OldFriends4Sale said:

wonder505 said:

It's called Tact and Timing. They could have waited until people get over the shock at least. What exactly is the rush? Revolution members gathering in a video what was it like three or four days after he was found with Wendy beeming talk about they going on tour? Matt Fink calling the estate at a time when the family is grieving and try to sort out issues with no will to release two albums asap???? I'm sure as human beings they mean well, as people who knew him intimately but it just rubbed me the wrong way cuz, i'm like damn, can yall just wait a little? Thats me and how I would have handled it as former band member. I wish them well I guess.

what is that time where people would get over the shock? Many are still in shock. Some say it takes the amount of time you knew someone to get over them.

It wasn't just Revolution members it was engineers assistants and 80s people like Brad Marsh(Tamborine) and NPG members were all gathered together.

They posted a picture of Prince's Keyboardist gathered together it was Tommy Lisa Fink Hayes and 1 other

My post had nothing to do with gatherings. I never said there was a set time for anything. It was the way it was done. Days after he was found and they way they gathered in a quick video and announced a tour just came off wrong to me. I can only express how it hit me I get that some fans are excited about it. But I was still in shock shaking my head and was in no mood.

I actually like Levi's post. It was done very tactful. Celebrating prince and giving new artists a shot.

wonder505 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

what is that time where people would get over the shock? Many are still in shock. Some say it takes the amount of time you knew someone to get over them.

It wasn't just Revolution members it was engineers assistants and 80s people like Brad Marsh(Tamborine) and NPG members were all gathered together.

They posted a picture of Prince's Keyboardist gathered together it was Tommy Lisa Fink Hayes and 1 other

My post had nothing to do with gatherings. I never said there was a set time for anything. It was the way it was done. Days after he was found and they way they gathered in a quick video and announced a tour just came off wrong to me. I can only express how it hit me I get that some fans are excited about it. But I was still in shock shaking my head and was in no mood.

I actually like Levi's post. It was done very tactful. Celebrating prince and giving new artists a shot.

I don't think they announced a tour right after he died, they said they would be doing some shows. Sheila E said she was going to get the bands together to do some stuff, the Time did too.

SHEILA E.

On top of the plans for a Paisley Park museum, fans might also get a chance to honor Prince at a tribute performance, which is currently in the works.

"I'm supposed to be the one musical director to put his tribute together with all of the original people and we hope that that happens," Sheila E. said. "We're working on it, we'll see what happens… the plan is to have something here in Minneapolis."

OldFriends4Sale said:

wonder505 said:

My post had nothing to do with gatherings. I never said there was a set time for anything. It was the way it was done. Days after he was found and they way they gathered in a quick video and announced a tour just came off wrong to me. I can only express how it hit me I get that some fans are excited about it. But I was still in shock shaking my head and was in no mood.

I actually like Levi's post. It was done very tactful. Celebrating prince and giving new artists a shot.

I don't think they announced a tour right after he died, they said they would be doing some shows. Sheila E said she was going to get the bands together to do some stuff, the Time did too.

SHEILA E.

On top of the plans for a Paisley Park museum, fans might also get a chance to honor Prince at a tribute performance, which is currently in the works.

"I'm supposed to be the one musical director to put his tribute together with all of the original people and we hope that that happens," Sheila E. said. "We're working on it, we'll see what happens… the plan is to have something here in Minneapolis."

You can spin it however you want, tour/shows, whatever. We'll agree to disagree. Sheila to me expressed more about her feelings about the loss of her friends than doing shows, including concerns about his unreleased work, Morris Day was doing shows while P was alive. I dont have a problem with any of them doing shows/tours, my thought was on the timing and the way it was done. Like I said. I didnt get excited about it, maybe it was me.

wonder505 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I don't think they announced a tour right after he died, they said they would be doing some shows. Sheila E said she was going to get the bands together to do some stuff, the Time did too.

SHEILA E.

On top of the plans for a Paisley Park museum, fans might also get a chance to honor Prince at a tribute performance, which is currently in the works.

