2elijah said:

Sassey said:

Again, you're not important to me. This site is NOT called 2elijah.org. You and your idol need to grow up.

Obviously, I am because you're still responding, and you're right ...this site is not about me, and never was, but this site is also not called "Disgruntled and Bitter Ex-Prince Employees Limiited.Org" Hope you seek help with your obsession though. Good luck with that.

This will be my last post to you. Don't miss me too much okay? Thanks for the entertainment, you've been a blast, and do enjoy your day.

The only thing obvious is your immaturity and insecurity. I realize you need to feel important here and this is why you constantly project. I don't care about your obsession or if you ever seek help for it or not. Stop trying to ruin the OP's thread. I hope you get lost chicky.

whoa..maybe time to lock this thread up!. Nice that P & St. P hooked up..maybe P should give Susannah a quick call too!

Wishing them the best. What I don't get is that there's the assumed impression that the group did mostly close to nothing:

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Susannah: Prince went into the studio and started writing some songs. I was in L.A. at the time and Paul was in Minneapolis. Prince asked David Z, Bobby Z’s brother, to be the engineer and producer for the record. Prince would be the executive producer but Prince said, “It’s really up to you guys to get this record done.” That made it even more enticing because Prince was like, “Here’s some songs. You guys go!” So we recorded it with Paul doing his vocals in Los Angeles and David Z would fly out there and record them. Then he would fly to Los Angeles where I would do my vocals. It was kind of wacky because it wasn’t done like that back then. David would be flying back and forth with these huge boxes of tape.

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Rocker: Paul, memories from recording session?

Paul: I was still living at my mom’s house. Susan Rogers would deliver me the recording with Prince showing me the songs with his vocal on it. Those bootlegs that are out there today are those original tapes that I had to learn verbatim. They were done to a T, no doubt, but on line there are some false facts that state that you can hear Prince on the finished recording and it’s not true. That’s me.

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Rocker: Where did the string arrangements come from?

Susannah: Once it was finished, in my opinion it needed strings. Prince and I were talking about string arrangements. My father had worked with Claire Fischer many times, and some of my favorite records were the Rufus records and Claire Fischer had done all the string arrangements on all those records. Prince and I were listening to “Rufusized” at the time and I said, “What about strings like this?” Prince said, “That would be great.” I told him my dad knew Claire, and that we should send the tape to Claire. We went in the studio with a 35+ piece orchestra in Pasadena. Prince was not there. It was just the band. That was the moment we realized that this record was going to be something. It became fully realized at that point.

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Rocker: Did Prince control everything?

Susannah: He didn’t on this one.

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Rocker: You guys actually had creative input?

Susannah: He had full faith in these players. He knew Eric had an incredible ability. Amazing player. Amazing writer. He knows how to conduct an orchestra. He can write a lead sheet like nobody’s business. He knows how to do it all. Paul is a savant. He can play any instrument. And he’s got the voice. Although I come from an incredibly musical family, I wasn’t schooled per se. I didn’t go to college for music. I didn’t write. I and my sister were the ear gals. We had an uncanny ability to hear any music and play it. Prince had no worry that he would give us this project and everything would fucking fall about.

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He had confidence in us. It was “Let’s see what happens. Go for it!” People think that record was all Prince. And yes, they are his songs, no doubt about it. But historically speaking I can’t look back and think that Paul and I had nothing to do with it. That’s just not true. I had way too much influence at the time with Prince, as Eric did.

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Rocker: Is it true the band rehearsed every day for a year before the record’s launch?

Susannah: Every day in rehearsal hall, working on sections of songs for hours and hours and hours. Sometimes Prince would come in if he was in town. He would stay with us and hang out all day. We were there every day and happy to do so. We were so young. I was 21 at the time. It taught all of us an incredible work ethic and discipline. He had no tolerance for any other way.

No surprises here We've all heard these same type of stories from most of Prince's former proteges and bandmembers.Prince may be a musical genuis,but he also comes across as very insecure and bitter.

