LEATHRSAIL said:

Sigh.....

Back in the day, when the Revolution was broken up, I was shocked to hear the Revolution were week to week hired employees. I was shocked that they didn't have a contract with Warner Bros. The contract was only with Prince and not Prince & The Revolution. I remember reading that Wendy's weekly salary was $300.00 a week. That's what I made that in 1987 as a file clerk. But I was not in a major band, or on MTV. Many people, not just Wendy & Lisa have said that they contributed to Prince's music but didn't get the proper pay. The Family was on the radio, yet the band never had a contract. Levi Seacer, Jr, Tony M, Rosie Gaines, and more all said they contributed and didn't get the proper credit, and the result..... proper pay. Yet Prince complained he wasn't paid properly for his music. Prince said he had two Time albums in the vault. Ok..... if musicians should own their masters. Why didn't the Time hold those masters? If he belived what he stated about his own music, then why didn't he have the same respect for what others did? Wendy & Lisa said they were willing to work on the Roadhouse Garden album. But Prince was not going to pay them. People have asked Wendy & Lisa why Prince's music doesn't sound like it did when they were with him. The answer is..... They are not with him anymore. Yes they were a major part of what Prince published in what is known as "the golden age of Prince". When I read this site all anyone talks about is the lost Dream Factory album and the lost Crystal Ball album. Yet I don't hear cries for The Rainbow Children outtakes. Or a day by day examination of everything of the time around TRC. Not like the time around Dream Factory or Crystal Ball.

Now that he is gone you people are going to down them for getting a slight paycheck for work they never got properly paid for in the first place? Really?

For me this is not about money. For me this is about being able to see the Revolution. What I was sold back in the day was Prince & The Revolution..... Not just Prince.... When he died they had all kinds of big names on CNN commenting on his passing. I was wondering where were the members of the Revolution? Turned out they were with each other and other production people they worked with when they were with Prince. For me.... It was not too soon. For me it was what I needed.

I know this is going to spark hatred for what I wrote here. Because it was all Prince and nobody else.

This is the truth.

Prince ripped off a lot of people. He was not a nice man.

Linn4days said:

LEATHRSAIL said:

Sigh.....

Back in the day, when the Revolution was broken up, I was shocked to hear the Revolution were week to week hired employees. I was shocked that they didn't have a contract with Warner Bros. The contract was only with Prince and not Prince & The Revolution. I remember reading that Wendy's weekly salary was $300.00 a week. That's what I made that in 1987 as a file clerk. But I was not in a major band, or on MTV. Many people, not just Wendy & Lisa have said that they contributed to Prince's music but didn't get the proper pay. The Family was on the radio, yet the band never had a contract. Levi Seacer, Jr, Tony M, Rosie Gaines, and more all said they contributed and didn't get the proper credit, and the result..... proper pay. Yet Prince complained he wasn't paid properly for his music. Prince said he had two Time albums in the vault. Ok..... if musicians should own their masters. Why didn't the Time hold those masters? If he belived what he stated about his own music, then why didn't he have the same respect for what others did? Wendy & Lisa said they were willing to work on the Roadhouse Garden album. But Prince was not going to pay them. People have asked Wendy & Lisa why Prince's music doesn't sound like it did when they were with him. The answer is..... They are not with him anymore. Yes they were a major part of what Prince published in what is known as "the golden age of Prince". When I read this site all anyone talks about is the lost Dream Factory album and the lost Crystal Ball album. Yet I don't hear cries for The Rainbow Children outtakes. Or a day by day examination of everything of the time around TRC. Not like the time around Dream Factory or Crystal Ball.

Now that he is gone you people are going to down them for getting a slight paycheck for work they never got properly paid for in the first place? Really?

For me this is not about money. For me this is about being able to see the Revolution. What I was sold back in the day was Prince & The Revolution..... Not just Prince.... When he died they had all kinds of big names on CNN commenting on his passing. I was wondering where were the members of the Revolution? Turned out they were with each other and other production people they worked with when they were with Prince. For me.... It was not too soon. For me it was what I needed.

I know this is going to spark hatred for what I wrote here. Because it was all Prince and nobody else.

His best stuff (musically and not lyrically) seem to have been written in that Purple house all by himself, or in LA all by himself.....The live 1st Avenue verions of the Purple Rain tracks aside, he worked better alone.