"I'm supposed to be the one musical director to put his tribute together with all of the original people and we hope that that happens," Sheila E. said. "We're working on it, we'll see what happens… the plan is to have something here in Minneapolis."

You can spin it however you want, tour/shows, whatever. We'll agree to disagree. Sheila to me expressed more about her feelings about the loss of her friends than doing shows, including concerns about his unreleased work, Morris Day was doing shows while P was alive. I dont have a problem with any of them doing shows/tours, my thought was on the timing and the way it was done. Like I said. I didnt get excited about it, maybe it was me.

Spin it? that is what they said, there is a clip posted in the PMM section. they did not say tour. Nothing to disagree about, just quoted what was said in the clip.

With Sheila it was because media cornered her to get her thoughts.
Morris Day talked about specifically doing shows in honor of Prince, which would be much different from the regular shows prior to Prince's death.

I think it's interesting that we are shocked at Prince's death not having made 58 and Vanity having passed away a few months prior, that we don't equate who 'tomorrow is not promised to anyone' no matter the age. And why would we not want to see them do shows together and have music they cowrote / cocreated with him released. So they could benefit before one of them passes away.

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Prince was always (mostly in the 2000s) known for talking about not looking back(even though he did) but whatever happened during the Piano shows caused Prince to do what we never thought. He looked back and enjoyed it, and as a result wanted to do his own Memoir. Because time is not promised to anyone.

OldFriends4Sale said:

I think it's interesting that we are shocked at Prince's death not having made 58 and Vanity having passed away a few months prior, that we don't equate who 'tomorrow is not promised to anyone' no matter the age. And why would we not want to see them do shows together and have music they cowrote / cocreated with him released. So they could benefit before one of them passes away.

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Prince was always (mostly in the 2000s) known for talking about not looking back(even though he did) but whatever happened during the Piano shows caused Prince to do what we never thought. He looked back and enjoyed it, and as a result wanted to do his own Memoir. Because time is not promised to anyone.

I think its sad how you easily miss a simple point. WHERE did I say that they should not do shows ever. Please copy and paste where I said that. and what evidence do you have that Sheila E "was cornered" Did she say she was "cornered." ? Show me where she said that.

I specifically started my post with Timing and Tact and it was more towards the way the video came off TO ME six days after he was found dead without them really saying much else at that time. and Matt Fink asking the estate now, to release two albums as soon as possible. I would not have done that and I'm not the only fan who feels this way. But I realize who I'm talking to so my point is lost in space. I wish them well. as I have stated.

wonder505 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I don't think they announced a tour right after he died, they said they would be doing some shows. Sheila E said she was going to get the bands together to do some stuff, the Time did too.

SHEILA E.

On top of the plans for a Paisley Park museum, fans might also get a chance to honor Prince at a tribute performance, which is currently in the works.

"I'm supposed to be the one musical director to put his tribute together with all of the original people and we hope that that happens," Sheila E. said. "We're working on it, we'll see what happens… the plan is to have something here in Minneapolis."

You can spin it however you want, tour/shows, whatever. We'll agree to disagree. Sheila to me expressed more about her feelings about the loss of her friends than doing shows, including concerns about his unreleased work, Morris Day was doing shows while P was alive. I dont have a problem with any of them doing shows/tours, my thought was on the timing and the way it was done. Like I said. I didnt get excited about it, maybe it was me.

I agree with you.

I thought it was odd when it was said that the family was approached about the two revolution albums in the vault. I mean, here they are dealing with an autopsy, a sheriff's investigation, a DEA investigation and a probate case with nearly 700 claimants, so I hardly think they were equipped at that point to address individual concerns of dismissed band members. That was rather tacky.

As far as reunion shows, I'm not even remotely interested but I would have thought that at least they would have waited until the investigation concludes and the family has their event.

To me that's just respect and good manners.

wonder505 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I think it's interesting that we are shocked at Prince's death not having made 58 and Vanity having passed away a few months prior, that we don't equate who 'tomorrow is not promised to anyone' no matter the age. And why would we not want to see them do shows together and have music they cowrote / cocreated with him released. So they could benefit before one of them passes away.

