseajay said:

BlackBall said:

People aren't always jealous when they don't like something/someone. That is the simplified "reasoning" of 5th graders. I can't stand superficial money/fame grubbing dingbats like Mayte, MT or most of the long list of his sex objects because they were ignorant, talentless, oportunists who I would never give the time of day. However, following him meant being exposed to trash and the atrocious stripper dancing of Mayte whose main move consisted of thrusting her ass in his face. Go Mayte with your "female empowerment"! The fact that ppl continue to feel sorry for her shows how well her victim routine works. The only victim these days is her poor daughter whom she has used to try and fill the empty void in her life. Clearly Mayte manipulated P. into marriage thru "accidently" getting pregnant at the very time he was talking of marrying Nona Gaye. Is it any wonder he had hostility towards her that may have come out after the fetus died? No sweet "innocent" or loving person manipulates someone into marriage. He replaced M. with a slightly more intelligent (if u count calculating as intelligence) version with MT but she was no better or worse, just more of the same talentless starfuckers he attracted due to his goodheart and insecurities. Frankly, Bria is the ONLY one who has shown any class and was the one (who even at the time he was with her) seemed a bit different but not enough. Poor P. all this from those who claim to love him sooo much but were just parasites who now continue to feed off his fame.

Wow, are you going for some kind of award to see how much old-as-the-hills woman-hating you can cram into one comment?

Women are stupid. Check.

Women are trivial. Check.

Women are gold-diggers. Check.

Women are manipulative. Check.

Women are sluts. Check.

Women play the victm. Check.

Oh, those poor innocent men being led around by their dicks by such evil calculating (and yet trivial and idiotic) hussies. For Shame!

Please.

[Edited 8/27/16 1:16am]

I'm stupid. That's all you've got??? Tremendous.

BlackBall said:

You really need to work on your reading comprehension as well as understanding BASIC Feminist theory & Capitalist critique Good luck!

jayseajay said:

Wow, are you going for some kind of award to see how much old-as-the-hills woman-hating you can cram into one comment?

Women are stupid. Check.

Women are trivial. Check.

Women are gold-diggers. Check.

Women are manipulative. Check.

Women are sluts. Check.

Women play the victm. Check.

Oh, those poor innocent men being led around by their dicks by such evil calculating (and yet trivial and idiotic) hussies. For Shame!

Please.

[Edited 8/27/16 1:16am

jayseajay said:

I'm stupid. That's all you've got??? Tremendous.

BlackBall said:

You really need to work on your reading comprehension as well as understanding BASIC Feminist theory & Capitalist critique Good luck!

[Edited 8/27/16 1:16am

Y'know, if you want to shame a woman into shutting the fuck up you really need to pick on her weak-spot. And if you want to make her feel insecure about not knowing anything about BASIC feminist theory and Capitalist critique you should probably make sure she doesn't have a degree in political science and a PhD in feminist philosophy first.

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jayseajay said:

jayseajay said:

I'm stupid. That's all you've got??? Tremendous.

Y'know, if you want to shame a woman into shutting the fuck up you really need to pick on her weak-spot. And if you want to make her feel insecure about not knowing anything about BASIC feminist theory and Capitalist critique you should probably make sure she doesn't have a degree in political science and a PhD in feminist philosophy first.

[Edited 8/27/16 1:23am]

And I'm going to leave it at that. Because arguing with woman-haters is my day job, and it's not what I come and hang out here for (strangely, most Prince fans aren't misogynists, can't think why), and I don't want to fill up this thread with this bile.

No one said all women are this or that, you did. I was speaking of specific people who have done specific things. Some women engage in Patriarchal behavior that benefits them and conforms to the WORST sterortypes of females. They are not given a magical pass simply because they are female. JJ is yet another who has made Prince's death about herself with her statements (that you support) and in the worst way. The inclusion of the unnecessary word "Afrocentric" in her statement is an indication that despite all of her PC language and psychobabble of how screwed she is. To give females a pass and not hold them accountable for their behavior simply because they are female is in itself sexist. Do they benefit from Patriarchy the same way men do? NO, but they are Patriarchal females who are essentially the house slaves thru the images and behavior that they engage in for their own benefit. DONE!

jayseajay said:

jayseajay said:

Y'know, if you want to shame a woman into shutting the fuck up you really need to pick on her weak-spot. And if you want to make her feel insecure about not knowing anything about BASIC feminist theory and Capitalist critique you should probably make sure she doesn't have a degree in political science and a PhD in feminist philosophy first.

