30yearfan said:

babynoz said:

paulludvig said:

PeteSilas said: she's really good with those harmonies.

Shame on you. Why haven't you warned Pete that speaking of any revolution era associate with anything other than awe and reverence is taboo, especially the Melvoins. it's against org doctrine.

That being said, susanna is over-rated....always was.

On topic, I have never seen any evidence that she was anything more to him than his other bedmates at the time, so what was there to resolve? Everybody questions Sheila while taking anything susanna says at face value for some reason. For example, can somebody post a pic of her wearing an engagement ring or Prince specifically saying they were engaged? If so, I will gladly stand corrected. Otherwise it's just more org mythology to me.

She was definetly given a ring. It was pretty widely reported in the media when it happened. If you watch the anotherlover..video from the 1986 Detroit b-day show you will see the ring.

I don't doubt the validity of their relationship...but I also think P may have been a serial proposer!

simm0061 said:

babynoz said:

Shame on you. Why haven't you warned Pete that speaking of any revolution era associate with anything other than awe and reverence is taboo, especially the Melvoins. it's against org doctrine.

That being said, susanna is over-rated....always was.

On topic, I have never seen any evidence that she was anything more to him than his other bedmates at the time, so what was there to resolve? Everybody questions Sheila while taking anything susanna says at face value for some reason. For example, can somebody post a pic of her wearing an engagement ring or Prince specifically saying they were engaged? If so, I will gladly stand corrected. Otherwise it's just more org mythology to me.

She was definetly given a ring. It was pretty widely reported in the media when it happened. If you watch the anotherlover..video from the 1986 Detroit b-day show you will see the ring.

I don't doubt the validity of their relationship...but I also think P may have been a serial proposer!

Thanks, I'll check it out. Serial proposer sounds about right.

simm0061 said:

simm0061 said:

She was definetly given a ring. It was pretty widely reported in the media when it happened. If you watch the anotherlover..video from the 1986 Detroit b-day show you will see the ring.

I don't doubt the validity of their relationship...but I also think P may have been a serial proposer!

who else did he propose to? SMelvoin, Sheila and his 2 wives are the only ones i've heard of? there were plenty others.

simm0061 said:

babynoz said:

Shame on you. Why haven't you warned Pete that speaking of any revolution era associate with anything other than awe and reverence is taboo, especially the Melvoins. it's against org doctrine.

That being said, susanna is over-rated....always was.

On topic, I have never seen any evidence that she was anything more to him than his other bedmates at the time, so what was there to resolve? Everybody questions Sheila while taking anything susanna says at face value for some reason. For example, can somebody post a pic of her wearing an engagement ring or Prince specifically saying they were engaged? If so, I will gladly stand corrected. Otherwise it's just more org mythology to me.

She was definetly given a ring. It was pretty widely reported in the media when it happened. If you watch the anotherlover..video from the 1986 Detroit b-day show you will see the ring.

I don't doubt the validity of their relationship...but I also think P may have been a serial proposer!

Susannah being engaged having an engagement ring and living with Prince was open knowledged.

I think we talked about it in another thread about Sheila e being engaged(along with Susannah, Mayte etc) Prince's life was totally intertwined with the music, the fantasy, the utopia etc. He lived his life onstage/video/concert/studio

The Belle of St. Mark, he don't talk 2 strangers, he's so mysterious
His erotic persuasion provokes me like no other man
The fire I have 4 him is undoubtedly serious
I need 2 make him see that he needs love 2 forget
And if anyone can help him, I can
I can help, I can help U

With Sheila E her 'protege' connection with Prince was always about 'the secret affair/the mysterious lover & unrequited love' When Prince was caught up in his Lovesexy on stage and asked Sheila E to marry him, it happened. Just the way she said it. But the fantasy + reality was still in play. Her relationship was never 'confirmed' openly. Daddy Escovedo said he knew about it back then, but it always seemed to be a secret. Even Cat said (even though there was nothing between her and Prince) that Sheila could be mean to her at times because of Jealousy. Cat was on the floor with Prince dancing and imitating relationship with Prince on stage while Sheila was behind the drum set. Prior between 1984-1986 when she was with the Revolution or Prince was jamming with her band, they both were on the floor together doing the same things Prince & Cat were imitating.

