GeniusLuv said:

Vashtix said:

SunnyGirl8 said:

Ok this is what I worked out today… please give me your thoughts…

I mentioned a couple of pages back Breakdown was the last song that Prince stated was his favourite. I interpret the song is as him being very vulnerable, reflecting on lost love, lamenting his priorities/choices, how that screwed up everything with her and how she inspired his writing. Also, that he's aware of how she's changed him "breaking him down", that he's ready for her now (the door is open - he's changed), he wants her to see that and he isn't going anywhere/he's not going to walk away.

When I looked into further, I realised Breakdown has been compared to another song "Empty Room" that he wrote in 1985. Supposedly, it was about Susannah but I think it was about Vanity.

This is the history of "Empty Room":
4 Aug 1985 Studio recording (not released) - Written for Vanity?
Mid-late March 1992 Studio re-recording (not released) - Vanity becoming religious?
Late 1994 Video version made (using 1985 recording) - Vanity OD? Rejects him?
March 1995 Video shown in UK tour (3-30 Mar 1995) - Vanity gets married 26 March 1995

The video hasn't been shown since then but he's very fond of this song he keeps rerecording it in live performances (2002, 2011, 2014) and has performed it occasionally in live shows in 2002, 2007, 2009, 2010, 2011 and 2014. It's weird as there still hasn't had a studio release of the song. I think this could be another ‘special’ Vanity song like Adore.

In the video, he looks so sad and he's floundering around in bath with his trousers on like in When Doves Cry only he looks miserable! This is the video (Mayte is in it - it's not about her).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3DlEmXkIss

Following that thought -

would there be a Purple Rain if he hadn't met Vanity?

SunnyGirl8 said:

Ok this is what I worked out today… please give me your thoughts…

I mentioned a couple of pages back Breakdown was the last song that Prince stated was his favourite. I interpret the song is as him being very vulnerable, reflecting on lost love, lamenting his priorities/choices, how that screwed up everything with her and how she inspired his writing. Also, that he's aware of how she's changed him "breaking him down", that he's ready for her now (the door is open - he's changed), he wants her to see that and he isn't going anywhere/he's not going to walk away.

When I looked into further, I realised Breakdown has been compared to another song "Empty Room" that he wrote in 1985. Supposedly, it was about Susannah but I think it was about Vanity.

This is the history of "Empty Room":
4 Aug 1985 Studio recording (not released) - Written for Vanity
Mid-late March 1992 Studio re-recording (not released) - Vanity becoming religious
Late 1994 Video version made (using 1985 recording) - Vanity OD? Rejects him?
March 1995 Video shown in UK tour (3-30 Mar 1995) - Vanity gets married 26 March 1995

The video hasn't been shown since then but he's very fond of this song he keeps rerecording it in live performances (2002, 2011, 2014) and has performed it occasionally in live shows in 2002, 2007, 2009, 2010, 2011 and 2014. It's weird as there still hasn't been a studio release of the song. I think this could be another ‘special’ Vanity song like Adore only this isn't about love, it's about her breaking his heart.

In the video, he looks so sad and he's floundeering around in bath with his trousers on like in When Doves Cry only he looks miserable! This is the video (Mayte is in it - it's not about her).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3DlEmXkIss

I'm starting to think more and more that this privacy thing he had was because he didn't want people analysing his writing and being able to link it to his personal life. He’s transparent - his writing is completely autobiographical - it's just all about her!

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There is a lot going on in that Empty room video. I see the same spiral staircase as the WDC video. I also see a reference to the Ballad of Dorothy Parker. Didn't the lyrics say that he took a bubble bath with his pants on after fighting with lovers past. I heard a performance of this song during I believe the ONA tour in the early 2000's where he was talking to the audience and he asked the crowd had they ever had their hearts broke. He talked about how the person has been long gone and you still reminisce about that love. If this song was about Susannah like some suggest, well she was still around when he wrote it. He is talking about a past love that is not with him. In those bios they said it was because of a fight he had with Susannah. But it is clearly not about that. See how much those Prince bios have shaped the narrative.

