funksterr said:

I'm listening to Prince's "present" right now, and uhh... I think it's clear he has no love for FDeluxe or O7. "Everbody in yo' house gone quit/ I'm taking back this ship". Sounds to me like a shot at O7. Of course, it's delivered in Prince's typical 'I said it, but I didn't say it' style. But all y'all saying everything was just fine, look a little silly now. This was Prince's declaration of war. No worries though really, because this jam has the exact same weaknesses as all of his recent music. Bad synthesizers, electric pianos, stoopid lyrics, annoying azz Shelby. Did anyone even sing onthe track? er no. The only thing Prince has on O7/FDeluxe is starpower and the rights to his name.

Why would Prince send something stupid as this shit jam to these guys is beyond me

He's not sending a message on how music is done to anybody, he's sending them to professionals, i mean Prince needs a head check, this shit is so ridiculous!

He thinks he's God, or simply whatever

funksterr said:

I'm listening to Prince's "present" right now, and uhh... I think it's clear he has no love for FDeluxe or O7. "Everbody in yo' house gone quit/ I'm taking back this ship". Sounds to me like a shot at O7. Of course, it's delivered in Prince's typical 'I said it, but I didn't say it' style. But all y'all saying everything was just fine, look a little silly now. This was Prince's declaration of war. No worries though really, because this jam has the exact same weaknesses as all of his recent music. Bad synthesizers, electric pianos, stoopid lyrics, annoying azz Shelby. Did anyone even sing onthe track? er no. The only thing Prince has on O7/FDeluxe is starpower and the rights to his name.

So what you're really saying is that St.Paul and Terry Lewis are both suckers for posting about this gift on their bands FB pages. They really should be outraged and offended by the cruel tactics Prince has once again employed to smite them. How dare he disrespect them and in such a way that it obviously went way over their heads because they weren't incensed by it.

HonestMan13 said:

funksterr said:

I'm listening to Prince's "present" right now, and uhh... I think it's clear he has no love for FDeluxe or O7. "Everbody in yo' house gone quit/ I'm taking back this ship". Sounds to me like a shot at O7. Of course, it's delivered in Prince's typical 'I said it, but I didn't say it' style. But all y'all saying everything was just fine, look a little silly now. This was Prince's declaration of war. No worries though really, because this jam has the exact same weaknesses as all of his recent music. Bad synthesizers, electric pianos, stoopid lyrics, annoying azz Shelby. Did anyone even sing onthe track? er no. The only thing Prince has on O7/FDeluxe is starpower and the rights to his name.

So what you're really saying is that St.Paul and Terry Lewis are both suckers for posting about this gift on their bands FB pages. They really should be outraged and offended by the cruel tactics Prince has once again employed to smite them. How dare he disrespect them and in such a way that it obviously went way over their heads because they weren't incensed by it.

They wouldn't be cause a gift is a gift first of all. Secondly, it's nice to hear their songs jammed by prince in 2012, it's a nice musical gesture, but it still means Prince is a fucked up man, cause he's showing his respects to them in a form that nobody can understand except them, they will know Prince more than anyone else, and his weird and unspoken tactics.

HonestMan13 said:

funksterr said:

I'm listening to Prince's "present" right now, and uhh... I think it's clear he has no love for FDeluxe or O7. "Everbody in yo' house gone quit/ I'm taking back this ship". Sounds to me like a shot at O7. Of course, it's delivered in Prince's typical 'I said it, but I didn't say it' style. But all y'all saying everything was just fine, look a little silly now. This was Prince's declaration of war. No worries though really, because this jam has the exact same weaknesses as all of his recent music. Bad synthesizers, electric pianos, stoopid lyrics, annoying azz Shelby. Did anyone even sing onthe track? er no. The only thing Prince has on O7/FDeluxe is starpower and the rights to his name.

So what you're really saying is that St.Paul and Terry Lewis are both suckers for posting about this gift on their bands FB pages. They really should be outraged and offended by the cruel tactics Prince has once again employed to smite them. How dare he disrespect them and in such a way that it obviously went way over their heads because they weren't incensed by it.

No, they are not suckers. I'm sure they know what is best for them. In all likelihood Prince asked them to help him out and they obliged him. Still, Prince is giving them the middle finger on this track and mocking the fact that by denying them the use of their proper names he has sandbagged them financialy to the point where some members are quitting. Yeah, rededicating himself to the JW has REALLY made Prince a better person.

funksterr said:

mocking the fact that by denying them the use of their proper names he has sandbagged them financialy to the point where some members are quitting.

source.......?