Shango said:

Wishing them the best. What I don't get is that there's the assumed impression that the group did mostly close to nothing:

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Susannah: Prince went into the studio and started writing some songs. I was in L.A. at the time and Paul was in Minneapolis. Prince asked David Z, Bobby Z’s brother, to be the engineer and producer for the record. Prince would be the executive producer but Prince said, “It’s really up to you guys to get this record done.” That made it even more enticing because Prince was like, “Here’s some songs. You guys go!” So we recorded it with Paul doing his vocals in Los Angeles and David Z would fly out there and record them. Then he would fly to Los Angeles where I would do my vocals. It was kind of wacky because it wasn’t done like that back then. David would be flying back and forth with these huge boxes of tape.

-

Rocker: Paul, memories from recording session?

Paul: I was still living at my mom’s house. Susan Rogers would deliver me the recording with Prince showing me the songs with his vocal on it. Those bootlegs that are out there today are those original tapes that I had to learn verbatim. They were done to a T, no doubt, but on line there are some false facts that state that you can hear Prince on the finished recording and it’s not true. That’s me.

-

Rocker: Where did the string arrangements come from?

Susannah: Once it was finished, in my opinion it needed strings. Prince and I were talking about string arrangements. My father had worked with Claire Fischer many times, and some of my favorite records were the Rufus records and Claire Fischer had done all the string arrangements on all those records. Prince and I were listening to “Rufusized” at the time and I said, “What about strings like this?” Prince said, “That would be great.” I told him my dad knew Claire, and that we should send the tape to Claire. We went in the studio with a 35+ piece orchestra in Pasadena. Prince was not there. It was just the band. That was the moment we realized that this record was going to be something. It became fully realized at that point.

-

Rocker: Did Prince control everything?

Susannah: He didn’t on this one.

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Rocker: You guys actually had creative input?

Susannah: He had full faith in these players. He knew Eric had an incredible ability. Amazing player. Amazing writer. He knows how to conduct an orchestra. He can write a lead sheet like nobody’s business. He knows how to do it all. Paul is a savant. He can play any instrument. And he’s got the voice. Although I come from an incredibly musical family, I wasn’t schooled per se. I didn’t go to college for music. I didn’t write. I and my sister were the ear gals. We had an uncanny ability to hear any music and play it. Prince had no worry that he would give us this project and everything would fucking fall about.

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He had confidence in us. It was “Let’s see what happens. Go for it!” People think that record was all Prince. And yes, they are his songs, no doubt about it. But historically speaking I can’t look back and think that Paul and I had nothing to do with it. That’s just not true. I had way too much influence at the time with Prince, as Eric did.

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Rocker: Is it true the band rehearsed every day for a year before the record’s launch?

Susannah: Every day in rehearsal hall, working on sections of songs for hours and hours and hours. Sometimes Prince would come in if he was in town. He would stay with us and hang out all day. We were there every day and happy to do so. We were so young. I was 21 at the time. It taught all of us an incredible work ethic and discipline. He had no tolerance for any other way.

Well, Paul and Susannah sang on the record and Eric Leeds played sax. But that has never been a secret has it

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paulludvig said: Well, Paul and Susannah sang on the record and Eric Leeds played sax. But that has never been a secret has it

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True, yet as Susannah says: "People think that record was all Prince"

TheEnglishGent said:

I don't care, I couldn't care less. The only thing in this thread that makes me sick is when people say they could care less when they mean they couldn't care less.

God bless the American education system.

Shango said:

paulludvig said: Well, Paul and Susannah sang on the record and Eric Leeds played sax. But that has never been a secret has it

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True, yet as Susannah says: "People think that record was all Prince"

Well it was almost all Prince, with Paul and Susannah copying Prince's vocals on "the original tapes that I [Paul] had to learn verbatim", as Paul states. In addition Eric played sax, and probably wrote, or co-wrote, his own lines. Members of The Family were also standing in the studio in Pasadena, watching and listening, while Claire Fisher conducted his orchestra.

Prince has promised or implied support for The Time, The Family and The Revolution on a host of projects over the last 20 years or so and delivered on absolutely nothing. That's just a fact. Sheila E, for a time was slightly more successful in getting him to honor what he says, but then he flaked out on her too.

We can speculate on why he says he is down, negotiates conditions and terms that are favorable to him, then ultimately stiffs them. But the fact remains that he consistently asks them for things, gets his way, then fails to do what he said he would do in exchange. He knows that he ultimately has their "ho card" and that they have no choice but to keep trying. But that's not really the actions of a friend, a man of spiritual faith, or true Jehovah's Witness is it?

So why does he do it? Here is what I think.

