Maybe Prince might jam with Larry and his band at an afterhours spot like in 2010 when Prince jammed with LG at BB King's club.

bashraka said:

Maybe Prince might jam with Larry and his band at an afterhours spot like in 2010 when Prince jammed with LG at BB King's club.

It is beyond sad that a grown woman wrote this on her Facebook page:

[img:$uid]http://i.imgur.com/RX0IO.png[/img:$uid]

[Snip - luv4u]

What's the big deal about what Shelby J wrote? She's only promoting the appearance of a close musical associate and the possibibility that Prince may perform or appear with Larry Graham.

BartVanHemelen said:

bashraka said:

Maybe Prince might jam with Larry and his band at an afterhours spot like in 2010 when Prince jammed with LG at BB King's club.

It is beyond sad that a grown woman wrote this on her Facebook page:

[img:$uid]http://i.imgur.com/RX0IO.png[/img:$uid]

[Snip - luv4u]

Bart, do you follow Shelby J on facebook?...just curious...

However, I think her post is acceptable "internet lingo" especially if you want to identify yourself as being "hip" in which she probably has more hip or younger followers than you think (you are probably in the minority-assumption made.) I have heard her interview in person and she was very well spoken. Although, I don't know the point you were trying to make, so I could be way off base here.

Also, (shamefully)...I don't know ANYTHING about Wendy and/or Lisa before/beyond "Purple Rain", so I'm not sure why you compared Shelby to those two.

Prince would be better off if he had associates like Wendy and/or Lisa rather than Shelby J because_________________________?

pueroda said:

BartVanHemelen said:

It is beyond sad that a grown woman wrote this on her Facebook page:

[img:$uid]http://i.imgur.com/RX0IO.png[/img:$uid]

[Snip - luv4u]

Bart, do you follow Shelby J on facebook?...just curious...

However, I think her post is acceptable "internet lingo"

No, it isn't. Random capitalization, numerous spelling errors, idiotic hearts,... This is a grown-ass woman talking about the new CD of a 66 year old man (a new CD which by the way once again includes several covers of his old songs). She isn't a frikking fourteen year old talking about Justin Bieber.

BartVanHemelen said:

pueroda said:

Bart, do you follow Shelby J on facebook?...just curious...

However, I think her post is acceptable "internet lingo"

No, it isn't. Random capitalization, numerous spelling errors, idiotic hearts,... This is a grown-ass woman talking about the new CD of a 66 year old man (a new CD which by the way once again includes several covers of his old songs). She isn't a frikking fourteen year old talking about Justin Bieber.

Hahaha...too funny! I just enjoy the music (or not)....that's all.

As long as Prince is happy with his life (associates), that's all that matters...right?

Thanks

'He's got SO MANY HITS' .... I wonder if she even realizes his live sets are mostly Sly Stone songs?

I know thats right johnny2000! LG the fool in a cult!

BartVanHemelen said:

pueroda said:

Bart, do you follow Shelby J on facebook?...just curious...

However, I think her post is acceptable "internet lingo"

No, it isn't. Random capitalization, numerous spelling errors, idiotic hearts,... This is a grown-ass woman talking about the new CD of a 66 year old man (a new CD which by the way once again includes several covers of his old songs). She isn't a frikking fourteen year old talking about Justin Bieber.

Take into consideration that you're posting on PRINCE.ORG about her FB post. A site that is rife with emoticons, gifs and random capitaliztions all perpetrated by adults talking about people they haven't shared a stage with much less know. Shelby knows Larry and her post is that of a friend promoting a friend. What's the random orgers excuse for the same behaviors?

For those who didn't watch or couldn't, Larry was only playing/singing with the house band and then backed by his own band for the intros/outros between segments. Letterman mentioned and showed the new CD.

and it didn't seem like it was all that to see for the little I saw at the end

I just tried to watch this online and couldn't sit through Letterman. He annoys the hell out of me.

pueroda said:

BartVanHemelen said:

It is beyond sad that a grown woman wrote this on her Facebook page:

[img:$uid]http://i.imgur.com/RX0IO.png[/img:$uid]

[Snip - luv4u]

Bart, do you follow Shelby J on facebook?...just curious...

However, I think her post is acceptable "internet lingo" especially if you want to identify yourself as being "hip" in which she probably has more hip or younger followers than you think (you are probably in the minority-assumption made.) I have heard her interview in person and she was very well spoken. Although, I don't know the point you were trying to make, so I could be way off base here.

