LinnLM1 said:

This reunion is really odd. Why?

The Family's album is 100% Prince-created.

So when Paul and Susannah and Jellybean and Eric Leeds get together - what's the excitement really about? They didn't create that album. Prince did. Honestly, they were nothing more than a cover band. Prince used them as a vehicle for an album of his tunes. I'm not trying to be mean when I say that it's just happens to be excactly how it was/is. As Eric Leeds himself once said - The Family's album is as much of a Prince album as any album Prince ever released. And how many times did The Family ever play live back in the day. I know the never toured extensively. So, live, they were non-existent (unlike The Time).

I wish it was a situation where those guys/gal had written that incredible album themselves and Prince had nothing to do with it. But that's not the case. So the excitement makes very little sense to me.

I get the sense that fans conveniently ignore the well-known fact that the group of people who made up The Family actually had nothing to do with "their" album.

And lest anyone thinks I'm a Prince fanboy let me just say this: I am a lover of Prince's musical output from 1980-1987 BUT I also think, over the years, Prince has become a massive jerk. The guy was once someone who brought people of different colors and beliefs together and not he's become a quasi-Conservative with a very strict set of rules (and bizarre beliefs) that if you don't happen to agree with then he wants nothing to do with you. And I've no doubt that Paul, Susannah, Jellybean, and Eric are way better people than Prince is now.

That being said, Prince=The Family, not Paul P, Susannah, Jellybean, and Eric.

[Edited 1/27/12 9:10am]

There is no doubt about the fact that The Family is by all means a Prince album, but I don't see what difference it makes, or then The Time's various reunions are as ridiculous as The Family's since the situation with their first 3 albums is exactly the same, and let's not even speak about the upcoming Revolution reunion.

In the end, St. Paul, Eric Leeds, Susannah Melvoin and Jellybean Johnson are musicians in their own right, people who compose and play music, just like The Original 7ven are. Fact is that The Family and The Time are adventures these people shared together, chapters in their lives and preludes to the careers that followed. They didn't really create these albums but they were there nonetheless, and they worked on these projects, contributed to the original Prince recordings, shot videos, rehearsed and played live to support the albums, so yes they "had something to do with it". And as for The Family not touring extensively, like The Time, well, they played a single concert if I remember correctly, before Paul left the boat. Sure it ain't much, but preparing a concert set isn't nothing in itself, it asks hard work, time and commitment. Particularly when your boss is someone as demanding as Prince.

And anyway, despite these original albums being more Prince's creation than theirs, they know that their combined talents, as individuals, can create particular alchemies. Possibly different alchemies than the ones Prin ce had created for them, but creative alchemies nonetheless.

So in the end if we follow your reasoning, Sheila E. and Jill Jones are ridiculous to pursue solo careers as well. Since their first albums and the whole concepts going with them were almost entirely Prince's creations they have no legitimacy to use the names "Jill Jones" or "Sheila E.", nor to play the songs Prince had given them back them, nor to play any music at all? C'mon, it wouldn't cross your mind to say this, would it?

We're talking about human beings, professional musicians who decide to play music, solo or together. Who can blame them for doing this? You can like or dislike the results but you can't deny that professional musicians have a right to get together in a studio and compose music together.

BUT PRINCE MADE THAT ALBUM AND YOU SHOULDN'T EVEN BE LISTENING TO THESE PEOPLE UNLESS HE IS INVOLVED, IT'S WRONG, SHOCKINGLY WRONG.

NouveauDance said:

BUT PRINCE MADE THAT ALBUM AND YOU SHOULDN'T EVEN BE LISTENING TO THESE PEOPLE UNLESS HE IS INVOLVED, IT'S WRONG, SHOCKINGLY WRONG.

I hope you aer being sarcastic. If not.....

catpark said:

NouveauDance said:

See the countless other threads from about 18 months back for the same clap-trap by similar whiners.

andymacfunky said:

I think we should just judge fDeluxe where they are at now. To me, the bottom line is:

1. Gaslight is a strong album

2. The associated mixes are good

3. They are good musicians

4. They are putting on good shows with strong material (The Family, Madhouse, fDeluxe)

5. Powerful personalities on stage, clearly enjoying themselves and that energy passes through the audience.

Full credit to them. I'm glad they've got together and appreciate the music they're making.