There's a nasty rumor that's goin' 'round
People think that U and, U and I are goin' down
They insist that we're more, more than just friends
So I'm gonna stick around until this movie ends

When we look at Susannah her connection was intertwined with Family:Twin sister Wendy, brother Jonathon Melvoin who was friends with Prince, did some stuff on a couple albums, keyboardist forthe Family band, the Melvoin father, also Clare Fisher is is friend, Lisa Coleman(and David Coleman) family friends of the Melvoins etc

Now the Mayte relation is a much different thing. Prince went from being with women close to his age, and women of a maturity. To someone who was much much younger.

Prince was definately in love with the ideal of love and being in love. marriage a part of that early on his music. But outside of Susannah Sheila E Mayte (I heard he was juggling the possibility with Nona Gaye?) and then Mani. What oher women did he allegedly propose to? I never heard of any others.

wavesofbliss said:

simm0061 said:

She was definetly given a ring. It was pretty widely reported in the media when it happened. If you watch the anotherlover..video from the 1986 Detroit b-day show you will see the ring.

I don't doubt the validity of their relationship...but I also think P may have been a serial proposer!

who else did he propose to? SMelvoin, Sheila and his 2 wives are the only ones i've heard of? there were plenty others.

I've never heard of any others either.

Mani was the only one not directly intertwined with the music.

OldFriends4Sale said:

wavesofbliss said:

who else did he propose to? SMelvoin, Sheila and his 2 wives are the only ones i've heard of? there were plenty others.

I've never heard of any others either.

Mani was the only one not directly intertwined with the music.

I read Nona Gaye "thought" they were engaged but then hear P gave Mayte a ring. When she questioned him he got defensive. So, that makes 5 we heard about (which is a lot) so I'm assumming at least 5 more we havent heard about lol. I think the Susannah, along with the 2 wives were the only serious proposals. With the others I suspect marriage was alluded to just to keep them around.

The ebony interview was interesting. Some songs were just written for scenes in the movie and he let it known that TBO is one of them. It's not about Vanity or SM. It's about the scene with Morris and Appolonia at the club. Actually Susannah went on record via her manager that she never thought the song was about her. Susan Rogers is the one who suggested that it was.

OldFriends4Sale said:

simm0061 said:

She was definetly given a ring. It was pretty widely reported in the media when it happened. If you watch the anotherlover..video from the 1986 Detroit b-day show you will see the ring.

I don't doubt the validity of their relationship...but I also think P may have been a serial proposer!

Susannah being engaged having an engagement ring and living with Prince was open knowledged.

I think we talked about it in another thread about Sheila e being engaged(along with Susannah, Mayte etc) Prince's life was totally intertwined with the music, the fantasy, the utopia etc. He lived his life onstage/video/concert/studio

The Belle of St. Mark, he don't talk 2 strangers, he's so mysterious
His erotic persuasion provokes me like no other man
The fire I have 4 him is undoubtedly serious
I need 2 make him see that he needs love 2 forget
And if anyone can help him, I can
I can help, I can help U

With Sheila E her 'protege' connection with Prince was always about 'the secret affair/the mysterious lover & unrequited love' When Prince was caught up in his Lovesexy on stage and asked Sheila E to marry him, it happened. Just the way she said it. But the fantasy + reality was still in play. Her relationship was never 'confirmed' openly. Daddy Escovedo said he knew about it back then, but it always seemed to be a secret. Even Cat said (even though there was nothing between her and Prince) that Sheila could be mean to her at times because of Jealousy. Cat was on the floor with Prince dancing and imitating relationship with Prince on stage while Sheila was behind the drum set. Prior between 1984-1986 when she was with the Revolution or Prince was jamming with her band, they both were on the floor together doing the same things Prince & Cat were imitating.

There's a nasty rumor that's goin' 'round
People think that U and, U and I are goin' down
They insist that we're more, more than just friends
So I'm gonna stick around until this movie ends

When we look at Susannah her connection was intertwined with Family:Twin sister Wendy, brother Jonathon Melvoin who was friends with Prince, did some stuff on a couple albums, keyboardist forthe Family band, the Melvoin father, also Clare Fisher is is friend, Lisa Coleman(and David Coleman) family friends of the Melvoins etc

Now the Mayte relation is a much different thing. Prince went from being with women close to his age, and women of a maturity. To someone who was much much younger.