Also, (shamefully)...I don't know ANYTHING about Wendy and/or Lisa before/beyond "Purple Rain", so I'm not sure why you compared Shelby to those two.

Prince would be better off if he had associates like Wendy and/or Lisa rather than Shelby J because_________________________?

It's called haterade.................

BartVanHemelen said:

bashraka said:

Maybe Prince might jam with Larry and his band at an afterhours spot like in 2010 when Prince jammed with LG at BB King's club.

It is beyond sad that a grown woman wrote this on her Facebook page:

[img:$uid]http://i.imgur.com/RX0IO.png[/img:$uid]

[Snip - luv4u]

Hey Shelby! Be honored that this guy consumes his time following you on facebook, and not the other way around

Larry was the one who hooked Shelby up with Prince, so she's pretty much obligated to gush over anything he puts out. Really the entire NPG come off as azz-kissing jackasses on social media. I guess on-line promotion is part of their job now, since Prince seems to think he is above it. It's funny how they never are so confident in a project to promote it on this site. I guess they know if it's soft, we are going to cut it to pieces.

Well THAT was boring... After hints of special surprises, to only see Larry sitting in with the house band....

LAWD.

...and I can't stand Letterman, both personally and because of how he's referred to Prince in the past.

I really didn't think P would show up on his show, but foolishly watched anyway.

The animals were cool though.

~G

[Edited 10/9/12 9:32am]

funksterr said:

Larry was the one who hooked Shelby up with Prince, so she's pretty much obligated to gush over anything he puts out. Really the entire NPG come off as azz-kissing jackasses on social media. I guess on-line promotion is part of their job now, since Prince seems to think he is above it. It's funny how they never are so confident in a project to promote it on this site. I guess they know if it's soft, we are going to cut it to pieces.

What do you mean obligated? Are you saying that she's being forced to write what she did? and how do you know she's ass kissing. I see it among many of indie musicians that I know, they promote each other's work and I'm sure she respects Larry enough to do so. I don't see how that is unusual. Is she supposed to go on facebook and bash it? Maybe I'm not following you.

[Edited 10/9/12 10:03am]

Giovanni777 said:

Well THAT was boring... After hints of special surprises, to only see Larry sitting in with the house band....

LAWD.

...and I can't stand Letterman, both personally and because of how he's referred to Prince in the past.

I really didn't think P would show up on his show, but foolishly watched anyway.

The animals were cool though.

~G

[Edited 10/9/12 9:32am]

I'm glad I didnt stay up for this.

funksterr said:

Larry was the one who hooked Shelby up with Prince, so she's pretty much obligated to gush over anything he puts out. Really the entire NPG come off as azz-kissing jackasses on social media. I guess on-line promotion is part of their job now, since Prince seems to think he is above it. It's funny how they never are so confident in a project to promote it on this site. I guess they know if it's soft, we are going to cut it to pieces.

I don't see the problem of her promoting familiar or new musicians/artists on her own FB page. ShelbyJ used to be part of Larry Graham's band before becoming part of NPG, so of course it's not surprising she would promote a friend/a musician she's familiar with and was part of his band at one time. Secondly, it's her fb page, so she should be able to post what she pleases and how she chooses. Thirdly, it's not like any of the band members are obligated to promote anything on this particular site when there are so many other sites they can promote musician friends/artists on.

'Choose to chooses edit'

[Edited 10/9/12 11:02am]

BartVanHemelen said:

bashraka said:

Maybe Prince might jam with Larry and his band at an afterhours spot like in 2010 when Prince jammed with LG at BB King's club.

It is beyond sad that a grown woman wrote this on her Facebook page:

[img:$uid]http://i.imgur.com/RX0IO.png[/img:$uid]

[Snip - luv4u]

Good god! [Snip - luv4u] The woman is promoting an album that will, most likely, go unnoticed. Seriously, who gives a flying fuck what she posts on Facebook? She's a damn good singer...that's all I care about.

2elijah said:

funksterr said:

Larry was the one who hooked Shelby up with Prince, so she's pretty much obligated to gush over anything he puts out. Really the entire NPG come off as azz-kissing jackasses on social media. I guess on-line promotion is part of their job now, since Prince seems to think he is above it. It's funny how they never are so confident in a project to promote it on this site. I guess they know if it's soft, we are going to cut it to pieces.

I don't see the problem of her promoting familiar or new musicians/artists on her own FB page. ShelbyJ used to be part of Larry Graham's band before becoming part of NPG, so of course it's not surprising she would promote a friend/a musician she's familiar with and was part of his band at one time. Secondly, it's her fb page, so she should be able to post what she pleases and how she chooses. Thirdly, it's not like any of the band members are obligated to promote anything on this particular site when there are so many other sites they can promote musician friends/artists on.