.

Prince was always (mostly in the 2000s) known for talking about not looking back(even though he did) but whatever happened during the Piano shows caused Prince to do what we never thought. He looked back and enjoyed it, and as a result wanted to do his own Memoir. Because time is not promised to anyone.

I think its sad how you easily miss a simple point. WHERE did I say that they should not do shows ever. Please copy and paste where I said that. and what evidence do you have that Sheila E "was cornered" Did she say she was "cornered." ? Show me where she said that.

I specifically started my post with Timing and Tact and it was more towards the way the video came off TO ME six days after he was found dead without them really saying much else at that time. and Matt Fink asking the estate now, to release two albums as soon as possible. I would not have done that and I'm not the only fan who feels this way. But I realize who I'm talking to so my point is lost in space. I wish them well. as I have stated.

This is my thought in general. I would have replied to your post if it was directed at you.
On FB and other threads this is being talked about.

I'm not going to address or read your reply because mine was not directed at you.

babynoz said:

wonder505 said:

You can spin it however you want, tour/shows, whatever. We'll agree to disagree. Sheila to me expressed more about her feelings about the loss of her friends than doing shows, including concerns about his unreleased work, Morris Day was doing shows while P was alive. I dont have a problem with any of them doing shows/tours, my thought was on the timing and the way it was done. Like I said. I didnt get excited about it, maybe it was me.

I agree with you.

I thought it was odd when it was said that the family was approached about the two revolution albums in the vault. I mean, here they are dealing with an autopsy, a sheriff's investigation, a DEA investigation and a probate case with nearly 700 claimants, so I hardly think they were equipped at that point to address individual concerns of dismissed band members. That was rather tacky.

As far as reunion shows, I'm not even remotely interested but I would have thought that at least they would have waited until the investigation concludes and the family has their event.

To me that's just respect and good manners.

THANK YOU!!!! Good grief! Somebody understands.

wonder505 said:

babynoz said:

I agree with you.

I thought it was odd when it was said that the family was approached about the two revolution albums in the vault. I mean, here they are dealing with an autopsy, a sheriff's investigation, a DEA investigation and a probate case with nearly 700 claimants, so I hardly think they were equipped at that point to address individual concerns of dismissed band members. That was rather tacky.

As far as reunion shows, I'm not even remotely interested but I would have thought that at least they would have waited until the investigation concludes and the family has their event.

To me that's just respect and good manners.

THANK YOU!!!! Good grief! Somebody understands.

I wish that we could make people understand how extremely difficult it is to not only lose a loved one, but to be the one who has to handle all of their arrangements and business affairs afterward. I have had to do it three times and if it wasn't for a handful of friends and coworkers I don't know what I would have done because my trifiln azz family was no help at all. Multiply that x1000 for being the next of kin of an international superstar.

People are going to have to be more sensitive, patient and mature about this. Trust me, bereaved families always remember who was with them and who wasn't in their time of need.

GuyBros said:

Having experienced The Revolution play at First Ave, I can say that I am definitely looking forward to seeing them again soon. Yes, without Prince was still a fantastic time.

I'm not so cynical that I see that their process as a "cash in," but rather a celebration and a way to actually give people an opportunity to see this group and celebrate the artist who was effectively as they have put their "maestro."

It also would not surprise me if at least a percentage of the tour proceeds would go towards some sort of non-profit or benefit (perhaps going to the American Heart Association), especially considering that's what their most recent concert promoted.

I agree.

wonder505 said:

as people who knew him intimately but it just rubbed me the wrong way cuz, i'm like damn, can yall just wait a little? Thats me and how I would have handled it as former band member. I wish them well I guess.

I don't know that I'm qualified to police how people should process death and whether that must abide some strict code or timeline ("I'm sorry Wendy, but appropriate grieving means wearing black, social media blackout, etc. No smiles! Not an appropriate way to process death. Sorry. Also you must wait no less than 6 months before you show a smile in public. And an announcement concerning tribute shows? Don't even think about it").