Exactly. And may they continue to make music and perform together because they sound good and it works!

To the OP don't worry about it, you'll get over it.

Love it! This sums is up right here. Gaslight is one of the few albums I bought last year that I still listen to on a fairly regular basis. Excited to see them live. Wish The Time would get their shit together and tour the states with them. That would be a rockin show.

stillwaiting said:

It's funny how some people are all over the place on this one. How many have actually listened to both The Family and FDeluxe all the way through track by track more than 3 times? Well, I have, and the first album is pretty much a Prince album, but with valuable contributions from Eric, and The Family. I can't gauge David Z's actual involvement, as we all know there are issues with the credits on any Prince project.

The new FDeluxe album is mostly very good, with a few clunkers, but some good songs too. It just doesn't hold up to the first one very well. I'm not stuck in the past, this is just my opinion. I'm happy for FDeluxe, they proved they could do it without Prince, and the Prince ass kissers can be happy that they didn't do quite as well. I'm just happy to have both albums in my collection regardless of what anybody else thinks about them. Sadly, neither of the Family albums have really sold anything, but that's a whole different story.

The Time? Well, the first 3 Time albums are pretty much Prince and Morris. Pandemonium is a mix of real Time and Prince Time.

Condensate? Well, I'd say it is much better than I thought it would be, and honestly, better than FDeluxe, but if you think about having Jam, Lewis, Day, Johnson, and Moir as your songwriting team, you better hope you are better than FDeluxe. Better than Pandemonium? Probably. Better than the the first 3 time albums? No. Maybe almost as good as Ice Cream Castle, but even there, the only strike against Castle was it was sort of short when the music industry was starting to get to the point where many albums were over 40 minutes.

Too bad Jesse left the Time before we could get a tour with all original members. I'm afraid the tour would have been mostly old songs and a lot of medleys. It seems that the Time have copied Prince's favorite shortcut: Shortened songs. Damn shame. I hope The Time tour with or without Jesse, and play 4 or more new songs, and 10-12 classics. I hope they are up for that challenge, but I am scared they will succumb to Prince's short song disease. I doubt Morris would hire some female background singers to sing lead on 4 songs a night, but then again, Prince and Morris have been copying each other for years. The Time can still be the baddest band out there if that's what they want to be.

This post is so on point that I just have to say ...

BlaqueKnight said:

So, let me get this straight, Prince sang lead AND played horns on The Family's albums?

Where's the "like" button on the org? Well, I'll use this:

Plus as several have mentioned Prince didn't do all the writing and there were the strings added.

That said, Prince is definitely the primary player on The Family album, and he's the main creative force. Like I believe Mr. Leeds said, The Family could be considered a Prince album. That makes sense. Even on his own albums Prince doesn't perform all the instruments (in most cases) or sing all the vocals, yet he is the main creative force.

At the end of the day, let's just be grateful that such a great band as 'The Family' playing some of our favourite songs (regardless of who wrote or composed what) has got back together and hit the road for our listening pleasure. More power to them I say!

GaryMF said:

NouveauDance said:

BUT PRINCE MADE THAT ALBUM AND YOU SHOULDN'T EVEN BE LISTENING TO THESE PEOPLE UNLESS HE IS INVOLVED, IT'S WRONG, SHOCKINGLY WRONG.

I hope you aer being sarcastic. If not.....

am C-rius, Prince iz divine

NouveauDance said:

GaryMF said:

I hope you aer being sarcastic. If not.....

am C-rius, Prince iz divine

Well..... your choice of typing/spelling pretty much says it all doesn't. I didn't think anyone could be that far gone. Oh well. Enjoy.

LinnLM1 said:

So when Paul and Susannah and Jellybean and Eric Leeds get together - what's the excitement really about? They didn't create that album. Prince did. Honestly, they were nothing more than a cover band. Prince used them as a vehicle for an album of his tunes...

