Graycap23 said:

READ CAREFULLY:

Prince has put out 5 cd's and countless bootlegs since the Family and the Time claimed they were going 2 put out a new cd. If they really wanted 2 release something, change the name of the band and move forward intsead of blaming Prince.

No wonder Prince doesn't want 2 work with these folks.

Keep blaming Prince all u want, the proof is in your LACK of output, NOT Prince.

Exactly. Best excuse I ever heard.

Militant said:

BlaqueKnight said:

There's a lot that's known and not spoken of about the first two Time albums. There's been a lot written about them but its all been written under the approval of Prince. These guys are all very capable of producing their own album. This isn't 1982. They are all accomplished musicians and Jimmy & Terry are better producers than Prince ever was.

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Don't come with that cryptic shit and not say exactly what you mean. What is "known"?

Because TWO members of Prince's band told me DIRECTLY that the only people involved with those first two albums were Prince, Morris, Lisa and Dez. And it wasn't said under Prince's approval, it was said in private conversations.

Of course those guys are accomplished musicians and producers and nobody said they aren't capable of producing an album on their own. It just wouldn't be a "real" Time album without Prince, given that he produced and wrote the VAST majority of the first three albums and a significant portion of the 4th.

Sure u right. I guess that's why the Time needs Prince to get on stage with them and perform

a kick ass show because what the hell would Jimmy, Terry, Jesse, Jellybean, and Monte do

without the Purple one holding their hand to put on a kick ass show.

Enough of this nonsense!

phunkdaddy said:

Militant said:

Don't come with that cryptic shit and not say exactly what you mean. What is "known"?

Because TWO members of Prince's band told me DIRECTLY that the only people involved with those first two albums were Prince, Morris, Lisa and Dez. And it wasn't said under Prince's approval, it was said in private conversations.

Of course those guys are accomplished musicians and producers and nobody said they aren't capable of producing an album on their own. It just wouldn't be a "real" Time album without Prince, given that he produced and wrote the VAST majority of the first three albums and a significant portion of the 4th.

Sure u right. I guess that's why the Time needs Prince to get on stage with them and perform

a kick ass show because what the hell would Jimmy, Terry, Jesse, Jellybean, and Monte do

without the Purple one holding their hand to put on a kick ass show.

If Jesse / Tori got sick, I hear Prince plays gee-tar

Prince probably owns the name "The Time" so that may be the hold up. If that's the case, then why not release the album under the name that they tour under which is "Morris Day and The Time"?

Whatever Jellybean may have told you though, I'd be careful about posting it. We all know how lowdown Prince can be and I'd hate to see him come down on Jellybean.

My take: The Time records a new project in hopes of going on the road with Prince.

Princes says no. Blame Prince 4 not being able 2 release the project.

I'm curious about exactly what Jellybean said...word for word? No spin.

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I dont buy it, i just think Jesse is trying to drum up some shit for a project that NO ONE is even interested in outside of a pct of Prince followers from day one till now. Not even the peeps that joined on Purple Rain and jumped ship and new THE TIME really care, PRINCE cant hold up nothing, i love how people think he has this supreme control when he doesnt even have a firm hold on his own music like others have. You all really think way too much of this mans Power, the whole dumb-ass Youtube thing that had to do with Warner not even him, go on you tube i can find more Prince shit than i can for other artists who PUT their stuff up on YouTube themselves. So Prince has no power, with the exception of taking his "likeness" and using it to sell, which most artists have the same control too, so he is no different. I mean do you know how any artists pull their shit off YouTube? I can list em if you want.....but it will take a day or two.

lastdecember said:

I dont buy it, i just think Jesse is trying to drum up some shit for a project that NO ONE is even interested in outside of a pct of Prince followers from day one till now. Not even the peeps that joined on Purple Rain and jumped ship and new THE TIME really care, PRINCE cant hold up nothing, i love how people think he has this supreme control when he doesnt even have a firm hold on his own music like others have. You all really think way too much of this mans Power, the whole dumb-ass Youtube thing that had to do with Warner not even him, go on you tube i can find more Prince shit than i can for other artists who PUT their stuff up on YouTube themselves. So Prince has no power, with the exception of taking his "likeness" and using it to sell, which most artists have the same control too, so he is no different. I mean do you know how any artists pull their shit off YouTube? I can list em if you want.....but it will take a day or two.

This whole thing seems like speculation on the OP part about what's delaying the time from releasing new music. There wasn't even a direct quote from anyone in his post.

jrodndigo said:

I can't say for sure what's the real reason why Prince won't allow The Time to release an album under the group name seeing that he owns the name, but those were my theories. Everyone knows that The original Time gave him a run for his money on the 1999 tour and that shook him up a bit. And it's been said by Prince himself that The Time was the only band he'd ever been scared of. I hope that it all works out and The Time album gets released. And my sincerest apologies to anyone I might've offended with my views on this. For all I know Prince or one of his peeps could be reading this..(lol).

Please shut up and siddown somewhere and stop spreading rumors attempting to start some shit.

shaking my head

and even if Jellybean DID TELL you something, how are you going to run on a public forum gossiping about it? Dont you think youd be effing up their chance by talking about what a member told you regarding Prince?

Trying for some internet fame

HonestMan13 said:

lastdecember said:

I dont buy it, i just think Jesse is trying to drum up some shit for a project that NO ONE is even interested in outside of a pct of Prince followers from day one till now. Not even the peeps that joined on Purple Rain and jumped ship and new THE TIME really care, PRINCE cant hold up nothing, i love how people think he has this supreme control when he doesnt even have a firm hold on his own music like others have. You all really think way too much of this mans Power, the whole dumb-ass Youtube thing that had to do with Warner not even him, go on you tube i can find more Prince shit than i can for other artists who PUT their stuff up on YouTube themselves. So Prince has no power, with the exception of taking his "likeness" and using it to sell, which most artists have the same control too, so he is no different. I mean do you know how any artists pull their shit off YouTube? I can list em if you want.....but it will take a day or two.

This whole thing seems like speculation on the OP part about what's delaying the time from releasing new music. There wasn't even a direct quote from anyone in his post.

But i have noticed everytime in the last decade or so when Prince pops up and tours and gets some headlines etc....The Time all of a sudden are ready to release an album, or they start playing dates, not that i dislike the Time but this all seems forced and reaks of HYPE starvation, i mean lets be honest Prince was the reason for those early albums that everyone loves, he played everything, no one played until they took the stage, same goes for his band on most of his records, shit Musicology album though has some other credits, Prince was the only one on that record no one else played a lick.

vainandy said:

Prince probably owns the name "The Time" so that may be the hold up. If that's the case, then why not release the album under the name that they tour under which is "Morris Day and The Time"?

Whatever Jellybean may have told you though, I'd be careful about posting it. We all know how lowdown Prince can be and I'd hate to see him come down on Jellybean.

Why should the release it as "Morris Day and The Time". They are known as "The Time" and besides I think Morris Day owns that name. If anything, Morris is the biggest reason why "The Time" brand is still alive after all of these years, not Prince, Jimmy Jam & Terry, or Jesse Johnson. Morris is the one that brought "Morris Day and The Time" brand out here and that plays a key to keeping "The Time" brand out here. If I can recall, Prince does own "The Time" name but, why give the new album the red tape? Yeah, maybe ownership of those master recordings could be an issue. I'm pretty sure those master tapes are in his possession and he may be regain those rights to those recordings in the future. Let's be real, an album by The Time is never complete without Jamie Starr* and I'm not sure if that's around anymore. Prince has grown up but, yet stuck in his ways. Yes, we all know that Jamie Starr*/Prince produced, wrote, and recorded those classic songs but, we also know that "The Time" is not Prince. The Time has grown and (like it or not) their catalog is a strong one. What separated The Time from Prince is the fact that it wasn't all Prince. Prince gave them tha funky record. Morris Day played a key role as collaborator along with members of The Revolution. They helped Prince on The Time's albums as well. I've heard from a real good sources that at one point the game plan was to release two albums. One by "The Time" and the other one by "Morris Day and The Time". I just hope those album see the light of day bcuz it may hurt Prince later. "The Time" brand like "The Family" brand may both be apart of the Prince legacy but, it's not totally Prince. He need to let them put the record out and produce 2 to 4 cuts for the album. Heck, Jamie Starr* could produce something for the "Morris Day and The Time" project as well. Jamie Starr* has some hits! If anything, Prince should embrace his legacy a little more than what he has and stop red taping these cool projects. Then again, I could be wrong.