At the same time, you are absolutely entitled to feeling some sort of way about the situation. That's okay.

And as humans as well as band members, they too can engage in their own processing of the death of a friend with whom they were more intimate that we could ever be.

That being said, if they choose to embrace the whole "Prince wouldn't want us grieving, he'd want us partying" idea that many people have been talking about off as part of their mechanism for grieving, and in the process and as a means of helping ) many others in their processing of the situation they tour in a showcase which many of us were never able to see firsthand, I don't really read that as a cash grab.

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GuyBros said:

wonder505 said:

as people who knew him intimately but it just rubbed me the wrong way cuz, i'm like damn, can yall just wait a little? Thats me and how I would have handled it as former band member. I wish them well I guess.

I don't know that I'm qualified to police how people should process death and whether that must abide some strict code or timeline ("I'm sorry Wendy, but appropriate grieving means wearing black, social media blackout, etc. No smiles! Not an appropriate way to process death. Sorry. Also you must wait no less than 6 months before you show a smile in public. And an announcement concerning tribute shows? Don't even think about it").

At the same time, you are absolutely entitled to feeling some sort of way about the situation. That's okay.

And as humans as well as band members, they too can engage in their own processing of the death of a friend with whom they were more intimate that we could ever be.

That being said, if they choose to embrace the whole "Prince wouldn't want us grieving, he'd want us partying" idea that many people have been talking about off as part of their mechanism for grieving, and in the process and as a means of helping ) many others in their processing of the situation they tour in a showcase which many of us were never able to see firsthand, I don't really read that as a cash grab.

[Edited 5/27/16 12:30pm]

Thanks for being respectful in your response.

GuyBros said:

wonder505 said:

as people who knew him intimately but it just rubbed me the wrong way cuz, i'm like damn, can yall just wait a little? Thats me and how I would have handled it as former band member. I wish them well I guess.

I don't know that I'm qualified to police how people should process death and whether that must abide some strict code or timeline ("I'm sorry Wendy, but appropriate grieving means wearing black, social media blackout, etc. No smiles! Not an appropriate way to process death. Sorry. Also you must wait no less than 6 months before you show a smile in public. And an announcement concerning tribute shows? Don't even think about it").

At the same time, you are absolutely entitled to feeling some sort of way about the situation. That's okay.

And as humans as well as band members, they too can engage in their own processing of the death of a friend with whom they were more intimate that we could ever be.

That being said, if they choose to embrace the whole "Prince wouldn't want us grieving, he'd want us partying" idea that many people have been talking about off as part of their mechanism for grieving, and in the process and as a means of helping ) many others in their processing of the situation they tour in a showcase which many of us were never able to see firsthand, I don't really read that as a cash grab.

[Edited 5/27/16 12:30pm]

something about an hightened distress of time hit me when Prince died. When Bobby z had his heart attack that was a 1st when it came to my favorite group of people in Prince mUsic history. Then Vanity passed, then Prince. And the fact that no one is assured of tomorrow is all the more real.

Celebrate the music.

SoulAlive said:

TonyVanDam said:

If it's "OK" for Queen to make money touring without Freddie Mercury, it should be "OK" for The Revolution to do the same without Prince.

Another thing is.....when you think of the Purple Rain movie,album and tour....these people were a part of all of that.That's part of their legacy,too (not just Prince's).They deserve the chance to celebrate that,and to ride the nostalgia wave if they choose.

Nostaigia money is still good money. Just ask Culture Club, Billy Idol, & The Human League!

OldFriends4Sale said:

Levi Seacer

So you are hearing it first from me, June 18th , which is Juneteenth, in San Francisco, Join Me from the NPG, Mark Brown , from the Revolution as we Celebrate the Music of Prince. Let's pack it out , let's Funk it out. Special guests to be announced in coming weeks. Last but not least, if you are an artist looking for a shot, no promises send me a short video clip or link to one of your best performances. Many exciting things are about to happen. Are you willing to do the work?, as Prince said. Send clips or links to leviseacerjr@icloud.com hug someone today and tell them you love them and send one up for Prince see you June 18th .