'Choose to chooses edit'

[Edited 10/9/12 11:02am]

Prince and Larry Graham are incredible musicians. But neither of these cats are doing anything cool anymore. They think like busted old men and they write boring songs like busted old men. So when I hear their younger employee GUSHING all over a fairly lame cd, I can't help but to suspect that employee's praise in disingenuous. And ultimately it hurts the final product, because Prince seems to take their false praise as affirmation that he's on the right track.

I know they don't HAVE to come to this site to announce things, but still I'm pretty sure they are also AFRAID of the criticism.

[Edited 10/9/12 20:01pm]

funksterr said:

2elijah said:

I don't see the problem of her promoting familiar or new musicians/artists on her own FB page. ShelbyJ used to be part of Larry Graham's band before becoming part of NPG, so of course it's not surprising she would promote a friend/a musician she's familiar with and was part of his band at one time. Secondly, it's her fb page, so she should be able to post what she pleases and how she chooses. Thirdly, it's not like any of the band members are obligated to promote anything on this particular site when there are so many other sites they can promote musician friends/artists on.

'Choose to chooses edit'

[Edited 10/9/12 11:02am]

Prince and Larry Graham are incredible musicians. But neither of these cats are doing anything cool anymore. They think like busted old men and they write boring songs like busted old men. So when I hear their younger employee GUSHING all over a fairly lame cd, I can't help but to suspect that employee's praise in disingenuous. And ultimately it hurts the final product, because Prince seems to take their false praise as affirmation that he's on the right track.

I know they don't HAVE to come to this site to announce things, but still I'm pretty sure they are also AFRAID of the criticism.

[Edited 10/9/12 20:01pm]

I agree they're both incredible musicians, but as far as ShelbyJ, she used to be in LG's band, so there is nothing wrong with her promoting a friend or fellow musician's music, on her own FB page.

Also, since none of us are behind closed doors to hear the critique from Prince's band members regarding music they collaborate with him on, all we're left to do is speculate and draw conclusions, by looking in from the outside.

I have favorite musicians'/artists' music, that I listen to, but there are times, when I don't like every song, so what I don't like-no matter how much respect I have for a favorite artist-I just don't listen to it, and will move on to the next.

About criticism, I don't think it's a matter of any of the band members fearing criticism from fans on this site, as if such was the case, they would have packed up a long time ago and quit. I believe musicians/artists know that criticism of their work, comes with the package. I'm not talking about bashing--which I consider a form of abuse in disguise, I'm mainly talking about constructive criticism, positive/negative, that an artist can use to their advantage. I think if one allows the fear of criticism to own them in a negative way, then they can't move forward, but learning how to master constructive criticism and use it to one's advantage, can aid in rising above various, levels of criticism.

'All to all edit'

[Edited 10/9/12 22:51pm]

funksterr said:

2elijah said:

I don't see the problem of her promoting familiar or new musicians/artists on her own FB page. ShelbyJ used to be part of Larry Graham's band before becoming part of NPG, so of course it's not surprising she would promote a friend/a musician she's familiar with and was part of his band at one time. Secondly, it's her fb page, so she should be able to post what she pleases and how she chooses. Thirdly, it's not like any of the band members are obligated to promote anything on this particular site when there are so many other sites they can promote musician friends/artists on.

'Choose to chooses edit'

[Edited 10/9/12 11:02am]

Prince and Larry Graham are incredible musicians. But neither of these cats are doing anything cool anymore. They think like busted old men and they write boring songs like busted old men. So when I hear their younger employee GUSHING all over a fairly lame cd, I can't help but to suspect that employee's praise in disingenuous. And ultimately it hurts the final product, because Prince seems to take their false praise as affirmation that he's on the right track.

I know they don't HAVE to come to this site to announce things, but still I'm pretty sure they are also AFRAID of the criticism.

[Edited 10/9/12 20:01pm]

Your statement probably echoes a lot of orgers sentiments regarding the NPG members but also brings up the question of "Why do you follow/check up on the FB postings of someone you think is a mindless sycophant?" They're doing what they choose to do on their FB page but you ultimately have the decision not to follow it. Everytime someone hooks up with Prince's band their FB likes shoot up because orgers run to their FB pages.

