prodigalfan said:

paintedlady said:

2elijah said:

I thought her mama was going to whip the matchmaker's ass, because she commented on the animals. Did you see the expression on her mama's face when she gave the matchmaker "The look?''

Mayte's mom gonna put a cucumber in the freezer for that matchmaker... hacer un brujo

[Edited 6/29/12 19:25pm]

prodigalfan said:

lauralevesque said:

It was so funny, the guy staying over, when I told him about the ghost was like, "Pishaw, I'm not scared of no ghost and don't believe in em anyway! bring it on!"

Dude was laid out in the back seat of his car next morning- hahaha

I would be in that car in the dead of winter. I don't play when it comes to that mess.

Also when I go to funerals, I say a little "prayer" telling the recently departed;

Don't come visiting me. I can't take that shit .

Yes, I am not the one for the spooky shit! Leave that alone! Don't want none of it!

Genesia said:

prodigalfan said:

And that is it in a nutshell. Many of us have had parts of life's tragedy happen to us. Divorce, or loss of career and self identity, betrayal of loved ones or loss of a child.

But Mayte had all of this happened to her at once.

I keep hearing that Mani was Mayte's assistant before Prince hooked up with her. So the way Prince kept away from family I would imagine Mani and Mayte probably got pretty tight because for Mayte, there was no one else her age that she could socialize with.

Then Mani hooks up with her husband. It was probably like Mayte's best friend and confidant betraying her with her husband. ULTIMATE betrayal.

And now that Prince is older and to me he seems more grounded; I imagine he does regret how things went down between him and Mayte especially seeing how she can't move on and is basically whithering away on the vine.

But what can he do about it now? Too much time and things have happened for them to ever work together to fix it.

I hope this show leads to Mayte healing. And PTSD is probably close to what she went through.

And I do think Genesia is correct. To have your first EVERYTHING to be a man like Prince.... it is a pretty hard act to follow. And things can only go down hill.

Imagine being 16 and inexperienced and the cute guy who is blowing your head with sunshine is PRINCE!!

Imagine being 26 and a divorcee and buried 1 (maybe 2) children.

So sad.

And I can't help but feel badly of the pimpette in this triangle. Mani is tough. She is going to get hers. She just moved on from that train wreck pretty much unscathed.

The other person (besides Mani) for whom I can't feel any affection is Mayte's mom. That woman, whose primary job should have been to protect her child, exploited her from an early age, and then waved her under the nose of a grownass man who exploited her baby even worse. And now, she's basically sponging off of Mayte. She should hang her head in shame.

right!

lauralevesque said:

Okay watched the clip- Too crazy that she bought a house KNOWING there was a murder / suicide there. And she doesn't seem too scared of the ghost. Now I don't feel so crazy, I just moved out of a house with a ghost. He used to come out of the closet (in empty guest bedroom) at about 3 a.m every morning, walk around the house, then just go back in. It was crazy, you would just hear the closet doors opening/ him walking around/ and then he would return and shut the doors. People staying over would hear it and shit ten bricks. One friend even went and spent the rest of the night in his car!

Probably was cheaper than other houses in the area, that's why.

As to everyone saying, why is she living in that cramped house (i.e., "Prince is cheap"), I don't see any reason why he has to subsidize her living post-divorce. The other women in the show are getting child support - I think that's what Mayte means when she says life didn't change as drastically for the other ladies as it did for her. Child support aims to keep the child comfortable in both parents' homes. Prince and Mayte have no children, so there's not requirement that he finance her home or anything. I'm sure she got a good chunk of money, and then there was that mansion in Marbella, Spain worth millions, that she sold.

Yes, it's sad to think she had that mansion in Marbella and the one in MN (I think she said she didn't know how many rooms it had, it was so big), and now it's not like that, but them's the breaks. I don't think that's P's fault.

Genesia said:

prodigalfan said:

It is almost like mayte formed her self identity around the npg era and can't find her way now that is over. Counseling. And I bet losing the china AND mani would be the first goals. Neither can be healthy. It would be ok if mayte was well adjusted to what happened but she is not She is struggling.

That is exactly what happened. She joined the NPG when she was still a child. And from that moment on, her identity was completely bound to that of Prince and to her role in the group. Prince made it that way. He controlled her life from pillar to post - what she wore, how she looked, how she spoke, who she loved (him and only him). It's only natural that something is now and forever missing in her life.

(I edited down your posts because they were both kinda big to quote in full).

So true. She says in the Mayte Profile "Totally Normal, Not Weird" on VH1 that after the divorce, she literally stood in the middle of NYC in complete shock. She didn't know what to do. She said she felt like an 18 yr old being on your own for the first time. She went straight from her parents' house to her husband's house. She said that was her whole world from age 16, and now what? She became a hermit because she was afraid to go outside alone and do things alone.

And add to that the loss of babies. I really feel for her.

Genesia said:

The other person (besides Mani) for whom I can't feel any affection is Mayte's mom. That woman, whose primary job should have been to protect her child, exploited her from an early age, and then waved her under the nose of a grownass man who exploited her baby even worse. And now, she's basically sponging off of Mayte. She should hang her head in shame.

Waved her under his nose?! I imagine him a hungry dog and she's a tender piece of steak, the mom going "come and get it!"

But I agree it's weird, as a mom myself. Someone compared Mayte & P to Elivs & Priscilla, but I think Priscilla's parents were NOT happy and tried to prevent her from getting with him. But she did run off with him and marry him, so in the end, it just shows that short of tying up your teenaged child, you really can't prevent them from doing anything if they set their minds to it. So maybe Mayte's parents wanted to her get a job with Prince, but did worry about and try to prevent the other stuff? Who knows?

A better comparison than Elvis & Priscilla might be "An Education" (was a true story memoir, then a movie), in which the parents of the young girl were also enamored with the older man and encouraged her relationship with him; fooling themselves into thinking that the weekend trip to Oxford and the trip to Paris were platonic. It seems like Mayte's parents were also fans, so I could see a scenario like in "An Education."

artist76 said:

Genesia said:

That is exactly what happened. She joined the NPG when she was still a child. And from that moment on, her identity was completely bound to that of Prince and to her role in the group. Prince made it that way. He controlled her life from pillar to post - what she wore, how she looked, how she spoke, who she loved (him and only him). It's only natural that something is now and forever missing in her life.