I see Levi wasting no time at all to make some nostaigia money!

TonyVanDam said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Levi Seacer

So you are hearing it first from me, June 18th , which is Juneteenth, in San Francisco, Join Me from the NPG, Mark Brown , from the Revolution as we Celebrate the Music of Prince. Let's pack it out , let's Funk it out. Special guests to be announced in coming weeks. Last but not least, if you are an artist looking for a shot, no promises send me a short video clip or link to one of your best performances. Many exciting things are about to happen. Are you willing to do the work?, as Prince said. Send clips or links to leviseacerjr@icloud.com hug someone today and tell them you love them and send one up for Prince see you June 18th .

I see Levi wasting no time at all to make some nostaigia money!

lol I guess he got over that brused treatment by P in good time.
He did guest on a few Sheila E shows on bass, around the time Eddie M and Sheila hooked back 2gether

He was a part of that wonderful era though 1985-1989

OldFriends4Sale said:

I think it's interesting that we are shocked at Prince's death not having made 58 and Vanity having passed away a few months prior, that we don't equate who 'tomorrow is not promised to anyone' no matter the age. And why would we not want to see them do shows together and have music they cowrote / cocreated with him released. So they could benefit before one of them passes away.

.

Prince was always (mostly in the 2000s) known for talking about not looking back(even though he did) but whatever happened during the Piano shows caused Prince to do what we never thought. He looked back and enjoyed it, and as a result wanted to do his own Memoir. Because time is not promised to anyone.

You bring up a good point.This is why I was so adamant about Prince doing a Revolution reunion.Time is not promised to anyone.These things must be done while everyone is still alive to be a part of it.I felt the same way about remasters.We're all getting old.Give us the remasters while we're still able to enjoy 'em (lol).I just think that Prince spent so much time trying to erase the past and distance himself from too many of the people in his past.That was unfortunate.

@ homesquid

do not pretend as if you have an absolut insider knowledge.

you develop more & more to be a cheap copy of Bart...

SoulAlive said:

SoulAlive said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I think it's interesting that we are shocked at Prince's death not having made 58 and Vanity having passed away a few months prior, that we don't equate who 'tomorrow is not promised to anyone' no matter the age. And why would we not want to see them do shows together and have music they cowrote / cocreated with him released. So they could benefit before one of them passes away.

.

Prince was always (mostly in the 2000s) known for talking about not looking back(even though he did) but whatever happened during the Piano shows caused Prince to do what we never thought. He looked back and enjoyed it, and as a result wanted to do his own Memoir. Because time is not promised to anyone.

You bring up a good point.This is why I was so adamant about Prince doing a Revolution reunion.Time is not promised to anyone.These things must be done while everyone is still alive to be a part of it.I felt the same way about remasters.We're all getting old.Give us the remasters while we're still able to enjoy 'em (lol).I just think that Prince spent so much time trying to erase the past and distance himself from too many of the people in his past.That was unfortunate.

Right, I think of the Time(O7) when they wanted to open 4 Prince on the Welcome 2 Australia tour. And that would have been prime time excitement 2 another level. And there was some playfull jibing with the Family & Prince and I was just thinking about time and how we will regret when we get the news someone is gone.

With all the time that past, You can tell Vanity's passing really affected him. And when he got the news Bobby Z had a heart attack. When that happened Prince starting putting up a lot of Parade era images.

In This Bed I Scream 2 the attempt @ reuniting to do the Roadhouse Garden album, having the Revolution @ Paisley Park during the Celebrations but W & L weren't there. I don't know if it was after Prince said he wouldn't pay them or before. down to them performing with him throught the Musicology 3121 period and having those 2 do some work on the Planet Earth album. It was clear there was a struggle. The ups and downs with Sheila E & the Time...