2elijah said:

funksterr said:

Prince and Larry Graham are incredible musicians. But neither of these cats are doing anything cool anymore. They think like busted old men and they write boring songs like busted old men. So when I hear their younger employee GUSHING all over a fairly lame cd, I can't help but to suspect that employee's praise in disingenuous. And ultimately it hurts the final product, because Prince seems to take their false praise as affirmation that he's on the right track.

I know they don't HAVE to come to this site to announce things, but still I'm pretty sure they are also AFRAID of the criticism.

[Edited 10/9/12 20:01pm]

I agree they're both incredible musicians, but as far as ShelbyJ, she used to be in LG's band, so there is nothing wrong with her promoting a friend or fellow musician's music, on her own FB page.

Also, since none of us are behind closed doors to hear the critique from Prince's band members regarding music they collaborate with him on, all we're left to do is speculate and draw conclusions, by looking in from the outside.

I have favorite musicians'/artists' music, that I listen to, but there are times, when I don't like every song, so what I don't like-no matter how much respect I have for a favorite artist-I just don't listen to it, and will move on to the next.

About criticism, I don't think it's a matter of any of the band members fearing criticism from fans on this site, as if such was the case, they would have packed up a long time ago and quit. I believe musicians/artists know that criticism of their work, comes with the package. I'm not talking about bashing--which I consider a form of abuse in disguise, I'm mainly talking about constructive criticism, positive/negative, that an artist can use to their advantage. I think if one allows the fear of criticism to own them in a negative way, then they can't move forward, but learning how to master constructive criticism and use it to one's advantage, can aid in rising above various, levels of criticism.

'All to all edit'

[Edited 10/9/12 22:51pm]

I'm not so sure that they are using criticism to their advantage. I think they are only hardening toward it. It's clear to me that they lurk on Prince.org, as they should because this is the only site really discussing their work. But it's strange they aren't openly posting. FDeluxe and O7ven communicated directly with the fanbase here. Prince and The NPG clearly hide in the shadows. I am positive it's because they know we don't like much of what they do. I think even they aren't turned on by much of what Prince puts out, but can't admit it because they work for him, hence the gushing posts and false praise from Shelby and others.

funksterr said:

2elijah said:

I agree they're both incredible musicians, but as far as ShelbyJ, she used to be in LG's band, so there is nothing wrong with her promoting a friend or fellow musician's music, on her own FB page.

Also, since none of us are behind closed doors to hear the critique from Prince's band members regarding music they collaborate with him on, all we're left to do is speculate and draw conclusions, by looking in from the outside.

I have favorite musicians'/artists' music, that I listen to, but there are times, when I don't like every song, so what I don't like-no matter how much respect I have for a favorite artist-I just don't listen to it, and will move on to the next.

About criticism, I don't think it's a matter of any of the band members fearing criticism from fans on this site, as if such was the case, they would have packed up a long time ago and quit. I believe musicians/artists know that criticism of their work, comes with the package. I'm not talking about bashing--which I consider a form of abuse in disguise, I'm mainly talking about constructive criticism, positive/negative, that an artist can use to their advantage. I think if one allows the fear of criticism to own them in a negative way, then they can't move forward, but learning how to master constructive criticism and use it to one's advantage, can aid in rising above various, levels of criticism.

'All to all edit'

[Edited 10/9/12 22:51pm]

I'm not so sure that they are using criticism to their advantage. I think they are only hardening toward it. It's clear to me that they lurk on Prince.org, as they should because this is the only site really discussing their work. But it's strange they aren't openly posting. FDeluxe and O7ven communicated directly with the fanbase here. Prince and The NPG clearly hide in the shadows. I am positive it's because they know we don't like much of what they do. I think even they aren't turned on by much of what Prince puts out, but can't admit it because they work for him, hence the gushing posts and false praise from Shelby and others.

I don't think its unusual for people who work for Prince to not post here. This is generally a hostile place, Prince-wise, but an ass kissing place for associated artists like FDeluxe, O7 and especially Wendy and Lisa. the same way you feel about Prince andLarry' s music is how I feel about most of the associated artists music, yet whenever I'm honest about it, people have an issue. I could see why they feel more comfortable posting here.

funksterr said:

2elijah said:

I agree they're both incredible musicians, but as far as ShelbyJ, she used to be in LG's band, so there is nothing wrong with her promoting a friend or fellow musician's music, on her own FB page.

Also, since none of us are behind closed doors to hear the critique from Prince's band members regarding music they collaborate with him on, all we're left to do is speculate and draw conclusions, by looking in from the outside.

I have favorite musicians'/artists' music, that I listen to, but there are times, when I don't like every song, so what I don't like-no matter how much respect I have for a favorite artist-I just don't listen to it, and will move on to the next.