(I edited down your posts because they were both kinda big to quote in full).

So true. She says in the Mayte Profile "Totally Normal, Not Weird" on VH1 that after the divorce, she literally stood in the middle of NYC in complete shock. She didn't know what to do. She said she felt like an 18 yr old being on your own for the first time. She went straight from her parents' house to her husband's house. She said that was her whole world from age 16, and now what? She became a hermit because she was afraid to go outside alone and do things alone.

And add to that the loss of babies. I really feel for her.

When I read that, it reminded me of the story that came out about Mayte and Prince fighting at a club in NYC and Prince showing up and a fight started between them.

That was probably the last straw for their marriage.

psychodelicide said:

BklynDiamond said:

The other thing I noted and hoped someone here could help with it.....Mayte said she lost two babies. We know about what I assume is the first, did she get pregnant a second time by Prince? Was it a miscarriage?

I was wondering the exact same thing after watching the show. I'm not sure if the second baby was with Prince, or it was with Tommy Lee. Sad that neither pregnancy worked out for her. I don't think you ever, truly get over the loss of a child. I think you kind of learn to accept it, and to move on with your life, as best as you can. But that would be a very, very difficult thing to do.

We wondered that too. The first was Princes for sure.. but not sure about the 2nd one. Poor mayte.. such a rough thing to go through..

artist76 said:

lauralevesque said:

Okay watched the clip- Too crazy that she bought a house KNOWING there was a murder / suicide there. And she doesn't seem too scared of the ghost. Now I don't feel so crazy, I just moved out of a house with a ghost. He used to come out of the closet (in empty guest bedroom) at about 3 a.m every morning, walk around the house, then just go back in. It was crazy, you would just hear the closet doors opening/ him walking around/ and then he would return and shut the doors. People staying over would hear it and shit ten bricks. One friend even went and spent the rest of the night in his car!

Probably was cheaper than other houses in the area, that's why.

As to everyone saying, why is she living in that cramped house (i.e., "Prince is cheap"), I don't see any reason why he has to subsidize her living post-divorce. The other women in the show are getting child support - I think that's what Mayte means when she says life didn't change as drastically for the other ladies as it did for her. Child support aims to keep the child comfortable in both parents' homes. Prince and Mayte have no children, so there's not requirement that he finance her home or anything. I'm sure she got a good chunk of money, and then there was that mansion in Marbella, Spain worth millions, that she sold.

Yes, it's sad to think she had that mansion in Marbella and the one in MN (I think she said she didn't know how many rooms it had, it was so big), and now it's not like that, but them's the breaks. I don't think that's P's fault.

I honestly think Mayte would rather live in a small comfortable house and use more of her money to help the animals and the charities she helps out.. She is probably happy where she is..

Just another point about that "strange" match maker.. some of you commented about all Maytes critters in the house.. Honestly So what?? As long as they are well taken care of.. and I am SURE Mayte takes super good care of them..

And really IF she meets a guy that she loves and he LOVES her.. he will UNDERSTAND her love for animals... and he will except her for who she is!

A few years back we had 2 foster cats, 5 cats of our own, a bunny, 6 birds and 2 large Labradors.. When we put out house up for sale and told the agent all the pets we had she was like "OMG, that house is gonna be a wreck" but when her & 3 agents came to check it out to list, they were SHOCKED at how clean the place was, and how nice it smelled.. they just said "Gosh if we didnt' see the litter boxes and the dog dishes, we'd never know there were pets in this house" Took me alot of work, and a lot of extra cash.. but you CAN keep a place clean with alot of pets. and a cluttered house is not a "dirty" house.
Mayte, just be yourself and you WILL find love.. Don't settle for anything less Girl!!

^^
You are right. The right man will accept her pets because he truly loves her.
This is one of the reasons I romanticize the marriage of Mayte and Prince.
If ever there was a man that I imagine to be germaphobic and not wanting any animals in his living space--- I would imagine Prince would be top of that list.
Yet, Prince not only had her pets in his mansion when she lived with him, he also allowed them to be in their bed. Remember that sweet cozy picture of Mayte, and Prince in bed with jammies on and one of her little dogs in the bed with them?

if Prince was down with it... the next man who is right for Mayte will also.
That matchmaker is wrong on that note, and Mrs. Garcia was very correct when she said that. It cracked me up to see this little older lady starting to roll her neck in a true "sista" style complete with thick spanish accent, tell that matchmaker that if the man don't want the animals, then he is not the one, and he needs to just leave!

Andrea Kelly;

Someone spill the tea please

I didn't even know he was married until the child pornography trial, I heard that there were some rooms of their mansion that was off limits to his wife. I was because I didn't even know there was a wife.

So was she in the picture at the same time Aaliyah was invovled with R.?

How old was Andrea when she got involved with R.?

Is it reported that the divorce happened after the case was done? Cause I heard she stood by him during the trial.

Any stories etc. would love to hear. Cause I never really heard anything about her. She seems so nice, funny and down to earth. Not at all what I imagine R Kelly would be involved with. So it really piques my interest.

Org note me if you don't want to post on this thread.

prodigalfan said:

Ottensen said:

I finally got around to episode 2: overall I enjoyed it as far as reality shows go, and I understand that these two episodes were supposed to provide the "exposition" to give us every cast member's background so that was interesting enough. Having been divorced myself, I can empathize with how difficult it is to adjust to a life completely different than what you came to know as your truth and reality, so I look forward to cheering the ladies on as they try new things and continue to step out of their comfort zones.