Well that is over now. So for the people who helped give me joy with Prince to do some shows start performing together release some music whether it be the Time(not the Original 7), Sheila E the Revolution the Family(not FDeluxe) Cat NPG. I say '...and the Music continues 4ever...' Rock on beautiful ones...

wonder505 said:

SoulAlive said:

You bring up a good point.This is why I was so adamant about Prince doing a Revolution reunion.Time is not promised to anyone.These things must be done while everyone is still alive to be a part of it.I felt the same way about remasters.We're all getting old.Give us the remasters while we're still able to enjoy 'em (lol).I just think that Prince spent so much time trying to erase the past and distance himself from too many of the people in his past.That was unfortunate.

I distance myself from people in my past. Does everybody here kick it with everyone from their past? Don't think so. I think he didn't want a reunion cuz he simply wasn't interested.

I doubt he would have done it even if he'd lived to be a hundred so that's something folks will just have to get over. But people tried to force their will on him while he lived so I guess they see no reason to stop now.

All the whining, pissing and moaning, weeping and knashing of teeth, garment rending and cries of "are we there yet" will not change the fact that the decent thing to do would be to wait only a little while longer, at least until Prince's family has a chance to have their own event as they attempt to deal with the monumental task of settling his estate and ongoing investigations.

It's simply common decency to put others before yourself under these circumstances.

I'd much rather that it's ex-Prince bandmates doing tributes than Madonna...

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

The Revolution planning a tour, Morris Day & Half Time [!] starting a tour & no doubt books, articles etc dishing the dirt on the way from many others. Likewise reading Finks comments on how they have already approached the estate to release the 2 revolution albums asap...come on wtf!

Guys I have serious issues with this. Bart has just pointed out what a total mess this whole situation is & it will take years to resolve etc. So do you think associates should strike whilst the irons hot & get what they feel they are owed? OR as I do just bloody wait at least a year.

The grief process will only get worse for many of us with the pending autopsy report [bloody dreading that & my tears will flow again]. So to see blatant opportunism, impatience makes me sick. I already have ALL the music i need, seen him c35 times live & have memories galore.

Am I being an oversensitive jerk or do you sort of agree with me?

GOOD FOR THEM.

P ripped them off, they deserve it.

TonyVanDam said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Levi Seacer

So you are hearing it first from me, June 18th , which is Juneteenth, in San Francisco, Join Me from the NPG, Mark Brown , from the Revolution as we Celebrate the Music of Prince. Let's pack it out , let's Funk it out. Special guests to be announced in coming weeks. Last but not least, if you are an artist looking for a shot, no promises send me a short video clip or link to one of your best performances. Many exciting things are about to happen. Are you willing to do the work?, as Prince said. Send clips or links to leviseacerjr@icloud.com hug someone today and tell them you love them and send one up for Prince see you June 18th .

I see Levi wasting no time at all to make some nostaigia money!

And he deservves it.

SoulAlive said:

TonyVanDam said:

If it's "OK" for Queen to make money touring without Freddie Mercury, it should be "OK" for The Revolution to do the same without Prince.

Another thing is.....when you think of the Purple Rain movie,album and tour....these people were a part of all of that.That's part of their legacy,too (not just Prince's).They deserve the chance to celebrate that,and to ride the nostalgia wave if they choose.

PREACH!!

keenly said:

wonder505 said:

keenly said:

PREACH!!

And what was stopping them from doing that when he was alive?

Prince!

When Prince was here I was against the reunion stuff...but it's different now. People need to heal and the Revolution/NPG/Time touring arround can do that...

Let Chaka - Stevie - Mavis - Alicia Keys - Janelle - LIanne - Beyonce - Adele - etc etc etc meetup with them in different cities

Plus - younger people will be interested now, they need to see why it was such a big deal, and as someone said in this thread...time is promised to no one. Let them make thier money and get the love they deserve and celebrate to person who changed history with them.

I'm in my 50's seeing my contemporaries drop like flies has me FREAKED OUT. I want to grab as much LIFE as I can, Im not WAITING FOR ANYTHING ANYMORE. NOW NOW NOW NOW.

WE NEED TO GRAB THE NOW, NOW. So yes, team Revolution all the way.