Co-Sign. I have only said this same thing for years. Maybe dude treated her like crap but she hung around to get a record deal. Do not sell yourself out and then be angry about 25 years later. | |
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Does anyone remember O'Connor taking back this story. If he did this he was being an asshole but you cannot say something like that in the press and then take the story back. | |
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This is my problem with both of these women. Physical abuse is a CRIME. If Prince comitted this crime, why did they use Rolling Stone, FB and other assorted media rather than the POLICE?
I just don't get it. The reluctant, scared, brainwashed victim theory doesn't fit because they verbalized what happened. However, rather than verbalize to the police, they use media?
I don't get it, and it hurts their credibitility with me. None of us were there, so we will never know. However, it is suspect in the larger scheme of things. perfection is a fallacy of the imagination... | |
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Regarding Sinead, there was (allegedly) just the threat of violence and i'm sure she had no problem sharing the anectode with RS. With Jill, i'm pretty sure any physical altercation between she & P (if ANY) occurred in the 80's/90's and domestic violence was still in the closet (well, moreso than it is today). • Did you first think Prince was gay? •
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Is there a statue of limitation involving anger? I believe that she is entitled to feel however she wants to feel for as long as she wants to feel it. At the end of the day, obviously, someone was interested in what she had to say or we wouldn't be "discussing" this now. | |
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Yes, I agree. But, with that being said, look at R. Kelly's sex tape scandel for example. They went to the police and the world saw the outcome of that. (I saw the tape (ugh) and I'm sorry R, but...) Unfortunately, with issues such as Sinead's and Jill's, unless the jury is truly non-bias, it, more than likely, would have ending in Prince's favor. | |
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Thank you.
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Read my post. It was in response to the post quoted... not yours. "Remember, one man's filler is another man's killer" -- Haystack | |
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"Remember, one man's filler is another man's killer" -- Haystack | |
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Let me preface this by saying that I am in NO WAY defending R. Kelly or any man or woman who abuses another physically.
However, in the R. Kelly case, that victim chose to not come forward - for whatever reason. Therefore, if in 25 years when R. Kelly receives a lifetime achievement award from BET, my reaction to her would be the same as to Jill if she posted something similar on FB about Kelly. We all have to accept the consequences of our actions. Jill, unlike the girl in the Kelly case, was a grown woman who chose to hand over a large part (about a decade or so ) of her life to a man who was never going to start her. She was always going to be coming off the bench. How many years did it take for her to figure that out? Now she's bitter about the choices she made in her life - the choice to exchange self-respect and/or mental/physical safety to be with Prince and hopefully become a "star." And she's still crying about it on a social networking site? How old is she? Go to therapy, write a book, pray, do whatever and move on. Life is too short to be bitter and holding grudges. I just don't have any sympathy for her. The way her life turned out is no one's fault but her own. perfection is a fallacy of the imagination... | |
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I don't get what the purpose is of posting something inflammatory like that, but then turning around and changing it. If it's true, then why be afraid of the consequences of your statement? Why put something out there for just a few minutes (or how ever long it was...)? She got some attention from Prince fans...woohoo! It just seems very passive-aggressive to me...take a stab then run and hide, which makes you look like a stupid old liar in my book.
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or she doesn't have the money to hire the type of lawyers that Prince can. It's sometimes not about who is guilty or a victim, it's often about who can hire the better lawyer. My art book: http://www.lulu.com/spotl...ecomicskid
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Could be that, or maybe she's just human and, for whatever reasons that day at that moment, she was emotional and revved up about the issue/s that still exists (for her, at least) between herself and Prince, and she had a lapse in judgement and posted that first status update..then later she realized that was a bad idea and re-posted. People do stuff like that all the time, which is why 'delete comment' and edit functions exist. | |
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Very valid points..but the most valid is what you said about life being too short to be bitter or hold a grudge. I've always maintained that holding grudges only hold YOU back, not the person that you are upset with...who either don't know or don't care that they have hurt you. In Jill's case..yes, she may be bitter. And that is her right to be bitter, only she has to live with it. As for her posts...well, as you said "We all have to accept the consequences of our actions." Obviously, Prince doesn't care what she says about him or he would "shut her up" like the others. | |
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nvm lol [Edited 7/3/10 18:33pm] | |
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-------- She can go somewhere and keep her anger to herself. She made her bed when she continued to hang around with a womanizer who did nothing to hide his behavior. If he assaulted her she was a moron for not contacting the police because in the end he really did nothing for her career therefore, she sold herself out for nothing.
As far as interest in her stories, well she took that mess off her Face book page so how seriously can you take her.
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Let's take the police out of this discussion, because we all know that the law doesn't always work in the favor of the abused. Especially, when the abuser is a "celebrity."
Abusers are manipulative (I'm sorry, I love you, it will never happen again, I'll changed, Please, don't leave, we can work this out, etc.). That is based on known traits of an abuser, not Prince. Nobody knows what really happened besides those who were or weren't involved. The abused will believe whatever the abuser says (out of love, fear, hope, denial, shame, etc) And again, this is based on known traits of a victim, not Jill. If she was physical abused by Prince, I doubt she stayed with him because of a "promised" record deal. (Unless, she admitted to staying becuz of a record deal and if that is the case...no comment) I, however, don't suggest "she can go somewhere and keep her anger to herself, " because that's not healthy. Keeping it to herself is why she had that outburst on Facebook. Whereas, had she joined a support group or sought some other form of therapy then she could have made peace with the situation. Please, don't ever turn a person away who is obviously in pain.
