BlaqueKnight said:

dandeeland said:

This definately shows there was no real committment from these guys. THATS why Prince did not back it. Everyone was dogging prince and now we see Prince was the smart one afterall. They were never serious at all

What in the hell are you cackling about?

The record was released. Its good. It did not need Prince's input nor his approval.

dandeeland said:

This definately shows there was no real committment from these guys. THATS why Prince did not back it. Everyone was dogging prince and now we see Prince was the smart one afterall. They were never serious at all

No,it shows that there was "no real commitment" from one member.Don't blame the other guys They didn't walk away from this project.The only thing that matters is that we got a brilliant album from them.

BlaqueKnight said:

dandeeland said:

This definately shows there was no real committment from these guys. THATS why Prince did not back it. Everyone was dogging prince and now we see Prince was the smart one afterall. They were never serious at all

What in the hell are you cackling about?

The record was released. Its good. It did not need Prince's input nor his approval.

Exactly.I find it funny how some folks are saying things like "Prince is the smart one"...as if he hasn't had his own share of similiar problems with band members bitterly departing his bands (Andre Cymone,Dez Dickerson.BrownMark,etc...or Levi Seacer suing him for unpaid royalties,etc).

This kinda stuff happens all the time with musicians....bitter feuds,artistic differences,lawsuits,etc.

SoulAlive said:

BlaqueKnight said:

What in the hell are you cackling about?

The record was released. Its good. It did not need Prince's input nor his approval.

Exactly.I find it funny how some folks are saying things like "Prince is the smart one"...as if he hasn't had his own share of similiar problems with band members bitterly departing his bands (Andre Cymone,Dez Dickerson.BrownMark,etc...or Levi Seacer suing him for unpaid royalties,etc).

This kinda stuff happens all the time with musicians....bitter feuds,artistic differences,lawsuits,etc.

They never left before even half the promotion was completed

Dez and them were there for YEARS before splitting.

rdhull said:

SoulAlive said:

Exactly.I find it funny how some folks are saying things like "Prince is the smart one"...as if he hasn't had his own share of similiar problems with band members bitterly departing his bands (Andre Cymone,Dez Dickerson.BrownMark,etc...or Levi Seacer suing him for unpaid royalties,etc).

This kinda stuff happens all the time with musicians....bitter feuds,artistic differences,lawsuits,etc.

They never left before even half the promotion was completed

Dez and them were there for YEARS before splitting.

two members of the O7 were fired and if ya wanna get technical, the one who just left the group has been a "memeber" for 30 years

and let's not talk about someone who drops promoting their recent work after two weeks now

rdhull said:

SoulAlive said:

Exactly.I find it funny how some folks are saying things like "Prince is the smart one"...as if he hasn't had his own share of similiar problems with band members bitterly departing his bands (Andre Cymone,Dez Dickerson.BrownMark,etc...or Levi Seacer suing him for unpaid royalties,etc).

This kinda stuff happens all the time with musicians....bitter feuds,artistic differences,lawsuits,etc.

They never left before even half the promotion was completed

Dez and them were there for YEARS before splitting.

but the fact remains: musicians leave bands,they feud with other members,there are ego trips and other dramas.Hell,in 1987,Lindsey Buckingham backed out of a Fleetwood Mac tour.....a few weeks before the tour was to begin! I could list numerous other examples,lol.

Vanity left the Prince camp just before 'Purple Rain' was to be filmed.

St. Paul left the Family only a few months after the album was released.

L4OATheOriginal said:

rdhull said:

They never left before even half the promotion was completed

Dez and them were there for YEARS before splitting.

two members of the O7 were fired and if ya wanna get technical, the one who just left the group has been a "memeber" for 30 years

and let's not talk about someone who drops promoting their recent work after two weeks now

Thats not even comparable, and neither is soulalives examples

Everyone was a cohesive unit for some time...here come 07 who aint did shit together in 21 years and after 2 days there are folks jumpin ship lol.

Aye I loveeeee 07 and The Time. More than yall ( I just havent been vocal about it over the years). Hell..I was just as jazzed or more that Jam and Lewis were back in the fold...Jesse was just the icing on a very cool staccato synth cake.

But this apologist attitude yall take is so fucking transparent especially after yalls years hear as basically Prince toll like haters criticising his every move but some boolshet happens with 07 and here yall go.."but its expected..oh this is not that bad..PRINCE IS STILL A JERK!" shit makes yall look like proverbial Fart Van Hemelin biased non-objective dumbasses/assholes

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but you know what,though? No musician is irreplaceable.Jesse is great,but if they really wanted to tour without him,it wouldn't be that big a deal.

