MickyDolenz said:

SoulAlive said:

When Lindsey Buckingham backed out of a Fleetwood Mac world tour in 1987, the band members were pissed but they ultimately hired two new members and went on about their business.The tour was a huge success.

That's not exactly the same thing. "Fleetwood Mac" doesn't state the number of members of a group, nor that it's the originals. Lindsey is not an original member of the band himself. "Original 7ven" means the original members of the group. "The Time" doesn't.

Some groups you can't replace members though. Paul & Ringo can't go out and get 2 other guys and call themselves The Beatles. That won't fly.

I agree,but let's be honest...The Time is not exactly on the Beatles' level They're not nearly as well known.Any 80s R&B band could replace a member and it wouldn't be a big deal.

As for your other point....yeah,the name would be the only obstacle for them,if they decided to proceed with a tour.

in retrospect,they really should have chosen another name.Flyte Tyme would have been perfect.

Wondering what O7 is supposed to post on their website at 7ven o'clock this evening...

SoulAlive said:

WonderU said:

That's some BS right there lol

No one can replace what Jesse brings to the band, the end.

Don't get me wrong,I like Jesse.He's an amazing guitarist.But if you look at every other 80s funk band,they don't have all the original members either.Hell,Earth Wind and Fire tours without Maurice White,their leader! And they still sellout arenas and have successful tours.I'm saying that if Morris and the guys truly wanted to tour,they could easily hire a new guitarist and go on about their business.Life goes on,you know

You're correct about replacing members. It's not a life or death situation. I think the issue is when does it go from being "The Original 7ven" to "Morris Day & the Time v2.0"? We've already got the alternate line-up with fill ins for the originals not involved.

HonestMan13 said:

SoulAlive said:

Don't get me wrong,I like Jesse.He's an amazing guitarist.But if you look at every other 80s funk band,they don't have all the original members either.Hell,Earth Wind and Fire tours without Maurice White,their leader! And they still sellout arenas and have successful tours.I'm saying that if Morris and the guys truly wanted to tour,they could easily hire a new guitarist and go on about their business.Life goes on,you know

You're correct about replacing members. It's not a life or death situation. I think the issue is when does it go from being "The Original 7ven" to "Morris Day & the Time v2.0"? We've already got the alternate line-up with fill ins for the originals not involved.

I think Morris Day and the Time will still be performing whether O7 continues to or not...

rdhull said:

L4OATheOriginal said:

two members of the O7 were fired and if ya wanna get technical, the one who just left the group has been a "memeber" for 30 years

and let's not talk about someone who drops promoting their recent work after two weeks now

Thats not even comparable, and neither is soulalives examples

Everyone was a cohesive unit for some time...here come 07 who aint did shit together in 21 years and after 2 days there are folks jumpin ship lol.

Aye I loveeeee 07 and The Time. More than yall ( I just havent been vocal about it over the years). Hell..I was just as jazzed or more that Jam and Lewis were back in the fold...Jesse was just the icing on a very cool staccato synth cake.

But this apologist attitude yall take is so fucking transparent especially after yalls years hear as basically Prince toll like haters criticising his every move but some boolshet happens with 07 and here yall go.."but its expected..oh this is not that bad..PRINCE IS STILL A JERK!" shit makes yall look like proverbial Fart Van Hemelin biased non-objective dumbasses/assholes

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Can you even understand this stupid shit you cackling on about?

purplethunder3121 said:

HonestMan13 said:

You're correct about replacing members. It's not a life or death situation. I think the issue is when does it go from being "The Original 7ven" to "Morris Day & the Time v2.0"? We've already got the alternate line-up with fill ins for the originals not involved.

I think Morris Day and the Time will still be performing whether O7 continues to or not...

All they have to do is take Tori from that group and add him to the reunion line-up.He obviously knows all the guitar parts that Jesse would have played

SoulAlive said:

in retrospect,they really should have chosen another name.Flyte Tyme would have been perfect.

Again, it was Jimmy Jam who explained why they didn't used Flyte Tyme because the names does not consist of the Original members. Its not a big deal ofcourse they have to move on and us fans are waiting but I still feel it will not be the same with Jesse no matter how much you or anyone here tries to downplay it.

purplethunder3121 said:

HonestMan13 said:

You're correct about replacing members. It's not a life or death situation. I think the issue is when does it go from being "The Original 7ven" to "Morris Day & the Time v2.0"? We've already got the alternate line-up with fill ins for the originals not involved.