[Edited 8/27/16 1:23am]

And I'm going to leave it at that. Because arguing with woman-haters is my day job, and it's not what I come and hang out here for (strangely, most Prince fans aren't misogynists, can't think why), and I don't want to fill up this thread with this bile.

BlackBall said:

No one said all women are this or that, you did. I was speaking of specific people who have done specific things. Some women engage in Patriarchal behavior that benefits them and conforms to the WORST sterortypes of females. They are not given a magical pass simply because they are female. JJ is yet another who has made Prince's death about herself with her statements (that you support) and in the worst way. The inclusion of the unnecessary word "Afrocentric" in her statement is an indication that despite all of her PC language and psychobabble of how screwed she is. To give females a pass and not hold them accountable for their behavior simply because they are female is in itself sexist. Do they benefit from Patriarchy the same way men do? NO, but they are Patriarchal females who are essentially the house slaves thru the images and behavior that they engage in for their own benefit. DONE!

jayseajay said:

And I'm going to leave it at that. Because arguing with woman-haters is my day job, and it's not what I come and hang out here for (strangely, most Prince fans aren't misogynists, can't think why), and I don't want to fill up this thread with this bile.

1.Oh, so calling me stupid didn't work and you've decided to try and thread together an argument. Well done. Progress.

2. You were speaking of specific people whose behavior you just happened to interpret using the 'WORST sterotypes of females' (we generally like to be called women, but I'll let that go for a moment). If you interpret women's behavior using an entire catalogue of misogynist stereotypes, don't be suprised if people think you might be a misogynist.

3. Prince is dead. His death is about us, because we're the one's here feeling things about him being dead. Either Prince is somewhere else (hopefully being delighted and laughing his ass off about what's going on over on the bedroom thread) or he is nowhere. Of course Jill's response to his death is about *her* response to his death, why on earth wouldn't it be? When people die other people have feelings about it, and when someone as special as Prince dies in such a terrible way, other people have *lots* of feelings about it, and those who were genuinely intimate with him over several years have *lots and lots* of feelings about it. That's as it should be. Why would you interpret it cynically, or as self-interest, or manipulation, or being an 'attention-whore' or whatever. Oh, let me see, maybe I should refer you to point 2?

4. This is a nice thread, there are lots of people here, most of whom are women, exchanging opinons, and organizing to send love to other people, and feeling sad for Prince, and trying to understand what went on with him, because we all care about him...and your response to that is to vomit a stream of nastiness about the women he chose to be close to...and to do it in supposed defense of him, when he would never, and never ever spoke about women in that way, and chose to spend his entire life mostly surrounded by women, and not only those he was romantically involved with. It's just incredibly disrespectul, both to him, and to the other people here...and in this case, it really is all about you.

5. So, I said I don't want to fill up this thread with this, and I really don't. I normally let this stuff slide a little (as I said, it's my day job, and it's not what I come here for). But that was just so egregious I couldn't. And with that, I really am out.

U can't argue with stupid

1Sasha said:

BlackBall said:

1Sasha said:

jayseajay said:

Krystalkisses said:

Sending loving thoughts towards Jill Jones' way....

Co-sign

Yes

Also I like what you said Jayseajay about Mayte. She needs a break. The fact that she's never had another mate... I really don't think she's over him.

Glad JJ had closure, and if she somehow sees this, I hope she doesn't blame herself. Addicts cling to their addiction at the cost of friends and family. I had a couple of those in my family and I can't get too close to them now, it makes me too sad.

I choose to be around positive people.

Prince made many genius choices and some poor ones -- the wandering eye, pushing away people who truly loved him -- but he fulfilled his dream of lifelong music-making.

[Edited 8/27/16 6:54am]

Krystalkisses said:

Ok that is really thought provoking....

....actually I can understand some women NOT wanting to be romantically involved with Prince. As sexy and fun as he was you kinda have to play by "his rules"...at least in the eighties and ninties that is the era I've read the most about him...I really don't know much about religious Prince....

....but just knowing his history with women and whatever philosophies he had on relationships-if you were the type of woman who could just have fun with him and enjoy him without getting your feelings involved then I'm sure it was a great experience and you could walk away happy but if you were the type of woman where once you sleep with a man it activates all those bonding hormones and you want exclusivity...well then.... ...probably best you stay away from him!

But I'm sure he could be a great wonderful person at times and a woman could learn a lot hanging with him for a bit..probably a better experience being his "friend" rather than a "love"....