Prince was definately in love with the ideal of love and being in love. marriage a part of that early on his music. But outside of Susannah Sheila E Mayte (I heard he was juggling the possibility with Nona Gaye?) and then Mani. What oher women did he allegedly propose to? I never heard of any others.

I think it is also widely known that sheila is gay. To add an additional lyric to the above song "If they knew the real truth, they'd probably die" She had an affair with Prince (many gay women find him attractive) but her preference is for women. Which is somthing to this day she seems to actively hide.

I think it is also widely known that sheila is gay. To add an additional lyric to the above song "If they knew the real truth, they'd probably die" She had an affair with Prince (many gay women find him attractive) but her preference is for women. Which is somthing to this day she seems to actively hide.

who is she dating? when did this happen? lisa and wendy have said nothing, me'shell, melissa etheridge.. - the lesbian musician community is a very small world. i need receipts!

Lol Here is the interview: https://www.facebook.com/...=meddle.it [Edited 8/2/16 6:42am]

Thanks so much for posting the article! My gosh, Prince seems so different in these last years! I mean in a good way. I've never read an article where he was this candid and reflective really. Oh and I love Hit and Run Phase 2.

simm0061 said:

luvgirl said:

simm0061 said:

I read Nona Gaye "thought" they were engaged but then hear P gave Mayte a ring. When she questioned him he got defensive. So, that makes 5 we heard about (which is a lot) so I'm assumming at least 5 more we havent heard about lol. I think the Susannah, along with the 2 wives were the only serious proposals. With the others I suspect marriage was alluded to just to keep them around.

The ebony interview was interesting. Some songs were just written for scenes in the movie and he let it known that TBO is one of them. It's not about Vanity or SM. It's about the scene with Morris and Appolonia at the club. Actually Susannah went on record via her manager that she never thought the song was about her. Susan Rogers is the one who suggested that it was.

That's what I was thinking. Five is a lot! Lol. Also, he alludes to marriage in some of his songs known to have been written for lovers. Not a serious gesture, but that fact that he's always alluding to it is telling. His statement was a little disjointed but I think he was saying that the part where he sang, do you want him or do you want me, was for the scene in Purple Rain and the part where he sang, the beautiful ones you always seem to lose, was specifically for Vanity because she had just quit the movie. I could be wrong. The statement was a bit confusing. Did anyone else come to the same conclusion? https://www.facebook.com/...=meddle.it [Edited 8/3/16 4:40am]

You have to remember that Prince was speaking to a reporter and he knew that his quotes were going to be public record. He makes the first statement that TBO was about the scene in the movie and about Vanity, who had just left him when he wrote it. Later in the interview he says the song was about him with a laugh. I think he was realizing that he was revealing more than he wanted to already in the interview. If you look at the comments that the reporter Miles said before the interview was posted, it's very telling. He said that Prince asked him to keep some secrets and that they was talking about The Beautiful ones and Vanity, as well as Tidal and Morris Day. I think that is one of the reasons that Prince had the interview pulled, because Prince had revealed more than he wanted to. Then we have the Melbourne show where Prince was so open and candid because he didn't have time to think about his image or public reaction. He just kept it real. In the show he said she knows about this one, before he sang TBO and he also repeated her name Denise at the end of the song. So if she knew about the song, then at some point in time, Prince told Vanity the song was about her. The person who started the rumor about the song being about Susannah is the same one Prince blasted in the same interview, Susan Rogers. I don't understand why this is still a debate. He wrote the song about Vanity end of story.

30yearfan said:

nona only believed he was going to marry her. no ring = just a line. "i'm gonna marry you and take care of you." sounds just like some player shit. and played right into family history: janice was 16 when she was left alone with marvin gaye. they did get married.

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just like he allegedly told judy hill she reminded him of his first lover.... that's old school game but it doesn't make it true. impressionable young women believe what they want and need to believe.

Bottom line, most of this stuff is heresay and conjecture. He only said "I do" to two women. Whoever said that alluding to marriage is a player move is right. A whole lot of men besides Prince use that line.....especially old school playas.

Susanna reportedly left him. Allegedly he was never exclusive with her to begin with so regarding the OP, what was there to resolve?

wavesofbliss said:

nona only believed he was going to marry her. no ring = just a line. "i'm gonna marry you and take care of you." sounds just like some player shit. and played right into family history: janice was 16 when she was left alone with marvin gaye. they did get married.

