at the beginning of the WDC the door is opened and its Vanity coming in with the wind, because she brings the doves, you can see one in the video.
"A pair of doves is believed to be a symbol of love and fidelity. Doves are often released by couples on their wedding day as a symbol of purity and to signify the beginning of their new life together."
The stair, washing, mirrors, keep recurring in the video. Another thing he seems to do all the time is put on a hat. In WDC he puts on a hat when he gets on the stair. In empty room it opens with him putting on a hat and he wears it in the tub and when he goes down the stair. I wonder if she gave him the hat he is wearing in that photo we posted of them together?
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I don't think he's in a room he's on the stage where its open. She's flying out of the room with the tub. And the wall is painted blue to symbolize the sky. | |
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Wow.. I just watched "Empty Room" and the one I noticed is that Mayte picks up a white feather from the steps of what looks like a courthouse and then later she is covered in the white feathers. White feathers = doves? Maybe her picking up the feather represents her trying to pick up the pieces of Prince's heart and then her wearing = replacing? . Man, whoever said that Prince looked miserable in this video, was right. [Edited 5/28/16 21:52pm] | |
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I had thought the white feathers were showing her as an angel but I can see where it might also be the dove symbol esp when she picks up the feather. . Didn't Prince keep a pair of doves by his apartment in PP as pets guarding the entry to his area? by the stairs? I read that somewhere | |
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Just noticed the hat is lying on the floor with the flowers when the doves come into his bathing room at the beginning of WDC. It has a white scarf tied around it. It is hanging on the mirror when he is talking to the mirror. And then he puts it on as he sees the dove fly away at the end. | |
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Doesn't Mayte's character in Empty Room seem like a child? as in 12 yo? All her expressions are childlike and full of wonder. Compare with Vanity doing Nasty Girl. They couldn't be more different. | |
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beachy said: Just noticed the hat is lying on the floor with the flowers when the doves come into his bathing room at the beginning of WDC. It has a white scarf tied around it. It is hanging on the mirror when he is talking to the mirror. And then he puts it on as he sees the dove fly away at the end. [Edited 5/28/16 22:25pm] | |
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beachy said: Doesn't Mayte's character in Empty Room seem like a child? as in 12 yo? All her expressions are childlike and full of wonder. Compare with Vanity doing Nasty Girl. They couldn't be more different. Yea, that silly hat and outfit make her very young (she was). | |
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I found this article, its an interesting read.
http://www.thelastdragontribute.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/1985-Newspaper-article-about-Vanity-in-The-Last-Dragon.png Keep Calm & Listen To Prince | |
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cng89 said:
But Prince didn't exactly let Denise go, she left him. I don't think he was putting on an act with the sadness when she passed. Prince has never been fake about anything. And if I'm not mistaken, he tried to get her back over the years after their break-up. I think it's important that people know that SHE left him, not the other way around. I know. But there are ways of letting go before people actually leave. Like ignoring their wishes, silent treatment, denying them something. Screwing around. The list is endless. Thats what i meant. Will be listening to the Purple One till the day I die. Will dance till I no longer can.. | |
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beachy said: H was trying to find a way to avoid the failure of his parents' relationship. He hadn't seen a good one. He was looking at his father's and his manager's behavior and they were womanizers. He adopted the cake and eat it too idea to see if it would work, but his cake got up and walked out the door. Now thats funny!!!!! Will be listening to the Purple One till the day I die. Will dance till I no longer can.. | |
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Hi PurpleGirl Listening to Bria Valente's album (Elixer) is kind of weird because the songs don't sound authentic to her. They seem too personally aligned to Prince and his story. These are the lyrics for Home that you mentioned with the Egypt overtones.
I came down to find you here celibate and all alone
Travelin' in a caravan of Isis tears I've come to claim you for my own Of course you're scared the first time I appear because many seek your throne
There's no need to worry, no need to fear You should just feel at home Home, home, home, at home Home, home, home, at home, home And I keep it down, you were up in arms a house full of thieves and liars A restless heart so easily charmed could end up in a bed of fire Of course you're scared first time I say let me help you tap on that dome There's no need to run from your one and only desire I've come to bring peace to your home Home, home, home, your home Home, home, home, your home I came down to hear you say at last you're finally satisfied
There was never any other who could ever be your lover And never truly get inside you Touch the core of what we all live for everlastin' paradise But you see that in your life there are many houses But now you've finally got a home Home, home, home, a home Home, home, home, a home I only wanna cleanse your feet with Isis tears and make you feel at home I only wanna cleanse your feet with Isis tears and make you feel at home Home, home, home, home, home, home Home, home, home, welcome home Home, home .