Also, in the hot with u video (thanks for the link) the girl on the bed does look like Vanity. The girl is also covered with bubbles at the end which kind of looks like the Pretty Mess video. They were both seriously into baths. LOL

GeniusLuv said:

beachy said:

hi genius, back in the thread you mentioned an article that said Vanity wanted to do both PR and the Scorsese movie but Prince made her choose. Do you remember where that came from? thanks alot!

He didn't make her choose between PR and another movie..i never mentioned a scorcese movie just that Motown offered her a movie and recording deal..he made her choose between being with him (and his camp) or going to Motown and getting that deal she eventually took.

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She said she couldn't do both, she said it to Donnie Simpson too, but was nicer about it talking to Donnie..said she couldn't be affiliated with one and do the other (or something like that) she made it seem like SHE HAD TO DO IT (the Motown deal) bcuz it was a drive she had (it was also a $hit load of money--but she didn't say that So it was, be with him OR go to Motown, she chose the mega deal, and Prince wasn't having any of that so she had to walk away from everything. She wasn't getting paid, as she said several times to do PR so she walked, and went with Motown!

Beachy - in the Spin interview which you posted the link earlier, they talk about how it was the conflict of possibly two movie deals, so I think that was also part of the issue between Prince and Vanity, it wasn't only the Motown deal.

For the film’s love interest, Prince cast Vanity, née Denise Matthews, as an aspiring singer torn between the affections of the Kid and Morris.

MAGNOLI When I met Vanity, I was at [nightclub] First Avenue, in the mezzanine area. Before anyone even said a word, I felt a quickening in the air. Within seconds, people started buzzing, “Vanity’s here, Vanity’s here.” I saw her coming through, one of the most beautiful women you could ever lay your eyes on, packed into latex or whatever second skin, looking exquisite.

COLEMAN Vanity was supposed to be the lead, but she left right before the film. It almost tanked the film. I don’t know what happened. Maybe it was a personal issue between her and Prince. They were dating.

MELVOIN My only speculation was that they had a big blowout. That’s what I heard. They had a huge blowout and she bolted.

MAGNOLI What happened was — and it’s the Hollywood story — Martin Scorsese was casting for The Last Temptation of Christ, and they gave her an offer to play Mary Magdalene. She came to me and said, “Listen, I’ve got this offer, my agent wants me to take it, what should I do?” I felt bad for her because I knew she was in a terrible bind. In the end, she and her representative made the determination that they would do the Scorsese project, which then got delayed because of financing.

kellyna said:

You know, Prince seemed like he was very possessive when it came to his ladies. I know he admitted that he has to be in control but from the things I have picked on this thread, it seems like he wanted Denise to stay right under his thumb. Like he told her that if she loved him she would move to MPLS to be with him. He never wanted her to do projects outside of the Purple Camp either. It was like he wanted to control Denise and she wasn't someone who could be control, just like he couldn't be control. I keep saying she is HIM with ovaries. I have seen him with other women as well and it just seems like he has to run the show and they better fall in line. Sometimes I think that if Prince had let Denise do her thing outside of Prince projects, she might not have gone off the deep end and been a huge star.

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Prince loved so hard and intense and that seemed to overwhelm the ladies. I made this comparison before but his love life was so much like Elvis Presley's. EP dictated how his women wore their hair, how they did their make-up and how they dressed. Prince did the same thing I heard. Both of them had women in their lives who impacted them more than anyone (Denise and Ann-Marget) but Prince and EP were men who just loved beautiful women. That's why they were always balancing more than one at a time.

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I don't think Prince set out to hurt Denise and I don't think she meant to hurt him either but with them being so young with so much fame, it was almost plain to see that their relationship wouldn't last forever. I think if they had met in the later years after he calmed down, it would have been a much different story in my opinion.

cng89 said:

You know, Prince seemed like he was very possessive when it came to his ladies. I know he admitted that he has to be in control but from the things I have picked on this thread, it seems like he wanted Denise to stay right under his thumb. Like he told her that if she loved him she would move to MPLS to be with him. He never wanted her to do projects outside of the Purple Camp either. It was like he wanted to control Denise and she wasn't someone who could be control, just like he couldn't be control. I keep saying she is HIM with ovaries. I have seen him with other women as well and it just seems like he has to run the show and they better fall in line. Sometimes I think that if Prince had let Denise do her thing outside of Prince projects, she might not have gone off the deep end and been a huge star.