80spfantwp said:

funksterr said:

mocking the fact that by denying them the use of their proper names he has sandbagged them financialy to the point where some members are quitting.

source.......?

Let's be honest, the people that really buy the majority of the music are young adults, so the name change would not have phased them, since The Time and The Family would have been new to them. Could it be that they ruined themselves financially/artistically by staying out of the spotlight for sooooo long(and some would argue, were they ever really in the spotlight 2 begin with)? I am one of many that knew about the name change, and I am one of many that didn't buy their cd and it definitely wasn't because of the name change.

Still as this musical present goes, I don't see the diss. These are grown people/seasoned veterans in the entertainment industry, nothing should shock them, including Prince!

PurpleRayven said:

80spfantwp said:

source.......?

Let's be honest, the people that really buy the majority of the music are young adults, so the name change would not have phased them, since The Time and The Family would have been new to them. Could it be that they ruined themselves financially/artistically by staying out of the spotlight for sooooo long(and some would argue, were they ever really in the spotlight 2 begin with)? I am one of many that knew about the name change, and I am one of many that didn't buy their cd and it definitely wasn't because of the name change.

Still as this musical present goes, I don't see the diss. These are grown people/seasoned veterans in the entertainment industry, nothing should shock them, including Prince!

I think some fans just take stuff too seriously now. Back when Prince was doing the 'Wooden Leg' alongside Jerome it was funny and not taken as a slap in the face or declaration of war. Then months later when Sheila was singing, "Jerome upside ya head, Mazarati upside ya head" again there wasn't a cry for her head! It's music and these artists have known each other for 20 plus year in most cases. They aren't spazzing on each other anywhere near to the degree as the fanbase does on them for their actions.

80spfantwp said:

funksterr said:

mocking the fact that by denying them the use of their proper names he has sandbagged them financialy to the point where some members are quitting.

source.......?

Common sense. You can't GOOGLE it.

HonestMan13 said:

PurpleRayven said:

Let's be honest, the people that really buy the majority of the music are young adults, so the name change would not have phased them, since The Time and The Family would have been new to them. Could it be that they ruined themselves financially/artistically by staying out of the spotlight for sooooo long(and some would argue, were they ever really in the spotlight 2 begin with)? I am one of many that knew about the name change, and I am one of many that didn't buy their cd and it definitely wasn't because of the name change.

Still as this musical present goes, I don't see the diss. These are grown people/seasoned veterans in the entertainment industry, nothing should shock them, including Prince!

I think some fans just take stuff too seriously now. Back when Prince was doing the 'Wooden Leg' alongside Jerome it was funny and not taken as a slap in the face or declaration of war. Then months later when Sheila was singing, "Jerome upside ya head, Mazarati upside ya head" again there wasn't a cry for her head! It's music and these artists have known each other for 20 plus year in most cases. They aren't spazzing on each other anywhere near to the degree as the fanbase does on them for their actions.

Nobody bought that Sheila E videotape with the Prince cameo on it back in the day. Back then almost nobody knew of any of that stuff. And even then it didn't matter for long, because Prince was facing bankruptcy (allegedly) and bad press. He made peace with Morris Day, produced Corporate World and Grafitti Bridge.

funksterr said:

80spfantwp said:

source.......?

Common sense. You can't GOOGLE it.

Simply requesting that you support your 'facts' with a link to the source. I presume, again, your rant has no substance.

funksterr said:

HonestMan13 said:

I think some fans just take stuff too seriously now. Back when Prince was doing the 'Wooden Leg' alongside Jerome it was funny and not taken as a slap in the face or declaration of war. Then months later when Sheila was singing, "Jerome upside ya head, Mazarati upside ya head" again there wasn't a cry for her head! It's music and these artists have known each other for 20 plus year in most cases. They aren't spazzing on each other anywhere near to the degree as the fanbase does on them for their actions.

Nobody bought that Sheila E videotape with the Prince cameo on it back in the day. Back then almost nobody knew of any of that stuff. And even then it didn't matter for long, because Prince was facing bankruptcy (allegedly) and bad press. He made peace with Morris Day, produced Corporate World and Grafitti Bridge.

Nobody is listening to this track either but us. So if it didn't matter then it really shouldn't now.