phunkdaddy said:

Sure u right. I guess that's why the Time needs Prince to get on stage with them and perform

a kick ass show because what the hell would Jimmy, Terry, Jesse, Jellybean, and Monte do

without the Purple one holding their hand to put on a kick ass show.

There's a difference between albums and live shows. Besides which, their kick ass live shows consist of 90% material written and produced solely by Prince.

Again, I love The Time, but let's not get shit twisted here.

HonestMan13 said:

lastdecember said:

I dont buy it, i just think Jesse is trying to drum up some shit for a project that NO ONE is even interested in outside of a pct of Prince followers from day one till now. Not even the peeps that joined on Purple Rain and jumped ship and new THE TIME really care, PRINCE cant hold up nothing, i love how people think he has this supreme control when he doesnt even have a firm hold on his own music like others have. You all really think way too much of this mans Power, the whole dumb-ass Youtube thing that had to do with Warner not even him, go on you tube i can find more Prince shit than i can for other artists who PUT their stuff up on YouTube themselves. So Prince has no power, with the exception of taking his "likeness" and using it to sell, which most artists have the same control too, so he is no different. I mean do you know how any artists pull their shit off YouTube? I can list em if you want.....but it will take a day or two.

This whole thing seems like speculation on the OP part about what's delaying the time from releasing new music. There wasn't even a direct quote from anyone in his post.

That's what I'm saying...I want to know what his exact words were and I can interpret for myself.

lastdecember has a good point though. Some former associate is always trying to portray Prince as the "all powerful one" who holds the power of life and death over careers. Who exactly is afraid of whom?

I know that P has burned a few bridges in his time but why not take a page to two from his playbook and find a way to work around him just like P found ways to work around the biz? They could also learn a lesson from him about dwelling too much on the past.

I mean, we're talking about a group of kickass musicians here, two of whom actually own Flyte Tyme and are respected producers in their own right. Years of one excuse after another makes no sense to me.

P is fortunate to have worked with so many people who are apparently terrified of him 'cuz if it was me he would go bankrupt from suing my azz,

lol

BlaqueKnight can't hide his AntiPrince agenda!

Prince has been holding up new Time albums for like a decade now. The situation has not really changed much.

vainandy said:

Prince probably owns the name "The Time" so that may be the hold up. If that's the case, then why not release the album under the name that they tour under which is "Morris Day and The Time"?

Whatever Jellybean may have told you though, I'd be careful about posting it. We all know how lowdown Prince can be and I'd hate to see him come down on Jellybean.

So far, THIS^ is the best post!

[Edited 1/6/11 21:06pm]

TonyVanDam said:

vainandy said:

Prince probably owns the name "The Time" so that may be the hold up. If that's the case, then why not release the album under the name that they tour under which is "Morris Day and The Time"?

Whatever Jellybean may have told you though, I'd be careful about posting it. We all know how lowdown Prince can be and I'd hate to see him come down on Jellybean.

So far, THIS^ is the best post!

I doubt that it is the NAME holding things up, but I don't think that adding an individual's name on the front is a sufficient "loophole solution" if you're still referring to a band as The Time.

I still haven't seen anything but a bunch of speculation and theories. Where's "the truth"?

Cinnie said:

TonyVanDam said:

So far, THIS^ is the best post!

I doubt that it is the NAME holding things up, but I don't think that adding an individual's name on the front is a sufficient "loophole solution" if you're still referring to a band as The Time.

Prince can be real possessive when it comes to things he considers to be his. Since he came up with the name "The Time", I can see him holding on to it for dear life and not allowing anyone else to make a dime off of it unless he gets the biggest cut of the profits. That may be why they tour under the name "Morris Day and The Time" instead of just "The Time" which Prince probably owns.

