MusicMann99 said:

Now that Alan Leeds is speaking out as well on his FB, Im sure JILL JONES is speaking of what P is doing to THE FAMILY / FDELUXE..........I didnt think she is some bitter ex who has nothing else better to say but in fact she is still in touch with those she once associated with at Pailey Park and Warner Bros................................Jill knows more than any of will ever know.

I agree...

Spinlight said:

Shorty said:

you're in here reading everyword but...we gotta mind our own bisiness.

step out bud...step out

No, you and your creepy crew that obsess over associated artists on Facebook are just ridiculous. Get a grip. It's beyond absurd to immerse yourself that deeply into Princeworld. You sit here and overanalyze the words of people whose lives you vicariously live through as if you have any say - or should have any say. Just because you have a right to free speech in the US doesn't mean you must use it at every possible turn.

Again, this bizarre douchebaggery only happens with a certain group of people here on the org and you all really need to reevaluate how much you deeply invest in the lives of other people.

I get your point some take it to extremes, but in terms of investing their lives in other people it smacks of hypocrisy seeing as you seem to be the orger that spends the most time in here of anyone I know

Just saying....and no I don't expect an esewell type rant from you in response....prove that you aren't like him.

TheFreakerFantastic said:

Spinlight said:

No, you and your creepy crew that obsess over associated artists on Facebook are just ridiculous. Get a grip. It's beyond absurd to immerse yourself that deeply into Princeworld. You sit here and overanalyze the words of people whose lives you vicariously live through as if you have any say - or should have any say. Just because you have a right to free speech in the US doesn't mean you must use it at every possible turn.

Again, this bizarre douchebaggery only happens with a certain group of people here on the org and you all really need to reevaluate how much you deeply invest in the lives of other people.

I get your point some take it to extremes, but in terms of investing their lives in other people it smacks of hypocrisy seeing as you seem to be the orger that spends the most time in here of anyone I know

Just saying....and no I don't expect an esewell type rant from you in response....prove that you aren't like him.

How does my time spent on Prince.org relate to this thread whatsoever? Is that what you fall back on? Grandiose exaggerations and trying to take my inventory? LOL... I'm not the one spying on people's facebooks.

2elijah said:

dreamer4now said:

Agreed; we've gotten too engaged in announcing everything on FB & all over cyberspace. We've turned into carnival barkers, announcing ad nauseum and having personal conversations publicly.

Which is why I chose not to have an FB page, because too much personal info gets displayed on there, along with jilted ex's using it as a weapon to hurt/undermine one another. No thanks, not worth it.

[Edited 5/17/11 18:14pm]

Spinlight said:

TheFreakerFantastic said:

I get your point some take it to extremes, but in terms of investing their lives in other people it smacks of hypocrisy seeing as you seem to be the orger that spends the most time in here of anyone I know

Just saying....and no I don't expect an esewell type rant from you in response....prove that you aren't like him.

How does my time spent on Prince.org relate to this thread whatsoever? Is that what you fall back on? Grandiose exaggerations and trying to take my inventory? LOL... I'm not the one spying on people's facebooks.

Well you were talking about how people shouldn't invest their time in other people's lives, you have chosen to invest yours in discussing Prince on the internet., so you are doing the same as they are really, just sayin

I don't have a facebook account and I've never been on Jill's sites so I'm not spying on anyone.

I agree that a public facebook page is not the forum to show concern for his life; especially if she has added Prince fans to it, she's not showing concern she's making comments to get attention. If she really cared she would contact him directly.

I love her music with Prince (her other stuff i don't like) but I agree with the opinion on here that these comments have an ulterior motive. If it was a private Fbook page to her friends fair enough, but it isn't, its populated by Prince fans, so she presumably would have known it would get attention.

TheFreakerFantastic said:

Spinlight said:

How does my time spent on Prince.org relate to this thread whatsoever? Is that what you fall back on? Grandiose exaggerations and trying to take my inventory? LOL... I'm not the one spying on people's facebooks.