Just finally got a chance to listen to the rehearsal jam and I loved it.

[Edited 4/29/12 19:24pm]

80spfantwp said:

funksterr said:

Common sense. You can't GOOGLE it.

Simply requesting that you support your 'facts' with a link to the source. I presume, again, your rant has no substance.

Get off your lazy azz and get your own facts. I don't owe you a link. I'm not the library. Have you not been paying attention? Did Jesse johnson not say he quit O7 because he wasn't making any money? Did Jimmy Jam not say that the name change was a major hurdle? Were sales of Condensate kind of disappointing? I don't care if you believe what I say or not. I'm right. If you have a problem with anything I said then take your own advice, smartazz, and post your link to something that says I'm wrong. I'll be waiting for you....

funksterr said:

80spfantwp said:

Simply requesting that you support your 'facts' with a link to the source. I presume, again, your rant has no substance.

Get off your lazy azz and get your own facts. I don't owe you a link. I'm not the library. Have you not been paying attention? Did Jesse johnson not say he quit O7 because he wasn't making any money? Did Jimmy Jam not say that the name change was a major hurdle? Were sales of Condensate kind of disappointing? I don't care if you believe what I say or not. I'm right. If you have a problem with anything I said then take your own advice, smartazz, and post your link to something that says I'm wrong. I'll be waiting for you....

Well excuse me, i thought the thread was about FDeluxe - not TO7 - as for your claim that prince is responsibe for JJ quitting - I think what came out from JJ's Facebook rant was that there were plenty of internal squabbles which culminated in his decision to quit- not, as far as documented thus far, because of Prince!

Drop the name calling - I asked you to substantiate your claim on this FDeluxe thread that, 'some members are quitting' i.e. not HAVE quit, but ARE QUITTING - you clearly cannot do that as it's simply false -

but you carry on with your spin against Prince some more - I'm not even bothering to repond beyond this

funksterr said:

80spfantwp said:

Simply requesting that you support your 'facts' with a link to the source. I presume, again, your rant has no substance.

Get off your lazy azz and get your own facts. I don't owe you a link. I'm not the library. Have you not been paying attention? Did Jesse johnson not say he quit O7 because he wasn't making any money? Did Jimmy Jam not say that the name change was a major hurdle? Were sales of Condensate kind of disappointing? I don't care if you believe what I say or not. I'm right. If you have a problem with anything I said then take your own advice, smartazz, and post your link to something that says I'm wrong. I'll be waiting for you....

How does Jesse Johnson quitting have anything to do with Prince? Based on his direct rants it was internal disagreements within the group not doing anything. To this day there have been no shows, no nothing. And in this day and age of the Internet, social media, the name change being a hurdle I believe is an excuse. JJ and TL are known worldwide, the they put "Formerly Known as the Time". With the right marketing and this kickass cd people know who they are. The bottom line is that they took too long to make another CD and Prince is simply more popular.

[Edited 4/30/12 10:04am]

^

Exactly. Thank you. And, as a final FACT, Jimmy Jam stated mere days ago that TO7 are able to tour and perform live as The Time - now how does that equate to Prince stopping them making money?

They have to be willing to do the work. Condensate is a great album - nothing stopping them with promotion or touring; only themselves.

Back on topic

[Edited 4/30/12 10:15am]

80spfantwp said:

funksterr said:

Get off your lazy azz and get your own facts. I don't owe you a link. I'm not the library. Have you not been paying attention? Did Jesse johnson not say he quit O7 because he wasn't making any money? Did Jimmy Jam not say that the name change was a major hurdle? Were sales of Condensate kind of disappointing? I don't care if you believe what I say or not. I'm right. If you have a problem with anything I said then take your own advice, smartazz, and post your link to something that says I'm wrong. I'll be waiting for you....

Well excuse me, i thought the thread was about FDeluxe - not TO7 - as for your claim that prince is responsibe for JJ quitting - I think what came out from JJ's Facebook rant was that there were plenty of internal squabbles which culminated in his decision to quit- not, as far as documented thus far, because of Prince!