I wish it was a situation where those guys/gal had written that incredible album themselves and Prince had nothing to do with it. But that's not the case. So the excitement makes very little sense to me.

I get the sense that fans conveniently ignore the well-known fact that the group of people who made up The Family actually had nothing to do with "their" album.

...

That being said, Prince=The Family, not Paul P, Susannah, Jellybean, and Eric.

[Edited 1/27/12 9:10am]

Hmm...

So, by this logic, you're implying that, say, the Temptations and countless other Motown groups were nothing more than a cover 'band' for Smokey Robinson and the Funk Bros. Egad; David Ruffin, Eddie Kendricks, Otis, Paul et al didn't even *play*, they just *sung* So they're utterly worthless!

C'mon man!?!

GaryMF said:

NouveauDance said:

am C-rius, Prince iz divine

Well..... your choice of typing/spelling pretty much says it all doesn't. I didn't think anyone could be that far gone. Oh well. Enjoy.

GaryMF... ... really dude?? lmao

NouveauDance said:

GaryMF said:

I hope you aer being sarcastic. If not.....

am C-rius, Prince iz divine

C-rius Maybe I should change my orgname

JumpUpOnThe1 said:

GaryMF said:

Well..... your choice of typing/spelling pretty much says it all doesn't. I didn't think anyone could be that far gone. Oh well. Enjoy.

GaryMF... ... really dude?? lmao

Read this person's original comment esp the bolded part. ....... and you think I'm the one that deserves the fishlap??

NouveauDance said:

BUT PRINCE MADE THAT ALBUM AND YOU SHOULDN'T EVEN BE LISTENING TO THESE PEOPLE UNLESS HE IS INVOLVED, IT'S WRONG, SHOCKINGLY WRONG.

GaryMF said:

JumpUpOnThe1 said:

GaryMF... ... really dude?? lmao

Read this person's original comment esp the bolded part. ....... and you think I'm the one that deserves the fishlap??

NouveauDance said:

BUT PRINCE MADE THAT ALBUM AND YOU SHOULDN'T EVEN BE LISTENING TO THESE PEOPLE UNLESS HE IS INVOLVED, IT'S WRONG, SHOCKINGLY WRONG.

Do you still think the OP was serious ?

Serious said:

GaryMF said:

Read this person's original comment esp the bolded part. ....... and you think I'm the one that deserves the fishlap??

NouveauDance said:

BUT PRINCE MADE THAT ALBUM AND YOU SHOULDN'T EVEN BE LISTENING TO THESE PEOPLE UNLESS HE IS INVOLVED, IT'S WRONG, SHOCKINGLY WRONG.

Do you still think the OP was serious ?

I am pretty gullible so when I read that Princebonicss purple reply I thought maybe yes.

I hope i was just being dumb and he/she was joking!!!

Soweee! I was just having a laff! (I thought it was obvious, glad I could convince! )

The problem with the OP is that he presumes that the only reason any of us are interested in The Family is because Prince wrote the songs on the first album (bar River Run Dry).

God forbid a group of talented musicians and songwriters do something in their own right. What an outlandish concept, I say! </sarcasm>

Prince chose the members of The Family (like The Time) BECAUSE they were phenomenally talented people who he wanted to give an opportunity. So without his involvement - guess what, they are still phenomenally talented and they've made a great album on their own, and they are touring (and doing a damn fine job, the London show I saw was absolutely stellar). Therefore.... excitement.

NouveauDance said:

Soweee! I was just having a laff! (I thought it was obvious, glad I could convince! )

You got me!

Esp with the reply in purple Prince speak But like I said, I am pretty gullible

[Edited 2/2/12 6:52am]

NouveauDance said:

^ agreed also,

LinnLM1 said:

The Family's album is 100% Prince-created.

River Run Dry was written by Bobby Z.

LinnLM1 said:

how many times did The Family ever play live back in the day

One show at First Ave.

Everything else is See the countless other threads from about 18 months back for the same clap-trap by similar whiners.

Wendy played guitar

Jill Jones also sang back up

Screams of Passion video

LinnLM1 said:

This reunion is really odd. Why?

The Family's album is 100% Prince-created.

So when Paul and Susannah and Jellybean and Eric Leeds get together - what's the excitement really about? They didn't create that album. Prince did. Honestly, they were nothing more than a cover band. Prince used them as a vehicle for an album of his tunes. I'm not trying to be mean when I say that it's just happens to be excactly how it was/is. As Eric Leeds himself once said - The Family's album is as much of a Prince album as any album Prince ever released. And how many times did The Family ever play live back in the day. I know the never toured extensively. So, live, they were non-existent (unlike The Time).

I wish it was a situation where those guys/gal had written that incredible album themselves and Prince had nothing to do with it. But that's not the case. So the excitement makes very little sense to me.

I get the sense that fans conveniently ignore the well-known fact that the group of people who made up The Family actually had nothing to do with "their" album.

And lest anyone thinks I'm a Prince fanboy let me just say this: I am a lover of Prince's musical output from 1980-1987 BUT I also think, over the years, Prince has become a massive jerk. The guy was once someone who brought people of different colors and beliefs together and not he's become a quasi-Conservative with a very strict set of rules (and bizarre beliefs) that if you don't happen to agree with then he wants nothing to do with you. And I've no doubt that Paul, Susannah, Jellybean, and Eric are way better people than Prince is now.

That being said, Prince=The Family, not Paul P, Susannah, Jellybean, and Eric.

[Edited 1/27/12 9:10am]

They said themselve, they wanted to come together to pay homage to the Family they said they didn't want to do a Family part 2 album,

Shango said:

michelw said:

My thoughts on the reunion. The exitement of having Prince in the background (either vocals or instruments) is now missing, that makes it less interesting for me.

http://michelwillems.org/2012/01/23/the-family-vs-fdeluxe/

"...Recent videos of fDeluxe I could not find on the web, maybe it is meant that way..."

No, it's not meant that way

And so on, and so on, and so on

fdeluxe - YouTube

that version of Nothing Compares 2 U is played very similar to the original "Purple Rain souding studio cut they did" back in 1984

JumpUpOnThe1 said:

LinnLM1 said:

So when Paul and Susannah and Jellybean and Eric Leeds get together - what's the excitement really about? They didn't create that album. Prince did. Honestly, they were nothing more than a cover band. Prince used them as a vehicle for an album of his tunes...

I wish it was a situation where those guys/gal had written that incredible album themselves and Prince had nothing to do with it. But that's not the case. So the excitement makes very little sense to me.

I get the sense that fans conveniently ignore the well-known fact that the group of people who made up The Family actually had nothing to do with "their" album.

...

That being said, Prince=The Family, not Paul P, Susannah, Jellybean, and Eric.

[Edited 1/27/12 9:10am]

Hmm...

So, by this logic, you're implying that, say, the Temptations and countless other Motown groups were nothing more than a cover 'band' for Smokey Robinson and the Funk Bros. Egad; David Ruffin, Eddie Kendricks, Otis, Paul et al didn't even *play*, they just *sung* So they're utterly worthless!

C'mon man!?!

Are you comparing what The Temptations' brought to the table vocally to Paul Peterson simply singing his vocal part over Prince's exact vocal line (doing eactly as instructed)??? Seriously?

The Temptations were a vocal group (an amazing vocal group) - not a band. The Family were not a vocal group a la The Temptations. At the time the first Family album was released, they purported to be a band. Except that, as fans ultimately found out, they weren't. They were a fabrication. They were put together by Prince as a vehicle for a bunch of songs that he wrote and played the instruments on except for the sax (cause Prince doesn't play sax) and Claire's arrangements. And, frankly, you could easily remove the sax from those songs on the first Family album and replace them with synth lines and they'd still be great.

The Temptations brought something incredible to the table vocally - something that you couldn't get just any musician to replicate. All you have to do is listen to those records to know that The Temptations contributed something very special to those Motown songs.