So far, I'm enjoying Andrea Kelly the most for laughs. She seems to have a good spirit and is always ready to smile or laugh. Nicole is very even keel and I like that as well. Reality shows generally have too many high strung personalities and she seems pretty steady. Mayte is sweet, but Lord all those animals ! I did feel for her very much though as she discussed the loss of her son. We have a couple close to us who lost their infant a few years ago and the mother is still so deeply in grief, it's heartbreaking, and it's still extraordinarily difficult for her to be around small children, or hear of people discussing babies in her presence. It is often said that it simply is not the natural way of things for a mother to outlive her child, so it makes so much sense to me that the grief one feels when they are faced with that kind of tragedy is immeasurable...which brings me to that second wife of Prince's and her waving that damned smart phone all over the place with baby pictures: really ??? That was incredibly uncomfortable to watch given that it's so well known what Mayte went through with the loss pof a child. I thought it was crass and insensitive and certainly didn't earn the Manuela woman any cool points.

Fletcher the First Lady? I'll be interested to see how she can keep a spiritual balance with being on a tv show of this sort, and Jessica Conseco? I guess every show needs one trouble maker/controversial person to set tongues wagging, and she seems to be up for the task. Frankly speaking, she really could have saved the vagina segment for a non-filming day.

She didn't show any sensitivity 15 years ago when these events were unfolding. Why should she be any different now.

15 years ago was 15 years ago and one would think that at that time everyone had different agendas. However, now the two women are friends. Friends do not do what that girl did to Mayte; showing off their baby to someone who lost their own child? I didn't see her even ask the girl if she wanted to see any photos, she just went straight into waving that phone around and volunteering photos and info on her baby's milestones.

Regardless of who they were married to and the circumstances that brought them together as friends, that would be foul even it's just local women named Eva and Betsy living around the corner in Anyplace, America. Now that I've actually experienced someone having to go through that kind of loss, even having a sister with an old running buddy who went through that, you find that you develop a sensitivity for people who've experienced this and thus act accordingly as a friend. It's not that you always have to walk on eggshells around them regarding children, but by God at least insert your sensitivity chip and handle the topic of babies with some sort of finesse.

Ottensen said:

prodigalfan said:

She didn't show any sensitivity 15 years ago when these events were unfolding. Why should she be any different now.

15 years ago was 15 years ago and one would think that at that time everyone had different agendas. However, now the two women are friends. Friends do not do what that girl did to Mayte; showing off their baby to someone who lost their own child? I didn't see her even ask the girl if she wanted to see any photos, she just went straight into waving that phone around and volunteering photos and info on her baby's milestones.

Regardless of who they were married to and the circumstances that brought them together as friends, that would be foul even it's just local women named Eva and Betsy living around the corner in Anyplace, America. Now that I've actually experienced someone having to go through that kind of loss, even having a sister with an old running buddy who went through that, you find that you develop a sensitivity for people who've experienced this and thus act accordingly as a friend. It's not that you always have to walk on eggshells around them regarding children, but by God at least insert your sensitivity chip and handle the topic of babies with some sort of finesse.

Seriously!

Orionforever said:

psychodelicide said:

I was wondering the exact same thing after watching the show. I'm not sure if the second baby was with Prince, or it was with Tommy Lee. Sad that neither pregnancy worked out for her. I don't think you ever, truly get over the loss of a child. I think you kind of learn to accept it, and to move on with your life, as best as you can. But that would be a very, very difficult thing to do.

We wondered that too. The first was Princes for sure.. but not sure about the 2nd one. Poor mayte.. such a rough thing to go through..

Yes, definitely not an easy thing to have to experience. To have to go through it twice the way Mayte did is awful.

lauralevesque said:

Ottensen said:

15 years ago was 15 years ago and one would think that at that time everyone had different agendas. However, now the two women are friends. Friends do not do what that girl did to Mayte; showing off their baby to someone who lost their own child? I didn't see her even ask the girl if she wanted to see any photos, she just went straight into waving that phone around and volunteering photos and info on her baby's milestones.

Regardless of who they were married to and the circumstances that brought them together as friends, that would be foul even it's just local women named Eva and Betsy living around the corner in Anyplace, America. Now that I've actually experienced someone having to go through that kind of loss, even having a sister with an old running buddy who went through that, you find that you develop a sensitivity for people who've experienced this and thus act accordingly as a friend. It's not that you always have to walk on eggshells around them regarding children, but by God at least insert your sensitivity chip and handle the topic of babies with some sort of finesse.

Seriously!

I hate talking about their lost baby or babies, but you guys are killing me.

You guys do realize that they lost their baby almost 16 years ago right? So people in their life should never talk abou their own children because Prince and Mayte lost a baby 16 years ago. People in Prince's band have children and I am pretty sure Mayte has been around plenty of babies since the death of their child.

Also this is scripted reality show and I am pretty sure Mayte was well aware of the subject matter b4 hand, and I am pretty sure if they are truely friends (which I doubt, H'wood friends maybe) then Mayte has seen and held the baby already. It's absurd to think that others should not be happy about their children, especially a newborn. Once again, Mayte is a grown women who made a choice to befriend this women and then turn around and hav lunch w/her on TV and talk about the baby. She did date Tommy after P and he had small kids.

You guys are making her look ridiculous and making her into a victim of some sorts. Lets not 4get that when she came into the picture Prince was heavily into Carmen (until the distrasterous CD/Tour happened/Cheated on him) so her hands are not clean. 18 or not she has a sense of what is right or wrong.

From the sound of things I rather think the two of them, are "friends" to spite Prince and Mayte strikes me as one of those passive aggressive types. Also, I am pretty sure the first person they approached for this show is Mani, being that she is a little bit more well know than Mayte in Hollywood right now. I think Mani is not to be trusted, but Mayte does not have to associate with her, but she chooses to. She is 38 years old!!!!!

PurpleRayven said:

lauralevesque said:

Seriously!

I hate talking about their lost baby or babies, but you guys are killing me.

You guys do realize that they lost their baby almost 16 years ago right? So people in their life should never talk abou their own children because Prince and Mayte lost a baby 16 years ago. People in Prince's band have children and I am pretty sure Mayte has been around plenty of babies since the death of their child.

Also this is scripted reality show and I am pretty sure Mayte was well aware of the subject matter b4 hand, and I am pretty sure if they are truely friends (which I doubt, H'wood friends maybe) then Mayte has seen and held the baby already. It's absurd to think that others should not be happy about their children, especially a newborn. Once again, Mayte is a grown women who made a choice to befriend this women and then turn around and hav lunch w/her on TV and talk about the baby. She did date Tommy after P and he had small kids.

