Astasheiks said:

When did AA first come on the scene/performance with P? Does anyone know? I think its been around a year and half or so. From that time to today.

Bellanoche must just became a Prince fan yesterday, , How many females have done an album and dropped some going back to Vanity; baby thats a long list!!!

[Edited 9/28/12 20:19pm]

I think it was the first Montreal Jazz Festival show, summer of 2011... I could be wrong, though.

That was what, June 24th, 2011?

She already put an album out before she met P...she should have kept doing her own thing...

Yea, thats what I thought, about year and a half ...

[Edited 9/28/12 22:12pm]

I think my sister said it best when she saw Andy perform People Pleaser at UC, "She's just not talented." Now to put this is context, my sister is a very casual Prince fan. She's not into Prince's life, history, or music past the early 90s. She was just speaking objectively, and her assessment of Andy is very telling.

Prince is doing this all wrong. He's trying to convince me that Andy is funky. I know she's not and I don't care. I'll buy the album when it comes out anyway. Why? Because I'm a die-hard Prince fan and that's what I do. Instead, he should be trying to reach (and listen to the reviews of) people like my sister. She represents the masses who are not interested in getting their hands on any piece of music he produces.

And quite frankly, I think my sister hit the nail on the head. Andy is a fish out of water with the NPG. I don't care how much she and Prince stare into each other eyes, she does not fit his musical style. I think airbak said it best when she said Prince and the NPG do nothing for Andy except highlight her musical immaturity. I almost laughed out loud at Sunday's listening party when Andy commented on how Maceo and Trombone Shorty were in the studio together and they were trying to outplay one another. She literally tripped over her words trying to describe the experience and it told me that this is just not her scene.

And has anyone noticed how hungry the girl looks these days? Is Prince starving her?

[Edited 9/28/12 22:23pm]

PurpleChi said:

Astasheiks said:

Bellanoche must just became a Prince fan yesterday, , How many females have done an album and dropped some going back to Vanity; baby thats a long list!!!

[Edited 9/28/12 20:19pm]

Actually Bellanoche and I both became Prince fans almost thirty years ago, but we've been females all our lives LOL! We know that if you're a good-looking female, you can get what you want from men without ALWAYS having to give up sex. In the case of Anna Nicole Smith, I don't think the guy in the wheel chair could even get it up anymore and yet he was sponsoring her.

You're comparing apples to oranges I believe when you discuss the women of P's past. Back in the day, Prince was young, extremely sexy, freaky as hell and WILDLY hot. A lot of women wanted to bed him back then. Getting a CD out of the deal was a bonus. Prince is much older now, more tame. He still looks good and I don't think he would have problems pulling women his age or maybe even women in their 30s who will dig him, but I don't think many 20 somethings are into him sexually. They are mostly looking for sponsors. Just my opinion. At the end of the day, I really don't care if he's tapping Andy or not. I just don't want to see P go down the path of Hugh Hefner or Quincy Jones...getting young chicks who could care less than a damn about him. I'd like to see him with someone who truly cares about him...Sheila E. maybe? LOL I know...the flame has probably gone out on that candle

It's not that Andy isn't talented, because she is. It's that she is working with a mega superstar like Prince and an energy of a band that is light years ahead of her abilities as an entertainer. Not just musically, but charismatically.

You are on the money about it highlighting her musical immaturity. She would have been better suited with a Sade style then a funk diva.

PurpleChi said:

I think my sister said it best when she saw Andy perform People Pleaser at UC, "She's just not talented." Now to put this is context, my sister is a very casual Prince fan. She's not into Prince's life, history, or music past the early 90s. She was just speaking objectively, and her assessment of Andy is very telling.

Prince is doing this all wrong. He's trying to convince me that Andy is funky. I know she's not and I don't care. I'll buy the album when it comes out anyway. Why? Because I'm a die-hard Prince fan and that's what I do. Instead, he should be trying to reach (and listen to the reviews of) people like my sister. She represents the masses who are not interested in getting their hands on any piece of music he produces.

And quite frankly, I think my sister hit the nail on the head. Andy is a fish out of water with the NPG. I don't care how much she and Prince stare into each other eyes, she does not fit his musical style. I think airbak said it best when she said Prince and the NPG do nothing for Andy except highlight her musical immaturity. I almost laughed out loud at Sunday's listening party when Andy commented on how Maceo and Trombone Shorty were in the studio together and they were trying to outplay one another. She literally tripped over her words trying to describe the experience and it told me that this is just not her scene.

And has anyone noticed how hungry the girl looks these days? Is Prince starving her?

[Edited 9/28/12 22:23pm]

GoldenParachute said:

It's not that Andy isn't talented, because she is. It's that she is working with a mega superstar like Prince and an energy of a band that is light years ahead of her abilities as an entertainer. Not just musically, but charismatically.

You are on the money about it highlighting her musical immaturity. She would have been better suited with a Sade style then a funk diva.

I get what you're saying about Andy being talented. But the point I was making in my post is that my sister knew nothing of Andy's first album and was seeing her perform for the first time at the Welcome 2 Chicago shows. She's not able to gauge the fact that Andy may have some talent outside of Prince's influence. All she saw was a woman flopping around to music that she clearly wasn't comfortable with, so her assessment was that Andy is just not talented. My sister even said that Andy couldn't sing. Now, I know Andy sounds better than that because I've heard her perform her own music and her thin voice sounds sweet over those simple tunes. However, paired with a full-on funk band, her voice sounds strained--like it's trying to keep up.

