HatrinaHaterwitz said:

wonder505 said:

and you don't think she was one of them? there's something not right about her either IMO, its lik now, after the fact with her new man...she makes a statement like that on facebook, which she has every right too, but if she really cared about I would think she would choose to reach out to him in through another channel.

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I most certainly think that SHE didn't help matters...AT ALL...when and how she got with him. Which is why I've never cared for her, in the first place. However, if she knows what is wrong and tries to make somebody pay attention and it results in somebody caring enough about Prince to stop kissing his ass long enough to what really going on and get him some help.

I can and will forgive her methods of getting the point across.

If she was trying to be some sort of savior, then why not say what she meant and leave the post there instead of removing it? She already said it was misunderstood, but now folks think she's sending some 'omg save him' message.

Shorty said:

johnart said:

Well yes, I say "nice enough" not because I think she's actual friends with 2053 or because it even matters how those people came to request her friendship (of course most got to know her through Prince, who's saying otherwise?) but because you can bet that if she didn't accept requests folk would be on here blastin what a stuck up bitch she was. So there's really no winning at anything once you've been with Prince, is there?

None of that changes folk getting crazed over her comments being ridiculous.

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right....so she's not accepting requests because she's being nice, and I really don't think it's because she didn't want to look like a stuck up bitch either. People are passonate about Prince, she knows that and she knows why she has 2053 friends on her FB page. Yes, I agree that some folx are over the top but I don't agree with calling people "crazy" or "bitter" or "delusional" or whatever other words are being spewed out here on this thread. It's the pot calling the kettle black.

You don't have to agree with any of it. That's why this is a discussion forum. We should have different views and ideas and opinions.

How is calling over-the-top crazed behavior out as just that the pot calling the kettle black?

Passionate about Prince...sounds so sweet.

Serena said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

I most certainly think that SHE didn't help matters...AT ALL...when and how she got with him. Which is why I've never cared for her, in the first place. However, if she knows what is wrong and tries to make somebody pay attention and it results in somebody caring enough about Prince to stop kissing his ass long enough to what really going on and get him some help.

I can and will forgive her methods of getting the point across.

If she was trying to be some sort of savior, then why not say what she meant and leave the post there instead of removing it? She already said it was misunderstood, but now folks think she's sending some 'omg save him' message.

She was asked by the fans to remove the comment. So she did.

She posted this.

But even after removing folk continue to post shame-on-you comments on her wall.'
So what does the Prince Fan Rulebook say? Should that go on for another day? Week? Month?

She probably just meant it as a casual comment and for a minute forgot just how nutso folk can get. So caving to that she pulled it. It's really simple, but since folk are now out for blood her reaons for pulling the comment or even making it in the first place have to be analysed ad nauseum.

Deadflow3r said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

I most certainly think that SHE didn't help matters...AT ALL...when and how she got with him. Which is why I've never cared for her, in the first place. However, if she knows what is wrong and tries to make somebody pay attention and it results in somebody caring enough about Prince to stop kissing his ass long enough to what really going on and get him some help.

I can and will forgive her methods of getting the point across.

You are bringing up a good point.

Manuela began working for Prince in 1998 and got 3 years of seeing this man's ways in action before marrying him. She also could have heard Mayte's side of their marriage crisis if she wanted to before marrying him. If she wasn't maliable Manuela and always taking Prince's word and putting him on a pedestal from 1998 to 2001 he would never have married her.

More then likely she was a key enabler at that time. However the wife who could not "bend in the wind without breaking" at that time was Mayte. Something that was posted a while back on the org tells me that Prince tells his women since Mayte that their marriage failed because she was a tempermental and jealous woman, prone to temper tantrums and screaming fits.

Somehow they all believe Prince's side until they get in the woman before them's position. Then suddenly they aren't so supportive and nodding their head all day long and following his order like a puppy is not so much fun anymore.

johnart said:

Serena said:

If she was trying to be some sort of savior, then why not say what she meant and leave the post there instead of removing it? She already said it was misunderstood, but now folks think she's sending some 'omg save him' message.

She was asked by the fans to remove the comment. So she did.

She posted this.

But even after removing folk continue to post shame-on-you comments on her wall.'
So what does the Prince Fan Rulebook say? Should that go on for another day? Week? Month?

