funksterr said:

funksterr said:

HonestMan13 said:

You seem like you need there to be a villain in this storyline. Yet the proteges who have had contact with Prince (in whatever capacity you want to make it) have still had 10 seconds more of his time than you, me or any other fan and they're not whining about the past. The main reason the fans get disappointed is because we over speculate and get these fantasy notions in our heads and when our idols prove to just be merely human and capable of messing things up we get bent out of shape. St.Paul has said several times that the fans need to move on and that he has the utmost respect for Prince. Jimmy Jam has talked to Prince about producing him on some tracks. Terry Lewis spoke to Prince about the O7 opening for him in Austrailia. We do not know the capacity of any of these interactions and the people relaying them to us aren't putting a negative spin of being played on their comments so why are you?

As for said duped ticketbuyers if they aren't on this thread complaining about something that affected them so deeply then why are you? As a fan of the O7(I've seen you on the threads) the idea that they're trying to set up dates with Prince should come as good news to you and others.

All seems to be water under the bridge if you let it.

In the absence of Sheila E, I genuinely believe Prince may be using these guys. That is how he has played it. Tease, tease then disappoint. Hint at a reunion of some sort, then once the tickets are sold and his financial objectives are met, stop taking phone calls. I don't want to see that happen with FDeluxe, but I have seen this pattern before. As far as Jimmy and Terry are concerned, I think you may have skipped over some of what has been said lately. Jimmy has said there has been no progress with Prince. Jimmy has said that they were hoping "fan pressure" would help change Prince's mind about the band recording as "The Time". I have no idea why you keep saying (and you have for 5 or 6 months) that everything is just fine. It appears that FDeluxe and O7 are reaching out being gracious towards Prince, but i don't see Prince being gracious in return toward them. Now, if Fdeluxe/O7 opens for Prince during this tour, I would have to say Prince did a solid towards them. But so far there isn't any reason to believe he is going to do that.

I was basing my comments on the second half of Jimmy Jam's recent interview and the Funkenberry post about Terry from yesterday. Also from St.Paul's response post on FB regarding the gift they received. I'm not saying anything that they haven't said. As for the issue of the band name that's old news and seemingly resolved where everyone moved on and released their music. If they were still holding a grudge I'm sure they'd be more vocal about it at every chance they get. All I get from them is that they all want to continue to make music and please their fans. All I get when I log on here is a thirst for drama between all the camps.

stevefraser67 said:

funksterr said:

In the absence of Sheila E, I genuinely believe Prince may be using these guys. That is how he has played it. Tease, tease then disappoint. Hint at a reunion of some sort, then once the tickets are sold and his financial objectives are met, stop taking phone calls. I don't want to see that happen with FDeluxe, but I have seen this pattern before. As far as Jimmy and Terry are concerned, I think you may have skipped over some of what has been said lately. Jimmy has said there has been no progress with Prince. Jimmy has said that they were hoping "fan pressure" would help change Prince's mind about the band recording as "The Time". I have no idea why you keep saying (and you have for 5 or 6 months) that everything is just fine. It appears that FDeluxe and O7 are reaching out being gracious towards Prince, but i don't see Prince being gracious in return toward them. Now, if Fdeluxe/O7 opens for Prince during this tour, I would have to say Prince did a solid towards them. But so far there isn't any reason to believe he is going to do that.

Looks to me like he is trying to use them too but have you considered the fact they're doing exactly the same thing to him?

Yeah I see that a little bit, but I'm more understanding of the Associated Artist's position.

HonestMan13 said:

funksterr said:

In the absence of Sheila E, I genuinely believe Prince may be using these guys. That is how he has played it. Tease, tease then disappoint. Hint at a reunion of some sort, then once the tickets are sold and his financial objectives are met, stop taking phone calls. I don't want to see that happen with FDeluxe, but I have seen this pattern before. As far as Jimmy and Terry are concerned, I think you may have skipped over some of what has been said lately. Jimmy has said there has been no progress with Prince. Jimmy has said that they were hoping "fan pressure" would help change Prince's mind about the band recording as "The Time". I have no idea why you keep saying (and you have for 5 or 6 months) that everything is just fine. It appears that FDeluxe and O7 are reaching out being gracious towards Prince, but i don't see Prince being gracious in return toward them. Now, if Fdeluxe/O7 opens for Prince during this tour, I would have to say Prince did a solid towards them. But so far there isn't any reason to believe he is going to do that.