That's the danger of Andy working with Prince. Yes, he can give her exposure, but if she is not singing the right music for her particular talent, all of that exposure will only leave more people with a bad taste in their mouths. Remember, first impressions are the most important. People who felt like my sister (which were many of the people in my section) won't buy this album or anything else from Andy.

PurpleChi, What you said at the end reminds of what one person wrote about after her aftershow, I think was Sunday or Monday, they saw Andy below the HOB with a trunk full of her stuff that look like it didn't sell.

Also, doesn't this make P look like a fool trying to push a less talented person by many people observations into their mix?!?

airbak said:

Okay, before people rip my head off, I think Andy Allo is a beautiful girl who seems funny and alluring. I can see why Prince admitted to having "a crush on that girl." I bought her first CD and for what it was, I thought it was pretty decent. Her original CD featured a more stripped down sound of her voice with the acoustic guitar and R&B style jams that were simple. I also think she writes some good lyrics. However, after seeing her performances during the WTC shows and hearing Superconductor, I really don't like her folded into the Prince "funk batter." Some of the songs on Superconductor are cool, but overall, I don't think she fits in this zone. She is still a young artist and though she's receiving first-rate training from the master, performing with Prince and the NPG band highlights and underscores her musical immaturity. It also showcases that she's just not a funk diva, which is okay. I think if she does her instead of allowing Prince to mold her into a younger Sheila E., she'll be cool. What do you guys think?

INTERVENTION/CONCERT REVIEW

I feel I have to finally break my online silence and state an intervention must be called for this sad situation of a person who is pretending to be a musician yet obviously holding onto the coattails of Prince. It is apparent even more after the Prince Chicago concerts this low quality singing and non-guitar playing person needs to stop thinking she can get on a seasoned artists stage and think people will not see her charade.

I do not understand how a person who is obviously not a strong singer and appears to not be serious about truly playing the guitar - should in any way be on the stage with an artist of Prince's caliber. There are so many true musicians who take their art seriously who have the talent and are struggling and praying for an opportunity. Yet it appears this person is taking for granted the opportunity for which she has not paid her dues. And at the Monday Chicago Afterjam it was even more apparent when one of the more seasoned guitar players was playing the same exact guitar line she was suppose to be playing.

At each of his shows in Chicago when this non-musician was given the opportunity to perform the excitement and momentum Prince had going suddenly was gone. People sat down and it was if the air left the room. The audience was merely looking to Prince to please stop the train wreck they were watching on the stage and for him to take back his stage from Amateur Night at the Allo.

I know Prince is a loving, spiritual man who wants to help people. And yes we all should help people when we can. However, there are some people who will take advantage of someone's kindness. That was apparent when Allo did a very low move in my opinion by suddenly calling the NPG HER band. At that point it was apparent she not only thought she could hang on to Prince's coattails but actually now was delusional enough to think she was at his seniority and musical level. That is when it became apparent the silence must end.

RECOMMENDATIONS

1) Immediately cease having her perform with Prince period

2) She needs to be out doing the very small venue circuit and get the experience she needs before beginning to think she can be on the stage with more seasoned and serious musicians

3) If she has no intention to truly learn and play the guitar then she should just focus in getting vocal training to improve her voice

4) She needs to learn how to actually maintain a presence of the audience properly rather than giving an immature approach of running across the stage to just get attention with no purpose

5) She must find her own originality rather than badly attempting to just copy what Prince does and think that makes her look like she knows what she is doing; and any music/lyrics which are actually done by Prince should be specified

6) She is not ready for prime time and I honestly do not believe she is serious about music

7) Prince must immediately cease all contact with her and let her make it on her own without audiences being forced to hear a person who appears to obviously not be serious about music and only trying to use him to obtain credibility but cannot perform. And he must stop giving or allowing her to give a poor impression of a 54 year old man being interested in a 20 something year old child. Even in joking it is not cool to give that impression about someone who is young enough to be his granddaughter.

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The lovebirds

3121TV said:

airbak said:

Okay, before people rip my head off, I think Andy Allo is a beautiful girl who seems funny and alluring. I can see why Prince admitted to having "a crush on that girl." I bought her first CD and for what it was, I thought it was pretty decent. Her original CD featured a more stripped down sound of her voice with the acoustic guitar and R&B style jams that were simple. I also think she writes some good lyrics. However, after seeing her performances during the WTC shows and hearing Superconductor, I really don't like her folded into the Prince "funk batter." Some of the songs on Superconductor are cool, but overall, I don't think she fits in this zone. She is still a young artist and though she's receiving first-rate training from the master, performing with Prince and the NPG band highlights and underscores her musical immaturity. It also showcases that she's just not a funk diva, which is okay. I think if she does her instead of allowing Prince to mold her into a younger Sheila E., she'll be cool. What do you guys think?

INTERVENTION/CONCERT REVIEW

I feel I have to finally break my online silence and state an intervention must be called for this sad situation of a person who is pretending to be a musician yet obviously holding onto the coattails of Prince. It is apparent even more after the Prince Chicago concerts this low quality singing and non-guitar playing person needs to stop thinking she can get on a seasoned artists stage and think people will not see her charade.