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Prince loved so hard and intense and that seemed to overwhelm the ladies. I made this comparison before but his love life was so much like Elvis Presley's. EP dictated how his women wore their hair, how they did their make-up and how they dressed. Prince did the same thing I heard. Both of them had women in their lives who impacted them more than anyone (Denise and Ann-Marget) but Prince and EP were men who just loved beautiful women. That's why they were always balancing more than one at a time.

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I don't think Prince set out to hurt Denise and I don't think she meant to hurt him either but with them being so young with so much fame, it was almost plain to see that their relationship wouldn't last forever. I think if they had met in the later years after he calmed down, it would have been a much different story in my opinion.

Actually Prince was a big Elvis fan.........they had many things in common, one being they both got in volved with a teenage girl (Priscilla and Mayte), groomed them to be what they wanted in a woman, married them, and had ONE child---sadly Prince was a dad for only a short time then they both got divorced!

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Also.............Paisley Park was Prince's Graceland.

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GeniusLuv said:

cng89 said:

You know, Prince seemed like he was very possessive when it came to his ladies. I know he admitted that he has to be in control but from the things I have picked on this thread, it seems like he wanted Denise to stay right under his thumb. Like he told her that if she loved him she would move to MPLS to be with him. He never wanted her to do projects outside of the Purple Camp either. It was like he wanted to control Denise and she wasn't someone who could be control, just like he couldn't be control. I keep saying she is HIM with ovaries. I have seen him with other women as well and it just seems like he has to run the show and they better fall in line. Sometimes I think that if Prince had let Denise do her thing outside of Prince projects, she might not have gone off the deep end and been a huge star.

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Prince loved so hard and intense and that seemed to overwhelm the ladies. I made this comparison before but his love life was so much like Elvis Presley's. EP dictated how his women wore their hair, how they did their make-up and how they dressed. Prince did the same thing I heard. Both of them had women in their lives who impacted them more than anyone (Denise and Ann-Marget) but Prince and EP were men who just loved beautiful women. That's why they were always balancing more than one at a time.

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I don't think Prince set out to hurt Denise and I don't think she meant to hurt him either but with them being so young with so much fame, it was almost plain to see that their relationship wouldn't last forever. I think if they had met in the later years after he calmed down, it would have been a much different story in my opinion.

Actually Prince was a big Elvis fan.........they had many things in common, one being they both got in volved with a teenage girl (Priscilla and Mayte), groomed them to be what they wanted in a woman, married them, and had ONE child---sadly Prince was a dad for only a short time then they both got divorced!

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Also.............Paisley Park was Prince's Graceland.

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Ding, ding, ding! I always though that their lives were similiar. I've been study both Prince and EP and have come the conclusion that they just weren't meant to be one woman men no matter how much they loved a woman. They both married, had a child and had their own personal compounds to hide away from prying eyes but I don't think either one was truly happy after they put that ring on.

I hope I'm not making myself more depressed Lol.. But I have continuously been playing, "The Beautiful One's" and rewinding it to the end where he fades from "My knees..Denise..Denise....." Oh God, this is just so sad.

wizardtelly said:

I hope I'm not making myself more depressed Lol.. But I have continuously been playing, "The Beautiful One's" and rewinding it to the end where he fades from "My knees..Denise..Denise....." Oh God, this is just so sad.

Oh, God! I keep playing that ending of 'How Come U Don't Call Me Anymore' where he keeps repeating 'bring her back and bring her back home to me'. Him saying her name over and over is just heartbreaking during 'The Beautiful Ones'. It sound like he had to leave the stage for a minute after that performance.

cng89 said:

GeniusLuv said:

Actually Prince was a big Elvis fan.........they had many things in common, one being they both got in volved with a teenage girl (Priscilla and Mayte), groomed them to be what they wanted in a woman, married them, and had ONE child---sadly Prince was a dad for only a short time then they both got divorced!

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Also.............Paisley Park was Prince's Graceland.

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Ding, ding, ding! I always though that their lives were similiar. I've been study both Prince and EP and have come the conclusion that they just weren't meant to be one woman men no matter how much they loved a woman. They both married, had a child and had their own personal compounds to hide away from prying eyes but I don't think either one was truly happy after they put that ring on.

