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Reply #1830 posted 05/28/16 9:44pm

beachy

purplegirl00 said:

beachy said:

Well yes and no. It was his movie, he got to choose the director and had some say about stuff. The producers would have given an overall budget for salaries, and his managers would have recommended how to divide it up. But if he had wanted to, he could have insisted she get more, because there were legitimate reasons to give her more. He could have given her some of his salary. He just didn't want her to get free.

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In WDC video, he is out riding his bike when she (the dove) is trapped in the room, but she finds the open door behind Matt Fink and flies out. That's when it shows Prince on the stair looking sad as she flies away.

[Edited 5/28/16 21:26pm]

eek Good catch! So maybe on that- he saw her as a dove and himself too! Niiiiice Prince. Does that tie in with the "Empty Room" video?

[Edited 5/28/16 21:35pm]

at the beginning of the WDC the door is opened and its Vanity coming in with the wind, because she brings the doves, you can see one in the video.

"A pair of doves is believed to be a symbol of love and fidelity. Doves are often released by couples on their wedding day as a symbol of purity and to signify the beginning of their new life together."

The stair, washing, mirrors, keep recurring in the video. Another thing he seems to do all the time is put on a hat. In WDC he puts on a hat when he gets on the stair. In empty room it opens with him putting on a hat and he wears it in the tub and when he goes down the stair. I wonder if she gave him the hat he is wearing in that photo we posted of them together?

Another washing reference: at the beginning of Computer Blue,

Wendy?
Yes Lisa
Is the water warm enough?
Yes Lisa
Shall we begin?
Yes Lisa

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Reply #1831 posted 05/28/16 9:46pm

beachy

kellyna said:

purplegirl00 said:

eek Good catch! So maybe on that- he saw her as a dove and himself too! Niiiiice Prince. Does that tie in with the "Empty Room" video?

[Edited 5/28/16 21:35pm]

Well if you watch the video the dove flies into the room with Matt Fink, not out of the room - so maybe it's not as symbolic as people think.

I don't think he's in a room he's on the stage where its open. She's flying out of the room with the tub. And the wall is painted blue to symbolize the sky.

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Reply #1832 posted 05/28/16 9:48pm

purplegirl00

beachy said:

purplegirl00 said:

eek Good catch! So maybe on that- he saw her as a dove and himself too! Niiiiice Prince. Does that tie in with the "Empty Room" video?

[Edited 5/28/16 21:35pm]

at the beginning of the WDC the door is opened and its Vanity coming in with the wind, because she brings the doves, you can see one in the video.

"A pair of doves is believed to be a symbol of love and fidelity. Doves are often released by couples on their wedding day as a symbol of purity and to signify the beginning of their new life together."

The stair, washing, mirrors, keep recurring in the video. Another thing he seems to do all the time is put on a hat. In WDC he puts on a hat when he gets on the stair. In empty room it opens with him putting on a hat and he wears it in the tub and when he goes down the stair. I wonder if she gave him the hat he is wearing in that photo we posted of them together?

Another washing reference: at the beginning of Computer Blue,

Wendy?
Yes Lisa
Is the water warm enough?
Yes Lisa
Shall we begin?
Yes Lisa

Wow.. I just watched "Empty Room" and the one I noticed is that Mayte picks up a white feather from the steps of what looks like a courthouse and then later she is covered in the white feathers. White feathers = doves? Maybe her picking up the feather represents her trying to pick up the pieces of Prince's heart and then her wearing = replacing?

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Man, whoever said that Prince looked miserable in this video, was right.


[Edited 5/28/16 21:52pm]

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Reply #1833 posted 05/28/16 9:58pm

beachy

purplegirl00 said:

beachy said:

at the beginning of the WDC the door is opened and its Vanity coming in with the wind, because she brings the doves, you can see one in the video.

"A pair of doves is believed to be a symbol of love and fidelity. Doves are often released by couples on their wedding day as a symbol of purity and to signify the beginning of their new life together."

The stair, washing, mirrors, keep recurring in the video. Another thing he seems to do all the time is put on a hat. In WDC he puts on a hat when he gets on the stair. In empty room it opens with him putting on a hat and he wears it in the tub and when he goes down the stair. I wonder if she gave him the hat he is wearing in that photo we posted of them together?

Another washing reference: at the beginning of Computer Blue,

Wendy?
Yes Lisa
Is the water warm enough?
Yes Lisa
Shall we begin?
Yes Lisa

Wow.. I just watched "Empty Room" and the one I noticed is that Mayte picks up a white feather from the steps of what looks like a courthouse and then later she is covered in the white feathers. White feathers = doves? Maybe her picking up the feather represents her trying to pick up the pieces of Prince's heart and then her wearing = replacing?

.

Man, whoever said that Prince looked miserable in this video, was right.


[Edited 5/28/16 21:52pm]

I had thought the white feathers were showing her as an angel but I can see where it might also be the dove symbol esp when she picks up the feather.

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Didn't Prince keep a pair of doves by his apartment in PP as pets guarding the entry to his area? by the stairs? I read that somewhere

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Reply #1834 posted 05/28/16 10:03pm

beachy

Just noticed the hat is lying on the floor with the flowers when the doves come into his bathing room at the beginning of WDC. It has a white scarf tied around it. It is hanging on the mirror when he is talking to the mirror. And then he puts it on as he sees the dove fly away at the end.

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Reply #1835 posted 05/28/16 10:15pm

beachy

Doesn't Mayte's character in Empty Room seem like a child? as in 12 yo? All her expressions are childlike and full of wonder. Compare with Vanity doing Nasty Girl. They couldn't be more different.

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Reply #1836 posted 05/28/16 10:23pm

purplegirl00

beachy said:

Just noticed the hat is lying on the floor with the flowers when the doves come into his bathing room at the beginning of WDC. It has a white scarf tied around it. It is hanging on the mirror when he is talking to the mirror. And then he puts it on as he sees the dove fly away at the end.

Yep, then right before the bird flies out the door, it cuts quickly to drawing of the lady! Bird = lady and lady = Vanity.
[Edited 5/28/16 22:25pm]
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Reply #1837 posted 05/28/16 10:28pm

purplegirl00

beachy said:

Doesn't Mayte's character in Empty Room seem like a child? as in 12 yo? All her expressions are childlike and full of wonder. Compare with Vanity doing Nasty Girl. They couldn't be more different.


Yea, that silly hat and outfit make her very young (she was).
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Reply #1838 posted 05/28/16 11:49pm

Goddess4Real

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I found this article, its an interesting read.

http://www.thelastdragontribute.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/1985-Newspaper-article-about-Vanity-in-The-Last-Dragon.png

Keep Calm & Listen To Prince
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Reply #1839 posted 05/29/16 12:23am

contropurple

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cng89 said:



contropurple said:


I think he wasn't too bad with it. If she was meant to be it would of happend long ago. He knew he was expected to show some sadness. In my view Prince was looking for his alter ego in the flesh his whole life. If it didn't add up, he let them go.

But Prince didn't exactly let Denise go, she left him. I don't think he was putting on an act with the sadness when she passed. Prince has never been fake about anything. And if I'm not mistaken, he tried to get her back over the years after their break-up. I think it's important that people know that SHE left him, not the other way around.



I know. But there are ways of letting go before people actually leave. Like ignoring their wishes, silent treatment, denying them something. Screwing around. The list is endless. Thats what i meant.
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Reply #1840 posted 05/29/16 12:25am

contropurple

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beachy said:

H was trying to find a way to avoid the failure of his parents' relationship. He hadn't seen a good one. He was looking at his father's and his manager's behavior and they were womanizers. He adopted the cake and eat it too idea to see if it would work, but his cake got up and walked out the door.



Now thats funny!!!!!
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Reply #1841 posted 05/29/16 12:59am

SunnyGirl8

purplegirl00 said:

30yearfan said:

I completely agree with what you are saying here. I think people who look at his music on the surface only are doing themselves an injustice. There are so many layers and levels to his music. This man was a musical genius. Why even bother to follow an artist of his calibre if you aren't willing to be open to the fact that there was more to him than met the eye. We are trying to show people different things that we have discovered in his music. It's like finding little gifts that he left for us. I have picked up on a lot of things in his music but through this thread I am learning many things that I did not already know.

I'm there too. This thread has made take a look at Prince's music in a way I never have before. Until coming here, I was a "hits fan". Of course, the sexual component of his music was always evident and obvious. However, the spiritual and the emotional I never thought about. So I have grown as fan in the last few weeks. . SunnyGirl8, so far Art Official Age is my favorite of his newer albums. I'm still working through Tidido. "Home", from Lotus Flow3r, lyrics are interesting. I'm trying to figure out what's the deal with the references to pharaohs, and things Egypt. "Way Back Home" is what I call an onion. Lots of layers there in one. Home could be Heavenly home or someone's heart, as in the cliche- home is where the heart is, but also the heart is home. Lots to look at that there. [Edited 5/28/16 16:35pm]

Hi PurpleGirl

Listening to Bria Valente's album (Elixer) is kind of weird because the songs don't sound authentic to her. They seem too personally aligned to Prince and his story. These are the lyrics for Home that you mentioned with the Egypt overtones.

I came down to find you here celibate and all alone
Travelin' in a caravan of Isis tears I've come to claim you for my own
Of course you're scared the first time I appear because many seek your throne
There's no need to worry, no need to fear
You should just feel at home
Home, home, home, at home
Home, home, home, at home, home
And I keep it down, you were up in arms a house full of thieves and liars
A restless heart so easily charmed could end up in a bed of fire
Of course you're scared first time I say let me help you tap on that dome
There's no need to run from your one and only desire
I've come to bring peace to your home
Home, home, home, your home
Home, home, home, your home
I came down to hear you say at last you're finally satisfied
There was never any other who could ever be your lover
And never truly get inside you
Touch the core of what we all live for everlastin' paradise
But you see that in your life there are many houses
But now you've finally got a home
Home, home, home, a home
Home, home, home, a home
I only wanna cleanse your feet with Isis tears and make you feel at home
I only wanna cleanse your feet with Isis tears and make you feel at home
Home, home, home, home, home, home
Home, home, home, welcome home
Home, home
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When I did a search on 'Isis Tears' I found the Osiris Myth - you may want to look at the wiki link it's quite detailed but a pleasant afterlife ties heavily to it.
"The Osiris myth is the most elaborate and influential story in ancient Egyptian mythology. It concerns the murder of the god Osiris, a primeval king of Egypt, and its consequences. Osiris's murderer, his brother Set, usurps his throne. Meanwhile, Osiris's wife Isis restores her husband's body, allowing him to posthumously conceive a son with her. The remainder of the story focuses on Horus, the product of the union of Isis and Osiris, who is at first a vulnerable child protected by his mother and then becomes Set's rival for the throne. Their often violent conflict ends with Horus's triumph, which restores order to Egypt after Set's unrighteous reign and completes the process of Osiris's resurrection. The myth, with its complex symbolism, is integral to the Egyptian conceptions of kingship and succession, conflict between order and disorder, and especially death and the afterlife."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osiris_myth
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Reading part of the huge blurb - it would appear Isis Tears are to do with water, namely:
"In the New Kingdom, when Osiris's death and renewal came to be associated with the annual flooding of the Nile that fertilized Egypt, the waters of the Nile were equated with Isis's tears of mourning,[40] or with Osiris's bodily fluids.[41] Osiris thus represented the life-giving divine power that was present in the river's water and in the plants that grew after the flood."
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So if you wanted to interpret this about Denise you could do it in a sexual way or maybe that he wants to try and heal/regenerate/rejuvenate her (as she's not well). Quite a nice sentiment really.
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Beachy - this may tie to that symbol on the staff in Empty Room when he dies/morphs

[Edited 5/29/16 1:17am]

[Edited 5/29/16 1:22am]

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Reply #1842 posted 05/29/16 1:54am

SunnyGirl8

Purplegirl

I knew something was off with Bria's lyrics! The first song Here Eye Come is talking about the character playing with themselves in the shower and comparing themselves to Kim Basinger in 9 1/2 weeks

http://www.songlyrics.com/bria-valente/here-eye-come-lyrics/

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Reply #1843 posted 05/29/16 2:19am

SunnyGirl8

GeniusLuv said:

purplegirl00 said:

Ok, here is one of those pics I'd love to cut Nikki Sixx out of. Anyway, in the beginning of this article, she talks about Prince briefly. It does say that "Vanity demanded more money for the part (Purple Rain) and she was immediately "expelled" from Prince's magic circle". The article was posted on Housequake.com but I don't know the original source.

I know she showed up at several things of his in the 80's including giving him an AMA in the 80's for Purple Rain and he gave her a snake so i think that was exaggerated, being exiled and all from the purple camp lol

I'd agree. V's friend that was talking on youtube about the whitesnake he gave her at the 1985 AMA awards, he said that when he went to her house she was listening to unreleased Sheila E music. It sounded like she'd only been given it recently. This would have been post 1985 AMA as she had the snake there.

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Reply #1844 posted 05/29/16 2:24am

SunnyGirl8

kellyna said:

Well it goes back to what we discussed earlier. Prince liked to control people and he himself said he did so that people wouldn't leave him. But that's exactly what happened with both Vanity and Morris Day - he wouldn't relinquish control over them or their acts, songs, careers - so instead of keeping them close he drove them away. If Vanity was unhappy in her relationship with him (she loved him but he was messing around with all these other women) and had little or no control over her career, had to sing etc. what Prince wanted her to etc. and then Prince doesn't really offfer her fair pay to be in Purple Rain, I can understand why she felt she had to break away and pursue things on her own, especially as she started getting more lucrative offers, with more opportunities elsewhere. And as she herself said, Prince wasn't about to change, so maybe breaking up with him and moving on was the best thing she could do for herself at the time.

Prince was so prolific and to make it easier performing it's kind of perfect if you can provide not only the band but the supporting acts too! That's what he did with The Time and Vanity6. Problem is that it's Frankenstein's syndrome - once they become successful it becomes more difficult to contain your creations and they see the doors to something else. It was inevitable that she would walk as did many members of the Time - it was really just a matter of when. But that's not a reflection on him, it's just what happens with creative growth. And if anything, it shows that he could really create/tailor acts that could address the gaps in the market, that people could relate to, that made money and hence, that other people were interested in poaching - and of course, none of that's surprising when they're performing his music.

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The personal aspects of Prince and Vanity's relationship are seperate to the business one. I can only imagine, having your protege leave for more lucative offers elsewhere would put enormous strain on any love relationship, irrespective of any other problems you may have. Particularly, when your own creative endeavours are now being compromised (PR nearly tanked over her pulling out and they obviously had a difficult time with financing) and you now need to backfill her role to be able to continue with PR film and the Vanity6 (Appollonia6) album. You can see why he would be hurt by this. In fact, it shows just how much he did love her that he actually still wanted to have anything to do with her after that.

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Neither of them are perfect. They're young, they're dealing with really complicated situations and choices and of course, they're going to make mistakes and not handle things in the ideal way.

[Edited 5/30/16 13:18pm]

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Reply #1845 posted 05/29/16 2:35am

SunnyGirl8

purplegirl00 said:

beachy said:

Doesn't Mayte's character in Empty Room seem like a child? as in 12 yo? All her expressions are childlike and full of wonder. Compare with Vanity doing Nasty Girl. They couldn't be more different.

Yea, that silly hat and outfit make her very young (she was).

I have a feeling there could be 4 characters too. Both P & M in red and then in white. Maybe red=alive, white=dead???

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Reply #1846 posted 05/29/16 2:39am

SunnyGirl8

endiadj said:

beachy said:

Well yes and no. It was his movie, he got to choose the director and had some say about stuff. The producers would have given an overall budget for salaries, and his managers would have recommended how to divide it up. But if he had wanted to, he could have insisted she get more, because there were legitimate reasons to give her more. He could have given her some of his salary. He just didn't want her to get free.

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In WDC video, he is out riding his bike when she (the dove) is trapped in the room, but she finds the open door behind Matt Fink and flies out. That's when it shows Prince on the stair looking sad as she flies away.

[Edited 5/28/16 21:26pm]

i suppose he could've had a say in it but he was still an up and coming musician himself. he hadn't hit it big enough to have too much power in who earned what over a studio or others over him.

I thought the Spin article said her leaving nearly tanked the film? They wanted 2 bankable stars Prince & Vanity. If it was truly about money, surely they would have paid her more to keep her on. But they probably couldn't compete with what she'd get paid by Scorcese. And then Motown.

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Reply #1847 posted 05/29/16 4:08am

Vashtix

wizardtelly said:

I think that another reason we are all not going in the "fan-fic" direction is because in someway, somehow, as we look much deeper we realize and understand what was already obvious. Maybe she wasn't the "one who got away", but she was somebody so special. So very special that he sang out her name after 30 + years. I think that's what I personally am finding so connected about this. So I definitely agree with everyone who stated this prior to me! I do understand it may seem we are desperate to find a resolve in form of a love tale, but it is somewhat looking like that's what it should be, what it is, and unfortunately, until people speak up: we may never know. But darn, we are all great at investigative research! Lol. I think we could all put together an effective dissertation/thesis on this with a little more research to reveal more fact on the two. Think that's why it's so surprising, again! It had been a lifetime since they had romance, or a love, but I guess it never left. Prince was spiritual, so was Denise, the consequence of faith is that there's no coincidence! Think about it.

It is all very spiritual; ultimately the connection between them was thrown at us when he was so emotional at his concerts when dedicating songs to her memory. He was open about his mourning, his loss when she passed. Heartwrenching and tragic to hear him singing out Denise. He is not saying Vanity but Denise. Then Prince had nerve to die and so close behind her as if following her, as if the universe was dictating this - their connection was now exposed.

Maybe this is not a love story at all. I am reading from so many about all of his loves throughout the years;but whatever Prince and Denise were was lifelong, strong, clearly inspirational and a lifeforce that clearly fueled him-something that inspired and was part of him. He could not remain in this earth without her in it -he had to go where she was; as someone said in this thread her being willed him to her and he left us.

Very spiritual, supernatural, it deals in a totally different dimension than earth and mortals.

It gives me chills everytime when thinking of it and saying it.

[Edited 5/29/16 4:10am]

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Reply #1848 posted 05/29/16 4:17am

SunnyGirl8

If your interested getting behind the public facade and reading about the business side of Princes affairs through the 80's, this article discusses his management's perspective of what happened around not releasing Adore as a single with Sign O' The Times, not extending the Sign O' Times Tour and The Black Album etc.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/prince-insider-alan-leeds-on-purple-rain-hysteria-warner-bros-clash-20160426?page=11

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This ties to the previous post in this thread Reply #1107 pg37 that discusses the song Adore and Prince, Vanity and Nikki Sixx in 1986/87.

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Reply #1849 posted 05/29/16 5:05am

purplegirl00

beachy said:



purplegirl00 said:




beachy said:




at the beginning of the WDC the door is opened and its Vanity coming in with the wind, because she brings the doves, you can see one in the video.



"A pair of doves is believed to be a symbol of love and fidelity. Doves are often released by couples on their wedding day as a symbol of purity and to signify the beginning of their new life together."



The stair, washing, mirrors, keep recurring in the video. Another thing he seems to do all the time is put on a hat. In WDC he puts on a hat when he gets on the stair. In empty room it opens with him putting on a hat and he wears it in the tub and when he goes down the stair. I wonder if she gave him the hat he is wearing in that photo we posted of them together?



Another washing reference: at the beginning of Computer Blue,


Wendy?
Yes Lisa
Is the water warm enough?
Yes Lisa
Shall we begin?
Yes Lisa



Wow.. I just watched "Empty Room" and the one I noticed is that Mayte picks up a white feather from the steps of what looks like a courthouse and then later she is covered in the white feathers. White feathers = doves? Maybe her picking up the feather represents her trying to pick up the pieces of Prince's heart and then her wearing = replacing?


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Man, whoever said that Prince looked miserable in this video, was right.




[Edited 5/28/16 21:52pm]



I had thought the white feathers were showing her as an angel but I can see where it might also be the dove symbol esp when she picks up the feather.


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Didn't Prince keep a pair of doves by his apartment in PP as pets guarding the entry to his area? by the stairs? I read that somewhere


You could be right, the feathers on Mayte could symbolizing her as an angel/ virginity.
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The other thing I thought about is that in Christianity, a dove represents the Holy Spirit. I don't know If that somehow is connected to all of this.
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Reply #1850 posted 05/29/16 5:46am

purplegirl00

SunnyGirl8 said:



purplegirl00 said:


30yearfan said:


I completely agree with what you are saying here. I think people who look at his music on the surface only are doing themselves an injustice. There are so many layers and levels to his music. This man was a musical genius. Why even bother to follow an artist of his calibre if you aren't willing to be open to the fact that there was more to him than met the eye. We are trying to show people different things that we have discovered in his music. It's like finding little gifts that he left for us. I have picked up on a lot of things in his music but through this thread I am learning many things that I did not already know.



I'm there too. This thread has made take a look at Prince's music in a way I never have before. Until coming here, I was a "hits fan". Of course, the sexual component of his music was always evident and obvious. However, the spiritual and the emotional I never thought about. So I have grown as fan in the last few weeks. . SunnyGirl8, so far Art Official Age is my favorite of his newer albums. I'm still working through Tidido. "Home", from Lotus Flow3r, lyrics are interesting. I'm trying to figure out what's the deal with the references to pharaohs, and things Egypt. "Way Back Home" is what I call an onion. Lots of layers there in one. Home could be Heavenly home or someone's heart, as in the cliche- home is where the heart is, but also the heart is home. Lots to look at that there. [Edited 5/28/16 16:35pm]

Hi PurpleGirl


Listening to Bria Valente's album (Elixer) is kind of weird because the songs don't sound authentic to her. They seem too personally aligned to Prince and his story. These are the lyrics for Home that you mentioned with the Egypt overtones.



I came down to find you here celibate and all alone
Travelin' in a caravan of Isis tears I've come to claim you for my own

Of course you're scared the first time I appear because many seek your throne
There's no need to worry, no need to fear
You should just feel at home
Home, home, home, at home
Home, home, home, at home, home
And I keep it down, you were up in arms a house full of thieves and liars
A restless heart so easily charmed could end up in a bed of fire
Of course you're scared first time I say let me help you tap on that dome
There's no need to run from your one and only desire
I've come to bring peace to your home
Home, home, home, your home
Home, home, home, your home

I came down to hear you say at last you're finally satisfied
There was never any other who could ever be your lover
And never truly get inside you
Touch the core of what we all live for everlastin' paradise
But you see that in your life there are many houses
But now you've finally got a home
Home, home, home, a home
Home, home, home, a home
I only wanna cleanse your feet with Isis tears and make you feel at home
I only wanna cleanse your feet with Isis tears and make you feel at home
Home, home, home, home, home, home
Home, home, home, welcome home
Home, home

.

When I did a search on 'Isis Tears' I found the Osiris Myth - you may want to look at the wiki link it's quite detailed but a pleasant afterlife ties heavily to it.

"The Osiris myth is the most elaborate and influential story in ancient Egyptian mythology. It concerns the murder of the god Osiris, a primeval king of Egypt, and its consequences. Osiris's murderer, his brother Set, usurps his throne. Meanwhile, Osiris's wife Isis restores her husband's body, allowing him to posthumously conceive a son with her. The remainder of the story focuses on Horus, the product of the union of Isis and Osiris, who is at first a vulnerable child protected by his mother and then becomes Set's rival for the throne. Their often violent conflict ends with Horus's triumph, which restores order to Egypt after Set's unrighteous reign and completes the process of Osiris's resurrection. The myth, with its complex symbolism, is integral to the Egyptian conceptions of kingship and succession, conflict between order and disorder, and especially death and the afterlife."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osiris_myth

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Reading part of the huge blurb - it would appear Isis Tears are to do with water, namely:

"In the New Kingdom, when Osiris's death and renewal came to be associated with the annual flooding of the Nile that fertilized Egypt, the waters of the Nile were equated with Isis's tears of mourning,[40] or with Osiris's bodily fluids.[41] Osiris thus represented the life-giving divine power that was present in the river's water and in the plants that grew after the flood."

.

So if you wanted to interpret this about Denise you could do it in a sexual way or maybe that he wants to try and heal/regenerate/rejuvenate her (as she's not well). Quite a nice sentiment really.

.