I do not understand how a person who is obviously not a strong singer and appears to not be serious about truly playing the guitar - should in any way be on the stage with an artist of Prince's caliber. There are so many true musicians who take their art seriously who have the talent and are struggling and praying for an opportunity. Yet it appears this person is taking for granted the opportunity for which she has not paid her dues. And at the Monday Chicago Afterjam it was even more apparent when one of the more seasoned guitar players was playing the same exact guitar line she was suppose to be playing.

At each of his shows in Chicago when this non-musician was given the opportunity to perform the excitement and momentum Prince had going suddenly was gone. People sat down and it was if the air left the room. The audience was merely looking to Prince to please stop the train wreck they were watching on the stage and for him to take back his stage from Amateur Night at the Allo.

I know Prince is a loving, spiritual man who wants to help people. And yes we all should help people when we can. However, there are some people who will take advantage of someone's kindness. That was apparent when Allo did a very low move in my opinion by suddenly calling the NPG HER band. At that point it was apparent she not only thought she could hang on to Prince's coattails but actually now was delusional enough to think she was at his seniority and musical level. That is when it became apparent the silence must end.

RECOMMENDATIONS

1) Immediately cease having her perform with Prince period

2) She needs to be out doing the very small venue circuit and get the experience she needs before beginning to think she can be on the stage with more seasoned and serious musicians

3) If she has no intention to truly learn and play the guitar then she should just focus in getting vocal training to improve her voice

4) She needs to learn how to actually maintain a presence of the audience properly rather than giving an immature approach of running across the stage to just get attention with no purpose

5) She must find her own originality rather than badly attempting to just copy what Prince does and think that makes her look like she knows what she is doing; and any music/lyrics which are actually done by Prince should be specified

6) She is not ready for prime time and I honestly do not believe she is serious about music

7) Prince must immediately cease all contact with her and let her make it on her own without audiences being forced to hear a person who appears to obviously not be serious about music and only trying to use him to obtain credibility but cannot perform. And he must stop giving or allowing her to give a poor impression of a 54 year old man being interested in a 20 something year old child. Even in joking it is not cool to give that impression about someone who is young enough to be his granddaughter.

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i think i love u. he's embarassing himself.

i had to add to address andy's 'talent'. PRINCE is talented. Andy can carry a tune sometimes and maybe play a few chords. she's adorable, and its not like that doesn't go a long way.... but let's not confuse that with actual talent.

[Edited 9/29/12 20:39pm]

3121TV said:

INTERVENTION/CONCERT REVIEW

I feel I have to finally break my online silence and state an intervention must be called for this sad situation of a person who is pretending to be a musician yet obviously holding onto the coattails of Prince. It is apparent even more after the Prince Chicago concerts this low quality singing and non-guitar playing person needs to stop thinking she can get on a seasoned artists stage and think people will not see her charade.

I do not understand how a person who is obviously not a strong singer and appears to not be serious about truly playing the guitar - should in any way be on the stage with an artist of Prince's caliber. There are so many true musicians who take their art seriously who have the talent and are struggling and praying for an opportunity. Yet it appears this person is taking for granted the opportunity for which she has not paid her dues. And at the Monday Chicago Afterjam it was even more apparent when one of the more seasoned guitar players was playing the same exact guitar line she was suppose to be playing.

At each of his shows in Chicago when this non-musician was given the opportunity to perform the excitement and momentum Prince had going suddenly was gone. People sat down and it was if the air left the room. The audience was merely looking to Prince to please stop the train wreck they were watching on the stage and for him to take back his stage from Amateur Night at the Allo.

I know Prince is a loving, spiritual man who wants to help people. And yes we all should help people when we can. However, there are some people who will take advantage of someone's kindness. That was apparent when Allo did a very low move in my opinion by suddenly calling the NPG HER band. At that point it was apparent she not only thought she could hang on to Prince's coattails but actually now was delusional enough to think she was at his seniority and musical level. That is when it became apparent the silence must end.

RECOMMENDATIONS

1) Immediately cease having her perform with Prince period

2) She needs to be out doing the very small venue circuit and get the experience she needs before beginning to think she can be on the stage with more seasoned and serious musicians

3) If she has no intention to truly learn and play the guitar then she should just focus in getting vocal training to improve her voice

4) She needs to learn how to actually maintain a presence of the audience properly rather than giving an immature approach of running across the stage to just get attention with no purpose

5) She must find her own originality rather than badly attempting to just copy what Prince does and think that makes her look like she knows what she is doing; and any music/lyrics which are actually done by Prince should be specified

6) She is not ready for prime time and I honestly do not believe she is serious about music

7) Prince must immediately cease all contact with her and let her make it on her own without audiences being forced to hear a person who appears to obviously not be serious about music and only trying to use him to obtain credibility but cannot perform. And he must stop giving or allowing her to give a poor impression of a 54 year old man being interested in a 20 something year old child. Even in joking it is not cool to give that impression about someone who is young enough to be his granddaughter.

3121.TV

The Funk & Nothing But the Funk

Let me first say that I absolutely LOVE this post. To the bolded points, I just want to add that you are so right about the air being sucked out of the room when Andy performed. On Tuesday, I was standing all through the UC show to the point that the woman next to me asked me not to block her diagonal view because she and her husband didn't want to stand (that story is for another thread ), but needless to say, I made it a point to stand every minute and dance the whole night. When Andy started up with People Pleaser, I tried to keep standing just to spite my neighbor. But alas, even that motivation wasn't enough for me to stand through Andy's performance.