She probably just meant it as a casual comment and for a minute forgot just how nutso folk can get. So caving to that she pulled it. It's really simple, but since folk are now out for blood her reaons for pulling the comment or even making it in the first place have to be analysed ad nauseum.

My point is that some people are taking that message as her saying that Prince needs help for some dangerous issue like CS. If that's what they believe she meant, don't they think that she would have left it there if she was really worried about something?

Look, she started all this shit and wanted the attention, unfortunately she's not getting the kind she wanted, except from you and maybe a couple of others.

johnart said:

Shorty said:

right....so she's not accepting requests because she's being nice, and I really don't think it's because she didn't want to look like a stuck up bitch either. People are passonate about Prince, she knows that and she knows why she has 2053 friends on her FB page. Yes, I agree that some folx are over the top but I don't agree with calling people "crazy" or "bitter" or "delusional" or whatever other words are being spewed out here on this thread. It's the pot calling the kettle black.

You don't have to agree with any of it. That's why this is a discussion forum. We should have different views and ideas and opinions.

How is calling over-the-top crazed behavior out as just that the pot calling the kettle black?

Passionate about Prince...sounds so sweet.

yes, I know I don't have to agree, and I know this is a discussion forum...not sure why you are informing me of these things...I'm pretty sure we are having a discussion...right?

how is it? because people being mean and rude are people being mean and rude. it's the same thing on both side of the arguement.

Serena said:

johnart said:

She was asked by the fans to remove the comment. So she did.

She posted this.

But even after removing folk continue to post shame-on-you comments on her wall.'
So what does the Prince Fan Rulebook say? Should that go on for another day? Week? Month?

She probably just meant it as a casual comment and for a minute forgot just how nutso folk can get. So caving to that she pulled it. It's really simple, but since folk are now out for blood her reaons for pulling the comment or even making it in the first place have to be analysed ad nauseum.

My point is that some people are taking that message as her saying that Prince needs help for some dangerous issue like CS. If that's what they believe she meant, don't they think that she would have left it there if she was really worried about something?

Look, she started all this shit and wanted the attention, unfortunately she's not getting the kind she wanted, except from you and maybe a couple of others.

I'd be debating the same points for anyone (Prince related or not). My attention is actually not to her right now, but to this whole debate which I find absolutely fascinating. For real.

The one thing I agree on is that she shouldn't mention his name, not because she shouldn't be allowed to but because unless she's praising him or blowin smoke up his purple butthole it's always gonna be met with backlash. This goes for ANY woman that dates/marries him.

They have to be good girls and keep in line and watch what they say becaus Prince belongs to all of us , dammit!

Even if they all spent part of their lives with him a good segment of the fans will always think they know him better.

Shorty said:

johnart said:

You don't have to agree with any of it. That's why this is a discussion forum. We should have different views and ideas and opinions.

How is calling over-the-top crazed behavior out as just that the pot calling the kettle black?

Passionate about Prince...sounds so sweet.

yes, I know I don't have to agree, and I know this is a discussion forum...not sure why you are informing me of these things...I'm pretty sure we are having a discussion...right?

how is it? because people being mean and rude are people being mean and rude. it's the same thing on both side of the arguement.

Oh I'm mean and rude. You don't need to tell me that.

You said crazed, delusional and bitter...which those crazy bitches are.

EDIT: and by "bitches" I'm including the crazed dudes as well, before we even go down that road.

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johnart said:

Shorty said:

yes, I know I don't have to agree, and I know this is a discussion forum...not sure why you are informing me of these things...I'm pretty sure we are having a discussion...right?

how is it? because people being mean and rude are people being mean and rude. it's the same thing on both side of the arguement.

Oh I'm mean and rude. You don't need to tell me that.

You said crazed, delusional and bitter...which those crazy bitches are.

Shorty said:

johnart said:

Oh I'm mean and rude. You don't need to tell me that.

You said crazed, delusional and bitter...which those crazy bitches are.

I'm not sure you got what I was saying but...

Maybe I didn't. Entirely possible.

I thought you meant that my way of calling people mean and rude is mean and rude.

What did you mean?

her post doesn't surprise me at all. and not because i think prince deserves it

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johnart said:

Shorty said:

I'm not sure you got what I was saying but...

Maybe I didn't. Entirely possible.

I thought you meant that my way of calling people mean and rude is mean and rude.

What did you mean?

Shorty said:

johnart said:

Maybe I didn't. Entirely possible.