Prince succeeded with these people... and ultimately, for him, that is a problem. He doesn't want anyone to think he succeeded BECAUSE of these people. He is hell-bent on history minimizing their influence and contributions. The only problem here is that he did succeed because of these people. He is so talented that you might imagine he could have also succeed with a different cast, but if he did, the music would be totally different. The reality is that these artists have left their mark in the dna of all the hits. Their contribution mattered. Prince didn't do it all by himself, no matter how much he wishes or imagines that it was possible for him to have been a one-man wrecking crew. He wasn't. And Prince is truly uncomfortable with that fact. He has spent 20 years trying to tell us Lisa Coleman didn't matter much, but all he has done is given us hundreds of examples that prove otherwise. That's my theory.

everybody on here thats talking shit if prince called them today and asked them 2 work with him u would hear the pig squeals and they would be on the next plane.susannah was fucked when she mixed business with pleasure that rarely ever ends good so her story wasnt gonna be a happy one. do u see mayte and prince working 2gether again?? u have people who played a bigger role and had more input than her yet people are acting like she the reason prince was born

cbarnes3121 said:

everybody on here thats talking shit if prince called them today and asked them 2 work with him u would hear the pig squeals and they would be on the next plane.susannah was fucked when she mixed business with pleasure that rarely ever ends good so her story wasnt gonna be a happy one. do u see mayte and prince working 2gether again?? u have people who played a bigger role and had more input than her yet people are acting like she the reason prince was born

I have often said that the reason things were so bitter with Wendy, Susannah and Lisa is that they were all involved in a relationship with Prince. They thought it was more than business and got their identities all wrapped up in him.

They weren't just released from a job when Prince disbanded The Revolution. That was a full-on break-up, followed by an identity crisis.

He took their virginity (in a manner of speaking) - and they've never gotten over it.

The ex factor definitely creates a different dynamic. I don't feel people have to be around exes if they don't want to be, business or not. Just my opinion. Some people do not wish to re-visit that period of their lives. P's old bandmates, & protege's include ex finacee's, an ex wife, & ex gf's.

The thing is....when Prince is done with a person,he is completely done with them.He discards people like they are yesterday's newspaper.I remember an interview in the 90s where he was asked if he misses certain bandmembers from his past.He said no,adding "Attachment is stagnation"

I hope that the 3rdEye Girls don't get too comfortable.He will turn on them someday,as well.

SoulAlive said:

The thing is....when Prince is done with a person,he is completely done with them.He discards people like they are yesterday's newspaper.I remember an interview in the 90s where he was asked if he misses certain bandmembers from his past.He said no,adding "Attachment is stagnation"

I hope that the 3rdEye Girls don't get too comfortable.He will turn on them someday,as well.

Well that's true of a lot of people. Who enjoys hanging out with their exes? Prince isn't doing it. It could be as simple as that.

SoulAlive said:

The thing is....when Prince is done with a person,he is completely done with them.He discards people like they are yesterday's newspaper.I remember an interview in the 90s where he was asked if he misses certain bandmembers from his past.He said no,adding "Attachment is stagnation"

I hope that the 3rdEye Girls don't get too comfortable.He will turn on them someday,as well.

Well, he played with Andre within the last year. Let's see what happens. Andre is not an ex though

skywalker said:

SoulAlive said:

The thing is....when Prince is done with a person,he is completely done with them.He discards people like they are yesterday's newspaper.I remember an interview in the 90s where he was asked if he misses certain bandmembers from his past.He said no,adding "Attachment is stagnation"

I hope that the 3rdEye Girls don't get too comfortable.He will turn on them someday,as well.

Well that's true of a lot of people. Who enjoys hanging out with their exes? Prince isn't doing it. It could be as simple as that.

Exactly.

funksterr said:

toots said:

funksterr said:

Prince has promised or implied support for The Time, The Family and The Revolution on a host of projects over the last 20 years or so and delivered on absolutely nothing. That's just a fact. Sheila E, for a time was slightly more successful in getting him to honor what he says, but then he flaked out on her too.

We can speculate on why he says he is down, negotiates conditions and terms that are favorable to him, then ultimately stiffs them. But the fact remains that he consistently asks them for things, gets his way, then fails to do what he said he would do in exchange. He knows that he ultimately has their "ho card" and that they have no choice but to keep trying. But that's not really the actions of a friend, a man of spiritual faith, or true Jehovah's Witness is it?

So why does he do it? Here is what I think.

Prince succeeded with these people... and ultimately, for him, that is a problem. He doesn't want anyone to think he succeeded BECAUSE of these people. He is hell-bent on history minimizing their influence and contributions. The only problem here is that he did succeed because of these people. He is so talented that you might imagine he could have also succeed with a different cast, but if he did, the music would be totally different. The reality is that these artists have left their mark in the dna of all the hits. Their contribution mattered. Prince didn't do it all by himself, no matter how much he wishes or imagines that it was possible for him to have been a one-man wrecking crew. He wasn't. And Prince is truly uncomfortable with that fact. He has spent 20 years trying to tell us Lisa Coleman didn't matter much, but all he has done is given us hundreds of examples that prove otherwise. That's my theory.

I agree with u on this..ty for saying it...and I might add he took credit away when it was given years ago...he needs to stop his hissy fits and give credit where its due and where it was given years ago....he being a asshat point blank...especially when he made Wendy and Lisa take down a clip of YouTube that they was performing mountains..Lisa helped with that and many others on the album...I am sorry but till he stops his asshatting ways he got no respect from me ...he needs to grow up bad ...goes to look for one of my daughter diapers and a binky to shoosh his whining ....end of rant [Edited 5/10/13 21:31pm]

Let's see he's got your money and obviously your attention. Your respect? Yeah he's gonna miss that!

skywalker said:

SoulAlive said:

The thing is....when Prince is done with a person,he is completely done with them.He discards people like they are yesterday's newspaper.I remember an interview in the 90s where he was asked if he misses certain bandmembers from his past.He said no,adding "Attachment is stagnation"

I hope that the 3rdEye Girls don't get too comfortable.He will turn on them someday,as well.

Well that's true of a lot of people. Who enjoys hanging out with their exes? Prince isn't doing it. It could be as simple as that.

True,but I don't see why he has to erase those people from his life completely They all played a part in his history.

people can stop saying what prince promised the time prince has been there 4 them and soon as he left them 2 grow on their own look how quick they feel apart maybe they just doomed 2 b 2gether 2 many damn egos and maybe prince bigger ego sileienced them and made them get the work done.look at it though its amazing how we all defend members of the time,revolution,the family etc yet they all seem 2 go back 2 prince begging 4 his attention.if a person is soo damn toxic i stay the hell away 4 good.jellybean still made after all these years that prince let them go he claims jesse wanna be prince i mean so like really is prince is all so bad why the hell cry over that past let it go???

another comparsion thats like say if michael jackson really did molest wade robson why go back begging 2 work with him and dying 2 around him if he did something so tramatic 2 u ??

toots said:

funksterr said:

prove otherwise. That's my theory.

I agree with u on this..ty for saying it...and I might add he took credit away when it was given years ago...he needs to stop his hissy fits and give credit where its due and where it was given years ago....he being a asshat point blank...especially when he made Wendy and Lisa take down a clip of YouTube that they was performing mountains..Lisa helped with that and many others on the album...I am sorry but till he stops his asshatting ways he got no respect from me ...he needs to grow up bad ...goes to look for one of my daughter diapers and a binky to shoosh his whining ....end of rant [Edited 5/10/13 21:31pm]

Can you name them?

ya know....when the Time re-formed in the late 80s for Corporate World/Pandemonium and the goddawful Graffiti Bridge movie,I thought that was the beginning of a "new" Prince.I thought that he had finally put his ego aside and decided to stop running from his past.No more drama,no more attitudes,no more bitter feelings.I thought that would be the beginning of a whole new partnership/friendship with those guys.When he asked them to perform on his 1999 Rave concert special,I thought that was cool.One big happy family.But then he has to go and RUIN things with the Original 7 drama (not allowing them to use their original name) Yeah I know....he owns that name and it's his right to re-claim it,blah blah blah.That's all business,but what about "friendship"? Doesn't that mean anything,too? Prince is the type of person who probably doesn't have too many "real" friends.He alienates people.It's sad.

HonestMan13 said:

paulludvig said:

toots said:

paulludvig said:

Can you name them?

Yep some..can u let see I'll start with Wendy... Lisa..matt..mark..bobby..David..Andre aka the revolution...poochie and the count on 1999...Jill Jones ...Apolonia...need I go on or shall I dig out my CDs and tell u each person who helped with arrangements on each CD

My mistake. I thought you ment many others songs on the Parade album.

toots said:

paulludvig said:

Can you name them?