The same cannot be said of Paul's, Sue's, Jellybean's, and Jerome's 'contribution' to The Family' first album. And they played a grand total of one live show for that album.

And all you have to do is listen to their latest album. Do you honestly think it even remotely compares to The Family's first album? You know there's no comparison.

LinnLM1 said:

JumpUpOnThe1 said:

Hmm...

So, by this logic, you're implying that, say, the Temptations and countless other Motown groups were nothing more than a cover 'band' for Smokey Robinson and the Funk Bros. Egad; David Ruffin, Eddie Kendricks, Otis, Paul et al didn't even *play*, they just *sung* So they're utterly worthless!

C'mon man!?!

Are you comparing what The Temptations' brought to the table vocally to Paul Peterson simply singing his vocal part over Prince's exact vocal line (doing eactly as instructed)??? Seriously?

The Temptations were a vocal group (an amazing vocal group) - not a band. The Family were not a vocal group a la The Temptations. At the time the first Family album was released, they purported to be a band. Except that, as fans ultimately found out, they weren't. They were a fabrication. They were put together by Prince as a vehicle for a bunch of songs that he wrote and played the instruments on except for the sax (cause Prince doesn't play sax) and Claire's arrangements. And, frankly, you could easily remove the sax from those songs on the first Family album and replace them with synth lines and they'd still be great.

The Temptations brought something incredible to the table vocally - something that you couldn't get just any musician to replicate. All you have to do is listen to those records to know that The Temptations contributed something very special to those Motown songs.

The same cannot be said of Paul's, Sue's, Jellybean's, and Jerome's 'contribution' to The Family' first album. And they played a grand total of one live show for that album.

And all you have to do is listen to their latest album. Do you honestly think it even remotely compares to The Family's first album? You know there's no comparison.

If you think you could remove the sax lines and have the same sound then you completely miss part of what made that album great. Eric's sax totally set that in another directions. He wrote the parts, Prince did nor. Period. so no matter how you grasp at straws it wil never be 100% Prince. SO you are imo dead wrong. What you also miss is that they DID play that show live and could have gone on tour had Prince not jammed them up. The fact is they PLAY. I like Paul's read on Nothing Comapare 2 U far better than Prince's cause Paul siongs mgrange smoother than Prince, and that works for that song. Do I think the new album is consistent and as enjoyable as the first. Absolutely. I actually think the songwriting is as stong and the production actually better in places. I've said it before - I loved the first album I made people sick of HEARING about it.

The Temps were indeed a grest vocal group. 18 year old Paul Peterson was ALSO a great singer. And the new album tells me how much I like Sussannah's voice cause Prince buried that in the mix of the first. Can't you just "not get it" and stop endlessly trying to prove something that will never be as true as you would like it to be? Facts are Prince wrote it (except one song) and played all instruments. Other facts are that Paul and Susannah sang it with their own mouths, Eric played Sax with his own lips and Clare Fisher made it sound like nothing before it. Is that SO hard to own up to?

Zannaloaf said:

LinnLM1 said:

Are you comparing what The Temptations' brought to the table vocally to Paul Peterson simply singing his vocal part over Prince's exact vocal line (doing eactly as instructed)??? Seriously?

The Temptations were a vocal group (an amazing vocal group) - not a band. The Family were not a vocal group a la The Temptations. At the time the first Family album was released, they purported to be a band. Except that, as fans ultimately found out, they weren't. They were a fabrication. They were put together by Prince as a vehicle for a bunch of songs that he wrote and played the instruments on except for the sax (cause Prince doesn't play sax) and Claire's arrangements. And, frankly, you could easily remove the sax from those songs on the first Family album and replace them with synth lines and they'd still be great.

The Temptations brought something incredible to the table vocally - something that you couldn't get just any musician to replicate. All you have to do is listen to those records to know that The Temptations contributed something very special to those Motown songs.

The same cannot be said of Paul's, Sue's, Jellybean's, and Jerome's 'contribution' to The Family' first album. And they played a grand total of one live show for that album.

And all you have to do is listen to their latest album. Do you honestly think it even remotely compares to The Family's first album? You know there's no comparison.