Not the point. Others played on a lot of those records, yet were not paid as such.

Bob Dylans drummer was getting $1200 per week at one point in the 70's. Prince paid the time 150, he paid the Revolution 300. VERY GREEDY.

antonb said:

Well i was disappointed with the quick gathering of the Revolution and announcement of shows so quickly after his death. It was like. yes, now we can finally make some money. Thats how it came across to me.

Thought the same thing! Oh and that the only one that aged well is Brown Mark

Well timing is everything

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

Some great points for and against made. Just spotted Susannah will start selling "star fish & coffee' related T-shirts!. Ok where do we stand on that? Tacky & an obvious cash in OR she needs the cash so lets support her?(i think she has hinted her finances r not great?) Must admit i have mellowed since starting the thread BUT i still have reservations. I just want my Prince back.

According to the takedown notices she's filed, she has IP rights to it. So you can freely and enthusiastically offer her the same fervent support you would offer Prince for selling the shirt.

BrownMark has said that,in 1986,Stevie Nicks offered him "three times what I was making in the Revolution" to be her bassist.He stayed for the Parade Tour out of loyalty.

LEATHRSAIL said:

Back in the day, when the Revolution was broken up, I was shocked to hear the Revolution were week to week hired employees. I was shocked that they didn't have a contract with Warner Bros. The contract was only with Prince and not Prince & The Revolution. I remember reading that Wendy's weekly salary was $300.00 a week. That's what I made that in 1987 as a file clerk. But I was not in a major band, or on MTV.

keenly said:

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

Some great points for and against made. Just spotted Susannah will start selling "star fish & coffee' related T-shirts!. Ok where do we stand on that? Tacky & an obvious cash in OR she needs the cash so lets support her?(i think she has hinted her finances r not great?) Must admit i have mellowed since starting the thread BUT i still have reservations. I just want my Prince back.

She made a huge deal about someone else selling a similar t-shirt. Lot's of talk about copyright and Prince's legacy. Turns out she was just competing for the same market

SexFiendNikki said:

When random people like Madonna pay tribute folks aren't happy. When the people closest to him pay tribute folks aren't happy. Morris Day and the Revolution are musicians and they are honoring Prince in a way that feels right to them. I would imagine getting out and performing is more cathartic than sitting home watching people like Madonna butcher his songs. If not the people who worked with him in the past, then who should be out singing his songs?

This.

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

Some great points for and against made. Just spotted Susannah will start selling "star fish & coffee' related T-shirts!. Ok where do we stand on that? Tacky & an obvious cash in OR she needs the cash so lets support her?(i think she has hinted her finances r not great?) Must admit i have mellowed since starting the thread BUT i still have reservations. I just want my Prince back.

I'd buy it from her. Why not, the whole story of the song came from her. Why not her, but to someone else unrelated...

Think about all those people who took those purple boxes and sold them on Ebay or somewhere else

OldFriends4Sale said:

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

Some great points for and against made. Just spotted Susannah will start selling "star fish & coffee' related T-shirts!. Ok where do we stand on that? Tacky & an obvious cash in OR she needs the cash so lets support her?(i think she has hinted her finances r not great?) Must admit i have mellowed since starting the thread BUT i still have reservations. I just want my Prince back.

I'd buy it from her. Why not, the whole story of the song came from her. Why not her, but to someone else unrelated...

Think about all those people who took those purple boxes and sold them on Ebay or somewhere else

She presents herself as a co-writer and lyricist of the song, which is a bit of a stretch. Shouldn't her t-shirt say Starfish and Pee Pee?

Wendy and Lisa irk my soul, they always acted like they were entitled and the Revolution should last 4ever. They had words when she noticed that he was trying to go to his african american roots and hire african american dancers. Prince was not gonna stay in the same genre 4ever. thats the prolific musician he was.

No im not going to see a revolution concert without Prince. Id definitely wanna C Morris Day and the Time.

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Noodled24 said:

I don't care. I just don't see how it would work...

"Do you like Prince?"

YES

"Do You like Purple Rain"

YES

"Would you like to see the band Prince sacked in '86 play the songs from Purple Rain"

SORT OF...