You guys are making her look ridiculous and making her into a victim of some sorts. Lets not 4get that when she came into the picture Prince was heavily into Carmen (until the distrasterous CD/Tour happened/Cheated on him) so her hands are not clean. 18 or not she has a sense of what is right or wrong.

From the sound of things I rather think the two of them, are "friends" to spite Prince and Mayte strikes me as one of those passive aggressive types. Also, I am pretty sure the first person they approached for this show is Mani, being that she is a little bit more well know than Mayte in Hollywood right now. I think Mani is not to be trusted, but Mayte does not have to associate with her, but she chooses to. She is 38 years old!!!!!

I have to agree with this to some extent. You can't expect everyone to not mention their children or in particular their new born babies because someone has lost a child. I think it's something that is unavoidable. My best friend has just given birth a month ago and her whole life is just baby, baby, baby. If she didn't talk about her baby she wouldn't have anything else to discuss lol

But I also agree there needed to be a little more sensitivity than what Mani showed. To me it was more the "You'd better hurry up" and "catch up" comments that were super insensitive. Why would you say that to your "friend" who is desperate to have babies and even using a match-maker to find Mr Right so she can have babies? That was much more insensitive than showing pictures of her new born. Pictures I expect, those comments are just mean.

I also think the lunch was the shows scripted way of bringing up the story of Mayte losing her first child. From what she said I think she must've had a miscarriage with her second pregnancy. She said she lost 2 "pregnancies" not children and mentions having the the first one "to term" suggesting her second didnt get that far along.

artist76 said:

Genesia said:

Waved her under his nose?! I imagine him a hungry dog and she's a tender piece of steak, the mom going "come and get it!"

But I agree it's weird, as a mom myself. Someone compared Mayte & P to Elivs & Priscilla, but I think Priscilla's parents were NOT happy and tried to prevent her from getting with him. But she did run off with him and marry him, so in the end, it just shows that short of tying up your teenaged child, you really can't prevent them from doing anything if they set their minds to it. So maybe Mayte's parents wanted to her get a job with Prince, but did worry about and try to prevent the other stuff? Who knows?

A better comparison than Elvis & Priscilla might be "An Education" (was a true story memoir, then a movie), in which the parents of the young girl were also enamored with the older man and encouraged her relationship with him; fooling themselves into thinking that the weekend trip to Oxford and the trip to Paris were platonic. It seems like Mayte's parents were also fans, so I could see a scenario like in "An Education."

I chose those words carefully - because that's exactly what she did. Sent Prince a video of her (underage) daughter belly dancing, then quite literally pushed her at him at a concert in Germany when she was 15 or 16. And what parent in their right mind would send their teenage daughter off to live in the house of a man in his thirties - a known womanizer who had, at that point, groomed at least one underage girl (Anna Garcia) to ultimately be his lover?

I suspect Mom, herself, wanted to be with Prince - but figured getting her daughter there was the next best thing.

PurpleRayven said:

lauralevesque said:

Seriously!

I hate talking about their lost baby or babies, but you guys are killing me.

You guys do realize that they lost their baby almost 16 years ago right? So people in their life should never talk abou their own children because Prince and Mayte lost a baby 16 years ago. People in Prince's band have children and I am pretty sure Mayte has been around plenty of babies since the death of their child.

Also this is scripted reality show and I am pretty sure Mayte was well aware of the subject matter b4 hand, and I am pretty sure if they are truely friends (which I doubt, H'wood friends maybe) then Mayte has seen and held the baby already. It's absurd to think that others should not be happy about their children, especially a newborn. Once again, Mayte is a grown women who made a choice to befriend this women and then turn around and hav lunch w/her on TV and talk about the baby. She did date Tommy after P and he had small kids.

You guys are making her look ridiculous and making her into a victim of some sorts. Lets not 4get that when she came into the picture Prince was heavily into Carmen (until the distrasterous CD/Tour happened/Cheated on him) so her hands are not clean. 18 or not she has a sense of what is right or wrong.

From the sound of things I rather think the two of them, are "friends" to spite Prince and Mayte strikes me as one of those passive aggressive types. Also, I am pretty sure the first person they approached for this show is Mani, being that she is a little bit more well know than Mayte in Hollywood right now. I think Mani is not to be trusted, but Mayte does not have to associate with her, but she chooses to. She is 38 years old!!!!!

I also have to agree with you on just about all points. I agree with lauralavesque as well, about not really feeling comfortable discussing Prince and Mayte's loss, and after this post, I won't mention it anymore. I think the producers told these women to discuss difficult or the most emotional times in their relationship/marriage to connect to specific demographics, especially women/men who are divorced, lost their child, and trying to move on with their lives, after a divorce, in order for the show to maintain high viewership. After all, aren't reality shows about drama? The show is supposed to be about the ex-wives, not about their exes' lives, but it seems it's the ex-husbands that the viewers are more interested in hearing about.

Not saying what Mayte said about her baby was something she shouldn't discuss, but I do think somehow the producers had to do their research on all these ladies prior to the show, and encouraged them to find ways to connect to their audience by sharing some of the most emotional and difficult times in their former marriages/relationships, considering they were married to high-profile celebs.

I always believe there are two sides to a story, and all fans have are 'rumors' many can't confirm as fact, regarding Prince and Mayte's former marriage. Of course many fans often rely on the, 'I heard it through the grapevine' stories and make accusations based 'only what they've heard' which doesn't always means it's true. So with Mayte sharing her side of the story, and expressing her feelings about her former relationships with Prince and Tommy Lee, and how both relationships ended, she may come off as a victim to some yes, and to others, she may not.

Like I said, there's two sides to every relationship, and don't get me wrong, I'm not wholeheartedly doubting what these ladies are sharing, as only they can tell their own experiences. Drama is what draws viewers to these type shows, and keeps viewers coming back, as well as, some of these shows raking in high ratings and advertising dollars. I'm not going to lie, I've been drawn in by a couple of these shows myself, even though I said I wouldn't watch.