Absolutely.

Gosh! The two women are getting so much hate around here. I wouldn't want to be any of them especially right now.

Damn, that's harsh. I would not say his life was "empty". I would say it was troubled.

Have you ever considered that Prince died alone because he spent too much time attempting to be the perfect musican and rock star everyone (including himself) wanted him to be. The musical world seems to have no place of relevancy for musicans over 40, it seems. So of course he surrounded himself with younger people and musicans. Also, do you really think those comments from Prince to Jill were intended as a marriage proposal or something . He is talking like a mentor. The dude liked pretty women around him--obviously (and the pretty assistant is kind of an annoying concept--I'll give you that). But later in life, he seemed to be much more paternal than anything else. I think he enjoyed young people's company, but I don't think bedding them was necessarily what he had in mind.

Also, there are lots of beautiful aspiring so and so's in that world, but the women Prince surrounded himself with were often talented (Andy, Tamar) , charismatic, or had at least half a brain on their shoulders. Are there smarter more mature woman in the world?..Sure. But most of them don't keep Prince's hours and have careers and families to attend to? Young women don't have those attachments yet.

You guys also forget women like Liv, Shelby, Chaka, that one middle-aged white background singer (whose name escapes me), Candy Dulfer, Mavis, Rhonda ...Women he hired (or worked with) and seemed to like and respect. I am sorry--LIv and Shelby seem really really cool but neither one of them are eye candy.

As for Mayte and Manuela, I think it was more complicated than Prince just being a svengali thinking with his dick. BOth women probably had their own charms and were willing to fit into that lifestyle. In other words, environment is as much of a factor in his choices of mates as anything else. Did he mold them-- probably to keep them close and because he had some control issues, sure.. but we can not presume to know what their intimate conversations were like and how much influence they may have had on him. Mayte said he became a vegetarian because of her. I once saw Mayte do a massive crowd dive off the stage (and she was not caught). She got up, seemed a bit pissed and was shouting something to security. I don't think she was a weak-willed as some make her out to be.

Another thing to consider is that although I do believe Prince was a lonely man, he did have people who allowed him to call them at 4:30 in the morning (Tamron Hall, Neal whatshis name, etc) and he did have some intelligent male friends (Tavis, Van Jones). His loneliness was partly his own fault but I do think people did like the man for more than just his fame and money.

And I do believe that people could easily be duped by prince into believing he was not a drug addict....up to about a year ago, that is.. (with the exception of his inner inner circle). Prince compartimentalized his life. He was eccentric, at times aloof, coy, always on the run, fast working, mysteries, and jokingly mischievous...some odd behavior (that might have been a result of pain pill usage) might have been mistakingly attributed to that. Looking at the last moments and performances of his, one could easily convince themselves that prince had an eating disorder and was working too hard. And I bet you a billion dollars, people told him to eat more and get more sleep. I am not talking about his inner circle/assistants when I say this of course. They knew he was popping pills--how could they have not. the rest I am not so sure.

1Sasha said:

IMO he was famous, powerful, wealthy and straight: groupie-types, aspiring singers and actresses, and girls aspiring for a husband flocked to him. For over 35 years. The first thing I thought when I read the Judith Hill interview was, "Well, she just had $300 million slip through her fingers," especially after she said he said he would take care of her. At some point, a man in his position has to grow up and realize he needs something other than arm candy. Or you get to be 57 and all alone in your massive, empty life with pills in your pocket.

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PrplGem said:

cloveringold85 said:

Tell it like it is!! I agree with you, 100%. People try to paint Mayte as a victim, but she's not. Listen to "Man O War" -- I think Prince is referring to Mayte. Prince was good to her. Mayte was devestated when Prince left her, and I feel bad about that, but Mayte went on to date Tommy Lee, of all people! Now, come on!! A "good girl" doesn't date someone like that, imo!! Like you said, both Mayte and Manuela used Prince, one way or another. Prince did not want the divorce from Manuela. I'm not sure what happened between him and Bria, but she married someone in the JW. Maybe Prince was too much for her to handle?

& Denise (vanity) went on to date & etc. with nikki sixx.. I'm sorry, I'm not understanding the point you're trying to prove..

I totally went Girl whatever when I read that. What an idiotic thing to put out there. You DO realize that Prince and Tommy Lee are the exact same dude, right? Oh, probably a minor difference or two, but REALLY, wtf, go back the 1950's with that bull, now.

1Sasha said: