Also, like others here, where's the proof of Jesse saying this? I want to know what's been said, now that it's been brought to light like this. If this is such a big issue, why don't The Time take Prince to court? They must have some money for lawyers and such, if it means that much to them, then they should fight the so-called "power that be" over the name or whatever the situation is. These guys have been in the business for how many years now? There should be nothing to stop The Time from releasing the CD. This whole thread just reeks of hearsay and more than likely lies and that's a BAD combination.

I'm a little sick of this annoying nonsense some of you are spewing. So, they are talented enough to play the songs, do completely re-worked show versions of the songs, taking them beyond where they started; some are able to have a nice run of solo albums doing music with no Prince involvement whatsoever...yet they are NOT talented enough to get together and make one record "post-Prince?"
Do you know how unbelievably idiotic that sounds? Its plain fucking stupid. How far up Prince's ass do you people have to have your head to believe he is the only one capable of writing music? Its ludicrous to suggest that these guys couldn't put together a record without Prince's help when many of them (Jesse, Jimmy & Terry, Morris, Jellybean, and Monte) have already either released solo records or produced tracks for other people.
The very fact that they all have work outside of the Prince-penned Time tracks that don't "suck" negates that very argument. Please cease and desist with that path. It makes some of you sound embarrassingly silly and very obviously, blindly biased.

BlaqueKnight said:

I'm a little sick of this annoying nonsense some of you are spewing. So, they are talented enough to play the songs, do completely re-worked show versions of the songs, taking them beyond where they started; some are able to have a nice run of solo albums doing music with no Prince involvement whatsoever...yet they are NOT talented enough to get together and make one record "post-Prince?"
Do you know how unbelievably idiotic that sounds? Its plain fucking stupid. How far up Prince's ass do you people have to have your head to believe he is the only one capable of writing music? Its ludicrous to suggest that these guys couldn't put together a record without Prince's help when many of them (Jesse, Jimmy & Terry, Morris, Jellybean, and Monte) have already either released solo records or produced tracks for other people.
The very fact that they all have work outside of the Prince-penned Time tracks that don't "suck" negates that very argument. Please cease and desist with that path. It makes some of you sound embarrassingly silly and very obviously, blindly biased.

Simple q: Where is the new project?

BlaqueKnight said:

I'm a little sick of this annoying nonsense some of you are spewing. So, they are talented enough to play the songs, do completely re-worked show versions of the songs, taking them beyond where they started; some are able to have a nice run of solo albums doing music with no Prince involvement whatsoever...yet they are NOT talented enough to get together and make one record "post-Prince?"
Do you know how unbelievably idiotic that sounds? Its plain fucking stupid. How far up Prince's ass do you people have to have your head to believe he is the only one capable of writing music? Its ludicrous to suggest that these guys couldn't put together a record without Prince's help when many of them (Jesse, Jimmy & Terry, Morris, Jellybean, and Monte) have already either released solo records or produced tracks for other people.
The very fact that they all have work outside of the Prince-penned Time tracks that don't "suck" negates that very argument. Please cease and desist with that path. It makes some of you sound embarrassingly silly and very obviously, blindly biased.

So what's the problem with the new album being released, other than the OP suggesting that some Time members is saying that Prince is the reason why. Furthermore, no one said none of the original Time members are not talented. Question is...why would Prince be afraid or threatened by the talents of the Time? That makes no sense. The OP is not being specific as to why he states it may be P's fault for the delay of the release. Is it because of the name of the group? Some of the songs Prince wrote in the past for the group? What exactly is the problem for it not being released?

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Zannaloaf said:

that would also be a semi album. At this point I'd wait 10 years to hear a GREAT cd.

One major difference is that all Prince DOES is music (or so it seems).

BlaqueKnight said:

I'm a little sick of this annoying nonsense some of you are spewing. So, they are talented enough to play the songs, do completely re-worked show versions of the songs, taking them beyond where they started; some are able to have a nice run of solo albums doing music with no Prince involvement whatsoever...yet they are NOT talented enough to get together and make one record "post-Prince?"
Do you know how unbelievably idiotic that sounds? Its plain fucking stupid. How far up Prince's ass do you people have to have your head to believe he is the only one capable of writing music? Its ludicrous to suggest that these guys couldn't put together a record without Prince's help when many of them (Jesse, Jimmy & Terry, Morris, Jellybean, and Monte) have already either released solo records or produced tracks for other people.
The very fact that they all have work outside of the Prince-penned Time tracks that don't "suck" negates that very argument. Please cease and desist with that path. It makes some of you sound embarrassingly silly and very obviously, blindly biased.