[Edited 7/1/12 15:41pm]

Ottensen said:

prodigalfan said:

She didn't show any sensitivity 15 years ago when these events were unfolding. Why should she be any different now.

15 years ago was 15 years ago and one would think that at that time everyone had different agendas. However, now the two women are friends. Friends do not do what that girl did to Mayte; showing off their baby to someone who lost their own child? I didn't see her even ask the girl if she wanted to see any photos, she just went straight into waving that phone around and volunteering photos and info on her baby's milestones.

Regardless of who they were married to and the circumstances that brought them together as friends, that would be foul even it's just local women named Eva and Betsy living around the corner in Anyplace, America. Now that I've actually experienced someone having to go through that kind of loss, even having a sister with an old running buddy who went through that, you find that you develop a sensitivity for people who've experienced this and thus act accordingly as a friend. It's not that you always have to walk on eggshells around them regarding children, but by God at least insert your sensitivity chip and handle the topic of babies with some sort of finesse.

Ottensen, in reference to the bolded part of your post, agree with you 100%. I mean I know snakes shed their skins to grow new ones, but the lesson to be learned is that a snake is still a snake, and right at that scene with Mani sitting at the table showing baby pics in Mayte's face, is where Mani steals a moment of Mayte's sunshine, on a show where Mayte is supposed to be one of the ex-wives of a celeb, but Mani's 15 second appearance stole that episode, leaving Mayte looking like a deer with headlights, and many viewers talking about that scene with Mani, and Mani isn't even a member of the cast. Go figure.

Sad to say, she just might have given Mani her 15 seconds of tv fame because that scene left many viewers curious and surprised about Mani's appearance on the show. Now maybe Mayte's reason for having Mani as a guest on that show, could have been to squash any rumors from her ex's fans,(and it's no surprise how many of her ex's fans rely on rumors as facts) that there wasn't any malice between her and Mani, but Maybe Mayte needs to learn the difference between 'friends' and 'cobras'. One thing I remember Jada Pinkett saying about her friendship with Will's ex-wife, is that they have a mutual respect for one another because of their children from Will, but she said you will not see her and Sheree going shopping together or hanging out one-on-one together, as Jada feels their should be certain boundaries set within her friendship with Sheree because of their connection to Will, one being the ex-wife and the other the current wife. Just sayin'

I don't know how anyone could call that being a 'friend'. Just mind-boggling. I wouldn't allow a so-called friend like that anywhere near my front door, because they would already know that door would never be opened for them. That's it with a bag of popcorn and a can of pepsi.

[Edited 6/30/12 9:59am]

Genesia said:

artist76 said:

Waved her under his nose?! I imagine him a hungry dog and she's a tender piece of steak, the mom going "come and get it!"

But I agree it's weird, as a mom myself. Someone compared Mayte & P to Elivs & Priscilla, but I think Priscilla's parents were NOT happy and tried to prevent her from getting with him. But she did run off with him and marry him, so in the end, it just shows that short of tying up your teenaged child, you really can't prevent them from doing anything if they set their minds to it. So maybe Mayte's parents wanted to her get a job with Prince, but did worry about and try to prevent the other stuff? Who knows?

A better comparison than Elvis & Priscilla might be "An Education" (was a true story memoir, then a movie), in which the parents of the young girl were also enamored with the older man and encouraged her relationship with him; fooling themselves into thinking that the weekend trip to Oxford and the trip to Paris were platonic. It seems like Mayte's parents were also fans, so I could see a scenario like in "An Education."

I chose those words carefully - because that's exactly what she did. Sent Prince a video of her (underage) daughter belly dancing, then quite literally pushed her at him at a concert in Germany when she was 15 or 16. And what parent in their right mind would send their teenage daughter off to live in the house of a man in his thirties - a known womanizer who had, at that point, groomed at least one underage girl (Anna Garcia) to ultimately be his lover?

I suspect Mom, herself, wanted to be with Prince - but figured getting her daughter there was the next best thing.

damn you are speaking my mind. I always thought Mayte's mom was the real Prince fam as well.

and did you hear Mayte talk about her mom sayng the name of the tour was "Nude" so that is what I'm taking my family to see??

Quite unusual. and I still think Mayte's mom hands are not clean. But at the same time I like her on the show. She seems funny. I just wished she had showed more thought into how she introduced Mayte to that grown azz heart slayer. Prince left a trail of broken hearts across several CONTINENTS.

And for those who don't cut Mayte any slack, she was 16. They are no match mentally for a man as sauve and savvy as Prince. No way would I ever do something like that to my daughter.

Genesia said:

artist76 said:

Waved her under his nose?! I imagine him a hungry dog and she's a tender piece of steak, the mom going "come and get it!"

But I agree it's weird, as a mom myself. Someone compared Mayte & P to Elivs & Priscilla, but I think Priscilla's parents were NOT happy and tried to prevent her from getting with him. But she did run off with him and marry him, so in the end, it just shows that short of tying up your teenaged child, you really can't prevent them from doing anything if they set their minds to it. So maybe Mayte's parents wanted to her get a job with Prince, but did worry about and try to prevent the other stuff? Who knows?

A better comparison than Elvis & Priscilla might be "An Education" (was a true story memoir, then a movie), in which the parents of the young girl were also enamored with the older man and encouraged her relationship with him; fooling themselves into thinking that the weekend trip to Oxford and the trip to Paris were platonic. It seems like Mayte's parents were also fans, so I could see a scenario like in "An Education."

I chose those words carefully - because that's exactly what she did. Sent Prince a video of her (underage) daughter belly dancing, then quite literally pushed her at him at a concert in Germany when she was 15 or 16. And what parent in their right mind would send their teenage daughter off to live in the house of a man in his thirties - a known womanizer who had, at that point, groomed at least one underage girl (Anna Garcia) to ultimately be his lover?

I suspect Mom, herself, wanted to be with Prince - but figured getting her daughter there was the next best thing.