If you think you could remove the sax lines and have the same sound then you completely miss part of what made that album great. Eric's sax totally set that in another directions. He wrote the parts, Prince did nor. Period. so no matter how you grasp at straws it wil never be 100% Prince. SO you are imo dead wrong. What you also miss is that they DID play that show live and could have gone on tour had Prince not jammed them up. The fact is they PLAY. I like Paul's read on Nothing Comapare 2 U far better than Prince's cause Paul siongs mgrange smoother than Prince, and that works for that song. Do I think the new album is consistent and as enjoyable as the first. Absolutely. I actually think the songwriting is as stong and the production actually better in places. I've said it before - I loved the first album I made people sick of HEARING about it.

The Temps were indeed a grest vocal group. 18 year old Paul Peterson was ALSO a great singer. And the new album tells me how much I like Sussannah's voice cause Prince buried that in the mix of the first. Can't you just "not get it" and stop endlessly trying to prove something that will never be as true as you would like it to be? Facts are Prince wrote it (except one song) and played all instruments. Other facts are that Paul and Susannah sang it with their own mouths, Eric played Sax with his own lips and Clare Fisher made it sound like nothing before it. Is that SO hard to own up to?

Couldn't have said it better. And I have always thought Paul's voice is much smoother and richer than Prince's (I actually can't see how anyone CAN'T see that but tha'ts another story).

While I like the FDeluxe album, I do agree with the some of the "haters' that the original Family album is much better, but of course i've listened ot that 100's of time vs. a few of the new one.

Plus----and what the haters can't ever seem to comprehend---the 1st album IS largely Prince. So yeah, it's better. The part they don't get is that just because we also acknowledge the contributions of the other people (e.g. Paul, Susannah, Eric, etc.) that doesn't mean we don't also acknowledge the great contributions (and in the case extremely important) contributions by Prince.

As I've posted before on the stupid W&L/P threads. the 2 are NOT MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE!

Zannaloaf said:

If you think you could remove the sax lines and have the same sound then you completely miss part of what made that album great. Eric's sax totally set that in another directions. He wrote the parts, Prince did nor. Period. so no matter how you grasp at straws it wil never be 100% Prince. SO you are imo dead wrong. What you also miss is that they DID play that show live and could have gone on tour had Prince not jammed them up. The fact is they PLAY. I like Paul's read on Nothing Comapare 2 U far better than Prince's cause Paul siongs mgrange smoother than Prince, and that works for that song. Do I think the new album is consistent and as enjoyable as the first. Absolutely. I actually think the songwriting is as stong and the production actually better in places. I've said it before - I loved the first album I made people sick of HEARING about it.

The Temps were indeed a grest vocal group. 18 year old Paul Peterson was ALSO a great singer. And the new album tells me how much I like Sussannah's voice cause Prince buried that in the mix of the first. Can't you just "not get it" and stop endlessly trying to prove something that will never be as true as you would like it to be? Facts are Prince wrote it (except one song) and played all instruments. Other facts are that Paul and Susannah sang it with their own mouths, Eric played Sax with his own lips and Clare Fisher made it sound like nothing before it. Is that SO hard to own up to?

Too much truth there. You would get flamed off the org if this was posted in the M&M section. Its like telling them there's no Easter Bunny.

GaryMF said:

NouveauDance said:

Soweee! I was just having a laff! (I thought it was obvious, glad I could convince! )

You got me!

Esp with the reply in purple Prince speak But like I said, I am pretty gullible

[Edited 2/2/12 6:52am]

Ahh, you just have to read more NouveauDance posts, that's all

Oh, and uhh...it was more of a fish... "tap" anyway

BlaqueKnight said:

Zannaloaf said:

If you think you could remove the sax lines and have the same sound then you completely miss part of what made that album great. Eric's sax totally set that in another directions. He wrote the parts, Prince did nor. Period. so no matter how you grasp at straws it wil never be 100% Prince. SO you are imo dead wrong. What you also miss is that they DID play that show live and could have gone on tour had Prince not jammed them up. The fact is they PLAY. I like Paul's read on Nothing Comapare 2 U far better than Prince's cause Paul siongs mgrange smoother than Prince, and that works for that song. Do I think the new album is consistent and as enjoyable as the first. Absolutely. I actually think the songwriting is as stong and the production actually better in places. I've said it before - I loved the first album I made people sick of HEARING about it.