It's unbelievable isn't it.

BlaqueKnight said:

I'm a little sick of this annoying nonsense some of you are spewing. So, they are talented enough to play the songs, do completely re-worked show versions of the songs, taking them beyond where they started; some are able to have a nice run of solo albums doing music with no Prince involvement whatsoever...yet they are NOT talented enough to get together and make one record "post-Prince?"
Do you know how unbelievably idiotic that sounds? Its plain fucking stupid. How far up Prince's ass do you people have to have your head to believe he is the only one capable of writing music? Its ludicrous to suggest that these guys couldn't put together a record without Prince's help when many of them (Jesse, Jimmy & Terry, Morris, Jellybean, and Monte) have already either released solo records or produced tracks for other people.
The very fact that they all have work outside of the Prince-penned Time tracks that don't "suck" negates that very argument. Please cease and desist with that path. It makes some of you sound embarrassingly silly and very obviously, blindly biased.

So...I guess your post underscores the fact that Prince is totally not the reason why it has taken the group so long to drop a CD, given their amazing talents. and I don't think anyone here suggested The Time are not talented, just reasons to believe why Prince should not feel threatened, especially at this point and time, I don't think that is biased just because you may or may not agree.

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2elijah said:

BlaqueKnight said:

I'm a little sick of this annoying nonsense some of you are spewing. So, they are talented enough to play the songs, do completely re-worked show versions of the songs, taking them beyond where they started; some are able to have a nice run of solo albums doing music with no Prince involvement whatsoever...yet they are NOT talented enough to get together and make one record "post-Prince?"
Do you know how unbelievably idiotic that sounds? Its plain fucking stupid. How far up Prince's ass do you people have to have your head to believe he is the only one capable of writing music? Its ludicrous to suggest that these guys couldn't put together a record without Prince's help when many of them (Jesse, Jimmy & Terry, Morris, Jellybean, and Monte) have already either released solo records or produced tracks for other people.
The very fact that they all have work outside of the Prince-penned Time tracks that don't "suck" negates that very argument. Please cease and desist with that path. It makes some of you sound embarrassingly silly and very obviously, blindly biased.

So what's the problem with the new album being released, other than the OP suggesting that some Time members is saying that Prince is the reason why. Furthermore, no one said none of the original Time members are not talented. Question is...why would Prince be afraid or threatened by the talents of the Time? That makes no sense. The OP is not being specific as to why he states it may be P's fault for the delay of the release. Is it because of the name of the group? Some of the songs Prince wrote in the past for the group? What exactly is the problem for it not being released?

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That's pretty much the problem, isn't it? Nobody really has any spedific details on exactly what the problem is!

purplethunder3121 said:

2elijah said:

So what's the problem with the new album being released, other than the OP suggesting that some Time members is saying that Prince is the reason why. Furthermore, no one said none of the original Time members are not talented. Question is...why would Prince be afraid or threatened by the talents of the Time? That makes no sense. The OP is not being specific as to why he states it may be P's fault for the delay of the release. Is it because of the name of the group? Some of the songs Prince wrote in the past for the group? What exactly is the problem for it not being released?

[Edited 1/11/11 10:31am]

That's pretty much the problem, isn't it? Nobody really has any spedific details on exactly what the problem is!

Good point.

Graycap23 said:

Zannaloaf said:

that would also be a semi album. At this point I'd wait 10 years to hear a GREAT cd.

One major difference is that all Prince DOES is music (or so it seems).

Come on...I haven't exactly been quiet that I think Prince is dragging bottom as far as new material goes. I'm also make it clear i think he is an amazing musician and live performer. And its pretty clear music is most of his life. That isn't a bad thing, but it speaks to his enormous output whether you like it or not.

Zannaloaf said:

Graycap23 said:

Come on...I haven't exactly been quiet that I think Prince is dragging bottom as far as new material goes. I'm also make it clear i think he is an amazing musician and live performer. And its pretty clear music is most of his life. That isn't a bad thing, but it speaks to his enormous output whether you like it or not.