Drop the name calling - I asked you to substantiate your claim on this FDeluxe thread that, 'some members are quitting' i.e. not HAVE quit, but ARE QUITTING - you clearly cannot do that as it's simply false -

but you carry on with your spin against Prince some more - I'm not even bothering to repond beyond this

You aren't the first person I've come across on this site that tried to pretend to MISUNDERSTAND the issue, then claim to be so above it all, once they talked themselves into a corner, lol. That's an old play, I've seem dozens of times on this site. I love how after being challenged to provide any links or proof that anything I said was wrong, you then announced how you will not be responding further, lol. You could have at least had enough class to admit that Pince, through his "present" was in fact taking jabs at people who had done nothing to him.

wonder505 said:

funksterr said:

Get off your lazy azz and get your own facts. I don't owe you a link. I'm not the library. Have you not been paying attention? Did Jesse johnson not say he quit O7 because he wasn't making any money? Did Jimmy Jam not say that the name change was a major hurdle? Were sales of Condensate kind of disappointing? I don't care if you believe what I say or not. I'm right. If you have a problem with anything I said then take your own advice, smartazz, and post your link to something that says I'm wrong. I'll be waiting for you....

How does Jesse Johnson quitting have anything to do with Prince? Based on his direct rants it was internal disagreements within the group not doing anything. To this day there have been no shows, no nothing. And in this day and age of the Internet, social media, the name change being a hurdle I believe is an excuse. JJ and TL are known worldwide, the they put "Formerly Known as the Time". With the right marketing and this kickass cd people know who they are. The bottom line is that they took too long to make another CD and Prince is simply more popular.

[Edited 4/30/12 10:04am]

Ehh... That ain't even what I'm talking about. Prince is mocking the fact that he is withholding the names from the groups in the song. "Everybody in your house gone quit, I'm taking back this ship" means what to you, within the context Prince used it? Over a Mutiny/Ice Cream Castles hybrid song in 2012 emailed in response to questions form the bandmembers about working with him? I believe Prince is saying the bands will breakup and fail because he is withholding the names. You say you don't believe the name changes are an issue. Well with all due respect to you, I'll trust Jimmy Jam's opinion over yours. He's earned the right to be considered an expert on this matter and he says it definitely is a major hurdle, so...

funksterr said:

wonder505 said:

How does Jesse Johnson quitting have anything to do with Prince? Based on his direct rants it was internal disagreements within the group not doing anything. To this day there have been no shows, no nothing. And in this day and age of the Internet, social media, the name change being a hurdle I believe is an excuse. JJ and TL are known worldwide, the they put "Formerly Known as the Time". With the right marketing and this kickass cd people know who they are. The bottom line is that they took too long to make another CD and Prince is simply more popular.

[Edited 4/30/12 10:04am]

Ehh... That ain't even what I'm talking about. Prince is mocking the fact that he is withholding the names from the groups in the song. "Everybody in your house gone quit, I'm taking back this ship" means what to you, within the context Prince used it? Over a Mutiny/Ice Cream Castles hybrid song in 2012 emailed in response to questions form the bandmembers about working with him? I believe Prince is saying the bands will breakup and fail because he is withholding the names. You say you don't believe the name changes are an issue. Well with all due respect to you, I'll trust Jimmy Jam's opinion over yours. He's earned the right to be considered an expert on this matter and he says it definitely is a major hurdle, so...

I think if it was that serious FDeluxe would not still be open to the possibility of performing at Prince's concert.

I respect Jimmy's perspective too, but how do they know anything is a hurdle unless they tried? have they been calling and trying to book venues and are they being turned down left and right???

[Edited 4/30/12 18:44pm]

funksterr said:

I believe Prince is saying the bands will breakup and fail because he is withholding the names.

And you originally state,

' by denying them the use of their proper names he has sandbagged them financialy to the point where some members are quitting'.

When pressed to name a source for this bolded statement you try to turn it around and ask me to do the same to prove you wrong. But finally you unmask the fact that your statement

tis pure conjecture and not base on fact at all:

Prince song lyrics are your source

[Edited 4/30/12 22:42pm]

funksterr said:

80spfantwp said:

funksterr said:

I believe Prince is saying the bands will breakup and fail because he is withholding the names.

And you originally state,

' by denying them the use of their proper names he has sandbagged them financialy to the point where some members are quitting'.

When pressed to name a source for this bolded statement you try to turn it around and ask me to do the same to prove you wrong. But finally you unmask the fact that your statement

tis pure conjecture and not base on fact at all:

Prince song lyrics are your source

[Edited 4/30/12 22:42pm]

Drfunkenberry said, "PRINCE SPEAKS THROUGH HIS MUSIC IN UPCOMING REHEARSAL JAM". Drfunkenberry mentions in the same story, "Terry got his answer through song. P always speaks through music. Its the language all of us understand."