I always felt this way too. Mayte didn't care to know who Prince was, she wasn't a fan but mom sure was. Wouldn't surprise me one bit if mom asked Mayte about their sex life.

Mayte's mom was instrumental in their marriage. I truly believe that. Mom probably assured Prince that her daughter would stay in line out of his presence.

artist76 said:

Probably was cheaper than other houses in the area, that's why.

As to everyone saying, why is she living in that cramped house (i.e., "Prince is cheap"), I don't see any reason why he has to subsidize her living post-divorce. The other women in the show are getting child support - I think that's what Mayte means when she says life didn't change as drastically for the other ladies as it did for her. Child support aims to keep the child comfortable in both parents' homes. Prince and Mayte have no children, so there's not requirement that he finance her home or anything. I'm sure she got a good chunk of money, and then there was that mansion in Marbella, Spain worth millions, that she sold.

Yes, it's sad to think she had that mansion in Marbella and the one in MN (I think she said she didn't know how many rooms it had, it was so big), and now it's not like that, but them's the breaks. I don't think that's P's fault.

I never equated Mayte's life style with Prince being cheap. I didn't even read the situation like that at all. I don't think Prince subsidizes her lifestyle, not even one little bit. I see her as a women who is truly independant and pays her own bills. Its like she's playing Gloria Gaynor in her head "I will survive" and living on what she earns as a dancer and actress.

2elijah said:

PurpleRayven said:

I hate talking about their lost baby or babies, but you guys are killing me.

You guys do realize that they lost their baby almost 16 years ago right? So people in their life should never talk abou their own children because Prince and Mayte lost a baby 16 years ago. People in Prince's band have children and I am pretty sure Mayte has been around plenty of babies since the death of their child.

Also this is scripted reality show and I am pretty sure Mayte was well aware of the subject matter b4 hand, and I am pretty sure if they are truely friends (which I doubt, H'wood friends maybe) then Mayte has seen and held the baby already. It's absurd to think that others should not be happy about their children, especially a newborn. Once again, Mayte is a grown women who made a choice to befriend this women and then turn around and hav lunch w/her on TV and talk about the baby. She did date Tommy after P and he had small kids.

You guys are making her look ridiculous and making her into a victim of some sorts. Lets not 4get that when she came into the picture Prince was heavily into Carmen (until the distrasterous CD/Tour happened/Cheated on him) so her hands are not clean. 18 or not she has a sense of what is right or wrong.

From the sound of things I rather think the two of them, are "friends" to spite Prince and Mayte strikes me as one of those passive aggressive types. Also, I am pretty sure the first person they approached for this show is Mani, being that she is a little bit more well know than Mayte in Hollywood right now. I think Mani is not to be trusted, but Mayte does not have to associate with her, but she chooses to. She is 38 years old!!!!!

I also have to agree with you on just about all points. I agree with lauralavesque as well, about not really feeling comfortable discussing Prince and Mayte's loss, and after this post, I won't mention it anymore. I think the producers told these women to discuss difficult or the most emotional times in their relationship/marriage to connect to specific demographics, especially women/men who are divorced, lost their child, and trying to move on with their lives, after a divorce, in order for the show to maintain high viewership. After all, aren't reality shows about drama?

Not saying what Mayte said about her baby was something she shouldn't discuss, but I do think somehow the producers had to do their research on all these ladies prior to the show, and encouraged them to find ways to connect to their audience by sharing some of the most emotional and difficult times in their former marriages/relationships, considering they were married to high-profile celebs.

They were used to the fame when they were married to these men, and just about all have mentioned what type of life that fame and recognition brought them, and the material things that added to their lifestyles. Now two out of the 5 women are single, and looking for new relationships, and trying to achieve their goals, and quite frankly, by associating their names with their exes may help bring some extra benefits and attention of course. Not saying this is their main agenda, but if a relationship has been over for more than 10 years, one would think said individuals have moved on.

It seems the producers are more about getting as much info out of these women about their exes to maintain high ratings, because they were married to famous celebs. Although somehow it seems they've been con-vinced into believing the producers are really interested in their lives and what they're up to, and hopefully they really are and not using these women. Most know that if a reality show actor doesn't have enough drama in their life story to tell, that they can get replaced quicker than a magician pulling a rabbit out of his hat.

I also think the producers knew it would shock or surprise some viewers when two, not just one, of Prince's exes appeared on the show together. Sad to say, but I really don't think they care about these ladies personal lives, as it seems to be the producers' goals are hoping to get these women to dish some dirt about their exes, that would bring in high raings and advertising dollars.

This is no disrespect towards Mayte, whatsoever, but I would also think that Mayte knowing that her and Prince don't have much contact right now, as she stated during interview, that having Mani of all people, his second ex-wife, on the show with her, may not make things any better, especially if it is her personal desire to have a mutual friendship with him. Not that he has any say in who she could have on the show, but just saying. Mayte probably knew Mani was going to talk about her baby, like you stated, as right after that scene, the next scene was Mayte discussing her loss, and then she mentioned another loss. The producers had to know that, especially women viewers, who experienced similar situations, including women with children, would feel an emotional connection to Mayte's personal experience, and Andrea's, so without sounding rude and not being disrespectful towards Mayte or the other women, it is obvious the producers had certain scenes scripted, like orger Ottensen said.

Showing Mayte holding on to china with Prince's symbol on it and the matchmaker telling her She's "Living in her past relationship", made it look like she can't let go of her former marriage with him, which gives a more dramatic effect to her story, and keeps viewers talking about, such as fans on this site for example. For all we know, Mayte probably does not feel that way off camera, other than probably just trying to obtain a mutual friendship with her ex and move on with her life.

I always believe there are two sides to a story, and all fans have are 'rumors' many can't confirm as fact, regarding Prince and Mayte's former marriage or rely on the 'I heard it through the grapevine' stories. So with Mayte sharing her side of the story and expressing her feelings about her former relationships with Prince and Tommy Lee, and seeing how both relationships ended, she may come off as a victim to some yes, and to others, she may not.