Prince is also human, not a machine and I don't think Laydown, Laveurx (spelling) or the Lotusflower album is dragging the bottom, but I guess you're comparing it to his past right? guess we'll just agree to disagree.

I wish some of the innuendo regarding Prince's involvement in the first Time albums by those with supposed inside information would be cleared up. I mean I don't think this is something that would go down with them to their graves or anything, so it would be cool to clear the air in that matter sooner than later.

Secondly, I love the fact that Prince is playing and taking back part of his music catalog, If he is indeed the author of said tunes. We are not just Prince fans becasue of the albums that have his name on them, but becasue of Madhouse, The Family, The Time, the songs he wrote for Sheena Easton and others.

I would love to hear more Time songs, Madhouse songs, The Family songs at his concerts and for him to take his music back. To me no true box set or definitive collections of Princes work would be complete without them. To me the time is right for everything to come back full circle.

As for The Time, would be nice to hear their new input, whether as The Time, The Clock or whatever. As with The Family, nobody but us hardcore fans would know about their works, regardless of the name anyway. The name they choose to release their albums now is more relevant to the bands themselves than the fans at this point.

On a completly diffrent tangent, On Pandora I love the selection of music I get under "The Time" more than "Prince". There is a stark diffrenence. I really can't stand the selection of non Prince music fetured for "Prince", but love the music they feature for "The Time"

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V10LETBLUES said:

As for The Time, would be nice to hear their new input, whether as The Time, The Clock or whatever. As with The Family, nobody but us hardcore fans would know about their works, regardless of the name anyway.

I'd think that Jimmy and Terry having done so much successful post-Time production work would attract some non-Prince fans to a new Time album. It's possible to be a big fan of them and not Prince, right?

sextonseven said:

V10LETBLUES said:

As for The Time, would be nice to hear their new input, whether as The Time, The Clock or whatever. As with The Family, nobody but us hardcore fans would know about their works, regardless of the name anyway.

I'd think that Jimmy and Terry having done so much successful post-Time production work would attract some non-Prince fans to a new Time album. It's possible to be a big fan of them and not Prince, right?

I meant as "The Time"

And if you are Jimmy, Terry, Morris, Jellybean, or Jesse fans, its the same thing, regardless of the name of the group, you would know about your favorite artists new release. I really do not think the name of the group matters at this point.

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V10LETBLUES said:

sextonseven said:

I'd think that Jimmy and Terry having done so much successful post-Time production work would attract some non-Prince fans to a new Time album. It's possible to be a big fan of them and not Prince, right?

I meant as "The Time"

And if you are Jimmy, Terry, Morris, Jellybean, or Jesse fans, its the same thing, regardless of the name of the group, you would know about your favorite artists new release. I really do not think the name of the group matters at this point.

[Edited 1/12/11 8:27am]

The name would matter to me if I knew that Prince at some point in the future would allow the band to use it, but for now, for whatever reason is asking the guys to wait for a bit.

Graycap23 said:

My take: The Time records a new project in hopes of going on the road with Prince.

Princes says no. Blame Prince 4 not being able 2 release the project.

Now folks..there's your album. The Time whines about Prince holding it up..but it probably has to do with them wanting his help and he is refusing!! It can't be over the name, surely they realize that they'd probably sell more using the name "Morris Day and The Time" than just using "The Time." Morris was the star of the group and his name is recognizeable.

But TBH, The Time is lucky if they sold any of the new record. They wouldn't be anywhere without P and what great albums s have they done since breaking from him? Not a damn thing!

I think The Time will do well without Prince. Remember those concerts they had a couple of years ago, I think they were in Las Vegas where it was the original members, and tickets sold pretty well? Everyone was excited about it, so I think with a new CD and a few shows on the road they will do pretty well. They may not fill up large arenas, but small venues will sell out like they did in Vegas. I have a hard time believing that they will put so much effort into a new project and not go through with it because of a name. There is something else and I guess we will never know the truth.

DaphneLovesPR1NCE said:

Graycap23 said:

My take: The Time records a new project in hopes of going on the road with Prince.

Princes says no. Blame Prince 4 not being able 2 release the project.

Now folks..there's your album. The Time whines about Prince holding it up..but it probably has to do with them wanting his help and he is refusing!! It can't be over the name, surely they realize that they'd probably sell more using the name "Morris Day and The Time" than just using "The Time." Morris was the star of the group and his name is recognizeable.

I don't think they can even use the name "Morris Day and The Time". As someone elese pointed out, Morris Day and The Time released a live album a few years ago and it was credited to just Morris Day.

sextonseven said:

DaphneLovesPR1NCE said:

Now folks..there's your album. The Time whines about Prince holding it up..but it probably has to do with them wanting his help and he is refusing!! It can't be over the name, surely they realize that they'd probably sell more using the name "Morris Day and The Time" than just using "The Time." Morris was the star of the group and his name is recognizeable.

I don't think they can even use the name "Morris Day and The Time". As someone elese pointed out, Morris Day and The Time released a live album a few years ago and it was credited to just Morris Day.

I'm sure they could play with the name a bit and shake it up so that it wouldn't be a problem. This whole name thing is just another way for folks to try and disgrace Prince. When the truth of the matter is, Prince owns the name and should do with it what he sees best. If Morris and the Time really wanted to be back on top, they'd be there. They are just blowing smoke up people's butt like Prince does with some of his promised projects that never surface. Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis have enough success that they could bring in a few fans, regardless of the name. So can Morris. Not buying that its Prince fault, unless like I said, they want his help and he is refusing because he is doing his own thing with W2A and possibly new album for himself.

DaphneLovesPR1NCE said:

sextonseven said:

I don't think they can even use the name "Morris Day and The Time". As someone elese pointed out, Morris Day and The Time released a live album a few years ago and it was credited to just Morris Day.

I'm sure they could play with the name a bit and shake it up so that it wouldn't be a problem. This whole name thing is just another way for folks to try and disgrace Prince. When the truth of the matter is, Prince owns the name and should do with it what he sees best. If Morris and the Time really wanted to be back on top, they'd be there. They are just blowing smoke up people's butt like Prince does with some of his promised projects that never surface. Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis have enough success that they could bring in a few fans, regardless of the name. So can Morris. Not buying that its Prince fault, unless like I said, they want his help and he is refusing because he is doing his own thing with W2A and possibly new album for himself.

TO be clear Prince does NOT own the name "The Time" or "The Family" but he has a legal right to challenge the use of it if these guys are trying to use it without his permission. (I looked it up...not that hard to get to) Anyway, what it does do is paint Prince in very unattractive colours - especially someone who is supposedly so spiritual. What difference will it make to his eternal soul if some old friends of his want to put out an album under a moniker which many people would know the band members by? Certainly it doesn't sully his history of work that created or nurtured those acts and sound. Whatever money he might make comes under the category again of what will that do to get you into the Kingdom? Seems to me his money isn't an issue to start with. Or rather that most people could live comfortably with his earnings. Of course this is all predicated on him actually believing what he preaches rather than going through the motions. At least that's how it seems from afar.

It isn't his fault for their delayed project...but he's not helping either if this is the case.

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Zannaloaf said:

DaphneLovesPR1NCE said:

I'm sure they could play with the name a bit and shake it up so that it wouldn't be a problem. This whole name thing is just another way for folks to try and disgrace Prince. When the truth of the matter is, Prince owns the name and should do with it what he sees best. If Morris and the Time really wanted to be back on top, they'd be there. They are just blowing smoke up people's butt like Prince does with some of his promised projects that never surface. Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis have enough success that they could bring in a few fans, regardless of the name. So can Morris. Not buying that its Prince fault, unless like I said, they want his help and he is refusing because he is doing his own thing with W2A and possibly new album for himself.

TO be clear Prince does NOT own the name "The Time" or "The Family" but he has a legal right to challenge the use of it if these guys are trying to use it without his permission. (I looked it up...not that hard to get to) Anyway, what it does do is paint Prince in very unattractive colours - especially someone who is supposedly so spiritual. What difference will it make to his eternal soul if some old friends of his want to put out an album under a moniker which many people would know the band members by? Certainly it doesn't sully his history of work that created or nurtured those acts and sound. Whatever money he might make comes under the category again of what will that do to get you into the Kingdom? Seems to me his money isn't an issue to start with. Or rather that most people could live comfortably with his earnings. Of course this is all predicated on him actually believing what he preaches rather than going through the motions. At least that's how it seems from afar.