I was basing my comments on the second half of Jimmy Jam's recent interview and the Funkenberry post about Terry from yesterday. Also from St.Paul's response post on FB regarding the gift they received. I'm not saying anything that they haven't said. As for the issue of the band name that's old news and seemingly resolved where everyone moved on and released their music. If they were still holding a grudge I'm sure they'd be more vocal about it at every chance they get. All I get from them is that they all want to continue to make music and please their fans. All I get when I log on here is a thirst for drama between all the camps.

I don't think that is a dead issue at all. Jimmy Jam has mentioned it twice already this year in the 3 interviews I've read. The Time is an iconic band name. They seem to feel robbed of their identity. They want to use the name. But that's off topic.

Is Prince being real, with his recent overtures? Is he truly interested in working with any of these guys? Or is this a stunt to move a few more tickets? I guess only time will tell. But no one will be happier than me, if Prince shows some love for FDeluxe and O7 as his opening act.

funksterr said:

stevefraser67 said:

funksterr said:

Yeah I see that a little bit, but I'm more understanding of the Associated Artist's position.

I meant it positively. From everything fDeluxe has done they have shown that they are happy to stand on their own feet but use the Prince relationship to their advantage, especially if he thinks he is using them.

I hadn't thought of it that way. As long as they get something out of it, I'm happy for them. I just want to see them treated fairly.

80spfantwp said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Its one of his "Masterpieces".....

With this and the perpetual eye rolls I swear you're becoming a cariciture of yourself

Or someone's hacked this guy's account, which is possible because he's now writing masterpieces with quotation marks. KCOOLMUZIQ just can't be serious.

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OldFriends4Sale said:

cbarnes3121 said:

whatever it is just shows prince dont hold beef or grudges

I don't think it means he doesn't he obviously did for a while

Hopefully he finally got over it

i keep hearing everybody say he is using them for what ?? prince never said nothing about nobody opening for him they reaching out asking him can they open. the only beef i think is created through the fans wanting drama cuz if u listen 2 jimmy,terry,paul, wendy and lisa they all communicate with prince back and fourth on music and various ideas just b/c they dont report it all the time we assume its beef cuz we dont see em hanging out 2gether or working 2gether. prince has had a relationship with most of these people most of his life so i dont see how he would find it public knowledge 2 broadcast when they speak

To be honest I became real tired reading about the supposed dramas between TO7, FDeluxe and Prince - The majority of it was, indeed, from fans supposedly 'in the know' putting their spin on things.

If all parties involved are able to get over whatever it was they needed to get over then noone else has any business dragging out what has come before.

I swear some people up in here really need to examine their own agendas/ egos and question whether they are projecting their own dissatisfactions on to others

No one is never happy here with anything Prince does anymore. He can't even wear an afro without 10 page threads tearing him to shreds about it. Yet try to go on a tour & make a new record or revamp his old masterpieces & give it to his old proteges. Which they love! But the haters here are out in full force putting him down again.Good he doesn't care & keeps doing what he pleases to do. When U have haters(which I have to) u just go on & do what u feel its right in ur heart & ignore others.

If U don't have haters then ur life is boring. "They're is weapons & tools & destruction & ur time is boring unless u putting something down. Don't U wish U can walk in a pair of these shoes?"

I simply believe that everyone involved in this situation is an adult and capable of making adult decisions and dealing with the adult consequences (be they good or bad) of said decisions. The majority on this site act like the proteges are complete idiots when it comes to dealing with Prince. Most of them have known him for decades and they've maintained some form of relationship with him and vice versa. Let them all live their lives and create their own paths without chiding them incessantly about what they choose to do. If you want to nitpick at someone go find your kids out in the street and teach them to stay away from dudes in purple trenchcoats bearing record deals. Sheesh!

I remember back in the days when I used to zealously defend Prince online. I feel for those of you who still try, but some things are pretty much indefensible. Prince has shown us a pattern of asking others to act in good faith on his behalf, only to leave them with something far less than what they expected. You don't need me to recap the last 20 years. You all know what I'm talking about. FDeluxe is currently working with Prince to promote his tour. We know that for a fact. But the question is: Will they benefit? Will they get anything out of it? And won't that be jacked up if they don't?