Beachy - this may tie to that symbol on the staff in Empty Room when he dies/morphs

[Edited 5/29/16 1:17am]

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I was reading this too, last night trying to make sense of it. So much symbolism and metaphors in everything Prince did but I think you're on to something though. I could totally see the sexual part of this and the healing. Marvin Gay anyone? lol Just kidding.
Isis cried so much that the Nile flooded= pain. She's been floating around from house to house (lovers) but in Home, he IS the home and that's where she should be. In Revelation, he has it figured out and he is trying to show her. He is waiting for to figure it out. Maybe the haters "one by one" are the jealous people and obstacles in the past. The different "hells" he says at the end are all that they've been through separately in search of what was always there in the "deep ocean".
I don't know about the pharaoh's hand, but in WDC, Empty Room, and in one of the Atlanta concerts, he stretches out his hand. Maybe that ties in somehow.
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Reply #1851 posted 05/29/16 6:32am

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purplegirl00 said:

beachy said:

I had thought the white feathers were showing her as an angel but I can see where it might also be the dove symbol esp when she picks up the feather.

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Didn't Prince keep a pair of doves by his apartment in PP as pets guarding the entry to his area? by the stairs? I read that somewhere

You could be right, the feathers on Mayte could symbolizing her as an angel/ virginity. . The other thing I thought about is that in Christianity, a dove represents the Holy Spirit. I don't know If that somehow is connected to all of this.

There's a scene in Empty Room where Mayte walks up stairs that are strewn with white feathers. The white feathers make sense as what the dove left in WDC. Maybe there's some ambiguity about whether Mayte in white is a dove or an angel taking the place of the dove (Vanity)?

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I googled doves and Prince and there are many articles that say he keeps doves at Paisley Park long long after he built the studio in 1987.

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beachy said:



purplegirl00 said:


beachy said:


I had thought the white feathers were showing her as an angel but I can see where it might also be the dove symbol esp when she picks up the feather.


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Didn't Prince keep a pair of doves by his apartment in PP as pets guarding the entry to his area? by the stairs? I read that somewhere



You could be right, the feathers on Mayte could symbolizing her as an angel/ virginity. . The other thing I thought about is that in Christianity, a dove represents the Holy Spirit. I don't know If that somehow is connected to all of this.

There's a scene in Empty Room where Mayte walks up stairs that are strewn with white feathers. The white feathers make sense as what the dove left in WDC. Maybe there's some ambiguity about whether Mayte in white is a dove or an angel taking the place of the dove (Vanity)?


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I googled doves and Prince and there are many articles that say he keeps doves at Paisley Park long long after he built the studio in 1987.


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That's what I initially thought- that Mayte picking up the feather and then being covered in them later meant picking up the pieces left and now she was filling in.
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Reply #1853 posted 05/29/16 7:01am

SunnyGirl8

Goddess4Real said:

I found this article, its an interesting read.

http://www.thelastdragontribute.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/1985-Newspaper-article-about-Vanity-in-The-Last-Dragon.png

Thanks for sharing. She sounds so assertive and clear. Loved her comment "I'm probably the only one around me besides people around me like Prince and others, that knew I would go on"

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Reply #1854 posted 05/29/16 7:06am

purplegirl00

SunnyGirl8 said:



Goddess4Real said:


I found this article, its an interesting read.



http://www.thelastdragontribute.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/1985-Newspaper-article-about-Vanity-in-The-Last-Dragon.png



Thanks for sharing. She sounds so assertive and clear. Loved her comment "I'm probably the only one around me besides people around me like Prince and others, that knew I would go on"


On my out the door, but I'm really interested in seeing this article. I'll also look for Bria's version of Home on Elixir.
I caught something funny, but Prince is talking about a "celibate" person in Home. I just caught that. Only he can get away with saying that in a song.
lol
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Reply #1855 posted 05/29/16 7:16am

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bondno9 said:

I don't Prince was depressed about Vanity but had regret over not reconciling that particular relationship before she passed away. I believe that at the age of 57 he had reached a stage in his life where it was about God and music. With that in mind I don't think he's been writing about Vanity all these years. Maybe in the beginning, but I think he moved on and made God his true love.

I must respectfully agree to disagree.

I believe Prince had strong faith in God but I also believe he is a human being and he can be celibate and he can proselytize for his faith and be "married" to the music but I also believe that he had real relationships and his relationship with Denise was one that stood til the end of time.

I believe they shared a connection that was something that is beyond what is here on earth very spiritual and soulful. One could not exist on earth without the other. People are soul and spirit and theirs were entwined soul/spirit stuff is very mysterious but I believe they shared something in that level to the point he followed her in death.

Their lives (as so many have said on this thread )were on the same paths and it is so clear-things that are factual not made up fangirl stuff. Their passing so closely to each other was just something else that reflects their paths being "same" throughout their lives.

I cannot even begin to touch Purple Rain and it being about them and that being the vehicle that cemented Prince as an International Superstar - his life with her was a big part of himthat resulted in being part of his public persona for the ages.

[Edited 5/28/16 15:55pm]

In an Ebony Magazine article that took place in 12/15 he stated someone speculated who "The Beautiful Ones" was about and they were completely wrong. He said if people look at it, it's very obvious. "Do you want him or do you want me?" He stated that was written specifically for the scene where Morris is sitting with Apollonia and there'd be this back and forth. And also, "The beautiful ones you always seem to lose"; Vanity had just quit the movie. He states, "To then speculate, "Well, he wrote that song about me?" Afterward you go, "Who are you? Why do you think you're part of the script that way? And why would you go around saying stuff like that?"