I feel the same about Andrea Kelly's story, as her experience is a bit interesting, married to an artist no one knew she was married to for so many years, and all the drama of his much publicized, negative reputation and accusations from females about him, over the years, and how he kept his marriage to her, out of the public's eyes. Her story has definitely gained sympathy from many, as well as a surprise about her marriage to him, because who knew R.Kelly was married to her all those years, but will he tell his side of the story about why he kept his marriage secret?

We don't know as I said, there's two sides to every relationship, and don't get me wrong, I'm not wholeheartedly doubting what these ladies are sharing, as only they can tell their own experiences. Drama is what draws viewers to these type shows, and keeps viewers coming back, as well as high ratings and advertising dollars for the show's execs. I'm not going to lie, I've been drawn in by a couple of these shows myself, even though I said I wouldn't watch.

[Edited 6/30/12 8:01am]

Yeah after watching the 2nd episode for myself, I also thought Manuela coming on the show and showing pictures of new baby was scripted. It seemed ackward and forced the way she said she had a camera and pictures of baby to share.

I could just imagine there was a producer nearby saying "okay Mani, bring out your camera to show pictures and Mayte, you look off wistful and sad, then we will cut to the interview segment."

Mayte and Mani are friends on facebook anyway. I bet Mayte has seen plenty of pictures of Mani's baby.

I think bringing Mani on the show was a way to segue the whole discussion about Mayte's personal loss easily. Otherwise how else would that whole story come out?

But I agree that the comments "catch up" etc was a little cold. and sorry, I still for the life of me can't imagine why those 2 are friends. Truly bewilders me. But anyhoo.

I think the show is capitalizing on the women and their drama.

Like jessica and her ex moving in together. I think it is manufactured drama. Nicole and her lawsuit... built up drama... I bet it is really not that serious.

Not sure what Sherree's drama is really. Only Andrea seem to have genuine personal crisis on the show because her divorce is so recent and she is in real life making a change in her life to really adjust to the divorce.

She is moving her whole family across the country and trying for the first time to do something independently in her life.

So hers is genuine to me.

Still a good show. I like it.

paintedlady said:

Ottensen said:

I finally got around to episode 2: overall I enjoyed it as far as reality shows go, and I understand that these two episodes were supposed to provide the "exposition" to give us every cast member's background so that was interesting enough. Having been divorced myself, I can empathize with how difficult it is to adjust to a life completely different than what you came to know as your truth and reality, so I look forward to cheering the ladies on as they try new things and continue to step out of their comfort zones.

So far, I'm enjoying Andrea Kelly the most for laughs. She seems to have a good spirit and is always ready to smile or laugh. Nicole is very even keel and I like that as well. Reality shows generally have too many high strung personalities and she seems pretty steady. Mayte is sweet, but Lord all those animals ! I did feel for her very much though as she discussed the loss of her son. We have a couple close to us who lost their infant a few years ago and the mother is still so deeply in grief, it's heartbreaking, and it's still extraordinarily difficult for her to be around small children, or hear of people discussing babies in her presence. It is often said that it simply is not the natural way of things for a mother to outlive her child, so it makes so much sense to me that the grief one feels when they are faced with that kind of tragedy is immeasurable...which brings me to that second wife of Prince's and her waving that damned smart phone all over the place with baby pictures: really ??? That was incredibly uncomfortable to watch given that it's so well known what Mayte went through with the loss pof a child. I thought it was crass and insensitive and certainly didn't earn the Manuela woman any cool points.

Fletcher the First Lady? I'll be interested to see how she can keep a spiritual balance with being on a tv show of this sort, and Jessica Conseco? I guess every show needs one trouble maker/controversial person to set tongues wagging, and she seems to be up for the task. Frankly speaking, she really could have saved the vagina segment for a non-filming day.

You ain't lying!!! TMI on the whole vaj rejuvination and it seems like she can't wait to show her new lips off to Jose.

And Mayte is sooooo hopelessly Puerto Rican with her "Fabuloso" liquid soap!!!! OMG I love that about her and her momma is too into her biz. I did agree with that matchmaker about having all those animals all over the furniture... its a relatively small place and I started itching thinking she has 8 dogs and cats all on stuff. ACHOO!!!

You know momma Mayte is on dander patrol big time with the Fabuloso jabon all ova the place! WEPA!!

Oh and did you catch the extras with Mayte excerising some angry ghost out her house and burning sage?

I like this show and I like Mayte more now... but I still don't get how her and Mani are friends.

I cain't believe you heffas got me watching this mess!

The whole storyline with Canseco's vag I can do without. Their daughter is beautiful and seems like a good kid, I hope she survives her parent's drama.

I see the matchmaker's point about the clutter and the animals although I thought that nitpicking about the fabuloso (Cuban soap, as it's called down here), was stretching it.

I'm a Pine-sol lady myself,

Mani, ever the opportunist...are we surprised?

The sage burning was funny...did you guys not see the clip where the ladies are dancing around in Prince's shirts yet?

2elijah said:

Ottensen said:

15 years ago was 15 years ago and one would think that at that time everyone had different agendas. However, now the two women are friends. Friends do not do what that girl did to Mayte; showing off their baby to someone who lost their own child? I didn't see her even ask the girl if she wanted to see any photos, she just went straight into waving that phone around and volunteering photos and info on her baby's milestones.

Regardless of who they were married to and the circumstances that brought them together as friends, that would be foul even it's just local women named Eva and Betsy living around the corner in Anyplace, America. Now that I've actually experienced someone having to go through that kind of loss, even having a sister with an old running buddy who went through that, you find that you develop a sensitivity for people who've experienced this and thus act accordingly as a friend. It's not that you always have to walk on eggshells around them regarding children, but by God at least insert your sensitivity chip and handle the topic of babies with some sort of finesse.

Ottensen, in reference to the bolded part of your post, agree with you 100%. I mean I know snakes shed their skins to grow new ones, but the lesson to be learned is that a snake is still a snake, and right at that scene with Mani sitting at the table showing baby pics in Mayte's face, is where Mani steals a moment of Mayte's sunshine, on a show where Mayte is supposed to be one of the ex-wives of a celeb, but Mani's 15 second appearance stole that episode, leaving Mayte looking like a deer with headlights, and many viewers talking about that scene with Mani, and Mani isn't even a member of the cast. Go figure.