In the meantime, I think this song kind of sums it up:

I find it very "high school" that Prince can't address former friends and fellow artists as adults. Communicating through a song that he wrote when he was 25 or so doesn't show a whole lot of progress as a person since he accused both Paul and Jimmy and Terry of "Mutiny" in the mid eighties. I assume that is a lame swipe at people who have gone on and had careers completely away from Prince while still acknowleding an enjoying their roots. Why can't Prince just pick up a phone and say what is what. Or get someone to place the call and then hand it to him even

Because Prince is untouchable. He can pretty much do whatever he wants & get it done. He is not & will never be the typical let's chat over dinner type artist. He is in control & will always be.Why shouldn't he be? He is responsible for each & everyone of them success...Plus holds all the cards to their legacy which is the masterpieces he wrote & gave to them to start their careers. Even Jimmy acknowledges that..

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funksterr said:

I remember back in the days when I used to zealously defend Prince online. I feel for those of you who still try, but some things are pretty much indefensible. Prince has shown us a pattern of asking others to act in good faith on his behalf, only to leave them with something far less than what they expected. You don't need me to recap the last 20 years. You all know what I'm talking about. FDeluxe is currently working with Prince to promote his tour. We know that for a fact. But the question is: Will they benefit? Will they get anything out of it? And won't that be jacked up if they don't?

I started to feel quite jaded after I realised how unlikely this was to lead to anything significant with respect to opening acts, etc... but I've mellowed a little bit now.

Yes, they are helping Prince promote his tour, although, really, if there is a single person in Australia who hadn't already bought a ticket, who decided to do so on the basis that The Time and/or The Family might be opening for him, I want to meet them and have a conversation with them. Because surely it's only die hards that would even be following this news and what are they doing without a ticket to begin with?

So, in fact, Fdeluxe and TO7 are getting more publicity out of this than Prince is. He gets to tease us through the Doc, and the two bands get something interesting to talk about via social media.

TO7 hadn't posted anything until just recently, but have now done well to milk it by attaching their Trendin' video to a post alluding to Prince news, that's now had 84 'likes' since yesterday.

Fdeluxe took advantage early, posting about the email they'd received, asking who we'd like to see open for Prince and putting up some of the new lyrics to Mutiny. In the midst of it all, they posted their "Sactified" video early (minus finishing touches from a delayed editing process) - why? Because they knew they'd have more visitors to their page during the purple circus.

If both groups received the same email with the same music, they already know the answer we're waiting for, so they're not really getting stringed along. So, emotional immaturity aside (and I do agree that there are better ways to communicate with adults than through a 20-something year old song that's already seriously tinged with bitterness from past spats), only good can come of this for Fdeluxe and TO7 - it's just up to them to make the most of it (which, by all accounts, they already are).

Really, the only ones who are getting a bit screwed over are the fans. The older ones have seen it all before, so they seem relatively unphased. The Kcoolmuziqs of the world lap it up, so that's cool too.

As for me, I'm just left a bit gunshy, with increasing contempt for music bloggers who seem content to be a knowing pawn in Prince's game, implying that maybe TO7 might be opening for Prince in Australia, backed by the weight of being the only semi-reliable online source for Prince info, while almost certainly being due to share news to the contrary once the dangling hook has collected enough fish.

Ok, so maybe I haven't completely mellowed yet

I guess I'm just a tad frustrated that all the genuine excitement of an Aussie Prince tour (plus the promise of some new/old music in coming days) has been overshadowed by a rumour that will almost certainly prove to be untrue. I can't believe that at a time when I should still be bouncing off the walls at what's coming next month, I'm feeling a bit jaded and deflated.

But it won't last. I'll just be a little more careful next time I see these rumours, even when they seem to be coming from reliable sources.

...of course, if we find out that either Fdeluxe or T07 are going to open for Prince here in Oz, I'll be delighted to carve up the post into bite-size pieces, throw it in a big ol' slice of humble pie, and tuck in!

[Edited 4/22/12 16:49pm]

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Because Prince is untouchable. He can pretty much do whatever he wants & get it done. He is not & will never be the typical let's chat over dinner type artist. He is in control & will always be.Why shouldn't he be? He is responsible for each & everyone of them success...Plus holds all the cards to their legacy which is the masterpieces he wrote & gave to them to start their careers. Even Jimmy acknowledges that..

[Edited 4/22/12 16:54pm]

I don't know... I've read a lot of stories through the years about Prince talking business over dinner with all types of artists. He is precisely the type that talks business over dinner. He even wrote a song about it: "DinnerWith Delores". Toni Braxton, Anita Baker, Beyonce, Mariah Carey, CHris Rock, Spike Lee... all stories of him talking business over dinner. So that's not a good excuse.