I don't know how they get away with doing those songs in concert though since Prince wrote the majority of them. I don't know anything about the legal and business end of performing someone else's songs in concert but I know Prince performs other artists' songs in concert himself also. I don't know if artists need other artists permission to perform those songs in concert but I know that local bands perform cover tunes in concert all the time and I know damn well they aren't contacting those stars to get permission so maybe it doesn't matter as long as they don't record them to be released on an album or video or something. I don't know.

I agree that recording under the name "Morris Day and The Time" might not be the best idea since the album is going to include all the original members of The Time including Jimmy Jam, Terry Lewis, and Jesse Johnson, all of which became stars on their own after leaving The Time. If I were them, I wouldn't put up with having Morris' name out front either like he was the star of the group if I had become a star in my own name myself. The other members probably tolerate it on tour since they were mainly only known for being a Time member and need the work and money that the tour pays.

But for the album to get any sales whatsoever, even from Prince or Time fans, there would have to be some connection to the old name so the fans would know that this is the group they are looking for rather than just coming up with an entirely different name altogether and leaving the fans in the dark not knowing that the group was formerly The Time and thinking it was a different group altogether and not buying the album. I'm sure they could come up with a name to get around it so that the fans knew they were the former Time and also not to put one band member's name out front. How about "It's Time" or even "It's About Time" which would be very appropriate? Those would be good names. Hell, let me name them....I'd call them "Well It's About Damn Time".

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a recent article in Billboard....

The Time Reunite For Tour, New Album

by Gary Graff, Detroit | June 07, 2010 11:50 EDT

The members of The Time predict that this will be the year the iconic funk group's original lineup releases its first album since 1990's "Pandemonium."

Bassist and primary producer Terry Lewis tells Billboard.com that the as-yet-untitled set -- which The Time has been working on in earnest since reuniting for the 2008 Grammy Awards -- is "going into mixing," though keyboardist Jimmy "Jam" Harris, who promises that we'll "absolutely hear (the album) this year," cautions that "we probably have a couple more songs in us" before the set is complete.

And frontman Morris Day says that's been the problem -- too much of a good thing. "The album has been done for a long time now, but we keep adding to it," Day notes with a laugh. "So the deal is we've got to stop cutting at some point because it just keeps getting better and better. At some point we have to have the attitude that, OK, there can also be a second and a third project; we don't have to shoot the whole wad on this one. So I think we're gonna stop now; we might do one or two (more) songs, but we're going to go ahead and put this thing out, finally."

The Time is currently unsigned, but Jam says the group is exploring several options and has had plenty of inquiries, including from Island Def Jam's L.A. Reid, who's a big fan. "Our thing is let's get the record done, then we'll find the best home for it," Jam explains. "We want to go with somebody who's a big fan and is really going to appreciate what we're doing." With the 30th anniversary of its first album coming in 2011, the group also has interest in a retrospective and possibly revamping and reissuing its back catalog.

Day says Time fans will be surprised by the new songs, which he describes as "hard to classify. It's got funk and it's got rock. It's cool, sexy music with attitude." Jam adds that the group has "15 songs, and we probably really love 10 of them -- and that varies from day to day as we listen, honestly." Song titles include "Stingy," "Strawberry Lake" and "If I Were Your Man," and some of the material dates back to writing that began after "Pandemonium" was released. "We didn't anticipate we wouldn't make another album for 20 years," Jam explains. "Most of those ideas are still valid ideas."

Jam says the new material "is definitely funky" and promises that "there's definitely going to be some extended jams on there. We've never been into writing three-minute songs. Our three-minute songs always turn into six minutes; there might be three minutes of song and three minutes of a groove and we don't want to lose any of the groove. Some songs we can certainly edit down to single length, but on the album we're going to leave the grooves intact."