About criticism, I don't think it's a matter of any of the band members fearing criticism from fans on this site, as if such was the case, they would have packed up a long time ago and quit. I believe musicians/artists know that criticism of their work, comes with the package. I'm not talking about bashing--which I consider a form of abuse in disguise, I'm mainly talking about constructive criticism, positive/negative, that an artist can use to their advantage. I think if one allows the fear of criticism to own them in a negative way, then they can't move forward, but learning how to master constructive criticism and use it to one's advantage, can aid in rising above various, levels of criticism.

'All to all edit'

[Edited 10/9/12 22:51pm]

I'm not so sure that they are using criticism to their advantage. I think they are only hardening toward it. It's clear to me that they lurk on Prince.org, as they should because this is the only site really discussing their work. But it's strange they aren't openly posting. FDeluxe and O7ven communicated directly with the fanbase here. Prince and The NPG clearly hide in the shadows. I am positive it's because they know we don't like much of what they do. I think even they aren't turned on by much of what Prince puts out, but can't admit it because they work for him, hence the gushing posts and false praise from Shelby and others.

This site is hardly the litmus test for good music. Most criticisms on here regarding Prince's music come off as bashing and really offer no significant viewpoint. There are some rare exceptions from orgers who actually have a valid opinoon and not some axe to grind. Wading throught the often toxic posts on here has turned off non musicians so I could imagine artists not being inclined to jump in here so readily. fDeluxe are taking a very different approach to reestablishing their career/fanbase but they can do that without it turning into a freakfest. If Prince posted here the servers would overload with equal amounts of fanaticism and venom.

If you truly feel that the NPG are that disingenous then why do you follow them at all?

Larry Graham is in a Cult and seems as if he has P in there also!

[Edited 10/10/12 14:32pm]

HonestMan13 said:

funksterr said:

Prince and Larry Graham are incredible musicians. But neither of these cats are doing anything cool anymore. They think like busted old men and they write boring songs like busted old men. So when I hear their younger employee GUSHING all over a fairly lame cd, I can't help but to suspect that employee's praise in disingenuous. And ultimately it hurts the final product, because Prince seems to take their false praise as affirmation that he's on the right track.

I know they don't HAVE to come to this site to announce things, but still I'm pretty sure they are also AFRAID of the criticism.

[Edited 10/9/12 20:01pm]

Your statement probably echoes a lot of orgers sentiments regarding the NPG members but also brings up the question of "Why do you follow/check up on the FB postings of someone you think is a mindless sycophant?" They're doing what they choose to do on their FB page but you ultimately have the decision not to follow it. Everytime someone hooks up with Prince's band their FB likes shoot up because orgers run to their FB pages.

I agree that if you're not interested in a musician/artist, then why bother frequenting the FB pages of their band members? Makes no sense. Different strokes for different folks of course, but I just could never see the sense in someone frequenting an artist's fansite or social media site, that they're not interested in. Guess that's a question/curiosity that will always be up in the air or in wonderment, if the latter is such a term, among fans.

Also, I'm sure many of Prince's band members have fans outside of members of the Org. I guess it is not unusual though, that fans of a well-known artist would frequent social media sites of band members for current/future info regarding their artist of interest.

[Edited 10/10/12 11:00am]

2elijah said:

HonestMan13 said:

Your statement probably echoes a lot of orgers sentiments regarding the NPG members but also brings up the question of "Why do you follow/check up on the FB postings of someone you think is a mindless sycophant?" They're doing what they choose to do on their FB page but you ultimately have the decision not to follow it. Everytime someone hooks up with Prince's band their FB likes shoot up because orgers run to their FB pages.

I agree that if you're not interested in a musician/artist, then why bother frequenting their FB page or seeking info on their band members? Makes no sense. Different strokes for different folks of course, but I just could never see the sense in someone frequenting an artist's fansite or social media site, that they're not interested in. Guess that's a questions/curiosity that will always be up in the air or in wonderment, if the latter is such a term.

Also, I would like to believe many of Prince's band members have fans outside of members of the Org. I guess it is not unusual though, that fans of a well-known artist will have frequent social media sites of their band members for info.

You both make good point and I can't say I'm in disagreement with any of what you said really. Except that, it's kind of obvious that Prince frequents the site. It's just rather strange, that they don't post info here in an official capacity. My guess is that they know the projects can't hold up to a knowledgeable evaluation by die-hard Orgers.

[Edited 10/10/12 10:54am]