Well you were talking about how people shouldn't invest their time in other people's lives, you have chosen to invest yours in discussing Prince on the internet., so you are doing the same as they are really, just sayin

I don't have a facebook account and I've never been on Jill's sites so I'm not spying on anyone.

I agree that a public facebook page is not the forum to show concern for his life; especially if she has added Prince fans to it, she's not showing concern she's making comments to get attention. If she really cared she would contact him directly.

I love her music with Prince (her other stuff i don't like) but I agree with the opinion on here that these comments have an ulterior motive. If it was a private Fbook page to her friends fair enough, but it isn't, its populated by Prince fans, so she presumably would have known it would get attention.

Naturally, the majority of the people posting in this thread must lack cognitive skills or critical thinking because anyone can plainly observe the lack of context. So rather than pile up the insults on Jill Jones (and me, for that matter), it might be the wiser thing to focus on yourselves because jibberjabbering about JJ is taking attention away from that.

wonder505 said:

BlaqueKnight said:

Hey, I'm not trying to take anyone's "opinion" away from them. Sheeesh. I don't care. Don't get mad at me because I don't value your opinion as much as you do. That's life. Get over it.

My point is she left one sentence and people are getting bent out of shape over it. Right to critique? Sure. Right to opinions? Sure. Nowhere in ANY of my posts does it say that people don't have a right to their opinions. I NEVER SAID THAT.

Mad? Are you kidding? oh please. I could care less if you value my opinion or not. and btw, the wackjobs you refer to goes both ways, including those who are fanatical of their hate/disdain for Prince or those who defend him.

[Edited 5/20/11 11:05am]

So true!! Wonder505

While I am at it... so many people on the org make my skin crawl ; that's why I make so few posts & comments.. GEEZ!!!

sosgemini said:

Cute! youareoneofthem:)

[Edited 5/21/11 8:33am]

kgarcia863 said:

sosgemini said:

Cute! youareoneofthem:)

[Edited 5/21/11 8:33am]

Here's the deal. This site is an online community. It's not a worshipping site for Prince. And just because I don't like his current music it doesn't mean that I don't love a huge portion of his back catalog. It's not my problem that you can't learn to agree to disagree and love life.

Spinlight said:

Seriously, will you people get the fuck over it and mind your own business. Let people discuss their own fucking lives, stop overanalyzing someone else's life. Focus on your own life.

...As you tell others how to live theirs, right? It's a vicious circle we live on here!

I think the point is that she needs to get the fuck over it and keep his name out of her mouth since they no longer have any sort of relationship. We're on a Prince site, so things said about him elsewhere will be discussed.

She's the obsessed one who keeps making passive/aggressive posts about him. She has NO reason to talk crap about him now, except that she's a Bitter Betty stirring her Bitter Batter.

Serena said:

Spinlight said:

Seriously, will you people get the fuck over it and mind your own business. Let people discuss their own fucking lives, stop overanalyzing someone else's life. Focus on your own life.

...As you tell others how to live theirs, right? It's a vicious circle we live on here!

I think the point is that she needs to get the fuck over it and keep his name out of her mouth since they no longer have any sort of relationship. We're on a Prince site, so things said about him elsewhere will be discussed.

She's the obsessed one who keeps making passive/aggressive posts about him. She has NO reason to talk crap about him now, except that she's a Bitter Betty stirring her Bitter Batter.

Or she's commenting on an incident that happened to her friends.

Iseriously doubt JJ would have said anything about prince if she was up on stage performing and making$$$$ right alone side with him.

Serena said:

Spinlight said:

Seriously, will you people get the fuck over it and mind your own business. Let people discuss their own fucking lives, stop overanalyzing someone else's life. Focus on your own life.

...As you tell others how to live theirs, right? It's a vicious circle we live on here!

I think the point is that she needs to get the fuck over it and keep his name out of her mouth since they no longer have any sort of relationship. We're on a Prince site, so things said about him elsewhere will be discussed.

She's the obsessed one who keeps making passive/aggressive posts about him. She has NO reason to talk crap about him now, except that she's a Bitter Betty stirring her Bitter Batter.

How do you know? You have zero concept of their interactions, as you should.

acjohns said:

Iseriously doubt JJ would have said anything about prince if she was up on stage performing and making$$$$ right alone side with him.

Like Shiela E? I hinted at this in another thread but I am really starting to lose respect for Sheila E. for continuing to put up with his BS.

sosgemini said:

acjohns said:

Iseriously doubt JJ would have said anything about prince if she was up on stage performing and making$$$$ right alone side with him.

Like Shiela E? I hinted at this in another thread but I am really starting to lose respect for Sheila E. for continuing to put up with his BS.

how would you possibly know that she puts up with his BS? Are you privy to their private conversations or have first hand account of the nature of their friendship?

sosgemini said:

acjohns said:

Iseriously doubt JJ would have said anything about prince if she was up on stage performing and making$$$$ right alone side with him.

Like Shiela E? I hinted at this in another thread but I am really starting to lose respect for Sheila E. for continuing to put up with his BS.

Yeah. Asking her and her family to open for him for multiple shows and get their music out to a larger audience must suck!

Militant said:

BlaqueKnight said:

Um, because in life, people tend not to like that kind of thing? How can you say "So what if she was trying to stir up shit?" on one hand, and then complain on the other that people are upset about it? What kind of random assbackwards logic is that?

It's troubling because masquerading angry and bitter feelings under the guise of "caring" is unpleasant. Am I saying that's DEFINITELY what she's doing? No. But there's enough people who do believe that to make it worth acknowledging their point. And it's troubling to ME personally because Jill's smart enough to know exactly what's gonna happen when making vague, flawed statements about someone that's appreciated and loved by millions of people, and I like Jill. I don't want to see people slamming her, the same way I don't want to see her, or anyone else slamming Prince. I'm not personally upset or offended about anything she's said. But I totally get why some people might be. That's their prerogative - so if there's nothing wrong with her "trying to stir up shit"... then surely, you would believe that there's nothing wrong with people getting upset and attacking her for it. But clearly, you don't. So which is it?

I personally don't find any merit in what she said. She's projecting her own life views and assuming the same applies to everyone else. That's a lack of self-awareness. And claiming he has nobody that means enough to him to stop doing what he does....... what? By that judgement he would have never had ANYONE that meant a lot to him, and it's pretty clear that both Mayte and Manuela did, otherwise he would not have married them.

Clearly to Jill, having someone that means a lot to you, means.......that you don't play long shows regularly? That you don't work hard? I don't get that. Like I said, she assumes that Prince's views, outlooks and ideals match her own. Clearly they don't. We know what happens when Prince has someone that means a lot to him. He works even harder writing loads of songs, look at "Emancipation", the entire middle disc is about Mayte pretty much. That's his expression. That's what he does. Again - Prince would NOT be doing what he does if it didn't make him happy.

Prince made it very difficult for people associated with him to get any credit or respect because he took claim of it all early on. Its not surprizing that she might be a bit resentful if she feels she was slighted by him or if she feels or knows that he has been blocking her career moves. Matthew Knowles is proof of how easily someone in the position can do that.

I'm not on her facebook page. I don't know what she puts on her wall or whatever. I do know that fanbots go absolutely batshit crazy whenever she or Mani or any of Prince's past lovers say anything. It is instantly turned into a negative and they are tongue-lashed to hell for it.

That signifies idolworship and it says more about the nutty fans than it does about them.

I'm not disputing that. She's clearly been resentful in the past. I don't think she would even deny that herself. How is that relevant? Are you agreeing that these comments are fueled by those negative feelings, justified or otherwise? It seems that way otherwise why bring it up? And if that's the case, you're agreeing with the very same "wackjobs" and "fanbots" that you claim to be against.

And no, it's not about "idolworship" and "nutty fans". That WOULD be a valid point if you assume that these people are completely unaware of what happens when you say something negative about a person with a massive fanbase. They know that because like you said - it happens regularly. They all know damn well what's gonna happen. It's not some new phenomenon. Spark some debate, get some tongues wagging, whatever, but it's cause and effect. They know the effect. They caused it. I happen to know for a FACT that some former associates simply refuse to talk about Prince at all because they know anything slightly negative might cause a backlash and people will view them as not moving on with their lives. Surely that is the more mature option?

You guys write a lot

HonestMan13 said:

My thoughts are based on her own interview were she admited to changing her own schedule to wait around in case he wants her to perform. Based on her own discription, it appears that she has to but her career on hold just in case he calls. It came off like he was highly unprofessional.
.

I've more or less shot my load as far as my thoughts on this, but is there any ACTUAL evidence that what Jill said has ANYTHING to do with The Family's situation, or is that just some random idea some of you negative folks pulled straight out of your ass?

Because the two quotes posted - which is what I understood we were discussing - have zero to do with The Family, they are just regarding Prince playing long shows and aftershow jams... which as Jill should know herself.... is precisely what he's been doing for decades.

I fail to see the connection. And I'm not on Jill's facebook so I can't see if her comments were a response to anybody else mentioning The Family, but surely if that were the case it would have been brought up before the end of the 5th page of this thread.

sosgemini said:

Not sure which interview you are referring to, but in the past Sheila has tweeted that Prince typically calls on her to perform. If she doesn't have something else going on, she accepts. In another interview I saw that she said that regarding this 21 night stand, she is trying to keep the 3 days at the end of the week open so that she can be available if he wants her there. But that was only for the 21 night stand. I don't think that she perpetually changes her schedule to suit Prince's needs. Apparently this is working for the both of them, especially since she is getting the opportunity to promote the E Family project. She also tweeted that she and Prince went bike riding together on Thursday before the San Jose show, so I would also venture to say that she is happy with him as a friend and fellow musician.

PurpleChi said:

sosgemini said:

My thoughts are based on her own interview were she admited to changing her own schedule to wait around in case he wants her to perform. Based on her own discription, it appears that she has to but her career on hold just in case he calls. It came off like he was highly unprofessional. .

Not sure which interview you are referring to, but in the past Sheila has tweeted that Prince typically calls on her to perform. If she doesn't have something else going on, she accepts. In another interview I saw that she said that regarding this 21 night stand, she is trying to keep the 3 days at the end of the week open so that she can be available if he wants her there. But that was only for the 21 night stand. I don't think that she perpetually changes her schedule to suit Prince's needs. Apparently this is working for the both of them, especially since she is getting the opportunity to promote the E Family project. She also tweeted that she and Prince went bike riding together on Thursday before the San Jose show, so I would also venture to say that she is happy with him as a friend and fellow musician.

Thank you.

PurpleChi said:

sosgemini said:

My thoughts are based on her own interview were she admited to changing her own schedule to wait around in case he wants her to perform. Based on her own discription, it appears that she has to but her career on hold just in case he calls. It came off like he was highly unprofessional. .

Not sure which interview you are referring to, but in the past Sheila has tweeted that Prince typically calls on her to perform. If she doesn't have something else going on, she accepts. In another interview I saw that she said that regarding this 21 night stand, she is trying to keep the 3 days at the end of the week open so that she can be available if he wants her there. But that was only for the 21 night stand. I don't think that she perpetually changes her schedule to suit Prince's needs. Apparently this is working for the both of them, especially since she is getting the opportunity to promote the E Family project. She also tweeted that she and Prince went bike riding together on Thursday before the San Jose show, so I would also venture to say that she is happy with him as a friend and fellow musician.

I agree you can see it either way.

sosgemini said:

kgarcia863 said:

Cute! youareoneofthem:)

[Edited 5/21/11 8:33am]

Here's the deal. This site is an online community. It's not a worshipping site for Prince. And just because I don't like his current music it doesn't mean that I don't love a huge portion of his back catalog. It's not my problem that you can't learn to agree to disagree and love life.

Just because I don't agree with you , DOES NOT mean that I worship PRINCE!

kgarcia863 said:

sosgemini said:

Here's the deal. This site is an online community. It's not a worshipping site for Prince. And just because I don't like his current music it doesn't mean that I don't love a huge portion of his back catalog. It's not my problem that you can't learn to agree to disagree and love life.

Just because I don't agree with you , DOES NOT mean that I worship PRINCE!

My bad...but you get my point, right? It's all cool.

SoulAlive said:

I could be totally wrong about this,but I think that Jill Jones feels alot of bitterness towards Prince.Some of it may be justified.Even though she can actually sing,her career was never a priority for Prince.He kept her on the back burner from 1982-1987,allowing her to only be a backup vocalist while Prince focused on other proteges.He placed her in two of his movies but she didn't even get to perform in either one (the "Love Machine" sequence in GB featured Jill lip-syncing to vocals by Elisa Fiorilla).

When her album was finally released in 1987,it received no promotion.A second album was cancelled but Jill wasn't able to get out of her Paisley Park Records contract.To make ends meet,she had to take a job as a backup vocalist for the disco band Chic.I think she feels that Prince held her back and kept her from reaching her full potential as an artist.

right. and I imagine with Jill being a mom... possibly single mom ?? (not sure of her marital status etc), but I got the impression that she fell on some hard times trying to provide for her children and the anger about Prince holding her from reaching her greatest potential by not releasing her music or letting her out of contract had to be amplified by her struggle to survive and provide for her family.

That is why I said before Jill would probably reached her potential had she been a protegee of Rick James and Teena Marie. Jill did sing on many Teena Marie earlier albums and also I think she sang on Teena Marie's former protegee band Ozone first album as well (heck her picture was on one of their singles). I noticed they treated their protegees better than Prince treat majority of his. The reason why she wasnt their protegee even though she at least knew Teena Marie before she knew Prince is uncertain. But my speculation is that Jill had seen the star potential of Prince and plus with his 1999 crossover and her involvement of the album with the singing, she want to be star of her own with Prince help. Rick and Teena were popular among the R&B crowd and since Jill is part African American maybe she didnt want to limited herself as an R&B artist as Prince didnt want to be only know as a funk artist but again who knows.

Jill had the looks and the voice and she played instruments and songwriting. She had a perfect image. She can act too. Had Prince release her album in 1984 that woman would have been big I dont see why not. Sheila E, The Time, and even Appollonia who wasnt talent as Jill in voice wise and muscican all blew up. Shoot I think her album should came out in 1983 just to escape the mass release of 1984. Prince did had the material that wasnt the problem. But again she wasn't his top priority. I think she should had bounce by seeking other music talent instead of waited around when she realized Prince was ignoring her around 1985 as he continued to push back her album and had she left that time she would still had potential to become a star since her image was already known to the public thanks to 1999 and Purple Rain. I am sure Teena Marie and even some other hot producers at the time like Nile Rodgers or even Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis would helped her career.

Her biggest crime was she trusted Prince the Pimp, Prince the Playa too much and was too patient in return Prince did her dirty four times.

[Edited 5/23/11 1:48am]

Spinlight said:

Shorty said:

you're in here reading everyword but...we gotta mind our own bisiness.

step out bud...step out

No, you and your creepy crew that obsess over associated artists on Facebook are just ridiculous. Get a grip. It's beyond absurd to immerse yourself that deeply into Princeworld. You sit here and overanalyze the words of people whose lives you vicariously live through as if you have any say - or should have any say. Just because you have a right to free speech in the US doesn't mean you must use it at every possible turn.