Now to your point about Prince being loving and spiritual with his only motive being to help people. I don't agree with you here. I think Prince has his own reasons for promoting Andy and they are all but loving and spiritual. He simply wants a "hot thang, barely 21" at his disposal and he's dangling the carrot of fame just like she's dangling the carrot of her young ___ (you fill in the blank). I think he said it best in RNR Affair:

She wanted to see her name appear on the big screen
He just wanted to hear her scream his name
Can you scream my name? Do you know what I mean?

And to the last bolded part of your post, I couldn't agree with you more. On Tuesday's performance of Little Red Corvette, when Prince went into the, "Let me talk about your body baby," and looked at Andy as he proceeded to declare the lyrics, "A body like your ought to be in jail..." my stomach literally turned. There was something terribly pedafilic about that moment.

3121TV said:

airbak said:

Okay, before people rip my head off, I think Andy Allo is a beautiful girl who seems funny and alluring. I can see why Prince admitted to having "a crush on that girl." I bought her first CD and for what it was, I thought it was pretty decent. Her original CD featured a more stripped down sound of her voice with the acoustic guitar and R&B style jams that were simple. I also think she writes some good lyrics. However, after seeing her performances during the WTC shows and hearing Superconductor, I really don't like her folded into the Prince "funk batter." Some of the songs on Superconductor are cool, but overall, I don't think she fits in this zone. She is still a young artist and though she's receiving first-rate training from the master, performing with Prince and the NPG band highlights and underscores her musical immaturity. It also showcases that she's just not a funk diva, which is okay. I think if she does her instead of allowing Prince to mold her into a younger Sheila E., she'll be cool. What do you guys think?

INTERVENTION/CONCERT REVIEW

I feel I have to finally break my online silence and state an intervention must be called for this sad situation of a person who is pretending to be a musician yet obviously holding onto the coattails of Prince. It is apparent even more after the Prince Chicago concerts this low quality singing and non-guitar playing person needs to stop thinking she can get on a seasoned artists stage and think people will not see her charade.

I do not understand how a person who is obviously not a strong singer and appears to not be serious about truly playing the guitar - should in any way be on the stage with an artist of Prince's caliber. There are so many true musicians who take their art seriously who have the talent and are struggling and praying for an opportunity. Yet it appears this person is taking for granted the opportunity for which she has not paid her dues. And at the Monday Chicago Afterjam it was even more apparent when one of the more seasoned guitar players was playing the same exact guitar line she was suppose to be playing.

At each of his shows in Chicago when this non-musician was given the opportunity to perform the excitement and momentum Prince had going suddenly was gone. People sat down and it was if the air left the room. The audience was merely looking to Prince to please stop the train wreck they were watching on the stage and for him to take back his stage from Amateur Night at the Allo.

I know Prince is a loving, spiritual man who wants to help people. And yes we all should help people when we can. However, there are some people who will take advantage of someone's kindness. That was apparent when Allo did a very low move in my opinion by suddenly calling the NPG HER band. At that point it was apparent she not only thought she could hang on to Prince's coattails but actually now was delusional enough to think she was at his seniority and musical level. That is when it became apparent the silence must end.

RECOMMENDATIONS

1) Immediately cease having her perform with Prince period

2) She needs to be out doing the very small venue circuit and get the experience she needs before beginning to think she can be on the stage with more seasoned and serious musicians

3) If she has no intention to truly learn and play the guitar then she should just focus in getting vocal training to improve her voice

4) She needs to learn how to actually maintain a presence of the audience properly rather than giving an immature approach of running across the stage to just get attention with no purpose

5) She must find her own originality rather than badly attempting to just copy what Prince does and think that makes her look like she knows what she is doing; and any music/lyrics which are actually done by Prince should be specified

6) She is not ready for prime time and I honestly do not believe she is serious about music

7) Prince must immediately cease all contact with her and let her make it on her own without audiences being forced to hear a person who appears to obviously not be serious about music and only trying to use him to obtain credibility but cannot perform. And he must stop giving or allowing her to give a poor impression of a 54 year old man being interested in a 20 something year old child. Even in joking it is not cool to give that impression about someone who is young enough to be his granddaughter.

3121.TV

The Funk & Nothing But the Funk

I agree with 90% of your post, except for the bolded parts:

Prince may be a "loving, spiritual man," I don't really know, but I DO know something about people, and having had a "relationship" with a man 20 yrs my senior when I was 22, my perspective is that he's NOT just doing this out of kindness and mentoring, and that she's not "taking advantage" of him by calling the NPG her band - it's a mutually beneficial relationship where he's willingly letting her have his band, his songs, his financial backing, his stage, etc. and she's willingly letting him have sex and perhaps a "girlfriend experience."

I also disagree with any "Prince must" statements. Who am I or you to say what he MUST do. Maybe he's happy, having fun. Who cares.

Side note: I looked up your profile b/c I recoginized your org name, though you are not a regular poster. You posted basically the same thing about Misty Copeland about 1-1/2 yrs ago, that she's riding on his coattails, using him, putting on airs, etc. (I've been a lurker here for a long while). I remember this because I am quite a ballet buff (Yeah for Team Ballet on SYTYCD, btw!). I knew of Misty before Prince showcased her, and I heartily disagreed with your assessment of her, as did many orgers on that Misty thread. Misty is a self-accomplished, highly-regarded, motivated and disciplined exemplar in her artistic field. I recently saw her in "The Firebird," which was an uneven performance overall, except for Misty's pas de deux, which received a spontaneous standing ovation. Everything the orger Ottensen posted in that thread was factual and on point about Misty, as well as other orgers who came to her defense. But your assessment of Allo, though not original, happens to be more accurate.