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just like he allegedly told judy hill she reminded him of his first lover.... that's old school game but it doesn't make it true. impressionable young women believe what they want and need to believe.

That is sorta what I thought, concerning Nona. Plus she was 'allegedly' doing drugs? That wasn't going to go far with Prince. So he turned 2 a very wholesome image...

wavesofbliss said:

I think it is also widely known that sheila is gay. To add an additional lyric to the above song "If they knew the real truth, they'd probably die" She had an affair with Prince (many gay women find him attractive) but her preference is for women. Which is somthing to this day she seems to actively hide.

who is she dating? when did this happen? lisa and wendy have said nothing, me'shell, melissa etheridge.. - the lesbian musician community is a very small world. i need receipts!

LOL I heard the same thing (only on the Org though)

IDK about that...

It's possible.
I know in the more recent years, she makes a strong point, when singing Erotic City to say

"All of my purple life, I've been looking for a MAN!!" she stress the word like that

i had posted ona p and sheila thread about an interview sheila did with candy dulfer in which candy asks sheila why she never married and had her own family. sheila anwsered that since she had been working through being raped as a child, she found it difficult to have relationships with men. i can believe that. but the absence of a romantic/sexual relationship with a man does not mean she has romantic/sexual relationship with women. two separate things but maybe some people don't get that.

wavesofbliss said:

i had posted ona p and sheila thread about an interview sheila did with candy dulfer in which candy asks sheila why she never married and had her own family. sheila anwsered that since she had been working through being raped as a child, she found it difficult to have relationships with men. i can believe that. but the absence of a romantic/sexual relationship with a man does not mean she has romantic/sexual relationship with women. two separate things but maybe some people don't get that.

I said the same, after I read about the sexual abuse.
Vanity went through similar issues.

OldFriends4Sale said:

wavesofbliss said:

i had posted ona p and sheila thread about an interview sheila did with candy dulfer in which candy asks sheila why she never married and had her own family. sheila anwsered that since she had been working through being raped as a child, she found it difficult to have relationships with men. i can believe that. but the absence of a romantic/sexual relationship with a man does not mean she has romantic/sexual relationship with women. two separate things but maybe some people don't get that.

I said the same, after I read about the sexual abuse.
Vanity went through similar issues.

interesting and sad. to be honest i never thought that much about vanity after she left prince. i knew she dated adam ant because i loved him too in the 80's. i loved her 'under the influence' album and thought she was gorgeous in' the last dragon' but never knew much about her life. i only found out about her evangelism work around 2004.

I've heard that Sheila E. was lesbian twenty years ago. I heard it was well known to the people who knew her, and that she was also a very sweet person.

Krystalkisses said:

Lol Here is the interview: https://www.facebook.com/...=meddle.it [Edited 8/2/16 6:42am]

Thanks so much for posting the article! My gosh, Prince seems so different in these last years! I mean in a good way. I've never read an article where he was this candid and reflective really. Oh and I love Hit and Run Phase 2.

great interview, hard to follow his train of thought, but maybe it's me, i'm kinda tired but he seems to be really all over the place. Anyway, strange how he said susan Rodgers was a threat and that he should fear her. She was the one who made him sound like a nut and was scared of him when he had that exstasy trip.Also, the one who sold his jacket to hard rock sounds like Brown Mark, he's the only male who talked shit about Prince and didn't seem to really like him. As always, as a musician, Prince sounds like a total pro and knows what he's saying as far as that goes.

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

But it wasn't just Susannah it was Susan Rogers and a few others.

we got paid weekly. We got paychecks and it wasn't a lot of money. No joke. I mean, it's embarrassing. But, when we were that young, it was for the love of the music. I didn't have a family, so, I wasn't worried about the kids, the mortgage or anything like that. I was along for the ride.

-4.18.2013 Susannah

Prince said he didn't fire Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis...
So it does matter what others have said.
I think it's a bitter response from Prince. Maybe he wrote if inspired by Susannah & Vanity.
He also talke regularly with Susannah up till 2013

That wasn't the context Susan Rogers was talking about. She was talking about protecting his legacy. Susan Rogers as constantly as well spoken about Prince and his creative process and her time with him wonderfully. He asked her in 1987 if she loved him and if she would stay. She said she couldn't and Prince's 'love turned cold and bitter'

I've worked with amazing people...my dream artists. I've worked with everybody I've ever wanted to and I feel blessed: Stevie Wonder, Erykah Badu, D'Angelo, Bilal, my sister and Lisa, the musicians in fDeluxe, Oliver Leiber, Chaka Khan...