I thought you meant that my way of calling people mean and rude is mean and rude.

What did you mean?

well...I didn't necessarily mean you...but yeah that sums it up.

See?? I can keep up.

Serena said:

pueroda said:

Let's see.....how many of us here are in a position to really help Prince now that we have been made aware that he might have some kind of a problem?

Fuck, see this is why she shouldn't have made a comment like that. She even said she didn't mean anytihng by it, but now some people who don't know how she is believe the bull.

If she was truly concerned about something with him, then why cloak it in some stupid remark about Charlie Sheen (who I'm SO FUCKING TIRED OF)? Why wouldn't she say what she meant and stick with it instead of playing her game of post & remove?

She's the one who accepted all these unknown people as 'friends' to fulfill some strange need to feel like people like her. She has to know that the majority are only there because of Prince, so why accept them when she's not married to him anymore?

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huh?? Was only trying to say maybe she should reach out to him in a different way instead of fb.

WOW that's a daring post! Saying Prince is a real nut-case, as she should know best. People here can defend him, but who really knows what he is like behind closed doors, in real life? Manuela knows ... as do many of the ladies he has left or have left him in the past. He can't hold a real longterm relationship in 52 years. He's got head issues, which is obvious if you take off the purple blinders. Manuela has some balls though! Every once in a while we all need to vent. I've posted at 2 am on Facebook, had immediate regrets of my declarations, deleted the thread, but it's already OUT there for the world to see.

Serena said:

johnart said:

She was asked by the fans to remove the comment. So she did.

She posted this.

But even after removing folk continue to post shame-on-you comments on her wall.'
So what does the Prince Fan Rulebook say? Should that go on for another day? Week? Month?

She probably just meant it as a casual comment and for a minute forgot just how nutso folk can get. So caving to that she pulled it. It's really simple, but since folk are now out for blood her reaons for pulling the comment or even making it in the first place have to be analysed ad nauseum.

My point is that some people are taking that message as her saying that Prince needs help for some dangerous issue like CS. If that's what they believe she meant, don't they think that she would have left it there if she was really worried about something?

Look, she started all this shit and wanted the attention, unfortunately she's not getting the kind she wanted, except from you and maybe a couple of others.

If you are referring to me, it didn't take that message for me to know that something is wrong, where it's concerning Prince. I've been saying so, on this very site, for years now. I do not know if he's going the Charlie Sheen route or not but that certainly would explain a lot of the weird shit that's been going on with him, for quite some time.

For his sake, I really do hope, wish and pray that you are correct and Manuela was just attention seeking but here's the real issue...what IF you are not correct and there really is a problem that nobody seems to brave enough to even contemplate because it's Prince? I'd rather deal with the hard feelings of addressing what very well could be the truth, than the aftermath of doing nothing but blindly enabling and something tragic happens.

.

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Shorty said:

thebeautifulones777 said:

i dont think Manuela was talking bad about Prince whatsoever, she apologized 2 everyone that got offended by her status, just because she mentioned Prince doesnt mean that she doesnt care or have respect for Prince.

all depends on how and when you mention him..and her how and when were....BAD. and as for her apology.

"So sorry to have upset so people simply because of my concern for someone else. It was not a personal attack by any stretch. I was thoroughly disturbed by Charlie Sheen's interview and wouldn't wish that state of being on anyone. It's such a slippery slope when you're surrounded by yes men and enablers"

as I said to her....I don't think that's going to clear things up.

WOW her "apology" is even more interesting than the initial comment

well, that's the last time i log off of facebook for a few days, i missed it all. however, i think mani can say whatever she wants on her page. it's her page, and if that is how she feels, who are we to judge her? she was the person married to prince, not us. so i think she would know much more about him than any one of us here. i think it's really odd/freaky for folks to post rude comments on her fb page.

aubergine said:

Shorty said:

all depends on how and when you mention him..and her how and when were....BAD. and as for her apology.

"So sorry to have upset so people simply because of my concern for someone else. It was not a personal attack by any stretch. I was thoroughly disturbed by Charlie Sheen's interview and wouldn't wish that state of being on anyone. It's such a slippery slope when you're surrounded by yes men and enablers"

as I said to her....I don't think that's going to clear things up.

WOW her "apology" is even more interesting than the initial comment

Her "apology" says to me that she meant what she said the first time, with no malice nor ill will intended. Sadly, the enablers she's talking about are the very folks who are attacking her for being the messenger of something they're really just too afraid to contemplate could very well be true.

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

aubergine said:

WOW her "apology" is even more interesting than the initial comment

Her "apology" says to me that she meant what she said the first time, with no malice nor ill will intended. Sadly, the enablers she's talking about are the very folks who are attacking her for being the messenger of something they're really just too afraid to contemplate could very well be true.

that's not what is says to me.

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

aubergine said:

WOW her "apology" is even more interesting than the initial comment

Her "apology" says to me that she meant what she said the first time, with no malice nor ill will intended. Sadly, the enablers she's talking about are the very folks who are attacking her for being the messenger of something they're really just too afraid to contemplate could very well be true.

The messenger who was very much apart of the cause among Lord knows what and who else. What exactly do you want fans who strangers to this man to do as if we have that much connection to him personally above just enjoying the music and going to see his live shows? I think we all know Prince has been surrounded by enablers (that seems to be the word of the week) and yes men, and it will take someone in his innercircle to get to him and try to help him see the light, as SHE used to be, but she didn't do that did she?...she's doing now, after the fact living off his money and on facebook. Again, I just think there are more sincere ways to help him if she will wanted to.

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Shorty said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Her "apology" says to me that she meant what she said the first time, with no malice nor ill will intended. Sadly, the enablers she's talking about are the very folks who are attacking her for being the messenger of something they're really just too afraid to contemplate could very well be true.

that's not what is says to me.

Different folks...different strokes. I did say that's what it said to me, right?

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Serena said:

My point is that some people are taking that message as her saying that Prince needs help for some dangerous issue like CS. If that's what they believe she meant, don't they think that she would have left it there if she was really worried about something?

Look, she started all this shit and wanted the attention, unfortunately she's not getting the kind she wanted, except from you and maybe a couple of others.

If you are referring to me, it didn't take that message for me to know that something is wrong, where it's concerning Prince. I've been saying so, on this very site, for years now. I do not know if he's going the Charlie Sheen route or not but that certainly would explain a lot of the weird shit that's been going on with him, for quite some time.

For his sake, I really do hope, wish and pray that you are correct and Manuela was just attention seeking but here's the real issue...what IF you are not correct and there really is a problem that nobody seems to brave enough to even contemplate because it's Prince? I'd rather deal with the hard feelings of addressing what very well could be the truth, than the aftermath of doing nothing but blindly enabling and something tragic happens.

.

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No, I wasn't meaning you specifically.

I think he looks a bazillion times healthier and happier than he has in years and his performances are proving that with his ease of movement and enjoyment.

Of course the last thing I'd want is for something to be wrong, but I'm not going to jump to that conclusion from her stupid, attention-seeking message. A message which she wasn't even serious enough about to leave up, that should tell you something right there. If she was worried about him, don't you think she'd say F U to everyone criticizing her and even telling Prince, "hey, sue me if you want, but you need help!"? But, now you guys aren't even believing her when she said IT MEANT NOTHING.

As some of us said before, if Sheila says something, then I'll worry. She's the one working with him and would know if something was up, not an ex-wife who hasn't been in his life for years.

Serena said:

johnart said:

She was asked by the fans to remove the comment. So she did.

She posted this.

But even after removing folk continue to post shame-on-you comments on her wall.'
So what does the Prince Fan Rulebook say? Should that go on for another day? Week? Month?

She probably just meant it as a casual comment and for a minute forgot just how nutso folk can get. So caving to that she pulled it. It's really simple, but since folk are now out for blood her reaons for pulling the comment or even making it in the first place have to be analysed ad nauseum.

My point is that some people are taking that message as her saying that Prince needs help for some dangerous issue like CS. If that's what they believe she meant, don't they think that she would have left it there if she was really worried about something?

Look, she started all this shit and wanted the attention, unfortunately she's not getting the kind she wanted, except from you and maybe a couple of others.

No - the crazy FANATICS started the shit. You act as if the people who posted are passive in this and they are not. Frankly she should boot all their asses off of her FB page. But then they'd be pissed about that and whining how she is not their "friend" anymore. Yeah- she should have thought a bit more before posting, but the nut jobs could have left the rude and ridiculous rants where they belong- inside their heads.

(and a bout that "ease of movement" comment . You secretly talking about the hips?Cause he hasn't moved like that in YEARS!)

Zannaloaf said:

Serena said:

My point is that some people are taking that message as her saying that Prince needs help for some dangerous issue like CS. If that's what they believe she meant, don't they think that she would have left it there if she was really worried about something?

Look, she started all this shit and wanted the attention, unfortunately she's not getting the kind she wanted, except from you and maybe a couple of others.

No - the crazy FANATICS started the shit. You act as if the people who posted are passive in this and they are not. Frankly she should boot all their asses off of her FB page. But then they'd be pissed about that and whining how she is not their "friend" anymore. Yeah- she should have thought a bit more before posting, but the nut jobs could have left the rude and ridiculous rants where they belong- inside their heads.

(and a bout that "ease of movement" comment . You secretly talking about the hips?Cause he hasn't moved like that in YEARS!)

Well I don't have FB, so I don't know what people posted except for the one screen print that was posted here. People shouldn't have posted out-of-line things on her page, but she's the one who started it by posting the message. If she didn't know what kind of shitstorm she'd start, then she's more stupid than I thought.

I wasn't secretly talking about his hips, I think it's evident that something was fixed, but it's not like I KNOW it. I remember seeing the lawyer commercials months ago drumming up business for replacement hips that had been recalled and thinking, "oh crap, hope he didn't get one of those after he waited so long to take care of it!'.

Shorty said:

I'm feeling a weeeee bit guilty for even starting this thread.

Don't, I doubt that all the people who posted negatively on her page are all orgers, so she grew some of the shit on her own.

Serena said:

Shorty said:

I'm feeling a weeeee bit guilty for even starting this thread.

Don't, I doubt that all the people who posted negatively on her page are all orgers, so she grew some of the shit on her own.

wonder505 said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Her "apology" says to me that she meant what she said the first time, with no malice nor ill will intended. Sadly, the enablers she's talking about are the very folks who are attacking her for being the messenger of something they're really just too afraid to contemplate could very well be true.

The messenger who was very much apart of the cause among Lord knows what and who else. What exactly do you want fans who strangers to this man to do? I think we all know Prince has been surrounded by enablers (that seems to be the word of the week) and yes men, and it will take someone in his innercircle to get to him and try to help him see the light, as SHE used to be, but she didn't do that did she?...she's doing now, after the fact living off his money and on facebook. Again, I just think there are more sincere ways to help him if she will wanted to.

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With all that considered, she could be working on her repentance, for her role in the matter. I honestly do not know nor do I care.

What I do know is...I cannot and will not...blindly dismiss what Manuela said because I know that I've known for quite some time that something is very wrong and Prince's "inner circle", including her happy ass for a good bit there...are major factors in that and it's not helping him...at all.

"What exactly do I want fans who are strangers to this man to do?"

Sincerely love him by NOT being afraid of him!

When his shit stanks...say so!

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

wonder505 said:

The messenger who was very much apart of the cause among Lord knows what and who else. What exactly do you want fans who strangers to this man to do? I think we all know Prince has been surrounded by enablers (that seems to be the word of the week) and yes men, and it will take someone in his innercircle to get to him and try to help him see the light, as SHE used to be, but she didn't do that did she?...she's doing now, after the fact living off his money and on facebook. Again, I just think there are more sincere ways to help him if she will wanted to.

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With all that considered, she could be working on her repentance, for her role in the matter. I honestly do not know nor do I care.

What I do know is...I cannot and will not...blindly dismiss what Manuela said because I know that I've known for quite some time that something is very wrong and Prince's "inner circle", including her happy ass for a good bit there...are major factors in that and it's not helping him...at all.

"What exactly do I want fans who are strangers to this man to do?"

Sincerely love him by NOT being afraid of him!

When his shit stanks...say so!

I don't think anyone dismisses what Manuela said. If and when she admits IN PUBLIC that she was apart of the problem, THEN I will give her more respect in that aspect.

Who here does not know that Prince (as with many celebrities) is not surrounded by yes people. the man dont pay his bills, he's needs to hire an accountant and manage his money better. So you're not going to blindly dismiss anything so how will that have an effect to Prince?

So again, what do you want us to do, specifically....um... when we're at a concert having a great time and dancing our asses off, go up to him on stage and curse him out...What do you want us to do? Can you give some specific examples? And who among us knows Prince personally to be afraid of him.

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