SoulAlive said:

but you know what,though? No musician is irreplaceable.Jesse is great,but if they really wanted to tour without him,it wouldn't be that big a deal.

SoulAlive said:

but you know what,though? No musician is irreplaceable.Jesse is great,but if they really wanted to tour without him,it wouldn't be that big a deal.

stop reducing the situation to something trivial when yall built it up more than 07 themselves...be men and admit its a fucked up situation

rdhull said:

L4OATheOriginal said:

two members of the O7 were fired and if ya wanna get technical, the one who just left the group has been a "memeber" for 30 years

and let's not talk about someone who drops promoting their recent work after two weeks now

Thats not even comparable, and neither is soulalives examples

Everyone was a cohesive unit for some time...here come 07 who aint did shit together in 21 years and after 2 days there are folks jumpin ship lol.

Aye I loveeeee 07 and The Time. More than yall ( I just havent been vocal about it over the years). Hell..I was just as jazzed or more that Jam and Lewis were back in the fold...Jesse was just the icing on a very cool staccato synth cake.

But this apologist attitude yall take is so fucking transparent especially after yalls years hear as basically Prince toll like haters criticising his every move but some boolshet happens with 07 and here yall go.."but its expected..oh this is not that bad..PRINCE IS STILL A JERK!" shit makes yall look like proverbial Fart Van Hemelin biased non-objective dumbasses/assholes

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I understand what you mean. People here who are always critical towards Prince are very different when it comes to the associated artists and somehow they believe they are balanced in their views when they are just as bad as the Prince worshippers but on the oppositve spectrum. What is funny too is when people offer a different view that may not support the associated artist they get bent out of shape, like their feelings are hurt or something as if you don't have a right to an opinion that is critical of them, but when they tear prince apart they claim their right to their opinion too and balk at being criticized for it.

The only problem i have with the O7 over this fiasco is a problem that is selfish, because I so wanted to watch history and see all original members perform. After watching the DVD I would have never seen this coming so early. I hope they will go on to tour regardless but damn, not having Jesse there, no matter who the replacement is just won't be the same, but I will still pay top dollar and go. Maybe I will catch jesse if he ever comes to my town another time. Either way I do agree that at least we got a kick ass CD out of it which I still have on constant repeat!!

wonder505 said:

rdhull said:

Thats not even comparable, and neither is soulalives examples

Everyone was a cohesive unit for some time...here come 07 who aint did shit together in 21 years and after 2 days there are folks jumpin ship lol.

Aye I loveeeee 07 and The Time. More than yall ( I just havent been vocal about it over the years). Hell..I was just as jazzed or more that Jam and Lewis were back in the fold...Jesse was just the icing on a very cool staccato synth cake.

But this apologist attitude yall take is so fucking transparent especially after yalls years hear as basically Prince toll like haters criticising his every move but some boolshet happens with 07 and here yall go.."but its expected..oh this is not that bad..PRINCE IS STILL A JERK!" shit makes yall look like proverbial Fart Van Hemelin biased non-objective dumbasses/assholes

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I understand what you mean. People here who are always critical towards Prince are very different when it comes to the associated artists and somehow they believe they are balanced in their views when they are just as bad as the Prince worshippers but on the oppositve spectrum. What is funny too is when people offer a different view that may not support the associated artist they get bent out of shape, like their feelings are hurt or something as if you don't have a right to an opinion that is critical of them, but when they tear prince apart they claim their right to their opinion too and balk at being criticized for it.

The only problem i have with the O7 over this fiasco is a problem that is selfish, because I so wanted to watch history and see all original members perform. After watching the DVD I would have never seen this coming so early. I hope they will go on to tour regardless but damn, not having Jesse there, no matter who the replacement is just won't be the same, but I will still pay top dollar and go. Maybe I will catch jesse if he ever comes to my town another time. Either way I do agree that at least we got a kick ass CD out of it which I still have on constant repeat!!

The double standards are irksome but Imma leave it alone.

This whole O7 drama really caught me off guard too, not knowing much about Jesse's history with the fellas, I was really thrown off and taken aback.

If we are selfish for wanting to see Jesse and the guys work this thing out and give Condensate the promotion it deserves with ALL of them together, then I will plead guilty too.