^ You haven't read Funkster's initial claim have you?

To claim that he Prince 'sandbagged them financialy to the point where some members are quitting' is simply false.

No where on Mutiny jam can anyone rgarner the above statement and then present it as fact. Simple as.

How are FDeluxe/ T07 prevented from touring and making money?

Who is quitting? If you mean JJ - old news now and internal squabbles and lack of touring dates were cited by JJ himself

Of course I know Prince was responding to fdeluxe and TO7 through the jam. t's clear he is taking his songs, intends to play them and doesn't intend for them to tour with him in Australia - nothing more can be read from this.

wonder505 said:

funksterr said:

Ehh... That ain't even what I'm talking about. Prince is mocking the fact that he is withholding the names from the groups in the song. "Everybody in your house gone quit, I'm taking back this ship" means what to you, within the context Prince used it? Over a Mutiny/Ice Cream Castles hybrid song in 2012 emailed in response to questions form the bandmembers about working with him? I believe Prince is saying the bands will breakup and fail because he is withholding the names. You say you don't believe the name changes are an issue. Well with all due respect to you, I'll trust Jimmy Jam's opinion over yours. He's earned the right to be considered an expert on this matter and he says it definitely is a major hurdle, so...

I think if it was that serious FDeluxe would not still be open to the possibility of performing at Prince's concert.

I respect Jimmy's perspective too, but how do they know anything is a hurdle unless they tried? have they been calling and trying to book venues and are they being turned down left and right???

[Edited 4/30/12 18:44pm]

It can be serious without hate. If you think aout it, FDeluxe and O7 always show love to Prince regardless of what he does. Prince does things on a whim. I think they know the best way to respond to him is to keep the lines of communication open regardless of how hurtful his actions are to their own aspirations.

BobGeorge909 said:

funksterr said:

Ehh... That ain't even what I'm talking about. Prince is mocking the fact that he is withholding the names from the groups in the song. "Everybody in your house gone quit, I'm taking back this ship" means what to you, within the context Prince used it? Over a Mutiny/Ice Cream Castles hybrid song in 2012 emailed in response to questions form the bandmembers about working with him? I believe Prince is saying the bands will breakup and fail because he is withholding the names. You say you don't believe the name changes are an issue. Well with all due respect to you, I'll trust Jimmy Jam's opinion over yours. He's earned the right to be considered an expert on this matter and he says it definitely is a major hurdle, so...

Surely u can't be farting right now, cuz ure completely talking out of your ass. One, that not what is even being said in the song. Mutiny is a song he'd been playing lately, felt he had a handle in and recorded a rehearsal. If u ask me, the whole thing looks manufactured. Can't old friends give each other some shit without their being some sinister lord palpitine motivation. I called my friend a little bitch at the bar the jther night. Hell, I even cock blocked him one night(for good reason....for TWO good reasons come to think of it). Don't mean I'm trying to ruin him or get him fired from his job. Press STOP on whatever little soap opera drama u got goin on in your head, re-group and re-alize...u sound line a fool trying to make some outlandish rappers beef outtta some some silly jabs...and that's if its even worth of being called silly jabs... [Edited 4/30/12 23:36pm] [Edited 4/30/12 23:38pm]

I like your analogy, however in this situation, it's just not that simple. Prince holds a fair amount of contracual power over his "old friends". They are not on a level playing field. I don't think it's cool for him to put them down, on top of everything else. As for the rest of your post... I challege you to prove it. A lot of people have come on this thread and against all public facts and logic, speculated that everything was just fine. Prove it. Prove Prince "had a handle" on Mutiny "and recorded a rehearsal". How do you know this? I think you just made it up.

[Edited 5/1/12 3:05am]

funksterr said:

BobGeorge909 said:

funksterr said:

I don't think it's cool for him to put them down, on top of everything else. As for the rest of your post... I challege you to prove it. A lot of people have come on this thread and against all public facts and logic, speculated that everything was just fine. Prove it. Prove Prince "had a handle" on Mutiny "and recorded a rehearsal". How do you know this? I think you just made it up.

[Edited 5/1/12 3:05am]

??? Crazy is one thing, stupid is another....crazy AND stupid....priceless....

"Put down the needle, put down the spoon....."

funksterr said:

80spfantwp said: