lavender1983 said:

paintedlady said:

I never gave Prince any pass, these women who divorced Prince never went crawling back, heck they even befriended each other... like some support group.

Don't confuse me not condoning Mani's actions with giving Prince some pass...

Why do people think the orgers on this thread are giving Prince's ho ass a pass?

I wonder that too

because most people do. It's either the woman's fault or Larry's fault.

And if you don't see that then you aren't reading peoples posts. (perhaps YOU an a few others do not.)

Mani is a compassionate human being...she is truly trying to help with her work!

Zannaloaf said:

lavender1983 said:

I wonder that too

because most people do. It's either the woman's fault or Larry's fault.

And if you don't see that then you aren't reading peoples posts. (perhaps YOU an a few others do not.)

True True..

It just seems whenever anyone says something negative about a Prince associate or whatever..we have to bring up Prince's transgressions...We know Prince is not a saint.

I'm lazy and I didn't read the whole thread but I think the OP asked the question because of her latest stunt. And I dont know if people were defending him for being a ho and calling others out... cause like I said I didn't read the entire thing but I would never do that.

Some people can tell it like is without having people say "Oh but it's fine if Prince blah blah blah...".... being accused of saying Prince can do no wrong. Not everyone gives him a pass.

Edit: No the OP just wanted to know if people always hated Mani. Fair enough.

[Edited 3/8/11 15:10pm]

Zannaloaf said:

lavender1983 said:

I wonder that too

because most people do. It's either the woman's fault or Larry's fault.

And if you don't see that then you aren't reading peoples posts. (perhaps YOU an a few others do not.)

Who gives Prince a pass? have you been on the Org long? Prince gets ripped apart left and right here. There's a thread going right now about him having mental issues and another calling him a predator, another person posted how he hated him. Please, Prince does NOT get a pass around here. Just because Prince may not have been innocent in his role of his marriages does not automatically make Manuela all innocent either. She's not going to get an off limitis only say nice things about her pass either especially after that last stunt.

wonder505 said:

Zannaloaf said:

because most people do. It's either the woman's fault or Larry's fault.

And if you don't see that then you aren't reading peoples posts. (perhaps YOU an a few others do not.)

Who gives Prince a pass? have you been on the Org long? Prince gets ripped apart left and right here. There's a thread going right now about him having mental issues and another calling him a predator, another person posted how he hated him. Please, Prince does NOT get a pass around here. Just because Prince may not have been innocent in his role of his marriages does not automatically make Manuela all innocent either. She's not going to get an off limitis only say nice things about her pass either especially after that last stunt.

mmm...3.5 years?? no I'm not a newbie. Prince gets ripped mostly for his new music quality and treatment of fans. But the defenders still blame everyone but him. Do I REALLY need to point it out?

Zannaloaf said:

wonder505 said:

Who gives Prince a pass? have you been on the Org long? Prince gets ripped apart left and right here. There's a thread going right now about him having mental issues and another calling him a predator, another person posted how he hated him. Please, Prince does NOT get a pass around here. Just because Prince may not have been innocent in his role of his marriages does not automatically make Manuela all innocent either. She's not going to get an off limitis only say nice things about her pass either especially after that last stunt.

mmm...3.5 years?? no I'm not a newbie. Prince gets ripped mostly for his new music quality and treatment of fans. But the defenders still blame everyone but him. Do I REALLY need to point it out?

you can if you have the time even in the manuela threads folks are saying he was at fault too. i just feel people are just as verbal about Prince too.

wonder505 said:

Zannaloaf said:

because most people do. It's either the woman's fault or Larry's fault.

And if you don't see that then you aren't reading peoples posts. (perhaps YOU an a few others do not.)

Who gives Prince a pass? have you been on the Org long? Prince gets ripped apart left and right here. There's a thread going right now about him having mental issues and another calling him a predator, another person posted how he hated him. Please, Prince does NOT get a pass around here. Just because Prince may not have been innocent in his role of his marriages does not automatically make Manuela all innocent either. She's not going to get an off limitis only say nice things about her pass either especially after that last stunt.

right

wonder505 said:

Zannaloaf said:

mmm...3.5 years?? no I'm not a newbie. Prince gets ripped mostly for his new music quality and treatment of fans. But the defenders still blame everyone but him. Do I REALLY need to point it out?

you can if you have the time even in the manuela threads folks are saying he was at fault too. i just feel people are just as verbal about Prince too.

right.

I am definitely one who doesn't give Prince a pass. And I believe so far, everyone has reaped his just rewards... (well except Mayte and Prince who did nothing to deserve the loss of their baby. NOBODY deserves that).

Mani snuck around with a married man.... same married man (now married to her) snuck around. Prince stands up at altar with promises that are later broken. He pays his hard earned cash it. Unlike many people here, I don't begrudge either ex wife for their divorce settlements.

Prince does not get a pass from everyone here on the Org. There have been several Orgers who feel the same way as I do about this.

Zannaloaf said:

because most people do. It's either the woman's fault or Larry's fault.

And if you don't see that then you aren't reading peoples posts. (perhaps YOU an a few others do not.)

No, I do see the posts, and I think if people are gonna defend Manuela, they need to keep it about her ONLY.

Not project bullshit onto other people....

What about Prince, isn't he the one that lured her in? Mayte musta cheated. Blah blah...

Its makes for a weak argument when people defend Mani by demonizing others.

I would rather hear good arguements like,

Its speculation....

I don't think that what she said/did was wrong because I am in agreement with her actions...

I keep my arguments about the person only. I wish others did that also.

and the FB post... TACKY.

prodigalfan said:

I also think that there are some people (me included) who cried "foul" when Mani seemingly pursued a married man and managed to work her way into his life and bed on the heels of Prince and Mayte's loss of their baby. Also it has been said that one of Mani's early duties was to be Mayte's PA. If that is the case I'm sure Mayte at some point talked about the distancing of her and Prince during those dark times. For Mani to end up with Prince after association with his grieving wife, well that is so uncool. To wear the woman's clothes after Prince and Mayte parted is downright creepy. There are some Orgers who went to Celebration parties that saw Mani wearing one of Mayte's dresses and acting like the Lady of the manor while Mayte was left in the newly built mansion in Spain. just bad all the way around. So when people start defending THAT trollop behavior that Mani display there are some people who are going to disagree and state that the behavior is INDEFENSIBLE. not that people are jealous or want Prince for themselves but because some people STILL think that MARRIAGE is a sacred thing that should be honored. Not made a mockery of.

and now mani & mayte go bowling together, must not be any hard feelings there, they seem like friends, maybe they bonded over having something in common (by being an ex-wife of prince).

kimrachell said:

prodigalfan said:

I also think that there are some people (me included) who cried "foul" when Mani seemingly pursued a married man and managed to work her way into his life and bed on the heels of Prince and Mayte's loss of their baby. Also it has been said that one of Mani's early duties was to be Mayte's PA. If that is the case I'm sure Mayte at some point talked about the distancing of her and Prince during those dark times. For Mani to end up with Prince after association with his grieving wife, well that is so uncool. To wear the woman's clothes after Prince and Mayte parted is downright creepy. There are some Orgers who went to Celebration parties that saw Mani wearing one of Mayte's dresses and acting like the Lady of the manor while Mayte was left in the newly built mansion in Spain. just bad all the way around. So when people start defending THAT trollop behavior that Mani display there are some people who are going to disagree and state that the behavior is INDEFENSIBLE. not that people are jealous or want Prince for themselves but because some people STILL think that MARRIAGE is a sacred thing that should be honored. Not made a mockery of.

and now mani & mayte go bowling together, must not be any hard feelings there, they seem like friends, maybe they bonded over having something in common (by being an ex-wife of prince).

The thing is there is still a lot of mystery surounding Prince's marriages and divorces and that is why there is so much speculation. No one speculates on the relationships of Charlie Sheen and his exes because it is all layed bare. They pretty much told us more then we wanted to know!

Given that both Mayte and Mani were around not only the same man but also his family and friends and there lives were wrapped around his for a decade each, this has to be some sort of "you understand what others do not' going on there. Prince is such an unusual man, he had to affect both of their lives profoundly.

PS, I thought he was more into pool then bowling....what the hell happened there? Would think they'd meet up at a pool hall, lol.

kimrachell said:

prodigalfan said:

I also think that there are some people (me included) who cried "foul" when Mani seemingly pursued a married man and managed to work her way into his life and bed on the heels of Prince and Mayte's loss of their baby. Also it has been said that one of Mani's early duties was to be Mayte's PA. If that is the case I'm sure Mayte at some point talked about the distancing of her and Prince during those dark times. For Mani to end up with Prince after association with his grieving wife, well that is so uncool. To wear the woman's clothes after Prince and Mayte parted is downright creepy. There are some Orgers who went to Celebration parties that saw Mani wearing one of Mayte's dresses and acting like the Lady of the manor while Mayte was left in the newly built mansion in Spain. just bad all the way around. So when people start defending THAT trollop behavior that Mani display there are some people who are going to disagree and state that the behavior is INDEFENSIBLE. not that people are jealous or want Prince for themselves but because some people STILL think that MARRIAGE is a sacred thing that should be honored. Not made a mockery of.

and now mani & mayte go bowling together, must not be any hard feelings there, they seem like friends, maybe they bonded over having something in common (by being an ex-wife of prince).

Wait. What????? They go bowling together?

kimrachell said:

and now mani & mayte go bowling together, must not be any hard feelings there, they seem like friends, maybe they bonded over having something in common (by being an ex-wife of prince).

Yep! Or maybe they were ALWAYS on friendly terms. She did work for Mayte, so they could have been friends all along. People only speculate on Prince's supposed transgressions, but they could not even be true. I can't see any sane woman hanging out with the woman who "took her husband and stole her clothes." Moving on and being cordial is one thing, hanging out and going bowling is another.

DaphneLovesPR1NCE said:

kimrachell said:

Yep! Or maybe they were ALWAYS on friendly terms. She did work for Mayte, so they could have been friends all along. People only speculate on Prince's supposed transgressions, but they could not even be true. I can't see any sane woman hanging out with the woman who "took her husband and stole her clothes." Moving on and being cordial is one thing, hanging out and going bowling is another.

Was it bowling for some function or charity type of thing? Personally, neither of them strike me as "let's go hang out at the bowling alley and drink beer and eat fries" kind of girls.

Serena said:

DaphneLovesPR1NCE said:

Yep! Or maybe they were ALWAYS on friendly terms. She did work for Mayte, so they could have been friends all along. People only speculate on Prince's supposed transgressions, but they could not even be true. I can't see any sane woman hanging out with the woman who "took her husband and stole her clothes." Moving on and being cordial is one thing, hanging out and going bowling is another.

Was it bowling for some function or charity type of thing? Personally, neither of them strike me as "let's go hang out at the bowling alley and drink beer and eat fries" kind of girls.

Yeah, me either. I wonder why they are even facebook friends though? Next thing I know, Mayte, Mani, and Bria will be attending the BFF club meeting!

DaphneLovesPR1NCE said:

Serena said:

Was it bowling for some function or charity type of thing? Personally, neither of them strike me as "let's go hang out at the bowling alley and drink beer and eat fries" kind of girls.

Yeah, me either. I wonder why they are even facebook friends though? Next thing I know, Mayte, Mani, and Bria will be attending the BFF club meeting!

Not Bria... not for a long time if ever, She never got the GOLD ring.

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And this post is not meant to be "Pro-Mani" because I don't know her or anything about her other than what she has made public. Its meant to be pro-truth.

^^^ perfect post.

Blaque Knight do you really think this is all about women wanting to get involved with Prince?

With exception of one Orger who I won't mention, I don't believe that any Orgers that I have read, really REALLY want a relationship with Prince.

Who around here wants to get involved with a serial cheat?

<---- not me. I can't STAND a liar or a cheater. To me, I tolerate a lot of mistakes in relationships. Cheating is DEAL BREAKER for me.

You know that song "I bust the windows out of your car?" That is ME if I catch you cheating.

I don't give a foch WHO IT IS!

So why even go "there" when you know this is something Prince has done in the past and mostly like will continue to do?

I am willing to bet, most women on the Org feel the same.

Right ladies???

Blaqueknight what a great long post but based on your pattern here regarding Prince I would not expect you to write any differently, in others words, Prince is always wrong, Mani is right and innocent and anyone else who sees differently is wrong and obsessed.

I used to date a musician, and if he was even a small inkling of what dating Prince is like then HELL TO THE NO would I want Prince. (sorry to all the musicians)

So because she was his wife, we are supposed to take her word, her side of the story at face value, to be the only truth and believe everything she puts out there in the public without explanantion? Especially when her whole story is shady too? How do you know she wasn't being vindictive from being shutout from that awards party. How do know that she was not one of those "yes people" and "enablers" that she claim is Prince's problem in public? Are we supposed to not discuss that, because she was his wife and Prince is always wrong?

Now I do agree that the ones who left her really nasty comments, even trashing Eric Benet on her facebook are the ones who are pissed for the reasons you stated.

[Edited 3/10/11 6:37am]

BlaqueKnight said:

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And this post is not meant to be "Pro-Mani" because I don't know her or anything about her other than what she has made public. Its meant to be pro-truth.

Awesome.

Zannaloaf said:

The problem there being that most posts dogged ONLY Mani, not Prince. It seems the real pass always goes to Prince. On any subject.

There's only one very bold orger allways defending P's pass......

BlaqueKnight said:

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I'm allways up for a contribution like that. When done correctly, I do appreciate it.

So, what is this thread about? What did Mani/ Manuela post on FB? What comments did she get? What did Johnart comment? What did the terrible tendentious truculent three trolls do?

Can someone please inform me?

dJJ said:

Zannaloaf said:

The problem there being that most posts dogged ONLY Mani, not Prince. It seems the real pass always goes to Prince. On any subject.

There's only one very bold orger allways defending P's pass......

right

dJJ said:

So, what is this thread about? What did Mani/ Manuela post on FB? What comments did she get? What did Johnart comment? What did the terrible tendentious truculent three trolls do?

Can someone please inform me?

Heehee.

It is on this forum.... Manuela FB status today... Or something like that.

She basically wrote on her wall, something like "Hope to never see Prince get on 20/20 and rant like Charlie Sheen".

Something close to that. People on her FB got on her wall and dogged her out about it. Because the insinuation is that Mani was dropping a dime on Prince and substance abuse. She took it down after several hours.

I guess that started the debate. IMO her comments didn't mean a whole lot to me. I did think that if she was genuine in wanting to help Prince, she should talk to his close family/friends and try to do an intervention.. (if that was the case)... but to put it out on her very public facebook account was tacky. But.... each his own.

This post started becasue the OP asked why people are so "anti-Mani". Some people attribute it to her past (shady) actions during courtship with Prince (me and others) and some people attribute it to women who are jealous of Mani, and others attribute it to people being fanbots of Prince and he can do no wrong.

Someone open the discussion so it is all being "discussed".

The FB thread is still up and active. You can easily find it... probably the 1st or 2nd thread her.

Oh and I forgot to answer some of your other questions. FB friends told Mani she better worry about Eric B's cheating azz (which is also tacky... you get back what you put out there). And John was basically saying it is her page and she can say what she wants... and these "friends" have some nerve talking against Mani on her own FB page.

^ Tis true. Why anyone would be FB friends with celebrities, semi celebrities and ex wives of celebrities is a mystery to me.

Unless you are supporter and want to see what that person's new projects are. Many people here who are FB friends with Mani say that is the reason they are her friends becaues they support her charity efforts.

My thought is, if you don't like what she writes on her page... unfriend her. The end.

Prince does not need to be defended for idle talk on a FB page. Really who cares what Mani thinks about her ex husband?

[Edited 3/10/11 7:22am]

wonder505 said:

Blaqueknight what a great long post but based on your pattern here regarding Prince I would not expect you to write any differently, in others words, Prince is always wrong, Mani is right and innocent and anyone else who sees differently is wrong and obsessed.

I used to date a musician, and if he was even a small inkling of what dating Prince is like then HELL TO THE NO would I want Prince. (sorry to all the musicians)

So because she was his wife, we are supposed to take her word, her side of the story at face value, to be the only truth and believe everything she puts out there in the public without explanantion? Especially when her whole story is shady too? How do you know she wasn't being vindictive from being shutout from that awards party. How do know that she was not one of those "yes people" and "enablers" that she claim is Prince's problem in public? Are we supposed to not discuss that, because she was his wife and Prince is always wrong?

Now I do agree that the ones who left her really nasty comments, even trashing Eric Benet on her facebook are the ones who are pissed for the reasons you stated.

[Edited 3/10/11 6:37am]

EXACTLY, THANK YOU!! I get so sick of people thinking that if you don't trash Prince, that means you want to have a REAL relationship with him, it's so stupid. BK is just as bad as women who think if you don't bless everything they do, then 'OMG, you're just JEALOUS of me!".

Thanks for the info.

Manuela might have wanted to wake up people about P because he would not listen to anybody himself? Or she wants attention from Prince fans? We will never know, will we?

When he drinks and she was a co-alcoholist, then I do understand her statement.

I know the hell it is being a co-alcohol, co-drugaddict and co-sexaddict. It is so horrible that it's actually worth solvi ng my own love addiction. Just to prefend me from getting in something like that ever again

Serena said:

wonder505 said:

Blaqueknight what a great long post but based on your pattern here regarding Prince I would not expect you to write any differently, in others words, Prince is always wrong, Mani is right and innocent and anyone else who sees differently is wrong and obsessed.

I used to date a musician, and if he was even a small inkling of what dating Prince is like then HELL TO THE NO would I want Prince. (sorry to all the musicians)

So because she was his wife, we are supposed to take her word, her side of the story at face value, to be the only truth and believe everything she puts out there in the public without explanantion? Especially when her whole story is shady too? How do you know she wasn't being vindictive from being shutout from that awards party. How do know that she was not one of those "yes people" and "enablers" that she claim is Prince's problem in public? Are we supposed to not discuss that, because she was his wife and Prince is always wrong?

Now I do agree that the ones who left her really nasty comments, even trashing Eric Benet on her facebook are the ones who are pissed for the reasons you stated.

[Edited 3/10/11 6:37am]

EXACTLY, THANK YOU!! I get so sick of people thinking that if you don't trash Prince, that means you want to have a REAL relationship with him, it's so stupid. BK is just as bad as women who think if you don't bless everything they do, then 'OMG, you're just JEALOUS of me!".

right!

dJJ said:

Thanks for the info.

Manuela might have wanted to wake up people about P because he would not listen to anybody himself? Or she wants attention from Prince fans? We will never know, will we?

When he drinks and she was a co-alcoholist, then I do understand her statement.

I know the hell it is being a co-alcohol, co-drugaddict and co-sexaddict. It is so horrible that it's actually worth solvi ng my own love addiction. Just to prefend me from getting in something like that ever again

could be. I personally hope there is no truth to this post. I hope she misspoke or misunderstood things.

We lost MJ, and when we lost Teena, that just about killed me, muscially (still feeling that lost, deeply)

I don't think I could handle something happening to Prince. He is now the only current one I would pay money to see in concert.