It isn't his fault for their delayed project...but he's not helping either if this is the case.

[Edited 1/13/11 12:17pm]

But how would that paint him badly if we don't know what the reason is? Maybe some not so nice words were exchanged, maybe they don't get along, maybe they said some pretty mean things to him, the fact is we don't know what went on behind the scenes. so why should we automatically assume he's at fault? I still say The Time had many years to make something of their own, and they didn't.

wonder505 said:

Zannaloaf said:

TO be clear Prince does NOT own the name "The Time" or "The Family" but he has a legal right to challenge the use of it if these guys are trying to use it without his permission. (I looked it up...not that hard to get to) Anyway, what it does do is paint Prince in very unattractive colours - especially someone who is supposedly so spiritual. What difference will it make to his eternal soul if some old friends of his want to put out an album under a moniker which many people would know the band members by? Certainly it doesn't sully his history of work that created or nurtured those acts and sound. Whatever money he might make comes under the category again of what will that do to get you into the Kingdom? Seems to me his money isn't an issue to start with. Or rather that most people could live comfortably with his earnings. Of course this is all predicated on him actually believing what he preaches rather than going through the motions. At least that's how it seems from afar.

It isn't his fault for their delayed project...but he's not helping either if this is the case.

[Edited 1/13/11 12:17pm]

But how would that paint him badly if we don't know what the reason is? Maybe some not so nice words were exchanged, maybe they don't get along, maybe they said some pretty mean things to him, the fact is we don't know what went on behind the scenes. so why should we automatically assume he's at fault? I still say The Time had many years to make something of their own, and they didn't.

It kind of follows his general pattern don't you think? Once again...bad feelings aside, he's the one who loudly claims his religious stance. A couple of really good quotes from Jesus would tell him to act charitably despite what anyone else does...right? That was part of my point earlier.

Zannaloaf said:

wonder505 said:

But how would that paint him badly if we don't know what the reason is? Maybe some not so nice words were exchanged, maybe they don't get along, maybe they said some pretty mean things to him, the fact is we don't know what went on behind the scenes. so why should we automatically assume he's at fault? I still say The Time had many years to make something of their own, and they didn't.

It kind of follows his general pattern don't you think? Once again...bad feelings aside, he's the one who loudly claims his religious stance. A couple of really good quotes from Jesus would tell him to act charitably despite what anyone else does...right? That was part of my point earlier.

we can all assume he's wrong because of the past, we can all assume he's wrong because of his spirituality, but I still reserve my opinion until I hear the facts. Perhaps his preachiness makes him a hypocrite but that doesn't mean that he is wrong in his decision if that is the reason and The Time automatically is innocent either or dropped the ball on making their legacy their own. Things we NEVER get Prince's side of the story.

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wonder505 said:

Zannaloaf said:

It kind of follows his general pattern don't you think? Once again...bad feelings aside, he's the one who loudly claims his religious stance. A couple of really good quotes from Jesus would tell him to act charitably despite what anyone else does...right? That was part of my point earlier.

we can all assume he's wrong because of the past, we can all assume he's wrong because of his spirituality, but I still reserve my opinion until I hear the facts. Perhaps his preachiness makes him a hypocrite but that doesn't mean that he is wrong in his decision if that is the reason and The Time automatically is innocent either or dropped the ball on making their legacy their own. Things we NEVER get Prince's side of the story.

[Edited 1/13/11 19:14pm]

I'm sure people would be happy to hear it.

wonder505 said:

Zannaloaf said:

It kind of follows his general pattern don't you think? Once again...bad feelings aside, he's the one who loudly claims his religious stance. A couple of really good quotes from Jesus would tell him to act charitably despite what anyone else does...right? That was part of my point earlier.

we can all assume he's wrong because of the past, we can all assume he's wrong because of his spirituality, but I still reserve my opinion until I hear the facts. Perhaps his preachiness makes him a hypocrite but that doesn't mean that he is wrong in his decision if that is the reason and The Time automatically is innocent either or dropped the ball on making their legacy their own. Things we NEVER get Prince's side of the story.

