runawayslave said:

phunkdaddy said:

These guys actually care enough about their fans.

Is that why it took over 20 years for fans to get a proper studio album?

Oh well, it would have been nice to hear a little acknowledgement of what Prince has meant to all of their careers. They thoroughly address all of the negative things from their Prince association. Morris seems to still have a problem with Prince and sounded like he didnt like how Jesse launched his solo career. And whose Grammy awards is he sitting in front of - he never got one. Maybe those are Jam and Lewis' trophies.

they don't need to kiss Prince's ass anymore.They have been very kind and respectful when they talk about how he helped them at the beginning.If they sound bitter about certain things,they have every right to be.We all know that Prince can be a total prick at times.That's no big secret He likes to control people and when he can't,he retaliates.

SoulAlive said:

runawayslave said:

Is that why it took over 20 years for fans to get a proper studio album?

Oh well, it would have been nice to hear a little acknowledgement of what Prince has meant to all of their careers. They thoroughly address all of the negative things from their Prince association. Morris seems to still have a problem with Prince and sounded like he didnt like how Jesse launched his solo career. And whose Grammy awards is he sitting in front of - he never got one. Maybe those are Jam and Lewis' trophies.

they don't need to kiss Prince's ass anymore.They have been very kind and respectful when they talk about how he helped them at the beginning.If they sound bitter about certain things,they have every right to be.We all know that Prince can be a total prick at times.That's no big secret He likes to control people and when he can't,he retaliates.

Indeed, there was plenty of acknowledgement and respect shown. It's just that the fellas are straight shooters who don't talk in riddles,

It was a great idea to release the dvd with the cd since it marks an important departure from the past situation and re-introduces the O7 on their own terms. At the same time it showcases the fact that P was working with massive talent that has gone unrecognized for far too long for a variety of reasons.

SoulAlive said:

runawayslave said:

Is that why it took over 20 years for fans to get a proper studio album?

Oh well, it would have been nice to hear a little acknowledgement of what Prince has meant to all of their careers. They thoroughly address all of the negative things from their Prince association. Morris seems to still have a problem with Prince and sounded like he didnt like how Jesse launched his solo career. And whose Grammy awards is he sitting in front of - he never got one. Maybe those are Jam and Lewis' trophies.

they don't need to kiss Prince's ass anymore.They have been very kind and respectful when they talk about how he helped them at the beginning.If they sound bitter about certain things,they have every right to be.We all know that Prince can be a total prick at times.That's no big secret He likes to control people and when he can't,he retaliates.

I really hate 2 agree.....but I must. None of the old crew from Minny are friends with Prince in 2011. That says it ALL.

runawayslave said:

phunkdaddy said:

These guys actually care enough about their fans.

Is that why it took over 20 years for fans to get a proper studio album?

Oh well, it would have been nice to hear a little acknowledgement of what Prince has meant to all of their careers. They thoroughly address all of the negative things from their Prince association. Morris seems to still have a problem with Prince and sounded like he didnt like how Jesse launched his solo career. And whose Grammy awards is he sitting in front of - he never got one. Maybe those are Jam and Lewis' trophies.

You didn't listen to the dvd with open ears. The guys acknowledged Prince and stated that if he

listened they think he would be proud of the cd and what he taught them. Why wouldn't they

address the bs with Prince. They acknowledged the good and bad. It's only right they told the

truth. Morris didn't have a problem with Jesse. He simply stated he heard that Jesse had a

solo deal in the works which made it even easier for him to bounce since Jesse was the only

one left in the band he felt really close to. The truth is Morris left before Jesse and once Morris

left Jesse went solo too. Prince is/was a genius and he was instrumental in jump starting these guys career but it's time to stop acting as though O7/The Time weren't talented in their own right.

I respect some of you guys standing up for P but i think a few take their defense of P way

too far.

Graycap23 said:

babynoz said:

I finally stopped playing the cd long enough to watch the dvd and I gotta tell ya, it's a fan's dream.

They tell the back-story behind the tours, the music, their youth, their influences, their kinship and the making of Condensate. No fronting or posing...just a bunch of down to earth dudes kickin' it. I'm so happy for them and glad that they sat down to give us this gem. I laughed out loud several times. The MLK III story is priceless!