---- It does not matter if they did not make much money back then because everybody makes low pay in the industry when they start out. Even Prince I suspect was in debt to the label at the begining his first record was a bomb. If they felt their pay was low they could have left. You don't keep bitching about a job from 30 years ago especially if it was for the love of the music. Both Susans need to more on. It is not Susan Rogers job to protect Prince's legacy. No one appointed her to anything. You really don't see how she was stepping out of bounds not to mention speaking as if he was already dead!! I belive he got Morris to fire Jimmy and Terry in addition they admit that they were told not to give the sound away to other groups and they missed a show. Anyway they landed on their feet and never looked back. As far as Vanity is concerned I figured out a long time ago that this women will never catch a break on this board. According to her brother in law Prince wrote long letters to her and he has said he has copies of the letters. If he publishs those letters I think you and other orgers are going to be surprised.

I hope he shares the letters !

I do not think I will be surprised.

PeteSilas said:

Krystalkisses said:

Thanks so much for posting the article! My gosh, Prince seems so different in these last years! I mean in a good way. I've never read an article where he was this candid and reflective really. Oh and I love Hit and Run Phase 2.

great interview, hard to follow his train of thought, but maybe it's me, i'm kinda tired but he seems to be really all over the place. Anyway, strange how he said susan Rodgers was a threat and that he should fear her. She was the one who made him sound like a nut and was scared of him when he had that exstasy trip.Also, the one who sold his jacket to hard rock sounds like Brown Mark, he's the only male who talked shit about Prince and didn't seem to really like him. As always, as a musician, Prince sounds like a total pro and knows what he's saying as far as that goes.

He wants the interviewer to focus on the now, not the past at all. And it did seem a bit hard to follow, Im not sure if it's because pieces were cut out or if he was speaking like that in incomplete sentences. *sigh* It is what it is. Enjoyed the interview still.

[Edited 8/3/16 16:21pm]

morningsong said:

wavesofbliss said:

i had posted ona p and sheila thread about an interview sheila did with candy dulfer in which candy asks sheila why she never married and had her own family. sheila anwsered that since she had been working through being raped as a child, she found it difficult to have relationships with men. i can believe that. but the absence of a romantic/sexual relationship with a man does not mean she has romantic/sexual relationship with women. two separate things but maybe some people don't get that.

It has long been rumored that she is "married" to a woman with whom she has also worked very closely with for many many years. I'm not going to name her because she is not a celeb or P associate. I will say that she isn't a musician. A little home work and you'll figure it out.

simm0061 said:

luvgirl said:

simm0061 said:

It has long been rumored that she is "married" to a woman with whom she has also worked very closely with for many many years. I'm not going to name her because she is not a celeb or P associate. I will say that she isn't a musician. A little home work and you'll figure it out.

Oh snap! Say what now!? But why would she hide it in this day and age? [Edited 8/3/16 18:29pm]

older generations do that, if she were a 25 year old, she might not feel the need to.

PeteSilas said:

luvgirl said:

simm0061 said: Oh snap! Say what now!? But why would she hide it in this day and age? [Edited 8/3/16 18:29pm]

older generations do that, if she were a 25 year old, she might not feel the need to.

erm, sorry guys. i need receipts. rumors usually pan out over 20 yrs esp. in this day and age. every other rumor of 20yrs ago has revealled itself one way or another. countless examples; from the women i mentioned in my earlier post to the "rumors " about mj's behavoir with adolescent boys, r.kelly's behavior with underage girls, queen latifah and her girl, missy elliot and tweet, the boy band scenes, whitney smoking crack, bill cosby the rapist, charlie sheen.....

all of that has been proven one way or the other over time. i heard sheila was gay back in 98', still no receipts.

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fwiw, i know people who have seen keanu with both men and women (another popular rumor in the 90s) but no one has "proof" or confession the sheila's gay. just like my parents told me prince was gay back in 85'. the man has gone on to eternity and still absolutely no proof or allegations that he ever had a male lover.

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trust me, i'm cool with sheila being gay if she is, but when there is only rumor after 20+ yrs...... i can't believe it. sorry. a slow burning fire will blaze if it goes on long enough. all smoke and no blaze...