The Time -- which also includes guitarist Jesse Johnson, keyboardist Monte Moir, drummer Jellybean Johnson and hype man Jermone Benton -- is in the midst of a four-date Stingy Tour, which recently played in Las Vegas and will bring the band to its longtime stronghold of Detroit on June 11 and a homecoming show on June 13 in Minneapolis. "It's good creative fuel for us to perform live," Jam says, "and then we can get back in the studio and bring that energy with us." Jesse Johnson, meanwhile, will spend the summer touring to promote his latest solo album, "Verbal Penetration Vol. I & II" and plans to open for the Time when it tours in earnest to promote the new album.

Day, who still leads an adjunct of the Time that includes Moir and Johnson, says that The Time's prospects after the album's release are "yet to be revealed."

"We all have busy careers and lives and families and all of that now," he says. "Whether everybody is going to be able to go out there on the road and do this like we used to is questionable. But we're definitely going to put a tour together and drop this music and see where it goes."

©2010 Billboard. All rights reserved.

I can't believe this thread still hasn't been moved over to the associated artists section yet. A few months ago, I made a Larry Graham "Sooner Or Later" song of the day thread and it was moved instantly and Larry released that song in 1982 years before there was any Prince connection.

FACT: Prince owns the name. This no speculation. Prince went as far as to copyright "Mazarati" and "Good Question", two bands he hardly had anything to do with! WHY did he do it? I don't have a fucking clue but it might be related to future plans concerning the whole Paisley Park catalogue!!! Prince can't claim the masters of most Mazarati and any Good Question material, but he CAN force them to rerelease their material on NPG Records if he can prevent them for using their own name to do so on another label. That's crazy, though.

FACT: The 2004 live album had to be a "Morris Day" album, not even "Morris Day and The Time" but just "Morris Day", because Prince said "no".

FACT: Maybe one year ago, one Time member told the press that Prince gave them his approval for using the name again. Has Prince changed his mind? I don't know.

FACT: We still don't know what this original thread is about since we don't know what Jesse actually SAID.

I hardly understand why Prince would allow The Time to use his copyright and deny it to The Family. The Family won't ever make a buck outta their project, while The Time benefit from Jam & Lewis' experience as HUGE hitmakers (Janet Jackson anyone?).

The success of the whole project mostly depends on Jam and Lewis' capacity to make it commercially appealing, much more than the (mostly unknown by young audiences) Time name. Therefore it could be released under any other name for that matter...

My best guess really is that it's all about the remasters and unreleased back catalogue. Prince definitely has plans for his past catalogue, including The Family and The Time, and he probably doesn't want the actual bands to have a say on what he wants to do with what he considers HIS music. It's possible that allowing them to release THEIR music under these names might open a legal breach that they could later use to claim ownership of past material (any lawyer around here?).

As for people covering other artists' material weither live or in the studio, they need no approval from anyone as long as they pay royalties, so Morris can play Prince songs as much as he wants. And i don't know if "Morris Day and The Time" constitutes a trademark of its own (obviously not since it couldn't be used for the live album) or if Prince just let it go (remember that he earns money from their concerts, since they have to give ASCAP money in order to play the songs).

vainandy said:

I can't believe this thread still hasn't been moved over to the associated artists section yet. A few months ago, I made a Larry Graham "Sooner Or Later" song of the day thread and it was moved instantly and Larry released that song in 1982 years before there was any Prince connection.

Militant said:

Listen up. If Prince has NO involvement with The Time's new album, then A) It ain't really a Time album, and B) they need to kiss some purple ass because he DOES own the name and is perfectly entitled to stop them from using it.

Crawl out the guys ass for a moment eh?

The band is a separate entity from Prince, and there's enough talent in there to make a great album without him. In fact it'd probably be a better album, much like The Family's reunion album - I was glad Prince wasn't involved. Not saying Prince couldn't input something good, but he's too oppressive of an influence - it stops being a band record and becomes his, and that's why there's all the bad blood between him and various ex-associates in the first place.

Prince might be "entitled" to stop them using the name, but it's a dick move. He's not using the name, and even if he did without the actual band what would be the point. It's pathetic that he stopped The Family from using the name, a project he's had no interest in since 1985 FFS. It's not about what is "legal" or "own" - it's just human decency. Prince taking his ball and going home, if he can't be team captain, then no one's allowed to play.