He stated, "Nine times out of 10, trust me, what's out there now, I wouldn't give nary one of these folks the time of day. That's why I don't say anything back, because there's so much that's wrong."

With him saying all this I still believe he had moved on and Vanity was no longer part of the script romantically. I'm sure a lot would have been revealed in his memoir.

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Reply #1856 posted 05/29/16 7:22am

SunnyGirl8

purplegirl00 said:

SunnyGirl8 said:

Hi PurpleGirl

Listening to Bria Valente's album (Elixer) is kind of weird because the songs don't sound authentic to her. They seem too personally aligned to Prince and his story. These are the lyrics for Home that you mentioned with the Egypt overtones.

I came down to find you here celibate and all alone
Travelin' in a caravan of Isis tears I've come to claim you for my own
Of course you're scared the first time I appear because many seek your throne
There's no need to worry, no need to fear
You should just feel at home
Home, home, home, at home
Home, home, home, at home, home
And I keep it down, you were up in arms a house full of thieves and liars
A restless heart so easily charmed could end up in a bed of fire
Of course you're scared first time I say let me help you tap on that dome
There's no need to run from your one and only desire
I've come to bring peace to your home
Home, home, home, your home
Home, home, home, your home
I came down to hear you say at last you're finally satisfied
There was never any other who could ever be your lover
And never truly get inside you
Touch the core of what we all live for everlastin' paradise
But you see that in your life there are many houses
But now you've finally got a home
Home, home, home, a home
Home, home, home, a home
I only wanna cleanse your feet with Isis tears and make you feel at home
I only wanna cleanse your feet with Isis tears and make you feel at home
Home, home, home, home, home, home
Home, home, home, welcome home
Home, home
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When I did a search on 'Isis Tears' I found the Osiris Myth - you may want to look at the wiki link it's quite detailed but a pleasant afterlife ties heavily to it.
"The Osiris myth is the most elaborate and influential story in ancient Egyptian mythology. It concerns the murder of the god Osiris, a primeval king of Egypt, and its consequences. Osiris's murderer, his brother Set, usurps his throne. Meanwhile, Osiris's wife Isis restores her husband's body, allowing him to posthumously conceive a son with her. The remainder of the story focuses on Horus, the product of the union of Isis and Osiris, who is at first a vulnerable child protected by his mother and then becomes Set's rival for the throne. Their often violent conflict ends with Horus's triumph, which restores order to Egypt after Set's unrighteous reign and completes the process of Osiris's resurrection. The myth, with its complex symbolism, is integral to the Egyptian conceptions of kingship and succession, conflict between order and disorder, and especially death and the afterlife."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osiris_myth
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Reading part of the huge blurb - it would appear Isis Tears are to do with water, namely:
"In the New Kingdom, when Osiris's death and renewal came to be associated with the annual flooding of the Nile that fertilized Egypt, the waters of the Nile were equated with Isis's tears of mourning,[40] or with Osiris's bodily fluids.[41] Osiris thus represented the life-giving divine power that was present in the river's water and in the plants that grew after the flood."
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So if you wanted to interpret this about Denise you could do it in a sexual way or maybe that he wants to try and heal/regenerate/rejuvenate her (as she's not well). Quite a nice sentiment really.
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Beachy - this may tie to that symbol on the staff in Empty Room when he dies/morphs

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I was reading this too, last night trying to make sense of it. So much symbolism and metaphors in everything Prince did but I think you're on to something though. I could totally see the sexual part of this and the healing. Marvin Gay anyone? lol Just kidding. Isis cried so much that the Nile flooded= pain. She's been floating around from house to house (lovers) but in Home, he IS the home and that's where she should be. In Revelation, he has it figured out and he is trying to show her. He is waiting for to figure it out. Maybe the haters "one by one" are the jealous people and obstacles in the past. The different "hells" he says at the end are all that they've been through separately in search of what was always there in the "deep ocean". I don't know about the pharaoh's hand, but in WDC, Empty Room, and in one of the Atlanta concerts, he stretches out his hand. Maybe that ties in somehow. [Edited 5/29/16 6:16am]

I think you've probably cracked it!!!

Water = sex/fertility/healing/life-affirming/rejuvenation (so yeah Marvin Gaye is spot on!)

And if he's in a bath with his trousers that means he's just flirting

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With Revelation, maybe I'm just being a romantic but there's something about "It seems like you've always been here, now that you are, stay with me forever my dear" is saying that they are finally at the same point and he doesn't want her to run off again. It was recorded in the summer 2014. Maybe they finally reconciled on some level???

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As for the Pharaoh's hand - colour systems were important in Egypt but I couldn't see anything directly for that. It may just be a pretty way to say something like 'until we meet God'.

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Reply #1857 posted 05/29/16 7:27am

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Vashtix said:

I must respectfully agree to disagree.