Prince has had Dj's over his place & played songs 4 them. He has gone to record labels that only he was interested in 4 distribution deals. But not out 2 dinner. Also u are wrong about "Dinner With Delores". That song was about a slut that was trying to get him in bed that ate like a brontosaurus & danced like a white girl .Those artist & actors U mentioned are just friends of his..

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Because Prince is untouchable. He can pretty much do whatever he wants & get it done. He is not & will never be the typical let's chat over dinner type artist. He is in control & will always be.Why shouldn't he be? He is responsible for each & everyone of them success...Plus holds all the cards to their legacy which is the masterpieces he wrote & gave to them to start their careers. Even Jimmy acknowledges that..

[Edited 4/22/12 16:54pm]

So you like that he acts like a high school brat apparently.

He's hardly untouchabel. A prefume company just "touched" him real good.

I like this jam but PLEASE can Shelby step away from the mike and give someone else a turn - if not Prince then at least Liv or Elisa

Guitar playing is fantastic as usual - real funky

Zannaloaf said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Because Prince is untouchable. He can pretty much do whatever he wants & get it done. He is not & will never be the typical let's chat over dinner type artist. He is in control & will always be.Why shouldn't he be? He is responsible for each & everyone of them success...Plus holds all the cards to their legacy which is the masterpieces he wrote & gave to them to start their careers. Even Jimmy acknowledges that..

[Edited 4/22/12 16:54pm]

So you like that he acts like a high school brat apparently.

He's hardly untouchabel. A prefume company just "touched" him real good.

i think the people on here acts like high school brats hell got dammit prince has always been known since he first arrived that he speak through his music it use 2 b hard as hel 2 get a innerview out of him or michael jackson they felt there work speak 4 them BUT what we fail 2 realize for all we know and nobody on here know a damn thang prince could be hanging out and on the phone with jimmy/terry/wendy andl lisa and various others everybody.prince rarely ever talks about his private life and the people around him dont say much so how do we know ?? we lie and put out rumors based on i heard it through the grapevine child boo

cbarnes3121 said:

Zannaloaf said:

So you like that he acts like a high school brat apparently.

He's hardly untouchabel. A prefume company just "touched" him real good.

i think the people on here acts like high school brats hell got dammit prince has always been known since he first arrived that he speak through his music it use 2 b hard as hel 2 get a innerview out of him or michael jackson they felt there work speak 4 them BUT what we fail 2 realize for all we know and nobody on here know a damn thang prince could be hanging out and on the phone with jimmy/terry/wendy andl lisa and various others everybody.prince rarely ever talks about his private life and the people around him dont say much so how do we know ?? we lie and put out rumors based on i heard it through the grapevine child boo

Instead of listening to the music for the sake of listening to the music everyone is trying to decipher the hidden context of the meaning behind the riddle wrapped in the enigma. Remember when music used to be fun? Probably before this site was created and everyone got their masters degree in everything Prince. These rehearsals are funky and fun! Australia is in for a treat!!!

HonestMan13 said:

cbarnes3121 said:

i think the people on here acts like high school brats hell got dammit prince has always been known since he first arrived that he speak through his music it use 2 b hard as hel 2 get a innerview out of him or michael jackson they felt there work speak 4 them BUT what we fail 2 realize for all we know and nobody on here know a damn thang prince could be hanging out and on the phone with jimmy/terry/wendy andl lisa and various others everybody.prince rarely ever talks about his private life and the people around him dont say much so how do we know ?? we lie and put out rumors based on i heard it through the grapevine child boo

Instead of listening to the music for the sake of listening to the music everyone is trying to decipher the hidden context of the meaning behind the riddle wrapped in the enigma. Remember when music used to be fun? Probably before this site was created and everyone got their masters degree in everything Prince. These rehearsals are funky and fun! Australia is in for a treat!!!

The Time/Family don't seem to fill dissed by Prince, so why create drama when there is none. If they do perform in australia then great, if not, that's fine too, since the tour was and still is promoted as a a Prince tour and nothing else was promised, No opening acts/no surpise guests/Just Prince.

PurpleRayven said:

HonestMan13 said:

Instead of listening to the music for the sake of listening to the music everyone is trying to decipher the hidden context of the meaning behind the riddle wrapped in the enigma. Remember when music used to be fun? Probably before this site was created and everyone got their masters degree in everything Prince. These rehearsals are funky and fun! Australia is in for a treat!!!