I would think he'd be on better terms with The Time members and this BS not be an issue, but if it is, they should totally side step him just like the Family did - HE is not needed.

Graycap23 said:

READ CAREFULLY:

Prince has put out 5 cd's and countless bootlegs since the Family and the Time claimed they were going 2 put out a new cd. If they really wanted 2 release something, change the name of the band and move forward intsead of blaming Prince.

No wonder Prince doesn't want 2 work with these folks.

Keep blaming Prince all u want, the proof is in your LACK of output, NOT Prince.

Do you honestly think it's as easy for a group like The Family to put something out as it is for Prince?

Let's not forget Prince has got fuck all else to do but twiddle knobs at Paisley Park all night in between awaiting the Rapture and approving his new QVC-style blouses made by his personal team of seamstresses. He shits out a mediocre collection of 10 embarassingly self-repeating tracks and thinks that's job done - other people have real world obligations, AND they want a good product too - something you could never say of Prince, quantity over quality has been the name of the game since the 90s.

NouveauDance said:

Militant said:

Listen up. If Prince has NO involvement with The Time's new album, then A) It ain't really a Time album, and B) they need to kiss some purple ass because he DOES own the name and is perfectly entitled to stop them from using it.

Crawl out the guys ass for a moment eh?

The band is a separate entity from Prince, and there's enough talent in there to make a great album without him. In fact it'd probably be a better album, much like The Family's reunion album - I was glad Prince wasn't involved. Not saying Prince couldn't input something good, but he's too oppressive of an influence - it stops being a band record and becomes his, and that's why there's all the bad blood between him and various ex-associates in the first place.

Prince might be "entitled" to stop them using the name, but it's a dick move. He's not using the name, and even if he did without the actual band what would be the point. It's pathetic that he stopped The Family from using the name, a project he's had no interest in since 1985 FFS. It's not about what is "legal" or "own" - it's just human decency. Prince taking his ball and going home, if he can't be team captain, then no one's allowed to play.

I would think he'd be on better terms with The Time members and this BS not be an issue, but if it is, they should totally side step him just like the Family did - HE is not needed.

I agree with everything you said We all know that the Time was Prince's creation and that he wrote/produced most of their songs,but that's still no reason for him to behave like a jackass regarding their reunion plans.He should step back,let them do their thing,and stop trying to control them.His own career is doing fine.Focus on that and allow the Time and the Family to do their thing.

NouveauDance said:

Do you honestly think it's as easy for a group like The Family to put something out as it is for Prince?

Let's not forget Prince has got fuck all else to do but twiddle knobs at Paisley Park all night in between awaiting the Rapture and approving his new QVC-style blouses made by his personal team of seamstresses. He shits out a mediocre collection of 10 embarassingly self-repeating tracks and thinks that's job done - other people have real world obligations, AND they want a good product too - something you could never say of Prince, quantity over quality has been the name of the game since the 90s.

@ the bold parts

@ the rest

phunkdaddy said:

Militant said:

Don't come with that cryptic shit and not say exactly what you mean. What is "known"?

Because TWO members of Prince's band told me DIRECTLY that the only people involved with those first two albums were Prince, Morris, Lisa and Dez. And it wasn't said under Prince's approval, it was said in private conversations.

Of course those guys are accomplished musicians and producers and nobody said they aren't capable of producing an album on their own. It just wouldn't be a "real" Time album without Prince, given that he produced and wrote the VAST majority of the first three albums and a significant portion of the 4th.

Sure u right. I guess that's why the Time needs Prince to get on stage with them and perform

a kick ass show because what the hell would Jimmy, Terry, Jesse, Jellybean, and Monte do

without the Purple one holding their hand to put on a kick ass show.

Some fans act as if the Time are talentless puppets,unable to do anything without Prince.

Graycap23 said:

My take: The Time records a new project in hopes of going on the road with Prince.

Princes says no. Blame Prince 4 not being able 2 release the project.

Why would they hope to go on the road with Prince when they have already

been touring on their own? But yes they should be able to release a new album as Morris

Day and The Time.