I believe Prince had strong faith in God but I also believe he is a human being and he can be celibate and he can proselytize for his faith and be "married" to the music but I also believe that he had real relationships and his relationship with Denise was one that stood til the end of time.

I believe they shared a connection that was something that is beyond what is here on earth very spiritual and soulful. One could not exist on earth without the other. People are soul and spirit and theirs were entwined soul/spirit stuff is very mysterious but I believe they shared something in that level to the point he followed her in death.

Their lives (as so many have said on this thread )were on the same paths and it is so clear-things that are factual not made up fangirl stuff. Their passing so closely to each other was just something else that reflects their paths being "same" throughout their lives.

I cannot even begin to touch Purple Rain and it being about them and that being the vehicle that cemented Prince as an International Superstar - his life with her was a big part of himthat resulted in being part of his public persona for the ages.

[Edited 5/28/16 15:55pm]

In an Ebony Magazine article that took place in 12/15 he stated someone speculated who "The Beautiful Ones" was about and they were completely wrong. He said if people look at it, it's very obvious. "Do you want him or do you want me?" He stated that was written specifically for the scene where Morris is sitting with Apollonia and there'd be this back and forth. And also, "The beautiful ones you always seem to lose"; Vanity had just quit the movie. He states, "To then speculate, "Well, he wrote that song about me?" Afterward you go, "Who are you? Why do you think you're part of the script that way? And why would you go around saying stuff like that?"

He stated, "Nine times out of 10, trust me, what's out there now, I wouldn't give nary one of these folks the time of day. That's why I don't say anything back, because there's so much that's wrong."

With him saying all this I still believe he had moved on and Vanity was no longer part of the script romantically. I'm sure a lot would have been revealed in his memoir.

Agreed Bondno9, thanks for posting the excerpt from Ebony.

Welcome to "the org", Mumio…they can have you, but I'll have your love in the end nod
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Reply #1858 posted 05/29/16 7:27am

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bondno9 said:

Vashtix said:

I must respectfully agree to disagree.

I believe Prince had strong faith in God but I also believe he is a human being and he can be celibate and he can proselytize for his faith and be "married" to the music but I also believe that he had real relationships and his relationship with Denise was one that stood til the end of time.

I believe they shared a connection that was something that is beyond what is here on earth very spiritual and soulful. One could not exist on earth without the other. People are soul and spirit and theirs were entwined soul/spirit stuff is very mysterious but I believe they shared something in that level to the point he followed her in death.

Their lives (as so many have said on this thread )were on the same paths and it is so clear-things that are factual not made up fangirl stuff. Their passing so closely to each other was just something else that reflects their paths being "same" throughout their lives.

I cannot even begin to touch Purple Rain and it being about them and that being the vehicle that cemented Prince as an International Superstar - his life with her was a big part of himthat resulted in being part of his public persona for the ages.

[Edited 5/28/16 15:55pm]

In an Ebony Magazine article that took place in 12/15 he stated someone speculated who "The Beautiful Ones" was about and they were completely wrong. He said if people look at it, it's very obvious. "Do you want him or do you want me?" He stated that was written specifically for the scene where Morris is sitting with Apollonia and there'd be this back and forth. And also, "The beautiful ones you always seem to lose"; Vanity had just quit the movie. He states, "To then speculate, "Well, he wrote that song about me?" Afterward you go, "Who are you? Why do you think you're part of the script that way? And why would you go around saying stuff like that?"

He stated, "Nine times out of 10, trust me, what's out there now, I wouldn't give nary one of these folks the time of day. That's why I don't say anything back, because there's so much that's wrong."

With him saying all this I still believe he had moved on and Vanity was no longer part of the script romantically. I'm sure a lot would have been revealed in his memoir.

He dedicated The Beautiful One's to Denise in Melbourne and included her name in the song and also said "She knows about this".

He also dedicated Adore to her and stopped in the middle of it to declare her "The Finest Woman in the World".

If you don't know Adore it was written in the mid-80's, it's about meeting 'your One' and the lyrics are:

Until the end of time
I'll be there 4 U
U own my heart and mind
I truly adore U
If God one day struck me blind
Your beauty I'd still see
Love is 2 weak 2 define
Just what U mean 2 me

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That's why this thread exists.

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Reply #1859 posted 05/29/16 8:39am

beachy

purplegirl00 said:

beachy said:

There's a scene in Empty Room where Mayte walks up stairs that are strewn with white feathers. The white feathers make sense as what the dove left in WDC. Maybe there's some ambiguity about whether Mayte in white is a dove or an angel taking the place of the dove (Vanity)?

.

I googled doves and Prince and there are many articles that say he keeps doves at Paisley Park long long after he built the studio in 1987.

[Edited 5/29/16 6:33am]

[Edited 5/29/16 6:35am]

That's what I initially thought- that Mayte picking up the feather and then being covered in them later meant picking up the pieces left and now she was filling in.

yeah I thought so at first but then wouldn't the end of the video be happy like they are together? Instead he runs down the stairs and dies.

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