Again, this bizarre douchebaggery only happens with a certain group of people here on the org and you all really need to reevaluate how much you deeply invest in the lives of other people.

Mr. Knowitall. Look in the mirror pal, you are projecting.

ladygirl99 said:

That is why I said before Jill would probably reached her potential had she been a protegee of Rick James and Teena Marie. Jill did sing on many Teena Marie earlier albums and also I think she sang on Teena Marie's former protegee band Ozone first album as well (heck her picture was on one of their singles). I noticed they treated their protegees better than Prince treat majority of his. The reason why she wasnt their protegee even though she at least knew Teena Marie before she knew Prince is uncertain. But my speculation is that Jill had seen the star potential of Prince and plus with his 1999 crossover and her involvement of the album with the singing, she want to be star of her own with Prince help. Rick and Teena were popular among the R&B crowd and since Jill is part African American maybe she didnt want to limited herself as an R&B artist as Prince didnt want to be only know as a funk artist but again who knows.

Jill had the looks and the voice and she played instruments and songwriting. She had a perfect image. She can act too. Had Prince release her album in 1984 that woman would have been big I dont see why not. Sheila E, The Time, and even Appollonia who wasnt talent as Jill in voice wise and muscican all blew up. Shoot I think her album should came out in 1983 just to escape the mass release of 1984. Prince did had the material that wasnt the problem. But again she wasn't his top priority. I think she should had bounce by seeking other music talent instead of waited around when she realized Prince was ignoring her around 1985 as he continued to push back her album and had she left that time she would still had potential to become a star since her image was already known to the public thanks to 1999 and Purple Rain. I am sure Teena Marie and even some other hot producers at the time like Nile Rodgers or even Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis would helped her career.

Her biggest crime was she trusted Prince the Pimp, Prince the Playa too much and was too patient in return Prince did her dirty four times.

[Edited 5/23/11 1:48am]

Jill wasn't thinking with her head. That was her biggest mistake

Just curious... what were the 4 times? I know one was her part in Purple Rain, and the other was her diminished part in Grafitti Bridge. I am guessing the 3rd time was not releasing her music but holding her to contract. Am I correct? What was the 4th incident.

[Edited 5/23/11 11:10am]

ladygirl99 said:

That is why I said before Jill would probably reached her potential had she been a protegee of Rick James and Teena Marie. Jill did sing on many Teena Marie earlier albums and also I think she sang on Teena Marie's former protegee band Ozone first album as well (heck her picture was on one of their singles). I noticed they treated their protegees better than Prince treat majority of his. The reason why she wasnt their protegee even though she at least knew Teena Marie before she knew Prince is uncertain. But my speculation is that Jill had seen the star potential of Prince and plus with his 1999 crossover and her involvement of the album with the singing, she want to be star of her own with Prince help. Rick and Teena were popular among the R&B crowd and since Jill is part African American maybe she didnt want to limited herself as an R&B artist as Prince didnt want to be only know as a funk artist but again who knows.

Jill had the looks and the voice and she played instruments and songwriting. She had a perfect image. She can act too. Had Prince release her album in 1984 that woman would have been big I dont see why not. Sheila E, The Time, and even Appollonia who wasnt talent as Jill in voice wise and muscican all blew up. Shoot I think her album should came out in 1983 just to escape the mass release of 1984. Prince did had the material that wasnt the problem. But again she wasn't his top priority. I think she should had bounce by seeking other music talent instead of waited around when she realized Prince was ignoring her around 1985 as he continued to push back her album and had she left that time she would still had potential to become a star since her image was already known to the public thanks to 1999 and Purple Rain. I am sure Teena Marie and even some other hot producers at the time like Nile Rodgers or even Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis would helped her career.

Her biggest crime was she trusted Prince the Pimp, Prince the Playa too much and was too patient in return Prince did her dirty four times.

Reminds me of that old saying...

I hope the fucking you're getting is worth the fucking you're getting.