[Edited 1/13/11 19:14pm]

I agree with you, some are always so ready to jump to conclusions about Prince being an ass about something when they have no idea what's really going on.

Serena said:

wonder505 said:

we can all assume he's wrong because of the past, we can all assume he's wrong because of his spirituality, but I still reserve my opinion until I hear the facts. Perhaps his preachiness makes him a hypocrite but that doesn't mean that he is wrong in his decision if that is the reason and The Time automatically is innocent either or dropped the ball on making their legacy their own. Things we NEVER get Prince's side of the story.

[Edited 1/13/11 19:14pm]

I agree with you, some are always so ready to jump to conclusions about Prince being an ass about something when they have no idea what's really going on.

the "ready" part comes from a track record of this kind of behaviour. If you ignore peoples actions then it's EASY to say who know what the truth is. If you look at patterns of behaviour you start to make informed guesses as to the likelihood of any situation. Until you are proven wrong.

This tends to be the way people use life experience. Unless you keep your eyes shut to the persons general behaviour - the it's easier to say no one really knows.

Zannaloaf said:

Serena said:

I agree with you, some are always so ready to jump to conclusions about Prince being an ass about something when they have no idea what's really going on.

the "ready" part comes from a track record of this kind of behaviour. If you ignore peoples actions then it's EASY to say who know what the truth is. If you look at patterns of behaviour you start to make informed guesses as to the likelihood of any situation. Until you are proven wrong.

This tends to be the way people use life experience. Unless you keep your eyes shut to the persons general behaviour - the it's easier to say no one really knows.

okay so Prince is wrong and totally to blame for the whole thing and he will always be wrong about everything.

thread closed

Zannaloaf said:

Serena said:

I agree with you, some are always so ready to jump to conclusions about Prince being an ass about something when they have no idea what's really going on.

the "ready" part comes from a track record of this kind of behaviour. If you ignore peoples actions then it's EASY to say who know what the truth is. If you look at patterns of behaviour you start to make informed guesses as to the likelihood of any situation. Until you are proven wrong.

This tends to be the way people use life experience. Unless you keep your eyes shut to the persons general behaviour - the it's easier to say no one really knows.

The problem is, you aren't really 'seeing' his or their real behavior at all unless you're one of them nor do you know what implications there are legally if indeed it's a 'rights' issue. If Prince is hindering their releasing the CD in some way, then he has a reason, whether anyone likes it or not.

He hasn't stopped them from touring as 'The Time', so there must be something about recording under that name. It might even have something to do with him working on getting his masters back, like if they record under it now, how does that impact Prince's copyrights,, etc.. It could also be a reason why he's started performing some of the songs, to show that he still claims rights on them. I remember reading a long time ago, something about if you don't actively protect your copyrights, that you could lose them in certain situations. Who knows, it could be something like that.

But, being logical and realizing there are two sides to every issue probably isn't as satisfying to those who enjoy jumping on the "it's ALWAYS Prince's fault!" bandwagon.

Serena said:

Zannaloaf said:

the "ready" part comes from a track record of this kind of behaviour. If you ignore peoples actions then it's EASY to say who know what the truth is. If you look at patterns of behaviour you start to make informed guesses as to the likelihood of any situation. Until you are proven wrong.

This tends to be the way people use life experience. Unless you keep your eyes shut to the persons general behaviour - the it's easier to say no one really knows.

The problem is, you aren't really 'seeing' his or their real behavior at all unless you're one of them nor do you know what implications there are legally if indeed it's a 'rights' issue. If Prince is hindering their releasing the CD in some way, then he has a reason, whether anyone likes it or not.

He hasn't stopped them from touring as 'The Time', so there must be something about recording under that name. It might even have something to do with him working on getting his masters back, like if they record under it now, how does that impact Prince's copyrights,, etc.. It could also be a reason why he's started performing some of the songs, to show that he still claims rights on them. I remember reading a long time ago, something about if you don't actively protect your copyrights, that you could lose them in certain situations. Who knows, it could be something like that.

But, being logical and realizing there are two sides to every issue probably isn't as satisfying to those who enjoy jumping on the "it's ALWAYS Prince's fault!" bandwagon.

That's interesting I didn't even know about that. But hey, regardless its all Prince's fault and he's wrong. thanks for the info.