Like MikeA, I find it amusing that people can think he hasn't boinked Allow. To those who think Prince hasn't gotten the goods from Allo, because she's just playing him because he's too old --

1) from my own personal experience, a girl in her early 20s ain't sophisticated enough to be able to play an older "alpha" male type, to string him along like that, get his $ etc but not put out. By "alpha," I mean a high status guy. Yes, I have seen some middle-manager office dude or UPS driver who spends lots of money on a young thing, to the point of breaking his wallet, and the girl doesn't put out. He's a schmuck. But "alphas" don't/won't get jerked around like that, and it's not explicitly stated, it's just understood. A 22-yr-old girl sees that this guy jets around, eats at the fanciest places, lives in a mansion, is surrounded by beautiful people... he ain't sticking around if she has nothing to offer. And you know that the best or most unique thing you have to offer a wordly older man like that is your young nubile tight body, not your intelligence, talent, witticism, urbanity, etc. (not because you don't have those things too, but just because he gets these from so many other more mature people in his impressive world).

2) he may become pathetic like the old dude who married Anna Nicole Smith, in fact I sadly admit I think he's headed in that direction, but he's not in a wheelchair with a saggy wrinkly butt quite yet! So you think Allo is stringing him along but not sleeping with him because he's too old, but look at this, it's not repulsive ('tho I am not sexually attracted to him) -

Your point was made, not missed. No need to reiterate. I was validating what you said.

Also, I wanted to add... I don't get how Prince doesn't feel ashamed or embarassed for openly expressing his desire and crush on a young girl like Andy. It seems a bit uncomfortable put in perspective.

PurpleChi said:

GoldenParachute said:

It's not that Andy isn't talented, because she is. It's that she is working with a mega superstar like Prince and an energy of a band that is light years ahead of her abilities as an entertainer. Not just musically, but charismatically.

You are on the money about it highlighting her musical immaturity. She would have been better suited with a Sade style then a funk diva.

I get what you're saying about Andy being talented. But the point I was making in my post is that my sister knew nothing of Andy's first album and was seeing her perform for the first time at the Welcome 2 Chicago shows. She's not able to gauge the fact that Andy may have some talent outside of Prince's influence. All she saw was a woman flopping around to music that she clearly wasn't comfortable with, so her assessment was that Andy is just not talented. My sister even said that Andy couldn't sing. Now, I know Andy sounds better than that because I've heard her perform her own music and her thin voice sounds sweet over those simple tunes. However, paired with a full-on funk band, her voice sounds strained--like it's trying to keep up.

That's the danger of Andy working with Prince. Yes, he can give her exposure, but if she is not singing the right music for her particular talent, all of that exposure will only leave more people with a bad taste in their mouths. Remember, first impressions are the most important. People who felt like my sister (which were many of the people in my section) won't buy this album or anything else from Andy.

[Edited 9/29/12 23:56pm]

artist76 said:

airbak said:

PurpleChi said:

3121TV said:

INTERVENTION/CONCERT REVIEW

I feel I have to finally break my online silence and state an intervention must be called for this sad situation of a person who is pretending to be a musician yet obviously holding onto the coattails of Prince. It is apparent even more after the Prince Chicago concerts this low quality singing and non-guitar playing person needs to stop thinking she can get on a seasoned artists stage and think people will not see her charade.

I do not understand how a person who is obviously not a strong singer and appears to not be serious about truly playing the guitar - should in any way be on the stage with an artist of Prince's caliber. There are so many true musicians who take their art seriously who have the talent and are struggling and praying for an opportunity. Yet it appears this person is taking for granted the opportunity for which she has not paid her dues. And at the Monday Chicago Afterjam it was even more apparent when one of the more seasoned guitar players was playing the same exact guitar line she was suppose to be playing.

At each of his shows in Chicago when this non-musician was given the opportunity to perform the excitement and momentum Prince had going suddenly was gone. People sat down and it was if the air left the room. The audience was merely looking to Prince to please stop the train wreck they were watching on the stage and for him to take back his stage from Amateur Night at the Allo.

I know Prince is a loving, spiritual man who wants to help people. And yes we all should help people when we can. However, there are some people who will take advantage of someone's kindness. That was apparent when Allo did a very low move in my opinion by suddenly calling the NPG HER band. At that point it was apparent she not only thought she could hang on to Prince's coattails but actually now was delusional enough to think she was at his seniority and musical level. That is when it became apparent the silence must end.

RECOMMENDATIONS

1) Immediately cease having her perform with Prince period

2) She needs to be out doing the very small venue circuit and get the experience she needs before beginning to think she can be on the stage with more seasoned and serious musicians

3) If she has no intention to truly learn and play the guitar then she should just focus in getting vocal training to improve her voice

4) She needs to learn how to actually maintain a presence of the audience properly rather than giving an immature approach of running across the stage to just get attention with no purpose

5) She must find her own originality rather than badly attempting to just copy what Prince does and think that makes her look like she knows what she is doing; and any music/lyrics which are actually done by Prince should be specified

6) She is not ready for prime time and I honestly do not believe she is serious about music

7) Prince must immediately cease all contact with her and let her make it on her own without audiences being forced to hear a person who appears to obviously not be serious about music and only trying to use him to obtain credibility but cannot perform. And he must stop giving or allowing her to give a poor impression of a 54 year old man being interested in a 20 something year old child. Even in joking it is not cool to give that impression about someone who is young enough to be his granddaughter.