Because marriage is confining and they can't ''technically'' cheat, even though i believe they both did when ever it suited their fancy!!! LOL!!! They were not made for marriage. They did love their children though, Elvis loved Lisa Marie so much, she always said he was a great dad and he neamed his plane after her:) If Prince's son Ahmir would have lived, i believe Prince would have cherished that little guy.

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I in no way think it was the womens fault, they loved and/or lusted for those women i believe, they were young girls at the time.....i mean they were teens when they were taken in by these men (i blame their mothers for this) plus, i think when you have every woman in the world, possibly, throwing themselves at you..it doesn't matter how pretty, talented, or extremely young your wife is..there will always be another and another and another........

and as steven tyler said once ''there is no way i'm not having that..its that simple!''

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Elvis had an amicable divorce with Priscilla bcuz in the end they both new it wouldn't work, afterall, he was ELVIS PRESLEY!!!!

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But with both Elvis and Prince they didn't end up marrying the women they really loved the most, the ones that were their real matches (Ann Margaret and Vanity). So that was partly why their marriages failed. And they both wanted their women to be under their control and be satistied just being their partners and somewhat in their shadows. Neither Ann Margaret or Vanity were going to do that or put up with them. Both of these women Vanity and Ann Margaret were just as dazzling, charismatic and ambitious as the men.

Plus I think the comparison is limited because I don't think Elvis's connection to Ann Margaret was nearly as deep or substantial as Prince's and Vanity's.

GeniusLuv said:

cng89 said:

Ding, ding, ding! I always though that their lives were similiar. I've been study both Prince and EP and have come the conclusion that they just weren't meant to be one woman men no matter how much they loved a woman. They both married, had a child and had their own personal compounds to hide away from prying eyes but I don't think either one was truly happy after they put that ring on.

Because marriage is confining and they can't ''technically'' cheat, even though i believe they both did when ever it suited their fancy!!! LOL!!! They were not made for marriage. They did love their children though, Elvis loved Lisa Marie so much, she always said he was a great dad and he neamed his plane after her:) If Prince's son Ahmir would have lived, i believe Prince would have cherished that little guy.

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I in know way think it was the womens fault, they loved those women i believe, i mean they were teens when they were taken in by these men (i blame their mothers for this) plus, i think when you have every woman in the world, possibly, throwing themselves at you..it doesn't matter how pretty, talented, or extremely young your wife is..there will always be another and another and another........

and as steven tyler said once ''there is no way i'm not having that..its that simple!''

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Elvis had an amicable divorce with Priscilla bcuz in the end they both new it wouldn't work, afterall, he was ELVIS PRESLEY!!!!

I know Elvis adored his daughter and I know Prince would have adored Ahmir. You know, those girls' parents should have been slapped because in what world could 16 year olds handle grown men who were like sex Gods to the world and in their 20s and 30s? Priscilla moved into Graceland when she was just 16 and I believe Mayte started to become part of the Purple Camp when she was 16 as well. I think those girls just took the cheating for what it was. They were just happy to be a part of something great.

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Man, that rockstar lifestyle is brutal on the women who are involved, lol. I know Mayte and Priscilla knew about the cheating too but what could they say or do? I felt bad for them especially when their husbands exiled them. Priscilla was force to stay at Graceland while EP toured and did movies and Mayte was somewhere in the Marbella, Spain mansion while Prince was touring and such. Those girls had to grow up FAST!

cng89 said:

wizardtelly said:

I hope I'm not making myself more depressed Lol.. But I have continuously been playing, "The Beautiful One's" and rewinding it to the end where he fades from "My knees..Denise..Denise....." Oh God, this is just so sad.

Oh, God! I keep playing that ending of 'How Come U Don't Call Me Anymore' where he keeps repeating 'bring her back and bring her back home to me'. Him saying her name over and over is just heartbreaking during 'The Beautiful Ones'. It sound like he had to leave the stage for a minute after that performance.

kellyna said:

But with both Elvis and Prince they didn't end up marrying the women they really loved the most, the ones that were their real matches (Ann Margaret and Vanity). So that was partly why their marriages failed. And they both wanted their women to be under their control and be satistied just being their partners and somewhat in their shadows. Neither Ann Margaret or Vanity were going to do that or put up with them. Both of these women Vanity and Ann Margaret were just as dazzling, charismatic and ambitious as the men.