I think Morris Day and the Time will still be performing whether O7 continues to or not...

The point is why bother to have 2 line-ups if neither consists of all original members. Let Morris Day & The Time either

-start playing the new material and move forward

-or keep playing their routine setlist and forget Condensate & The O7 name and move forward

Fans will still love them either way but why pay to see two bands perform almost identical setlists except for a track or two of the new music.

wonder505 said:

SoulAlive said:

in retrospect,they really should have chosen another name.Flyte Tyme would have been perfect.

Again, it was Jimmy Jam who explained why they didn't used Flyte Tyme because the names does not consist of the Original members. Its not a big deal ofcourse they have to move on and us fans are waiting but I still feel it will not be the same with Jesse no matter how much you or anyone here tries to downplay it.

I'm sure they could have found a more appropriate name that doesn't necessarily indicate that all the original members are involved...you know,to prepare themselves for an unexpected departure,whether it's Jesse or any other member.

Maybe if they had known, maybe the O7 could have went out on tour with Van Halen. VH is having Kool & The Gang open up for them.

MickyDolenz said:

Maybe if they had known, maybe the O7 could have went out on tour with Van Halen. VH is having Kool & The Gang open up for them.

Are you serious?? Kool and The Gang opening for Van Halen?!

I'd love for the 07 to do a tour with Cameo and Midnight Star.....a "package tour" foucusing on 80s R&B/funk.

Any news? It's 8:30 EST. I can't check FB ot Twitter at work.

HonestMan13 said:

Any news? It's 8:30 EST. I can't check FB ot Twitter at work.

Nope.

Just checked FB and someone posted, "it's after 7... what's up?"

Other than that, nothing.

chocolate1 said:

HonestMan13 said:

Any news? It's 8:30 EST. I can't check FB ot Twitter at work.

Nope.

Just checked FB and someone posted, "it's after 7... what's up?"

Other than that, nothing.

Yeah, isn't it 7 p.m. by Minnie time? Or are they going by west coast time???

SoulAlive said:

MickyDolenz said:

Maybe if they had known, maybe the O7 could have went out on tour with Van Halen. VH is having Kool & The Gang open up for them.

Are you serious?? Kool and The Gang opening for Van Halen?!

I'd love for the 07 to do a tour with Cameo and Midnight Star.....a "package tour" foucusing on 80s R&B/funk.

You must haven't seen the million recent Van Halen threads in the other section. I think Van Halen will draw a bigger audience than Cameo & Midnight Star. That's like a Tom Joyner cruise package.

purplethunder3121 said:

manray10 said:

purplethunder3121 said:

Yeah, isn't it 7 p.m. by Minnie time? Or are they going by west coast time???

These boys are testing my patience. It's time to fix your clock!

Half an hour left on the west coast... What time is it?!

manray10 said:

purplethunder3121 said:

Yeah, isn't it 7 p.m. by Minnie time? Or are they going by west coast time???

These boys are testing my patience. It's time to fix your clock!

MickyDolenz said:

SoulAlive said:

Are you serious?? Kool and The Gang opening for Van Halen?!

I'd love for the 07 to do a tour with Cameo and Midnight Star.....a "package tour" foucusing on 80s R&B/funk.

You must haven't seen the million recent Van Halen threads in the other section. I think Van Halen will draw a bigger audience than Cameo & Midnight Star. That's like a Tom Joyner cruise package.

I saw Kool & The Gang 10 years ago at a festival and they drew a bigger audience than

all of those bands and this was without JT Taylor. It was their universal appeal that drew

such a big audience. Not too sure if they could pull that feat off now.

SoulAlive said:

MickyDolenz said:

That's not exactly the same thing. "Fleetwood Mac" doesn't state the number of members of a group, nor that it's the originals. Lindsey is not an original member of the band himself. "Original 7ven" means the original members of the group. "The Time" doesn't.

Some groups you can't replace members though. Paul & Ringo can't go out and get 2 other guys and call themselves The Beatles. That won't fly.

I agree,but let's be honest...The Time is not exactly on the Beatles' level They're not nearly as well known.Any 80s R&B band could replace a member and it wouldn't be a big deal.

As for your other point....yeah,the name would be the only obstacle for them,if they decided to proceed with a tour.

If these people don't get that at this point they never will. There isn't one r&b band from the 70's or 80's still with all their core members from that period. Lakeside did it for awhile throughout the mid nineties but i don't think even they have all original members now. I know one of their original members passed recently.