They are obviously thrilled to be reunited, presenting some of their best work and it shows. The enthusiams is contagious and it makes you feel like hanging with them would be hella fun.

That DVD was worth the $$

YES.

The O7 did us all a service by being so open and candid about the past. They gave Prince his props and also displayed their dismay

at how some things went down. Love this DVD , watched it twice.

Morris had me rolling when he was talking about how he thought he was going to be Princes drummer, but P already had Bobby Z. Morris says.. "Bobby Z aint got shit on me on his best day"---LOL.

The DVD confirms so many of the "stories" we all have heard thru the years.

Looking forward to seeing the O7 live!

These guys have a unique "chemistry" and they are right when they say they brought the group to life even thought P wrote all the early music (with morris at times). The new songs aint too bad either. DVD is must see!

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thepope2the9s said:

The O7 did us all a service by being so open and candid about the past. They gave Prince his props and also displayed their dismay

at how some things went down. Love this DVD , watched it twice.

Morris had me rolling when he was talking about how he thought he was going to be Princes drummer, but P already had Bobby Z. Morris says.. "Bobby Z aint got shit on me on his best day"---LOL.

The DVD confirms so many of the "stories" we all have heard thru the years.

Looking forward to seeing the O7 live!

These guys have a unique "chemistry" and they are right when they say they brought the group to life even thought P wrote all the early music (with morris at times). The new songs aint too bad either. DVD is must see!

[Edited 10/25/11 10:47am]

The Alexander O'Neal story had me rollin!!! I need "paper!"

wonder505 said:

thepope2the9s said:

The O7 did us all a service by being so open and candid about the past. They gave Prince his props and also displayed their dismay

at how some things went down. Love this DVD , watched it twice.

Morris had me rolling when he was talking about how he thought he was going to be Princes drummer, but P already had Bobby Z. Morris says.. "Bobby Z aint got shit on me on his best day"---LOL.

The DVD confirms so many of the "stories" we all have heard thru the years.

Looking forward to seeing the O7 live!

These guys have a unique "chemistry" and they are right when they say they brought the group to life even thought P wrote all the early music (with morris at times). The new songs aint too bad either. DVD is must see!

[Edited 10/25/11 10:47am]

The Alexander O'Neal story had me rollin!!! I need "paper!"

Yeah, the Alexander O'Neal story was hillarious!!! So was the Bobby Z Comment; But don't forget the Jesse story about Terry and MLK III saying "I don't care who he is, he gotta get the f#ck outta here with that pipe!!!!"

Terry: "Who is up in here smoking; dude with the pipe is gonna have to go"
Jesse: "Terry, this is Martin Luther King the Third"
Terry: "I don't give a fuck if its King Tut, this mutha fucka better get up out of the room with that pipe"

Greatest DocuDVD Everrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The stories alone are worth the price of the set.

[Edited 10/26/11 2:16am]

that DVD is priceless Alot of funny stories.

BlaqueKnight said:

Terry: "Who is up in here smoking; dude with the pipe is gonna have to go"
Jesse: "Terry, this is Martin Luther King the Third"
Terry: "I don't give a fuck if its King Tut, this mutha fucka better get up out of the room with that pipe"

Greatest DocuDVD Everrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The stories alone are worth the price of the set.

[Edited 10/26/11 2:16am]

i'm surprised that u didn't post ur review on the album. u seem 2 know ur music very seriously

but if u did i apologize if i can't remember

L4OATheOriginal said:

BlaqueKnight said:

Terry: "Who is up in here smoking; dude with the pipe is gonna have to go"
Jesse: "Terry, this is Martin Luther King the Third"
Terry: "I don't give a fuck if its King Tut, this mutha fucka better get up out of the room with that pipe"

Greatest DocuDVD Everrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The stories alone are worth the price of the set.

[Edited 10/26/11 2:16am]

i'm surprised that u didn't post ur review on the album. u seem 2 know ur music very seriously

but if u did i apologize if i can't remember

I didn't.

I'm diggin' the whole disc except for "Hey Yo."