When I did a search on 'Isis Tears' I found the Osiris Myth - you may want to look at the wiki link it's quite detailed but a pleasant afterlife ties heavily to it.
"The Osiris myth is the most elaborate and influential story in ancient Egyptian mythology. It concerns the murder of the god Osiris, a primeval king of Egypt, and its consequences. Osiris's murderer, his brother Set, usurps his throne. Meanwhile, Osiris's wife Isis restores her husband's body, allowing him to posthumously conceive a son with her. The remainder of the story focuses on Horus, the product of the union of Isis and Osiris, who is at first a vulnerable child protected by his mother and then becomes Set's rival for the throne. Their often violent conflict ends with Horus's triumph, which restores order to Egypt after Set's unrighteous reign and completes the process of Osiris's resurrection. The myth, with its complex symbolism, is integral to the Egyptian conceptions of kingship and succession, conflict between order and disorder, and especially death and the afterlife."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osiris_myth
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Reading part of the huge blurb - it would appear Isis Tears are to do with water, namely:
"In the New Kingdom, when Osiris's death and renewal came to be associated with the annual flooding of the Nile that fertilized Egypt, the waters of the Nile were equated with Isis's tears of mourning,[40] or with Osiris's bodily fluids.[41] Osiris thus represented the life-giving divine power that was present in the river's water and in the plants that grew after the flood."
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So if you wanted to interpret this about Denise you could do it in a sexual way or maybe that he wants to try and heal/regenerate/rejuvenate her (as she's not well). Quite a nice sentiment really.
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Beachy - this may tie to that symbol on the staff in Empty Room when he dies/morphs
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Purplegirl
I knew something was off with Bria's lyrics! The first song Here Eye Come is talking about the character playing with themselves in the shower and comparing themselves to Kim Basinger in 9 1/2 weeks http://www.songlyrics.com/bria-valente/here-eye-come-lyrics/ | |
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I'd agree. V's friend that was talking on youtube about the whitesnake he gave her at the 1985 AMA awards, he said that when he went to her house she was listening to unreleased Sheila E music. It sounded like she'd only been given it recently. This would have been post 1985 AMA as she had the snake there. [Edited 5/29/16 2:46am] [Edited 5/29/16 2:47am] | |
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Prince was so prolific and to make it easier performing it's kind of perfect if you can provide not only the band but the supporting acts too! That's what he did with The Time and Vanity6. Problem is that it's Frankenstein's syndrome - once they become successful it becomes more difficult to contain your creations and they see the doors to something else. It was inevitable that she would walk as did many members of the Time - it was really just a matter of when. But that's not a reflection on him, it's just what happens with creative growth. And if anything, it shows that he could really create/tailor acts that could address the gaps in the market, that people could relate to, that made money and hence, that other people were interested in poaching - and of course, none of that's surprising when they're performing his music. . The personal aspects of Prince and Vanity's relationship are seperate to the business one. I can only imagine, having your protege leave for more lucative offers elsewhere would put enormous strain on any love relationship, irrespective of any other problems you may have. Particularly, when your own creative endeavours are now being compromised (PR nearly tanked over her pulling out and they obviously had a difficult time with financing) and you now need to backfill her role to be able to continue with PR film and the Vanity6 (Appollonia6) album. You can see why he would be hurt by this. In fact, it shows just how much he did love her that he actually still wanted to have anything to do with her after that. . Neither of them are perfect. They're young, they're dealing with really complicated situations and choices and of course, they're going to make mistakes and not handle things in the ideal way.
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I have a feeling there could be 4 characters too. Both P & M in red and then in white. Maybe red=alive, white=dead??? | |
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I thought the Spin article said her leaving nearly tanked the film? They wanted 2 bankable stars Prince & Vanity. If it was truly about money, surely they would have paid her more to keep her on. But they probably couldn't compete with what she'd get paid by Scorcese. And then Motown. | |
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It is all very spiritual; ultimately the connection between them was thrown at us when he was so emotional at his concerts when dedicating songs to her memory. He was open about his mourning, his loss when she passed. Heartwrenching and tragic to hear him singing out Denise. He is not saying Vanity but Denise. Then Prince had nerve to die and so close behind her as if following her, as if the universe was dictating this - their connection was now exposed. Maybe this is not a love story at all. I am reading from so many about all of his loves throughout the years;but whatever Prince and Denise were was lifelong, strong, clearly inspirational and a lifeforce that clearly fueled him-something that inspired and was part of him. He could not remain in this earth without her in it -he had to go where she was; as someone said in this thread her being willed him to her and he left us. Very spiritual, supernatural, it deals in a totally different dimension than earth and mortals.