The Temps were indeed a grest vocal group. 18 year old Paul Peterson was ALSO a great singer. And the new album tells me how much I like Sussannah's voice cause Prince buried that in the mix of the first. Can't you just "not get it" and stop endlessly trying to prove something that will never be as true as you would like it to be? Facts are Prince wrote it (except one song) and played all instruments. Other facts are that Paul and Susannah sang it with their own mouths, Eric played Sax with his own lips and Clare Fisher made it sound like nothing before it. Is that SO hard to own up to?

Too much truth there. You would get flamed off the org if this was posted in the M&M section. Its like telling them there's no Easter Bunny.

Paul and Sue sang DIRECTLY over Prince's (already-recorded) vocal line. Not a lot to be proud of there.

If Paul's voice is so special why didn't he make it as a vocalist after The Family project imploded? Who was knocking down his door to hire him as their singer?

What did Eric do outside of Prince that was so earthshattering? The worst thing he did within the Prince organization is get Prince away from New Wave/rock/synths and steer him to Vegasy jazz horns in his music. Prince's music is worse for it.

And if you're citing the new fDeluxe album as proof that Paul and Co. can make great music on their own - well, all I can say is that it's you who needs to own up to the fact that it's an utterly mediocre, unremarkable album.

LinnLM1 said:

BlaqueKnight said:

Too much truth there. You would get flamed off the org if this was posted in the M&M section. Its like telling them there's no Easter Bunny.

Paul and Sue sang DIRECTLY over Prince's (already-recorded) vocal line. Not a lot to be proud of there.

If Paul's voice is so special why didn't he make it as a vocalist after The Family project imploded? Who was knocking down his door to hire him as their singer?

What did Eric do outside of Prince that was so earthshattering? The worst thing he did within the Prince organization is get Prince away from New Wave/rock/synths and steer him to Vegasy jazz horns in his music. Prince's music is worse for it.

And if you're citing the new fDeluxe album as proof that Paul and Co. can make great music on their own - well, all I can say is that it's you who needs to own up to the fact that it's an utterly mediocre, unremarkable album.

Dude- you need to grow up. You don't like the Family or fDeluxe- fine. You are entitled to your opinion.

You have shifted this thing all over the place from your initial post becuse people have posted sound retorts to what you have presented as "fact". Like I said earlier - a better post would have been more like " I hate anyone who is not Prince and his associates destroyed his sound". That is ALL you have said.

Go look at their individual careers and see the successes they have had. It's a google search away. You'll find you have no idea what you are tlaking about. MCA record deal not good enough for you? You revert back to their success is not as big as Prince - as if many artists are.

Eric did NOT bring a Vegas sound to Prince. Eric came out of the JB horn feel - that AIN'T Vegas. Vegas is more like the last 10 years and Prince has pushed the horns direction after Eric left. Again - I LOVE the new fDeluxe album - and lots and lots of reviews back my personal taste. I also think Paul sang BETTER over Prince's vocals..so that IS a good thing. But music is preference and that's all there is to it. Arguing likes and dislikes is one thing, appearing to have been party to a recording session is another thing entirely.

You refuse to accept actual fact and speak as if you were in those sessions and somehow have more knowledge than anyone on this site. Which makes you a post baiter and someone who wants to "win" rather than have a conversation. You appear to be an armchair critic who loves a narrow era of a musicians music. Why don't you stick to that and not bother posting in the associated artists forum if you are not interested in discussion or possibly learning something. Having to be right all the time is lonely.

[Edited 2/12/12 13:55pm]

Pomade said:

Blaming Eric Leeds for prince's musical decline is the funniest thing I've seen on this thread so far. Keep 'em comin'.

Seriously!