You know, I noticed that if you watch Jesse...I mean REALLY watch Jesse, his mannerisms and the way that he speaks are very similar to Prince. Its natural, too. Its not something he does deliberately. His line from "Free World" makes a bit of sense - "Nobody likes the way I hold my mic, they say its too much like my friend"
I can see that. It had to be a bit irritating for Jesse throughout his career. People think he's imitating when he's just being himself.

[Edited 10/26/11 8:04am]

BlaqueKnight said:

L4OATheOriginal said:

i'm surprised that u didn't post ur review on the album. u seem 2 know ur music very seriously

but if u did i apologize if i can't remember

I didn't.

I'm diggin' the whole disc except for "Hey Yo."

You know, I noticed that if you watch Jesse...I mean REALLY watch Jesse, his mannerisms and the way that he speaks are very similar to Prince. Its natural, too. Its not something he does deliberately. His line from "Free World" makes a bit of sense - "Nobody likes the way I hold my mic, they say its too much like my friend"
I can see that. It had to be a bit irritating for Jesse throughout his career. People think he's imitating when he's just being himself.

[Edited 10/26/11 8:04am]

totally see that point and in fact if u remember the movie soul man with c thomas howell how the boy at the dinner table is CLEARLY watching the video for I wanna be your man but when he imagines it in real time c thomas hall is dressed like prince

BlaqueKnight said:

L4OATheOriginal said:

i'm surprised that u didn't post ur review on the album. u seem 2 know ur music very seriously

but if u did i apologize if i can't remember

I didn't.

I'm diggin' the whole disc except for "Hey Yo."

You know, I noticed that if you watch Jesse...I mean REALLY watch Jesse, his mannerisms and the way that he speaks are very similar to Prince. Its natural, too. Its not something he does deliberately. His line from "Free World" makes a bit of sense - "Nobody likes the way I hold my mic, they say its too much like my friend"
I can see that. It had to be a bit irritating for Jesse throughout his career. People think he's imitating when he's just being himself.

[Edited 10/26/11 8:04am]

Jesse is just incredible!! He's a beast!

I also thought that about Jesse. I went to their show last week, and he is the one that reminds me of P. He played a very nice set too.

Jesse said on the DVD that they weren't even with the same women that they started out with, but the band's relationship has perservered. He said that's a real true piece of love. Morris said to Jesse, "I was wondering where you were going with that".

wonder505 said:

BlaqueKnight said:

I didn't.

I'm diggin' the whole disc except for "Hey Yo."

You know, I noticed that if you watch Jesse...I mean REALLY watch Jesse, his mannerisms and the way that he speaks are very similar to Prince. Its natural, too. Its not something he does deliberately. His line from "Free World" makes a bit of sense - "Nobody likes the way I hold my mic, they say its too much like my friend"
I can see that. It had to be a bit irritating for Jesse throughout his career. People think he's imitating when he's just being himself.

[Edited 10/26/11 8:04am]

Jesse is just incredible!! He's a beast!

I tell ya, Jesse is kicking my ass on the cd...

I have picked up on the similarity in mannerisms from time to time also. Even in the new vid, Jesse with the hat on reminds me of P at the RRHOF.

My two Gemini brothas in action.

Peeps should make every effort to get the dvd...it's a real treat.

sosgemini said:

^^The joy, happiness and brotherhood in that video almost made me weep cause all I could think about is how sad it is that Prince lives in his big white mansion and refuses to play with his friends.

I hope you are joking

I enjoyed the documentary, you can tell those guys had a good time putting this project together.

phunkdaddy said:

runawayslave said:

Is that why it took over 20 years for fans to get a proper studio album?

Oh well, it would have been nice to hear a little acknowledgement of what Prince has meant to all of their careers. They thoroughly address all of the negative things from their Prince association. Morris seems to still have a problem with Prince and sounded like he didnt like how Jesse launched his solo career. And whose Grammy awards is he sitting in front of - he never got one. Maybe those are Jam and Lewis' trophies.