"Without Prince"

FUCK NO.

The Time are a different beast. They were a band unto themselves (kind of)... They have a catalog, They have a front man, and they could cover a lot of Prince songs with a degree of authenticity.

EXXXXXXXACTLY! lol

paulludvig said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I'd buy it from her. Why not, the whole story of the song came from her. Why not her, but to someone else unrelated...

Think about all those people who took those purple boxes and sold them on Ebay or somewhere else

She presents herself as a co-writer and lyricist of the song, which is a bit of a stretch. Shouldn't her t-shirt say Starfish and Pee Pee?

well she is. so she gets shit if she does it, but someone else tries to market it and it is ok..

Gamillione said:

Wendy and Lisa irk my soul, they always acted like they were entitled and the Revolution should last 4ever. They had words when she noticed that he was trying to go to his african american roots and hire african american dancers. Prince was not gonna stay in the same genre 4ever. thats the prolific musician he was.

No im not going to see a revolution concert without Prince. Id definitely wanna C Morris Day and the Time.

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that isn't how it went at all. people tried to insinuate race into the issue which is so untrue

Wendy became a fan when she was dancing to Soft & Wet, and Lisa was right in the middle working with Prince since his earlier 1980s with the Time Andre Dez BrownMark.

He nevr said that and she/they never had issue with the music.
Prince never 'changed' genre he never played 1 type of music.

OldFriends4Sale said:

I've been wanting the Revolution to reunite without Prince for years so I will happily give them my cash. Although I'd prefer to hear them record new music together with Wendy & Lisa on vocals than recycle old Prince songs. Essentially what I want is a new Wendy & Lisa album with the Revolution as their backing band.

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Gamillione said:

Wendy and Lisa irk my soul, they always acted like they were entitled and the Revolution should last 4ever.

[Edited 6/7/16 9:09am]

Most casual fans of Michael Jackson can't name three people from his bands. Once he left his brothers, and went solo, nobody really kept up with his bands. Who were in MJ's bands? I'll wait. Crickets.

Prince never got full credit. Prince would have saved himself from headaches, and all this whining if he never named the band, gave them such high profile. He had the ability to write, sing, play, dance and record. I went to his shows to see Prince, not the bands. Really wasn't important who was behind him for the most part. Most of the many shows I have seen, stood in line to see, brought friends, only two people asked about the band. Shrug. Oh, that's right. I was waiting patiently for him to come with his microphone and piano tour, (with no band).

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sexton said:

I've been wanting the Revolution to reunite without Prince for years so I will happily give them my cash. Although I'd prefer to hear them record new music together with Wendy & Lisa on vocals than recycle old Prince songs. Essentially what I want is a new Wendy & Lisa album with the Revolution as their backing band.

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Oh man, that would make some people SO ANGRY.

Gamillione said:

Wendy and Lisa irk my soul, they always acted like they were entitled

No.

And please if you're going to low key call them racists, please have some receipts.

Cause no.

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sexton said:

NinaB said:

MadamGoodnightTwo said:

Gamillione said:

Wendy and Lisa irk my soul, they always acted like they were entitled and the Revolution should last 4ever.

[Edited 6/7/16 9:09am]

Most casual fans of Michael Jackson can't name three people from his bands. Once he left his brothers, and went solo, nobody really kept up with his bands. Who were in MJ's bands? I'll wait. Crickets.

Prince never got full credit. Prince would have saved himself from headaches, and all this whining if he never named the band, gave them such high profile. He had the ability to write, sing, play, dance and record. I went to his shows to see Prince, not the bands. Really wasn't important who was behind him for the most part. Most of the many shows I have seen, stood in line to see, brought friends, only two people asked about the band. Shrug. Oh, that's right. I was waiting patiently for him to come with his microphone and piano tour, (with no band).

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But the band and protege bands are the things the seriously helped make the period of 1978-1989 so exciting. 1 man couldn't carry it himself. Prince created a fantasy land, Uptown Erotic City Paisley Park made so much more sense with the visuals of the band members.

It's almost like when people say Prince should just put on some jeans and a tshirt and play his guitar. That would be so boring.

Up till 2016 what made it all so much more interesting was his bandmembers/protege members. If he didn't he wouldn't have been able to tell the stories of Lisa & Vanity and others on the Piano tours.