Plus I think the comparison is limited because I don't think Elvis's connection to Ann Margaret was nearly as deep or substantial as Prince's and Vanity's.

I see what you are saying about Denise and Ann-Marget. I agree 100% but I have to respectfully disagree with that EP and Ann-Marget connection because to this day, Ann still can't get over that man even though she's married to another. The way she talks about him is just magically. She even refuses to tell his secrets or any details about their relationship. She said that she will guard their personal relationship for life and won't betray his trust even in death. His friends always said that she was the one as well. She was his twin soul. He never got over her either. She was actually invited to the funeral because his people knew just how close they were. When she wrote her bio, she never revealed anything too personal about EP in it, much like how Denise refused to do in hers.

wizardtelly said:

cng89 said:

Oh, God! I keep playing that ending of 'How Come U Don't Call Me Anymore' where he keeps repeating 'bring her back and bring her back home to me'. Him saying her name over and over is just heartbreaking during 'The Beautiful Ones'. It sound like he had to leave the stage for a minute after that performance.

OMG! I have never seen this picture. Ugh, the way he is looking at her is just.... WOW! When was this?

Can someone please post a link of the melbourne show when he talks and sings about Denise

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LOVE the photo up above with them on stage 2gether!

This is increasingly resembling a fanfic thread.

cng89 said:

kellyna said:

But with both Elvis and Prince they didn't end up marrying the women they really loved the most, the ones that were their real matches (Ann Margaret and Vanity). So that was partly why their marriages failed. And they both wanted their women to be under their control and be satistied just being their partners and somewhat in their shadows. Neither Ann Margaret or Vanity were going to do that or put up with them. Both of these women Vanity and Ann Margaret were just as dazzling, charismatic and ambitious as the men.

Plus I think the comparison is limited because I don't think Elvis's connection to Ann Margaret was nearly as deep or substantial as Prince's and Vanity's.

I see what you are saying about Denise and Ann-Marget. I agree 100% but I have to respectfully disagree with that EP and Ann-Marget connection because to this day, Ann still can't get over that man even though she's married to another. The way she talks about him is just magically. She even refuses to tell his secrets or any details about their relationship. She said that she will guard their personal relationship for life and won't betray his trust even in death. His friends always said that she was the one as well. She was his twin soul. He never got over her either. She was actually invited to the funeral because his people knew just how close they were. When she wrote her bio, she never revealed anything too personal about EP in it, much like how Denise refused to do in hers.

Yes I see your point and I've also read that people say that it was Ann Margaret not Priscilla was the love of his life. But for me anyways I don't think it was the same kind of twin souls / soulmate relationship that Prince and Vanity shared. So I don't think it's a very accurate compariosn. All the discussions we've had on this thread about Prince and Vanity sort of following the same path or growing / changing / developing in the same way, that link, that bond was so special. And it appears that it was one that lasted for both of them to the day they died. And Prince dedicating and singing songs about her after she had passed. And then dying so soon after her - for me anyways that makes them as special case, unlike any other couple (famous or otherwise) that I know of.

purplegirl00 said:

Sorry this looks weird, I'm on a phone. It's hard to highlight, copy & paste. If you look at Strange Relationship, he says in there that if she ever left him, he might do something "rash", then you have a couple of other songs which we haven't discussed yet like I Would Die For U- Apples in the movie, locks eyes with him and she does I would die for you gesture. Was that in the original script? Then, in Let's Go Crazy, the first thing you hear is Prince talking as if he were at funeral, then the references to the elevator. Vanity had that 7th Heaven referencing elevator too. Maybe they had some pact? Could all mean nothing. Who knows? [Edited 5/28/16 7:06am] [Edited 5/28/16 7:07am]

No I think you are onto something, that he told her that's how much she meant to him. In the empty room video he comes down the stairs (similar to an elevator) and has a heart attack or somehow dies.. And that is actually how he died...

Hmm, maybe their relationship was more soulmate rather then twin soul when I think about it. I think I might have to agree with you on that, lol.

kellyna said:

GeniusLuv said:

He didn't make her choose between PR and another movie..i never mentioned a scorcese movie just that Motown offered her a movie and recording deal..he made her choose between being with him (and his camp) or going to Motown and getting that deal she eventually took.