The Time/Family don't seem to fill dissed by Prince, so why create drama when there is none. If they do perform in australia then great, if not, that's fine too, since the tour was and still is promoted as a a Prince tour and nothing else was promised, No opening acts/no surpise guests/Just Prince.

Well, taking a look at fdeluxe's most recent response I'd say St Paul has taken this 'gift' in good spirit - I don't rule out the possibility of them supporting Prince in Australia. Time will tell s'pose

funksterr said:

HonestMan13 said:

You seem like you need there to be a villain in this storyline. Yet the proteges who have had contact with Prince (in whatever capacity you want to make it) have still had 10 seconds more of his time than you, me or any other fan and they're not whining about the past. The main reason the fans get disappointed is because we over speculate and get these fantasy notions in our heads and when our idols prove to just be merely human and capable of messing things up we get bent out of shape. St.Paul has said several times that the fans need to move on and that he has the utmost respect for Prince. Jimmy Jam has talked to Prince about producing him on some tracks. Terry Lewis spoke to Prince about the O7 opening for him in Austrailia. We do not know the capacity of any of these interactions and the people relaying them to us aren't putting a negative spin of being played on their comments so why are you?

As for said duped ticketbuyers if they aren't on this thread complaining about something that affected them so deeply then why are you? As a fan of the O7(I've seen you on the threads) the idea that they're trying to set up dates with Prince should come as good news to you and others.

All seems to be water under the bridge if you let it.

In the absence of Sheila E, I genuinely believe Prince may be using these guys. That is how he has played it. Tease, tease then disappoint. Hint at a reunion of some sort, then once the tickets are sold and his financial objectives are met, stop taking phone calls. I don't want to see that happen with FDeluxe, but I have seen this pattern before. As far as Jimmy and Terry are concerned, I think you may have skipped over some of what has been said lately. Jimmy has said there has been no progress with Prince. Jimmy has said that they were hoping "fan pressure" would help change Prince's mind about the band recording as "The Time". I have no idea why you keep saying (and you have for 5 or 6 months) that everything is just fine. It appears that FDeluxe and O7 are reaching out being gracious towards Prince, but i don't see Prince being gracious in return toward them. Now, if Fdeluxe/O7 opens for Prince during this tour, I would have to say Prince did a solid towards them. But so far there isn't any reason to believe he is going to do that.

Fdeluxe r not going to make prince sell more tix

Unless the members of FDeluxe and O7 are complete idiots then there is no reason for any of us to worry about them over this. They know Prince more than I do and I'm sure they are capable of taking care of themselves and handling themselves well when it comes to Prince.

I get the feeling some here feel they know more than Fdeluxe and O7 does, and they all worried about what Prince will do to them. Maybe it it will, or maybe it won't turn out good or bad, but again, these are intelligent talented folks who know Prince more than you and I so I don't see the need to insert drummed up assumptions and drama cuz they seem alright with the invitation, if that's what it is.

wonder505 said:

I'm listening to Prince's "present" right now, and uhh... I think it's clear he has no love for FDeluxe or O7. "Everbody in yo' house gone quit/ I'm taking back this ship". Sounds to me like a shot at O7. Of course, it's delivered in Prince's typical 'I said it, but I didn't say it' style. But all y'all saying everything was just fine, look a little silly now. This was Prince's declaration of war. No worries though really, because this jam has the exact same weaknesses as all of his recent music. Bad synthesizers, electric pianos, stoopid lyrics, annoying azz Shelby. Did anyone even sing onthe track? er no. The only thing Prince has on O7/FDeluxe is starpower and the rights to his name.

funksterr said:

I'm listening to Prince's "present" right now, and uhh... I think it's clear he has no love for FDeluxe or O7. "Everbody in yo' house gone quit/ I'm taking back this ship". Sounds to me like a shot at O7.

Of course, it's delivered in Prince's typical 'I said it, but I didn't say it' style. But all y'all saying everything was just fine, look a little silly now. This was Prince's declaration of war.

A lot of supposition/ conjecture on your part

No worries though really, because this jam has the exact same weaknesses as all of his recent music. Bad synthesizers, electric pianos, stoopid lyrics, annoying azz Shelby. Did anyone even sing onthe track? er no. The only thing Prince has on O7/FDeluxe is starpower and the rights to his name.

Classy rebuttal on behalf of TO7 and FDeluxe - like they would want this in the mix from any of us