It gives me chills everytime when thinking of it and saying it. [Edited 5/29/16 4:10am] | |
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If your interested getting behind the public facade and reading about the business side of Princes affairs through the 80's, this article discusses his management's perspective of what happened around not releasing Adore as a single with Sign O' The Times, not extending the Sign O' Times Tour and The Black Album etc. http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/prince-insider-alan-leeds-on-purple-rain-hysteria-warner-bros-clash-20160426?page=11 . This ties to the previous post in this thread Reply #1107 pg37 that discusses the song Adore and Prince, Vanity and Nikki Sixx in 1986/87.
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beachy said:
I had thought the white feathers were showing her as an angel but I can see where it might also be the dove symbol esp when she picks up the feather. . Didn't Prince keep a pair of doves by his apartment in PP as pets guarding the entry to his area? by the stairs? I read that somewhere You could be right, the feathers on Mayte could symbolizing her as an angel/ virginity. . The other thing I thought about is that in Christianity, a dove represents the Holy Spirit. I don't know If that somehow is connected to all of this. | |
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Hi PurpleGirl Listening to Bria Valente's album (Elixer) is kind of weird because the songs don't sound authentic to her. They seem too personally aligned to Prince and his story. These are the lyrics for Home that you mentioned with the Egypt overtones.
I came down to find you here celibate and all alone
Travelin' in a caravan of Isis tears I've come to claim you for my own Of course you're scared the first time I appear because many seek your throne
There's no need to worry, no need to fear You should just feel at home Home, home, home, at home Home, home, home, at home, home And I keep it down, you were up in arms a house full of thieves and liars A restless heart so easily charmed could end up in a bed of fire Of course you're scared first time I say let me help you tap on that dome There's no need to run from your one and only desire I've come to bring peace to your home Home, home, home, your home Home, home, home, your home I came down to hear you say at last you're finally satisfied
There was never any other who could ever be your lover And never truly get inside you Touch the core of what we all live for everlastin' paradise But you see that in your life there are many houses But now you've finally got a home Home, home, home, a home Home, home, home, a home I only wanna cleanse your feet with Isis tears and make you feel at home I only wanna cleanse your feet with Isis tears and make you feel at home Home, home, home, home, home, home Home, home, home, welcome home Home, home .
When I did a search on 'Isis Tears' I found the Osiris Myth - you may want to look at the wiki link it's quite detailed but a pleasant afterlife ties heavily to it.
"The Osiris myth is the most elaborate and influential story in ancient Egyptian mythology. It concerns the murder of the god Osiris, a primeval king of Egypt, and its consequences. Osiris's murderer, his brother Set, usurps his throne. Meanwhile, Osiris's wife Isis restores her husband's body, allowing him to posthumously conceive a son with her. The remainder of the story focuses on Horus, the product of the union of Isis and Osiris, who is at first a vulnerable child protected by his mother and then becomes Set's rival for the throne. Their often violent conflict ends with Horus's triumph, which restores order to Egypt after Set's unrighteous reign and completes the process of Osiris's resurrection. The myth, with its complex symbolism, is integral to the Egyptian conceptions of kingship and succession, conflict between order and disorder, and especially death and the afterlife."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osiris_myth
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Reading part of the huge blurb - it would appear Isis Tears are to do with water, namely:
"In the New Kingdom, when Osiris's death and renewal came to be associated with the annual flooding of the Nile that fertilized Egypt, the waters of the Nile were equated with Isis's tears of mourning,[40] or with Osiris's bodily fluids.[41] Osiris thus represented the life-giving divine power that was present in the river's water and in the plants that grew after the flood."
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So if you wanted to interpret this about Denise you could do it in a sexual way or maybe that he wants to try and heal/regenerate/rejuvenate her (as she's not well). Quite a nice sentiment really.
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Beachy - this may tie to that symbol on the staff in Empty Room when he dies/morphs
[Edited 5/29/16 1:17am] [Edited 5/29/16 1:22am] I was reading this too, last night trying to make sense of it. So much symbolism and metaphors in everything Prince did but I think you're on to something though. I could totally see the sexual part of this and the healing. Marvin Gay anyone? Just kidding. Isis cried so much that the Nile flooded= pain. She's been floating around from house to house (lovers) but in Home, he IS the home and that's where she should be. In Revelation, he has it figured out and he is trying to show her. He is waiting for to figure it out. Maybe the haters "one by one" are the jealous people and obstacles in the past. The different "hells" he says at the end are all that they've been through separately in search of what was always there in the "deep ocean". I don't know about the pharaoh's hand, but in WDC, Empty Room, and in one of the Atlanta concerts, he stretches out his hand. Maybe that ties in somehow. [Edited 5/29/16 6:16am] | |
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There's a scene in Empty Room where Mayte walks up stairs that are strewn with white feathers. The white feathers make sense as what the dove left in WDC. Maybe there's some ambiguity about whether Mayte in white is a dove or an angel taking the place of the dove (Vanity)? . I googled doves and Prince and there are many articles that say he keeps doves at Paisley Park long long after he built the studio in 1987. [Edited 5/29/16 6:33am] [Edited 5/29/16 6:35am] | |
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beachy said:
There's a scene in Empty Room where Mayte walks up stairs that are strewn with white feathers. The white feathers make sense as what the dove left in WDC. Maybe there's some ambiguity about whether Mayte in white is a dove or an angel taking the place of the dove (Vanity)? . I googled doves and Prince and there are many articles that say he keeps doves at Paisley Park long long after he built the studio in 1987. [Edited 5/29/16 6:33am] [Edited 5/29/16 6:35am] That's what I initially thought- that Mayte picking up the feather and then being covered in them later meant picking up the pieces left and now she was filling in. | |
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Thanks for sharing. She sounds so assertive and clear. Loved her comment "I'm probably the only one around me besides people around me like Prince and others, that knew I would go on" | |
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Thanks for sharing. She sounds so assertive and clear. Loved her comment "I'm probably the only one around me besides people around me like Prince and others, that knew I would go on" On my out the door, but I'm really interested in seeing this article. I'll also look for Bria's version of Home on Elixir. I caught something funny, but Prince is talking about a "celibate" person in Home. I just caught that. Only he can get away with saying that in a song. | |
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In an Ebony Magazine article that took place in 12/15 he stated someone speculated who "The Beautiful Ones" was about and they were completely wrong. He said if people look at it, it's very obvious. "Do you want him or do you want me?" He stated that was written specifically for the scene where Morris is sitting with Apollonia and there'd be this back and forth. And also, "The beautiful ones you always seem to lose"; Vanity had just quit the movie. He states, "To then speculate, "Well, he wrote that song about me?" Afterward you go, "Who are you? Why do you think you're part of the script that way? And why would you go around saying stuff like that?"
He stated, "Nine times out of 10, trust me, what's out there now, I wouldn't give nary one of these folks the time of day. That's why I don't say anything back, because there's so much that's wrong."
With him saying all this I still believe he had moved on and Vanity was no longer part of the script romantically. I'm sure a lot would have been revealed in his memoir. | |
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I think you've probably cracked it!!! Water = sex/fertility/healing/life-affirming/rejuvenation (so yeah Marvin Gaye is spot on!) And if he's in a bath with his trousers that means he's just flirting . With Revelation, maybe I'm just being a romantic but there's something about "It seems like you've always been here, now that you are, stay with me forever my dear" is saying that they are finally at the same point and he doesn't want her to run off again. It was recorded in the summer 2014. Maybe they finally reconciled on some level??? . As for the Pharaoh's hand - colour systems were important in Egypt but I couldn't see anything directly for that. It may just be a pretty way to say something like 'until we meet God'. | |
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Agreed Bondno9, thanks for posting the excerpt from Ebony. Welcome to "the org", Mumio…they can have you, but I'll have your love in the end | |
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He dedicated The Beautiful One's to Denise in Melbourne and included her name in the song and also said "She knows about this". He also dedicated Adore to her and stopped in the middle of it to declare her "The Finest Woman in the World". If you don't know Adore it was written in the mid-80's, it's about meeting 'your One' and the lyrics are: Until the end of time . That's why this thread exists. [Edited 5/29/16 7:46am] | |
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yeah I thought so at first but then wouldn't the end of the video be happy like they are together? Instead he runs down the stairs and dies. | |
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