3121.TV

The Funk & Nothing But the Funk

Let me first say that I absolutely LOVE this post. To the bolded points, I just want to add that you are so right about the air being sucked out of the room when Andy performed. On Tuesday, I was standing all through the UC show to the point that the woman next to me asked me not to block her diagonal view because she and her husband didn't want to stand (that story is for another thread ), but needless to say, I made it a point to stand every minute and dance the whole night. When Andy started up with People Pleaser, I tried to keep standing just to spite my neighbor. But alas, even that motivation wasn't enough for me to stand through Andy's performance.

Now to your point about Prince being loving and spiritual with his only motive being to help people. I don't agree with you here. I think Prince has his own reasons for promoting Andy and they are all but loving and spiritual. He simply wants a "hot thang, barely 21" at his disposal and he's dangling the carrot of fame just like she's dangling the carrot of her young ___ (you fill in the blank). I think he said it best in RNR Affair:

She wanted to see her name appear on the big screen
He just wanted to hear her scream his name
Can you scream my name? Do you know what I mean?

And to the last bolded part of your post, I couldn't agree with you more. On Tuesday's performance of Little Red Corvette, when Prince went into the, "Let me talk about your body baby," and looked at Andy as he proceeded to declare the lyrics, "A body like your ought to be in jail..." my stomach literally turned. There was something terribly pedafilic about that moment.

very good points..

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Side notes:

I think they are married, because Prince makes it publicly known that he

is one of JW and I know he wouldn't be lusting /flirting after a woman and talking

about their body, body parts or what they would do in bed, if they were not

husband&wife.

I think there's more to the story and

they are being hush hush about the whole situation.

Don't break P, it''s not worth it,nope not at all.

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funny you say you felt that 'there was something terribly pedafilic about the moment'

Back in the day, Prince3 sometimes had 'RKellish' ways, he scoped out young

girls and waited until they are fully cooked before he takes a bite. ex. Mayte..

at least P tries to wait. R Kelly was straight out stupid, he rather have the cookie dough

and have his reputation slaughterd in the media.

I'm glad Prince didn't go that route, he's now

too old to wait,.now he just looks for the best 'cookie' on the platter.

He doesn't need anymore 'Andys'

in his life,he looks silly hanging around young girls all the time.:

+ =

People should stop looking for just beauty because soon that

Beauty will too fade away.

Inner beauty shines much longer and gets better in time......

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"You've been right there for me, through thick and the thin

You were the strength for me, you wouldn't let me give in

At the end of the road, somehow I've always known

That your trust in me, your love in me, got me to believe in me"-Jon B
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my now back2topic

Oh my, the madness won't stop..

Ben Vereen is dating Bobbi Kristina!!!!!!...

(false alarm: seehowsillythatsounds)

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3121TV said:

airbak said:

Okay, before people rip my head off, I think Andy Allo is a beautiful girl who seems funny and alluring. I can see why Prince admitted to having "a crush on that girl." I bought her first CD and for what it was, I thought it was pretty decent. Her original CD featured a more stripped down sound of her voice with the acoustic guitar and R&B style jams that were simple. I also think she writes some good lyrics. However, after seeing her performances during the WTC shows and hearing Superconductor, I really don't like her folded into the Prince "funk batter." Some of the songs on Superconductor are cool, but overall, I don't think she fits in this zone. She is still a young artist and though she's receiving first-rate training from the master, performing with Prince and the NPG band highlights and underscores her musical immaturity. It also showcases that she's just not a funk diva, which is okay. I think if she does her instead of allowing Prince to mold her into a younger Sheila E., she'll be cool. What do you guys think?

INTERVENTION/CONCERT REVIEW

I feel I have to finally break my online silence and state an intervention must be called for this sad situation of a person who is pretending to be a musician yet obviously holding onto the coattails of Prince. It is apparent even more after the Prince Chicago concerts this low quality singing and non-guitar playing person needs to stop thinking she can get on a seasoned artists stage and think people will not see her charade.

I do not understand how a person who is obviously not a strong singer and appears to not be serious about truly playing the guitar - should in any way be on the stage with an artist of Prince's caliber. There are so many true musicians who take their art seriously who have the talent and are struggling and praying for an opportunity. Yet it appears this person is taking for granted the opportunity for which she has not paid her dues. And at the Monday Chicago Afterjam it was even more apparent when one of the more seasoned guitar players was playing the same exact guitar line she was suppose to be playing.

At each of his shows in Chicago when this non-musician was given the opportunity to perform the excitement and momentum Prince had going suddenly was gone. People sat down and it was if the air left the room. The audience was merely looking to Prince to please stop the train wreck they were watching on the stage and for him to take back his stage from Amateur Night at the Allo.

I know Prince is a loving, spiritual man who wants to help people. And yes we all should help people when we can. However, there are some people who will take advantage of someone's kindness. That was apparent when Allo did a very low move in my opinion by suddenly calling the NPG HER band. At that point it was apparent she not only thought she could hang on to Prince's coattails but actually now was delusional enough to think she was at his seniority and musical level. That is when it became apparent the silence must end.