Sad to say, she just might have given Mani her 15 seconds of tv fame because that scene left many viewers curious and surprised about Mani's appearance on the show. Now maybe Mayte's reason for having Mani as a guest on that show, could have been to squash any rumors from her ex's fans,(and it's no surprise how many of her ex's fans rely on rumors as facts) that there wasn't any malice between her and Mani, but Maybe Mayte needs to learn the difference between 'friends' and 'cobras'. One thing I remember Jada Pinkett saying about her friendship with Will's ex-wife, is that they have a mutual respect for one another because of their children from Will, but she said you will not see her and Sheree going shopping together or hanging out one-on-one together, as Jada feels their should be certain boundaries set within her friendship with Sheree because of their connection to Will, one being the ex-wife and the other the current wife. Just sayin'

I don't know how anyone could call that being a 'friend'. Just mind-boggling. I wouldn't allow a so-called friend like that anywhere near my front door, because they would already know that door would never be opened for them. That's it with a bag of popcorn and a can of pepsi.

[Edited 6/30/12 9:59am]

right

I wish Mayte would just stay away from the SWF (single white female).

Honestly it seems like Mani harvests anything good that is happening to Mayte. Like you said here, she needs to stay away from the cobra.

babynoz said:

paintedlady said:

You ain't lying!!! TMI on the whole vaj rejuvination and it seems like she can't wait to show her new lips off to Jose.

And Mayte is sooooo hopelessly Puerto Rican with her "Fabuloso" liquid soap!!!! OMG I love that about her and her momma is too into her biz. I did agree with that matchmaker about having all those animals all over the furniture... its a relatively small place and I started itching thinking she has 8 dogs and cats all on stuff. ACHOO!!!

You know momma Mayte is on dander patrol big time with the Fabuloso jabon all ova the place! WEPA!!

Oh and did you catch the extras with Mayte excerising some angry ghost out her house and burning sage?

I like this show and I like Mayte more now... but I still don't get how her and Mani are friends.

I cain't believe you heffas got me watching this mess!

The whole storyline with Canseco's vag I can do without. Their daughter is beautiful and seems like a good kid, I hope she survives her parent's drama.

I see the matchmaker's point about the clutter and the animals although I thought that nitpicking about the fabuloso (Cuban soap, as it's called down here), was stretching it.

I'm a Pine-sol lady myself,

Mani, ever the opportunist...are we surprised?

The sage burning was funny...did you guys not see the clip where the ladies are dancing around in Prince's shirts yet?

Me too. I use it for EVERYTHING.

and I missed the last 8 minutes of the show (internet went down) so I didn't see the sage burning. was the Tshirt scene one of the bonus clips?

babynoz said:

paintedlady said:

You ain't lying!!! TMI on the whole vaj rejuvination and it seems like she can't wait to show her new lips off to Jose.

And Mayte is sooooo hopelessly Puerto Rican with her "Fabuloso" liquid soap!!!! OMG I love that about her and her momma is too into her biz. I did agree with that matchmaker about having all those animals all over the furniture... its a relatively small place and I started itching thinking she has 8 dogs and cats all on stuff. ACHOO!!!

You know momma Mayte is on dander patrol big time with the Fabuloso jabon all ova the place! WEPA!!

Oh and did you catch the extras with Mayte excerising some angry ghost out her house and burning sage?

I like this show and I like Mayte more now... but I still don't get how her and Mani are friends.

I cain't believe you heffas got me watching this mess!

The whole storyline with Canseco's vag I can do without. Their daughter is beautiful and seems like a good kid, I hope she survives her parent's drama.

I see the matchmaker's point about the clutter and the animals although I thought that nitpicking about the fabuloso (Cuban soap, as it's called down here), was stretching it.

I'm a Pine-sol lady myself,

Mani, ever the opportunist...are we surprised?

The sage burning was funny...did you guys not see the clip where the ladies are dancing around in Prince's shirts yet?

You ain't lying!

Now I didn't see the clip of the ladies doing Prince imitations.

But damn that Mani... She knew she had to insert her face on that show! Shocked she didn't name drop her husband or her foundation on her lunch date.

babynoz said:

paintedlady said:

You ain't lying!!! TMI on the whole vaj rejuvination and it seems like she can't wait to show her new lips off to Jose.

And Mayte is sooooo hopelessly Puerto Rican with her "Fabuloso" liquid soap!!!! OMG I love that about her and her momma is too into her biz. I did agree with that matchmaker about having all those animals all over the furniture... its a relatively small place and I started itching thinking she has 8 dogs and cats all on stuff. ACHOO!!!

You know momma Mayte is on dander patrol big time with the Fabuloso jabon all ova the place! WEPA!!

Oh and did you catch the extras with Mayte excerising some angry ghost out her house and burning sage?

I like this show and I like Mayte more now... but I still don't get how her and Mani are friends.

I cain't believe you heffas got me watching this mess!

The whole storyline with Canseco's vag I can do without. Their daughter is beautiful and seems like a good kid, I hope she survives her parent's drama.

I see the matchmaker's point about the clutter and the animals although I thought that nitpicking about the fabuloso (Cuban soap, as it's called down here), was stretching it.

I'm a Pine-sol lady myself,

Mani, ever the opportunist...are we surprised?

The sage burning was funny...did you guys not see the clip where the ladies are dancing around in Prince's shirts yet?

Yes, the vay-jj obsession with Conseco's wife, could stay off the script. 'About the Fabuloso, it's available in all the tropical colors of the Carribean. I think that's what attracted me to using it 5 years ago, when I saw it in my Mom's kitchen cabinet.

Ok, about Mani the cobra. She may have just earned her 15 seconds of tv fame pulling the rabbit out of the hat. Don"t be surprised if she gets offers for interviews, because of that scene.

Answer to your last question..no. Latest clip I saw was the one where the spirit chaser was getting the ghost out of Mayte's house. I think her mother is so funny though. She doesn't seem to hold her tongue on what she has to say.

[Edited 6/30/12 11:15am]