[Edited 6/16/16 10:52am]

MadamGoodnightTwo said:

Gamillione said:

Wendy and Lisa irk my soul, they always acted like they were entitled and the Revolution should last 4ever.

[Edited 6/7/16 9:09am]

Most casual fans of Michael Jackson can't name three people from his bands. Once he left his brothers, and went solo, nobody really kept up with his bands. Who were in MJ's bands? I'll wait. Crickets.

[Edited 6/8/16 0:37am]

That's not really the same thing. Outside of the Jacksons, his bands were simply musicians who played his music live when he performed. They weren't a group.

SoulAlive said:

TonyVanDam said:

If it's "OK" for Queen to make money touring without Freddie Mercury, it should be "OK" for The Revolution to do the same without Prince.

Another thing is.....when you think of the Purple Rain movie,album and tour....these people were a part of all of that.That's part of their legacy,too (not just Prince's).They deserve the chance to celebrate that,and to ride the nostalgia wave if they choose.

Exactly.

Just an FYI....I was in Minnesota at the UNOFFICIAL memorial that old band members and employees and family of Prince attended. And I was there to witness the Revolution getting together for the first time in years, and it felt right between them.

Wendy and Lisa are in no way hurting for money as every major movie or TV show has used them for the score. All the other musicians have been keeping active doing other things too....

They just feel that to honor the man that brought them together they should go on tour and perform the hits of that time period. They know its not going to be the same as if Prince was fronting them, but they all had a hand in creating that sound and they want to get out there and honor him and give his and there fans something.

When he was alive they wanted to re-form and do this, and he was starting to come around a bit, but then he passed away. I think it is a wonderful thing and I am looking forward to these Revolution shows, and also any other shows his former band members from other eras put together.

keenly said:

LEATHRSAIL said:

Sigh.....

Back in the day, when the Revolution was broken up, I was shocked to hear the Revolution were week to week hired employees. I was shocked that they didn't have a contract with Warner Bros. The contract was only with Prince and not Prince & The Revolution. I remember reading that Wendy's weekly salary was $300.00 a week. That's what I made that in 1987 as a file clerk. But I was not in a major band, or on MTV. Many people, not just Wendy & Lisa have said that they contributed to Prince's music but didn't get the proper pay. The Family was on the radio, yet the band never had a contract. Levi Seacer, Jr, Tony M, Rosie Gaines, and more all said they contributed and didn't get the proper credit, and the result..... proper pay. Yet Prince complained he wasn't paid properly for his music. Prince said he had two Time albums in the vault. Ok..... if musicians should own their masters. Why didn't the Time hold those masters? If he belived what he stated about his own music, then why didn't he have the same respect for what others did? Wendy & Lisa said they were willing to work on the Roadhouse Garden album. But Prince was not going to pay them. People have asked Wendy & Lisa why Prince's music doesn't sound like it did when they were with him. The answer is..... They are not with him anymore. Yes they were a major part of what Prince published in what is known as "the golden age of Prince". When I read this site all anyone talks about is the lost Dream Factory album and the lost Crystal Ball album. Yet I don't hear cries for The Rainbow Children outtakes. Or a day by day examination of everything of the time around TRC. Not like the time around Dream Factory or Crystal Ball.

Now that he is gone you people are going to down them for getting a slight paycheck for work they never got properly paid for in the first place? Really?

For me this is not about money. For me this is about being able to see the Revolution. What I was sold back in the day was Prince & The Revolution..... Not just Prince.... When he died they had all kinds of big names on CNN commenting on his passing. I was wondering where were the members of the Revolution? Turned out they were with each other and other production people they worked with when they were with Prince. For me.... It was not too soon. For me it was what I needed.

I know this is going to spark hatred for what I wrote here. Because it was all Prince and nobody else.

This is the truth.

Prince ripped off a lot of people. He was not a nice man.

lavie said:

antonb said:

Well i was disappointed with the quick gathering of the Revolution and announcement of shows so quickly after his death. It was like. yes, now we can finally make some money. Thats how it came across to me.

Thought the same thing! Oh and that the only one that aged well is Brown Mark

aged well? How is that a qualifiction for good music. You should slap yourself for that ignorant comment.