You didn't listen to the dvd with open ears. The guys acknowledged Prince and stated that if he

listened they think he would be proud of the cd and what he taught them. Why wouldn't they

address the bs with Prince. They acknowledged the good and bad. It's only right they told the

truth. Morris didn't have a problem with Jesse. He simply stated he heard that Jesse had a

solo deal in the works which made it even easier for him to bounce since Jesse was the only

one left in the band he felt really close to. The truth is Morris left before Jesse and once Morris

left Jesse went solo too. Prince is/was a genius and he was instrumental in jump starting these guys career but it's time to stop acting as though O7/The Time weren't talented in their own right.

I respect some of you guys standing up for P but i think a few take their defense of P way

too far.

We plainly took something different from it all. I detected some sarcasm in the way Morris talked about how he learned that Jesse was leaving. Who is acting like they are not talented in their own right? I know I never said that.

THe whole truth would be all seven acknowledging that Prince put them on the map. Jam and Lewis seem to have no problem admitting that.

runawayslave said:

phunkdaddy said:

You didn't listen to the dvd with open ears. The guys acknowledged Prince and stated that if he

listened they think he would be proud of the cd and what he taught them. Why wouldn't they

address the bs with Prince. They acknowledged the good and bad. It's only right they told the

truth. Morris didn't have a problem with Jesse. He simply stated he heard that Jesse had a

solo deal in the works which made it even easier for him to bounce since Jesse was the only

one left in the band he felt really close to. The truth is Morris left before Jesse and once Morris

left Jesse went solo too. Prince is/was a genius and he was instrumental in jump starting these guys career but it's time to stop acting as though O7/The Time weren't talented in their own right.

I respect some of you guys standing up for P but i think a few take their defense of P way

too far.

We plainly took something different from it all. I detected some sarcasm in the way Morris talked about how he learned that Jesse was leaving. Who is acting like they are not talented in their own right? I know I never said that.

THe whole truth would be all seven acknowledging that Prince put them on the map. Jam and Lewis seem to have no problem admitting that.

what part of the documentary did they NOT acknowledge their involvement with Prince? can u point out where this is so i can watch it again and concur with ur findings?

runawayslave said:

THe whole truth would be all seven acknowledging that Prince put them on the map. Jam and Lewis seem to have no problem admitting that.

They DID acknowledge that Prince put them on the map. What you seem to want them to say that they can't do anything without Prince but that is simply not true. They have all been successful. Prince was wrong about Jimmy & Terry. Jesse said that Prince said "watch, we'll never hear from those guys again"

Yeah, that happened.

Everyone owes their success to someone else - even Prince. Prince didn't get his own record deal. What's funny is that everybody thinks Prince played everything on the first two Time records but Morris said that he played drums on those records.

Morris credited Prince for convincing him to sing, and perform. The band did give credit. I don't know how anyone is missing that. I love me some P, and I don't think the DVD was a diss fest. The guys were just telling what happened, & giving their own version.

There is no "Time" history without Prince, so it would be impossible to not name-drop him throughout.

On one hand, Prince put the band together, wrote all of their music and made them famous.

On the other hand -- and where the band is coming from -- he paid them next-to-nothing, held them back from growing as artists, and eventually fired some and caused others to quit. Then 30 years blocks them from using the name The Time.

It was really cool seeing the guys in their element. They completely acknowledge Prince's role in their early success, but also make a concerted effort to make it clear that Prince is in their past. I love hearing Morris' stories about the early days, and even cursing (yes, it was nice to hear cursing from an adult man). And, another thing that was hilarious to me was that Morris didn't know what to call this new project: CD, album, record . . .

One thing to watch for in the DVD: not once do they play a clip of old Prince, Time, or Vanity music. They show old performance video, but with samples from the new CD playing. Obviously some copyright issues being avoided there.

The DVD is a treat, and it's nice to hear the Minneapolis sound done again and done well.

Se7en said:

There is no "Time" history without Prince, so it would be impossible to not name-drop him throughout.

On one hand, Prince put the band together, wrote all of their music and made them famous.

On the other hand -- and where the band is coming from -- he paid them next-to-nothing, held them back from growing as artists, and eventually fired some and caused others to quit. Then 30 years blocks them from using the name The Time.