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She said she couldn't do both, she said it to Donnie Simpson too, but was nicer about it talking to Donnie..said she couldn't be affiliated with one and do the other (or something like that) she made it seem like SHE HAD TO DO IT (the Motown deal) bcuz it was a drive she had (it was also a $hit load of money--but she didn't say that So it was, be with him OR go to Motown, she chose the mega deal, and Prince wasn't having any of that so she had to walk away from everything. She wasn't getting paid, as she said several times to do PR so she walked, and went with Motown!

Beachy - in the Spin interview which you posted the link earlier, they talk about how it was the conflict of possibly two movie deals, so I think that was also part of the issue between Prince and Vanity, it wasn't only the Motown deal.

For the film’s love interest, Prince cast Vanity, née Denise Matthews, as an aspiring singer torn between the affections of the Kid and Morris.

MAGNOLI When I met Vanity, I was at [nightclub] First Avenue, in the mezzanine area. Before anyone even said a word, I felt a quickening in the air. Within seconds, people started buzzing, “Vanity’s here, Vanity’s here.” I saw her coming through, one of the most beautiful women you could ever lay your eyes on, packed into latex or whatever second skin, looking exquisite.

COLEMAN Vanity was supposed to be the lead, but she left right before the film. It almost tanked the film. I don’t know what happened. Maybe it was a personal issue between her and Prince. They were dating.

MELVOIN My only speculation was that they had a big blowout. That’s what I heard. They had a huge blowout and she bolted.

MAGNOLI What happened was — and it’s the Hollywood story — Martin Scorsese was casting for The Last Temptation of Christ, and they gave her an offer to play Mary Magdalene. She came to me and said, “Listen, I’ve got this offer, my agent wants me to take it, what should I do?” I felt bad for her because I knew she was in a terrible bind. In the end, she and her representative made the determination that they would do the Scorsese project, which then got delayed because of financing.

ok i understand but I just wanted to see the article where it said he made her choose, to see if I could glean any other details. does anybody know where they saw it? Genius or Kelly or anyone else?

cng89 said:

Hmm, maybe their relationship was more soulmate rather then twin soul when I think about it. I think I might have to agree with you on that, lol.

In UTCM Prince called it "2 souls are one". so technically neither soulmate nor twin soul. something more nuanced.

fortuneandserendipity said:

This is increasingly resembling a fanfic thread.

Maybe a little. I think it is because we are looking at songs and videos that he didn't specifically ever link to Vanity. Also I think chicks tend to want the fairytale ending and we bolt that narrative onto all intense relationships. We might be getting a little carried away here but its not too bad yet. I think we'll learn more about their relationship if we stay objective though.

GeniusLuv said:

endiadj said:

i believe there still would've been a purple rain. it was based loosely on his life not hers. the love story aspect would've been different most likely.

Well, i think it was loosley based on both of them....a little of each.

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HIS parents in the movie: 1 black & 1 white = Vanitys story, not his, she was biracial, he wasn't..she had a white (german) mother and a father who was black.

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When they first layed eyes on each other: they see each other across the room, staring at each other intensley..he following her around apparently. That was ALL true, it was THEIR first realization of the other and he was hooked he pursued her for years, even gave her an ultimatum to ''come with me, if you love me'' she told Donnie Simpson that in an interview..

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The girl group thing: Vanity/Apples 6 that again was their story..actually it was Rick James (Morris Day) story who Vanity was dating/working with at the time..she was prompted to be n The Mary Jane Girls..Prince took the girl, the idea, etc. that was her story more than his in a way!!!!

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She leaves him to join Morris's girl group and breaks his heart: she did leave Prince for Motown and Berry Gordy's million dollar movie/singing deal.

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The Beautiful Ones: he wrote this ABOUT HER because Vanity left him (Rolling Stone OR Jet Magazine article) and he was heartbroken, arguably the BEST scene in the movie when he sings to her, desperate and heartbroken bcuz she chose something/someone else!!!!!

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There are so many other things in this movie, i mean how could there have been a Purple Rain if he neve met her? Its really her story as much as his if not more.