Here' s my first question to you: Are you truly that apathetic or is it because of who she is accusing?
Also, let me state this. Based on things that Mayte said about her relationship with Prince, I'd say that he does have control issues. Control tends to led to other forms of abuse (emotional, mental, physical, and sexual), once the controller sense defiance. She took it as him being over-protective.
Here's my final question: Is it that hard to believe that Prince could have hit Jill or any woman for that matter? | |
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After reading all the posts, while JJ may have called Prince and abuser, she never stated it was her he abused (even before she cleaned up the statement) from what has been posted here.
Can I believe that maybe he hit her....anything is believable, he is no angel or above human frailties.
To still hold a grudge 25 years later after the fact.......is frightening, for her. That means she has not allowed herself to heal or move on in 25 years.
Not to say get over it, but she needs to make peace and move past it.
Holding on to the grudge is not good for her. Because of their half-baked mistakes, we get ice cream, no cake; all lies, no truth; is it fair to Kill the YOUTH ~~ Party Up | |
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Are you truly that apathetic or is it because of who she is accusing?
I am apathetic toward woman that are weak. I do not care if the person is rich or famous if someone attacks you file a police report so you have written documentation. It also just might make scare the asshole so that he or she stops hitting people.
I had a cousin who was attacked and she went right to the police and that fool left her alone.
Based on things that Mayte said about her relationship with Prince, I'd say that he does have control issues?
I took from Mayte's comments that he has emotional issues and therefore can be mentally and emotionally abusive. The running around with a dozen different woman at one time tells you everything you need to know.
Is it that hard to believe that Prince could have hit Jill or any woman for that matter?
No it is not more than one person has discussed his temper. However, I could also see a good sized woman knocking the crap out of him. | |
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Let me start with this...even the strongest woman will occasionally have a weak moment. Thank God, you were never exposed to any "weak" women. Nobody's that strong. 1. Well, I consider your cousin and myself lucky. Nicole Simpson had written documentation, too. Sometimes, the punk doesn't stop... 2. Him running around with all of those women just categorizes him a ho. When he told her what to wear, that she couldn't go to the hospital to confirm her pregnancy, and when/what she could eat during pregnancy...that's control. 3. We all have tempers, but that doesn't justify putting hands on anyone. And as far as self-defense goes, any size woman can knock the shyt out of any size man. It's called the cast-iron skillet to his head. \ Seriously, I use to think like you until I experienced it for myself...and, for the record, nothing about me classifies me as "weak." You are entitled to feel anyway you want, my posts are merely to express how I feel and why. Try being a little less judgmental.
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You are absolutely correct she didn't say that it was her that he "possibly" abused and grudges do only hurt the holder. | |
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If anyone can post her FB page, I have been looking for it but I only have a fan page.
Sorry if it is a bother. I have tried looking on my own. Because of their half-baked mistakes, we get ice cream, no cake; all lies, no truth; is it fair to Kill the YOUTH ~~ Party Up | |
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Maria, I am sorry to hear that you experienced violence. No woman deserves that. And you are right. the telling Mayte what to wear, what to eat, where to go, when to call... all control issues. And I can really really see how a person with control issues could escalate to physical violence.
One victim is compliant due to fear... the other victim has "mouth or attitude" which escalates the abuse.
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Jill would be even more of a nobody had she not known Prince. If she said that, it is because she is so irrelevant that she has to glom onto the increased media exposure that is around Prince right now. If she wants to insinuate that Prince has beaten women, she needs to come striaght like a real woman - better yet, she should have come out when it happened. The reason she didnt is because it didnt happen. If she was a victim, she could have come away with a bundle and publicized the cause of abuse prevention. Be she decides to sit on all these years and then - like a coward - throw some sideways comments out there with nothing but an intentions of malice and hate. | |
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But some women lie about such things - believe it or not. If she was concerned about bringing Prince to justice or being a champion for abuse, she should have said something when it happened - there would be evidence to confirm her story. The only thing that can be accomplished by bringing it up now is to hurt Prince's image - so intelligent people will think that is all there is to it. SHe actually is doing herself a disservice. She just sounds like a bitter hoochie with limited talent and some looks that Prince banged and left. | |
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O Connor deserved to have her ass kicked back then. That hate crap she did back then was uncalled for and most uncool. | |
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that's hateful!! ok, we all get it, you don't believe that Prince could be an abuser. and any woman who would come out saying otherwise is a "bitter hoochie w/ limited talent and some looks that he banged and left." you do realize he has banged a lot of "limited talent and some looks" females, including both of his ex-wives. if mayte and mani said this about him 25 years from now, would you be so quick to say this about them? and with the exception of sheila, who were any of the women before sleeping with him. i know that there are some people here with intelligence who had asked if she was even talking about him and if she was...was she talking about him and her? and there are others here with intelligence who aren't closed-minded to the idea that he could. i'm not saying that you are ignorant, i don't know you, but right now you represent the reason why some women don't come forward. at the end of the day, isn't this between the victim and the abuser....whoever they are. | |
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