The whole of the O7 really is greater than the sum of its parts to me at least, and I was hopeful that Jesse would see the project through even if he doesn't hang around after that.

I will certainly support them if they move on without Jesse, but I agree it wouldn't be the same.

rdhull said:

SoulAlive said:

but you know what,though? No musician is irreplaceable.Jesse is great,but if they really wanted to tour without him,it wouldn't be that big a deal.

stop reducing the situation to something trivial when yall built it up more than 07 themselves...be men and admit its a fucked up situation

If Morris Day decided to walk away from this project,that would mean the end of the band.You can't easily "replace" a lead singer.But Jesse is a guitarist....a great guitarist,mind you,but he can be replaced.Bands replace musicians all the time.Trust me,this is not the great big "tragedy" that you're making it out to be

chocolate1 said:

SoulAlive said:

but you know what,though? No musician is irreplaceable.Jesse is great,but if they really wanted to tour without him,it wouldn't be that big a deal.

I don't think the typical fan would refuse to go see them just because they have a different guitarist

SoulAlive said:

Bands replace musicians all the time.Trust me,this is not the great big "tragedy" that you're making it out to be

Surely the issue is the name of the band i.e. the Original 7ven - without jesse the name is inaccurate and misleading. It beggars the question why they chose it.

Of course Jesse can be replaced - but what about the band name - are they goona change that again and, if not, how can they reconcile this going forward..?

SoulAlive said:

rdhull said:

stop reducing the situation to something trivial when yall built it up more than 07 themselves...be men and admit its a fucked up situation

If Morris Day decided to walk away from this project,that would mean the end of the band.You can't easily "replace" a lead singer.But Jesse is a guitarist....a great guitarist,mind you,but he can be replaced.Bands replace musicians all the time.Trust me,this is not the great big "tragedy" that you're making it out to be

I think it was Jimmy Jam who said it himself, when you see "Original 7ven" fans will know its all the original members. Yes I know big deal Jesse can be replaced but if it wasn't that important I don't think Jimmy Jam would have made that point.

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I guess the wait will be over tomorrow at 7.

SoulAlive said:

but you know what,though? No musician is irreplaceable.Jesse is great,but if they really wanted to tour without him,it wouldn't be that big a deal.

That's some BS right there lol

No one can replace what Jesse brings to the band, the end.

rdhull said:

L4OATheOriginal said:

two members of the O7 were fired and if ya wanna get technical, the one who just left the group has been a "memeber" for 30 years

and let's not talk about someone who drops promoting their recent work after two weeks now

Thats not even comparable, and neither is soulalives examples

Everyone was a cohesive unit for some time...here come 07 who aint did shit together in 21 years and after 2 days there are folks jumpin ship lol.

Aye I loveeeee 07 and The Time. More than yall ( I just havent been vocal about it over the years). Hell..I was just as jazzed or more that Jam and Lewis were back in the fold...Jesse was just the icing on a very cool staccato synth cake.

But this apologist attitude yall take is so fucking transparent especially after yalls years hear as basically Prince toll like haters criticising his every move but some boolshet happens with 07 and here yall go.."but its expected..oh this is not that bad..PRINCE IS STILL A JERK!" shit makes yall look like proverbial Fart Van Hemelin biased non-objective dumbasses/assholes

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[Edited 1/6/12 7:03am]

this coming from someone still sucking on the proverbial blinders about 6/7/58 ..yeah ur making sense there ..NOT

so in ending i'll say 2 u

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WonderU said:

SoulAlive said:

but you know what,though? No musician is irreplaceable.Jesse is great,but if they really wanted to tour without him,it wouldn't be that big a deal.

That's some BS right there lol

No one can replace what Jesse brings to the band, the end.

They know it but wont be man enough to admit it etc. None of these jokers will/are. And that means you Wall, L4TO, Alex, bartholemew, etc etc..They're used to jizzing about Madonna and Associated artists on a Prince forum.

What a cognitive dissonance..awesome!

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L4OATheOriginal said:

rdhull said:

Thats not even comparable, and neither is soulalives examples

Everyone was a cohesive unit for some time...here come 07 who aint did shit together in 21 years and after 2 days there are folks jumpin ship lol.

Aye I loveeeee 07 and The Time. More than yall ( I just havent been vocal about it over the years). Hell..I was just as jazzed or more that Jam and Lewis were back in the fold...Jesse was just the icing on a very cool staccato synth cake.