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phunkdaddy said:

If these people don't get that at this point they never will. There isn't one r&b band from the 70's or 80's still with all their core members from that period. Lakeside did it for awhile throughout the mid nineties but i don't think even they have all original members now. I know one of their original members passed recently.

But those groups didn't change their names to signify they are the originals. They can't use the name "Original 7ven" with other members, because they wouldn't be original. There is a difference in being billed Lakeside and The Original Lakeside. The Rolling Stones don't have all of the original members, but they are not marketed as such and don't have a name that ties them down to any particular members. Now if a group is named after someone in it, then that person can't be replaced (Bon Jovi, Sade, Van Halen, Huey Lewis & The News, Brothers Johnson, etc.)

MickyDolenz said:

phunkdaddy said:

If these people don't get that at this point they never will. There isn't one r&b band from the 70's or 80's still with all their core members from that period. Lakeside did it for awhile throughout the mid nineties but i don't think even they have all original members now. I know one of their original members passed recently.

But those groups didn't change their names to signify they are the originals. They can't use the name "Original 7ven" with other members, because they wouldn't be original. There is a difference in being billed Lakeside and The Original Lakeside. The Rolling Stones don't have all of the original members, but they are not marketed as such and don't have a name that ties them down to any particular members. Now if a group is named after someone in it, then that person can't be replaced (Bon Jovi, Sade, Van Halen, Huey Lewis & The News, Brothers Johnson, etc.)

It doesn't matter really. Especially with Jesse, temporarily or permenantly, forfeiting his spot. Original 7ven might have been intended to represent the original bandmembers of The Time, but it doesn't have to represent that going forward. Ever heard of the r&b group The Originals? What did that mean? The Original what? Did it ever matter to anyone? No. What did BoyzIIMen mean really? Again it doesn't matter to anyone, right?

MickyDolenz said:

phunkdaddy said:

If these people don't get that at this point they never will. There isn't one r&b band from the 70's or 80's still with all their core members from that period. Lakeside did it for awhile throughout the mid nineties but i don't think even they have all original members now. I know one of their original members passed recently.

But those groups didn't change their names to signify they are the originals. They can't use the name "Original 7ven" with other members, because they wouldn't be original.There is a difference in being billed Lakeside and The Original Lakeside. The Rolling Stones don't have all of the original members, but they are not marketed as such and don't have a name that ties them down to any particular members. Now if a group is named after someone in it, then that person can't be replaced (Bon Jovi, Sade, Van Halen, Huey Lewis & The News, Brothers Johnson, etc.)

Who says they can't? It's just a name. There aren't any legal ramifications that i'm aware of if

they decided to replace a member or two. They could have left the Original off and just named

the band 7ven to keep fans from getting all testy. I've never seen a band cause fans(Prince stans in particular) to have a shit fit over original members or the band's name.

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Anything for the tweety pies yet?

phunkdaddy said:

I've never seen a band cause fans to have a fit over original members

I take it you don't know about David Lee Roth vs Sammy Hagar (Van Halen) or Peter Gabriel vs Phil Collins (Genesis). This is nothing compared to that, especially with Van Halen. Especially since they're more well known than The Time. Some Rolling Stones fans say that they weren't as good after Brian Jones.

The problem is the name. They gave interviews and put out a DVD saying "Original 7ven" is the original members to differentiate themselves from "Morris Day and The Time" which are not the originals, but are still performing. It's like saying The Original Jackson 5, but having Rebbie in Michael's place. If the O7 were called something else, then there is not as big a problem with anyone quitting. But as it stands now, it would be false advertising to say they are "original" when they have replacements. Like having a can of soda with "Classic Coke" printed on the outside, but containing "New Coke".

HonestMan13 said:

Well, 7ven p.m. came and went in every time zone and yet all we hear from the O7 is

HonestMan13 said:

That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever read from a group with so much crap hanging in the air! The fans want to know what is up with the line-up! It's been over 2 weeks since Jesse Johnson made his statements on Facebook.

wonder505 said:

SoulAlive said:

in retrospect,they really should have chosen another name.Flyte Tyme would have been perfect.

Again, it was Jimmy Jam who explained why they didn't used Flyte Tyme because the names does not consist of the Original members. Its not a big deal ofcourse they have to move on and us fans are waiting but I still feel it will not be the same with Jesse no matter how much you or anyone here tries to downplay it.

I agree, which is why I'm upset with him. The name thing, on the other hand doesn't faze me at all.

It seems like we've gotten all we're gonna get though...nothing left to do except play my Condensate cd on repeat.