It was really cool seeing the guys in their element. They completely acknowledge Prince's role in their early success, but also make a concerted effort to make it clear that Prince is in their past. I love hearing Morris' stories about the early days, and even cursing (yes, it was nice to hear cursing from an adult man). And, another thing that was hilarious to me was that Morris didn't know what to call this new project: CD, album, record . . .

One thing to watch for in the DVD: not once do they play a clip of old Prince, Time, or Vanity music. They show old performance video, but with samples from the new CD playing. Obviously some copyright issues being avoided there.

The DVD is a treat, and it's nice to hear the Minneapolis sound done again and done well.

Jesse wrote Jungle Love....

PAPAROBBIE said:

Se7en said:

There is no "Time" history without Prince, so it would be impossible to not name-drop him throughout.

On one hand, Prince put the band together, wrote all of their music and made them famous.

On the other hand -- and where the band is coming from -- he paid them next-to-nothing, held them back from growing as artists, and eventually fired some and caused others to quit. Then 30 years blocks them from using the name The Time.

It was really cool seeing the guys in their element. They completely acknowledge Prince's role in their early success, but also make a concerted effort to make it clear that Prince is in their past. I love hearing Morris' stories about the early days, and even cursing (yes, it was nice to hear cursing from an adult man). And, another thing that was hilarious to me was that Morris didn't know what to call this new project: CD, album, record . . .

One thing to watch for in the DVD: not once do they play a clip of old Prince, Time, or Vanity music. They show old performance video, but with samples from the new CD playing. Obviously some copyright issues being avoided there.

The DVD is a treat, and it's nice to hear the Minneapolis sound done again and done well.

Jesse wrote Jungle Love....

He and Morris have co-writing credits, but Prince (Jamie Starr) is the main writer.

It's Time to let it be said in the documantary..No disrespect to the purple one..but he's human and humans have flaws...Their doing it up ..RIGHT....you work for pennies and you cant get nothing out of it ...the rights to the Time name should suffice!

Se7en said:

PAPAROBBIE said:

Jesse wrote Jungle Love....

He and Morris have co-writing credits, but Prince (Jamie Starr) is the main writer.

This might clear it up:

According to Susan Rogers, "JUNGLE LOVE was a song that was written by Jesse. In 1983 when I first went to work for Prince, Jesse and I did some work together in Prince’s home studio while he was out at Sunset Sound. Jesse cut some demos on his own, and one of the songs he cut was "Jungle Love", which Prince then took and used for The Time.”

Prince did MOST of the writing for The Time, but various songs were written by Lisa, Dez and others. Just wanted to set the record straight.

madhouseman said:

Se7en said:

He and Morris have co-writing credits, but Prince (Jamie Starr) is the main writer.

This might clear it up:

According to Susan Rogers, "JUNGLE LOVE was a song that was written by Jesse. In 1983 when I first went to work for Prince, Jesse and I did some work together in Prince’s home studio while he was out at Sunset Sound. Jesse cut some demos on his own, and one of the songs he cut was "Jungle Love", which Prince then took and used for The Time.”

Prince did MOST of the writing for The Time, but various songs were written by Lisa, Dez and others. Just wanted to set the record straight.

You can tell Jungle Love is a Jesse track. Doesn's sound like anything The Time (or Prince) had ever done. But does sound similar to Jesse tracks like Free World (the drum track) and has his signature cowbell.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

madhouseman said:

This might clear it up:

According to Susan Rogers, "JUNGLE LOVE was a song that was written by Jesse. In 1983 when I first went to work for Prince, Jesse and I did some work together in Prince’s home studio while he was out at Sunset Sound. Jesse cut some demos on his own, and one of the songs he cut was "Jungle Love", which Prince then took and used for The Time.”

Prince did MOST of the writing for The Time, but various songs were written by Lisa, Dez and others. Just wanted to set the record straight.

You can tell Jungle Love is a Jesse track. Doesn's sound like anything The Time (or Prince) had ever done. But does sound similar to Jesse tracks like Free World (the drum track) and has his signature cowbell.

I want the full live version from the Purple Rain movie. That version had some extra kick to it.