But this apologist attitude yall take is so fucking transparent especially after yalls years hear as basically Prince toll like haters criticising his every move but some boolshet happens with 07 and here yall go.."but its expected..oh this is not that bad..PRINCE IS STILL A JERK!" shit makes yall look like proverbial Fart Van Hemelin biased non-objective dumbasses/assholes

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[Edited 1/6/12 7:03am]

this coming from someone still sucking on the proverbial blinders about 6/7/58 ..yeah ur making sense there ..NOT

so in ending i'll say 2 u

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The prince asskissing thing is such a poor display of retort when "you know you done fucked up, right."

Man up next time.

Can't we all just get along(at least until 7ven pm EST)?

rdhull said:

L4OATheOriginal said:

this coming from someone still sucking on the proverbial blinders about 6/7/58 ..yeah ur making sense there ..NOT

so in ending i'll say 2 u

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The prince asskissing thing is such a poor display of retort when "you know you done fucked up, right."

Man up next time.

oh and ur a man? right ur just another one of those that wanna put someone on a pedestal and light candles around praising everything they do cause in ur eyes they can do no wrong. am i upset about jesse leaving? yeah i am but is it gonna stop my foot from being placed in front of the other? NOPE.

funny as always when those that shed light on situations the rose color glassers don't wanna remove from their face are then "retorted" back as a hater or lack of manhood, when in fact rdhull ur a boy trying 2 be hard but u FAILED son. ur not gonna stop my voice and the other ones u named dropped.

Jesse touring with D'Angelo is not really a problem except it comes on the heels of him making some comments about not playing with O7 into the future, because he did not agree with them on anything. It did not appear that O7 was making any money , so I was not expecting them to do any promotion for the album other than the BET stuff. I read every article, watched every interview and always had the impression that Jimmy Jam was in pitchman mode and a lot of his statements about future tour plans were the result of him fishing for deals and having some difficulty finding them.

I'm not mad at Jesse because I think he NEEDED money and I believe he has a better chance of getting it working with someone who appeals to a younger audience. Though potential ticket buyers should be aware, both D'Angelo and Jesse have a history of walking out on their obligations. But if Jesse felt O7 was a losing situation for him, he was correct in moving on.

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WonderU said:

SoulAlive said:

but you know what,though? No musician is irreplaceable.Jesse is great,but if they really wanted to tour without him,it wouldn't be that big a deal.

That's some BS right there lol

No one can replace what Jesse brings to the band, the end.

Don't get me wrong,I like Jesse.He's an amazing guitarist.But if you look at every other 80s funk band,they don't have all the original members either.Hell,Earth Wind and Fire tours without Maurice White,their leader! And they still sellout arenas and have successful tours.I'm saying that if Morris and the guys truly wanted to tour,they could easily hire a new guitarist and go on about their business.Life goes on,you know

80spfantwp said:

SoulAlive said:

Surely the issue is the name of the band i.e. the Original 7ven - without jesse the name is inaccurate and misleading. It beggars the question why they chose it.

Of course Jesse can be replaced - but what about the band name - are they goona change that again and, if not, how can they reconcile this going forward..?

I agree....the name thing would be the only obstacle if they decided to tour with a new guitarist.But I'm sure they could get around it somehow.

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wonder505 said:

SoulAlive said:

If Morris Day decided to walk away from this project,that would mean the end of the band.You can't easily "replace" a lead singer.But Jesse is a guitarist....a great guitarist,mind you,but he can be replaced.Bands replace musicians all the time.Trust me,this is not the great big "tragedy" that you're making it out to be

I think it was Jimmy Jam who said it himself, when you see "Original 7ven" fans will know its all the original members. Yes I know big deal Jesse can be replaced but if it wasn't that important I don't think Jimmy Jam would have made that point.

Yes,Jimmy said that but guess what? Shit happens In life,you gotta roll with the punches and move on.When Lindsey Buckingham backed out of a Fleetwood Mac world tour in 1987,the band members were pissed but they ultimately hired two new members and went on about their business.The tour was a huge success.

SoulAlive said:

When Lindsey Buckingham backed out of a Fleetwood Mac world tour in 1987, the band members were pissed but they ultimately hired two new members and went on about their business.The tour was a huge success.

That's not exactly the same thing. "Fleetwood Mac" doesn't state the number of members of a group, nor that it's the originals. Lindsey is not an original member of the band himself. "Original 7ven" means the original members of the group. "The Time" doesn't.

Some groups you can't replace members though. Paul & Ringo can't go out and get 2 other guys and call themselves The Beatles. That won't fly.