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I agree Genius and without the love story most of PR falls apart, it definitely needed a love story to be a successful film (look at what a failure commercially graffiti bridge was - no love story!) and her story was an essential part of the dynamic in his ultimate success. Its too bad it doesn't show how she succeeded in HER dreams at the end like it shows his. Because they both had ambition.

GeniusLuv said:

cng89 said:

You know, Prince seemed like he was very possessive when it came to his ladies. I know he admitted that he has to be in control but from the things I have picked on this thread, it seems like he wanted Denise to stay right under his thumb. Like he told her that if she loved him she would move to MPLS to be with him. He never wanted her to do projects outside of the Purple Camp either. It was like he wanted to control Denise and she wasn't someone who could be control, just like he couldn't be control. I keep saying she is HIM with ovaries. I have seen him with other women as well and it just seems like he has to run the show and they better fall in line. Sometimes I think that if Prince had let Denise do her thing outside of Prince projects, she might not have gone off the deep end and been a huge star.

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Prince loved so hard and intense and that seemed to overwhelm the ladies. I made this comparison before but his love life was so much like Elvis Presley's. EP dictated how his women wore their hair, how they did their make-up and how they dressed. Prince did the same thing I heard. Both of them had women in their lives who impacted them more than anyone (Denise and Ann-Marget) but Prince and EP were men who just loved beautiful women. That's why they were always balancing more than one at a time.

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I don't think Prince set out to hurt Denise and I don't think she meant to hurt him either but with them being so young with so much fame, it was almost plain to see that their relationship wouldn't last forever. I think if they had met in the later years after he calmed down, it would have been a much different story in my opinion.

Actually Prince was a big Elvis fan.........they had many things in common, one being they both got in volved with a teenage girl (Priscilla and Mayte), groomed them to be what they wanted in a woman, married them, and had ONE child---sadly Prince was a dad for only a short time then they both got divorced!

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Also.............Paisley Park was Prince's Graceland.

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Great comparisons I would have never thought of - and both died way too young and are icons

beachy said:

purplegirl00 said:

Sorry this looks weird, I'm on a phone. It's hard to highlight, copy & paste. If you look at Strange Relationship, he says in there that if she ever left him, he might do something "rash", then you have a couple of other songs which we haven't discussed yet like I Would Die For U- Apples in the movie, locks eyes with him and she does I would die for you gesture. Was that in the original script? Then, in Let's Go Crazy, the first thing you hear is Prince talking as if he were at funeral, then the references to the elevator. Vanity had that 7th Heaven referencing elevator too. Maybe they had some pact? Could all mean nothing. Who knows? [Edited 5/28/16 7:06am] [Edited 5/28/16 7:07am]

No I think you are onto something, that he told her that's how much she meant to him. In the empty room video he comes down the stairs (similar to an elevator) and has a heart attack or somehow dies.. And that is actually how he died...

The chills are here again

Too much for mere coincidence

SunnyGirl8 said:

beachy said:

I don't know who told him but he didn't have his entourage around. His personal photographer was there in Melbourne and she gave this interview.

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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/arts/music/from-teen-dreams-to-privileged-post-behind-princes-purple-curtain/news-story/5ffca1d4787918b237d02a57cb9b20bf?nk=a37ca71a0ed86a7a73bac69b7dcc77be-1464415955

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“It was really unusual,” she said. “He wasn’t in the room for a while and then he suddenly came back in and he said the most beautiful and sincere thank-you.”

Walpole had spent three years staring into his face through a lens. She knew that face like the back of her hand and there was something across his face that night that she hadn’t seen before, something tender and vulnerable, something big and universal that crossed from mere polite gratit­ude into the realms of acceptance, and fate, and last chances.

“It was the way he said thanks to me that night,” she said.

“The way he looked. I felt at the time it was an unusual thing for him to do. It feels so poignant now when I look back. I don’t know, it probably sounds weird. He was so softly spoken and so quiet, the way he stood there. It was always sad leaving Prince.”

Thanks Beachy - so that was his last professional photo. Wow!

yeah! He had no entourage with him...that was unusual, I wonder if he dismissed them for the day when he found out she had died. I love how we have this record of him being vulnerable and tender when he found out...it contrasts with how he partied after the concerts!