RECOMMENDATIONS

1) Immediately cease having her perform with Prince period

2) She needs to be out doing the very small venue circuit and get the experience she needs before beginning to think she can be on the stage with more seasoned and serious musicians

3) If she has no intention to truly learn and play the guitar then she should just focus in getting vocal training to improve her voice

4) She needs to learn how to actually maintain a presence of the audience properly rather than giving an immature approach of running across the stage to just get attention with no purpose

5) She must find her own originality rather than badly attempting to just copy what Prince does and think that makes her look like she knows what she is doing; and any music/lyrics which are actually done by Prince should be specified

6) She is not ready for prime time and I honestly do not believe she is serious about music

7) Prince must immediately cease all contact with her and let her make it on her own without audiences being forced to hear a person who appears to obviously not be serious about music and only trying to use him to obtain credibility but cannot perform. And he must stop giving or allowing her to give a poor impression of a 54 year old man being interested in a 20 something year old child. Even in joking it is not cool to give that impression about someone who is young enough to be his granddaughter.

3121.TV

The Funk & Nothing But the Funk

I totally agree with you! I play guitar myself but I would not feel comfortable joining Prince and the NPG. However, if I did, I would definitely learn/grow as an musician with so much talent around me. Andy is an actor and I just think she's acting the part of a Prince's protegee. I cannot believe in a year's time of being with Prince that we haven't seen one guitar solo from her! It would not be difficult for her to learn and practice at least one solo to wow the crowd. Instead, she is content to strum the guitar like a 3-year old. She's just not serious about music. Another point is her vocals. Why did Shelby J have to help her sing Take Me With You on Monday night with Prince? It's a duet, not a trio. During Weds. night's concert, while Ledisi was singing Glamorous Life, she put the mic to Andy so that she could sing. Andy just laughed and waved her off so Ledisi kept on singing. Andy KNOWS that she's out of her element and we KNOW it too.

wish people would stop picking on Andy here. She is not going away anytime soon. Its obvious that Prince adores her. He is pulling out all stops for her new album. Plus she is the one encouraging Prince to revisit his vault & each "MasterPiece" he picks gets better & better. Maybe he will redo "The Grand Progression" next.

He obviously visits this site. He corrected everything in his second Sept 25th show that everybody on here been complaining about. He seems to be having the time of his life with Andy. I'm just glad he found a woman he is happy with. She is not as boring as the others & not afraid to try something new. That takes guts to step on stage with a genius like Prince & play the guitar with him. People need to stop picking her apart. Prince is obviously trying to find the next Beyonce. I can tell every since he christened Tamar & dipped her in honey. He has been non stop since.

peri1025 said:

Like I said the proof is in the pudding. From the vids and pics I've seen it seems mutual. It's just taboo because she's 24 and he's 54. I know someone who went to high school with her in sac...so that's how I know her exact age (Sidenote). If she makes him happy more power to them.

24 & 54 is not taboo anymore, especially in Hollywood or with aging rock musicians.

If you look at photos of Sheila E., Cat, Mayte, Bria and many of the other protegees looking at Prince, his gazes with Andy just don't come close. Andy's seem fake. Again, this is my opinion. Prince is pretty transparent when it comes to his love life, musically. When he is in love or "smackin," we get some pretty sultry love songs and he seems to be prolific musically; writing songs and putting out CDs. Andy has been around a year, and we get R N R? Her songs are not sultry either. With Bria, we got "Here I Come," "Elixir," "Something You Already Know," and "Future Baby Mama." I also saw several photos of him out and about with Bria. With Andy, other than staged photos or performance shots, I haven't seen any photos of them hanging out, holding hands or being lovey dovey. I know they hang, but it doesn't seem like in a gf/bf capacity. Back in L.A. with Sheila, I saw a photo of she and P riding bikes together. I saw photos of him out holding hands with Misty and anyone who saw his performance of "The Beautiful Ones" with Misty knows he had tons of swag like a man who was singing to his woman. Again, I just don't see any of this with him and Andy. Add to this the fact that she goes out of her way to let anyone who asks that they are not dating instead of just being coy, makes me believe this further. Again, you don't admit to having a crush on someone that you are indeed "crushing." I think Prince likes having her around because she is young and cute. Spending money to keep her around as one of the band members isn't a big deal for him if he enjoys her company or is still working on her. For all we know, he could have her firmly in place while he's working on someone else. Damaris could be his side piece for all we know. She's young and cute as well and appears to not have any talent other than print modeling (dancing and hosting? NOPE!). We don't really know, so again, this is my opinion.

artist76 said:

OK, I went and found the post saying Allo's just stringing him along. ^^ Again, Prince isn't an "average" guy, he's an alpha. He's got people flashing smiles, laughing at his jokes, complimenting him and stroking his ego all the time. Alphas are surrounded by "yes" men and women. So while a smile and a laugh might be amazing and suffice for an average guy, in my experience a girl has to say "yes" to a lot more to get an alpha to keep favoring her.

Alpha or not, Prince is a man. Many have had a woman that they were crazy about and just had to have. I think she reminds him of Esperanza (the one he really wanted since she is a true musican). Nothing happened with Esperanza (that we know about) and now he's on the Andy tip; trying to make a knockoff version of Esperanza. Prince has such an ego, the fact that Andy's not feeling him like that probably makes him pursue her more so. While he's waiting for her to come around, he's stuck her in the band to keep an eye on her and probably has someone else on the side. However, I think like other men, he will get tired of chasing her and move on to somebody else. Right now, he has a serious crush on her so he's using the CD and the tour as a way to keep her around. It'll be interesting to see what happens after both are finished because we know her CD if it's ever released isn't going to go plastic. If there's no tour and no romance, there's really no reason for the Andy chapter to continue. Time will tell.