Yep some..can u let see I'll start with Wendy... Lisa..matt..mark..bobby..David..Andre aka the revolution...poochie and the count on 1999...Jill Jones ...Apolonia...need I go on or shall I dig out my CDs and tell u each person who helped with arrangements on each CD

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[Edited 5/11/13 4:01am]

cbarnes3121 said:

people can stop saying what prince promised the time prince has been there 4 them and soon as he left them 2 grow on their own look how quick they feel apart maybe they just doomed 2 b 2gether 2 many damn egos and maybe prince bigger ego sileienced them and made them get the work done.look at it though its amazing how we all defend members of the time,revolution,the family etc yet they all seem 2 go back 2 prince begging 4 his attention.a if person is soo damn toxic i stay the hell away 4 good.jellybean still made after all these years that prince let them go he claims jesse wanna be prince i mean so like really is prince is all so bad why the hell cry over that past let it go???

another comparsion thats like say if michael jackson really did molest wade robson why go back begging 2 work with him and dying 2 around him if he did something so tramatic 2 u ??

(Highlighted part) You have a point. If that person did them so wrong, and is so toxic, then why bother having anything to do with someone they claimed did them wrong? Bashing him in an interview won't get them anywhere, it will just create more distance if anything, and just become gossip pieces for fans, that will fade until the next gossip piece. Some of what they expose in their interviews,seem like a desperate attempt for his attention or to work with him again, yet at the same time, some of them claim they've moved on with their lives and don't need him.

toots said:

HonestMan13 said:

Let's see he's got your money and obviously your attention. Your respect? Yeah he's gonna miss that!

Speak for urself I haven't paid for jack crap since Graffitti bridge and that I never paid for either...let alone all the albums cassettes etc etc since so no he has no money of mine...relatives that paid for it yep but not mine....dam straight I paid for my own Wendy and Lisa stuff never the purple midgets...o and this site is free nor did I pay for that POS site lotus or his perfume either the perfume stunk just like his career in the past few year [Edited 5/11/13 3:15am]

But you've paid attention to it all obviously to have an opinion on it all(POS site, perfume stunk, etc.). That's a lot of attention for someone you have no respect for still have enough of an interest to obtain his material by whatever means so you can have some semblance of allegiance to former band members. Do you honestly think that W&L are burning the royalty checks they get from Purple Rain? It's nice that you have your convictions I'm sure they hold up really well when you're jamming to the Prince CD's someone bought you as a gift.

man..enough with the excuses. Nobody knows about the Family aside from the core Prince fans so who cares if the name can't be used. As Prince said a lot of people still don't know he wrote "nothing compares to u" so that says a lot about how known the Family are.. If they put out a great album and promote it properly then the ball could start rolling .Where are the videos and the promotion? Also Prince made a good point about the Jackson 5 not being the same without MJ.

I don't see the problem with his argument since he did a lot of work on it.

It would be a false representation if they went by that name and Prince wasn't all over that record..

I understand that they want to further the legacy of the Family since Prince hasn't show interest in doing so but The Family ain't the same without Prince..

[Edited 5/11/13 7:05am]

TrueFunkSoldier2 said:

man..enough with the excuses. Nobody knows about the Family aside from the core Prince fans so who cares if the name can't be used. As Prince said a lot of people still don't know he wrote "nothing compares to u" so that says a lot about how known the Family are.. If they put out a great album and promote it properly then the ball could start rolling .Where are the videos and the promotion? Also Prince made a good point about the Jackson 5 not being the same without MJ.

I don't see the problem with his argument since he did a lot of work on it.

It would be a false representation if they went by that name and Prince wasn't all over that record..

I understand that they want to further the legacy of the Family since Prince hasn't show interest in doing so but The Family ain't the same without Prince..

[Edited 5/11/13 7:05am]

so true say it again and again.they know these were all prince projects he invited them 2 and they were merely just faces and voices patterened after his .my thing if u believe in your music that much who cares about a name shit u see prince dont when he was tired of warner brothers he changed his name who the hell are they 2 feel t hey entitled 2 a name prince created and crafted??yes they are all talented just go on and do your thing without prince he is certainly doing his without them