I think you all need to make this into a Book!

Mack Daddy P!

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airbak said:

artist76 said:

Alpha or not, Prince is a man. Many have had a woman that they were crazy about and just had to have. I think she reminds him of Esperanza (the one he really wanted since she is a true musican). Nothing happened with Esperanza (that we know about) and now he's on the Andy tip; trying to make a knockoff version of Esperanza. Prince has such an ego, the fact that Andy's not feeling him like that probably makes him pursue her more so. While he's waiting for her to come around, he's stuck her in the band to keep an eye on her and probably has someone else on the side. However, I think like other men, he will get tired of chasing her and move on to somebody else. Right now, he has a serious crush on her so he's using the CD and the tour as a way to keep her around. It'll be interesting to see what happens after both are finished because we know her CD if it's ever released isn't going to go plastic. If there's no tour and no romance, there's really no reason for the Andy chapter to continue. Time will tell.

OK, airbak, You think they have not been physical, I and others believe that isn't possible. Nobody has proof what their relationship is like, so we all just have random opinions, and we can agree to disagree. It's cool, and it's not that serious.

Musically, I'm not impressed, not even with her pre-P stuff, although that was more authentic. But this project makes him happy, so whatever.

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

peri1025 said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

The lovebirds

That's a cute pic of them. You cant deny that they'd make a cute couple. I thini they're being hush hush because of the age gap. While Sheila and him were together they maintained the friendship talk. While they haven't been seen out and about there are a lot of pics that Andy posts where she is around paisley park memorabilia and in Princely poses. I think there's clearly something going on. I also thought he was with Damaris but I dont see that chmistry with them. I agree that he's smitten by Andy and he seems a lot happier with her. U hardly ever saw him smile or be so free wuth Bria or Mani.

They don't make a cute couple to me. The look like father and daughter. I just don't find incest or the thought of it cute. Sheila and P maintained the friendship talk but it was obvious that there was more between them. I don't see it with Prince and Andy. I see an old man chasing a young girl. I've seen it all before. Look, Prince had his day. He is still a good looking older man, but his days of having his pick of hot young things are over. His litter is about 35 and up with some exceptions. Everyone has his/her day in the sun. However, the sun does not shine forever. It sets folks.

At the end of the day, I really don't care what is going on with Prince and Andy. I just don't like seeing him look like an old fool talking about having a crush on a 23-year-old girl. When they sang "Take Me With U," I commented that the song was older than her. He was older than she is now when he wrote it. Crazy.

I agree with all the comments about Andy's role as a musician. She needs to star in a different movie because this one isn't a good fit. One good thing is that she can look back on this in five years and talk about "back in the day" when she toured with Prince. The crazy thing about that is she is so young that in five years she won't even be 30. Prince, on the other hand, will almost be 60.

Oh, I have to add that I thought he was his most free and content with Mani, especially after the phase he went through with Mayte. If you look at his photos and performances around that time with Mani as well as their interaction when they were out, they seemed very much free and in love. I wasn't crazy about Manuela, but I always thought she was good for him. His aura was different then. Look at the photos in the Hawaii book, his interviews during that time, his performances during One Nite Alone and Musicology. He was content.

The first time I saw him with Bria before anyone on here knew who she was, I knew he was dating her by the way they interacted. I never posted about him being with her because it was on the hush. However, he seemed to be in full mack mode with her. He seemed happy, too. Months later when it was made known that she was his girlfriend, that was old news to me. The Andy stuff is so contrived that I just can't go there. None of us knows him so it could all be an act. For all we know he's been secretly dating Susan Moonsie all this time. It's fun to talk about, but when all is said and done, these are just our opinions.

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artist76 said:

airbak said:

OK, airbak, You think they have not been physical, I and others believe that isn't possible. Nobody has proof what their relationship is like, so we all just have random opinions, and we can agree to disagree. It's cool, and it's not that serious.

Musically, I'm not impressed, not even with her pre-P stuff, although that was more authentic. But this project makes him happy, so whatever.

I agree. It was never that serious to me. I just hate when people automatically assume that he always has to be sleeping with any and every woman who is around him. So I made the argument for why I didn't think so. At the end of the day, only the two of them know for sure and I really don't care who Prince sleeps with. I just care that he's shoving Andy down our throats when Shelby, Liv and Elisa are far more talented, do the heavy vocal lifting while Andy looks cute and they can't get a CD out of him. Didn't someone say Liv was on Kickstarter or one of these sites taking donations for money to help her finish her CD?

lol, you all have to relax. I know I was amongst the first to start with this gossip, but that's cause i was also amongst the first that have experienced her or both on stage a while back, so I knew what I was talking about.

The reality is that AA and P got married a while back. The rumour is that he did so cause he is a JW and she's so young. I don't care who he marries but I care what inspires him, and what I get served with in terms of music, and I don't like the current lame stuff like "when stars collide" in lyrics, compared to his earlier masterpieces.

AA is currently the only sane person that P is having around. I imagine he must have been very lonely to fall for someone that is free, young and relatively normal. He's totally smitten with her, and wants to make her happy, which is nice. It is also a benefit cause we do get all the normal things such as free music etc...the negative side is the AA promo...bla bla..