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woogiebear

"Verbal Penetration" by Jesse Johnson

Man, I CANNOT STOP listening to this project!!!!! Anyhoo- I know that Jesse said he was most in tune w/Curtis Mayfield when putting together this project. And the Hendrix/Hazel comparisons won't stop. HOWEVER- Am I the ONLY one that hears Stevie Wonder in the chorus and groove of Verbal Penetration?????
cool cool cool
CUT EM JESSE!!!!!
cool cool cool

Ur thoughts please.....
[Edited 1/31/10 19:04pm]
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Reply #1 posted 02/01/10 11:23am

Brofie

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This would have been a solid 1 disc album. The first disc meanders along well enough but that second disc is burdened down with crap - I bet over half of it is spoken word nonsense that isnt even Jesse. And whe he does it, it is an embarrasingly self serving fake interview. I mean who includes a staged interview on a record in which the intervier tells them they smell good?? And what is all ranting from the black woman about Moors? After the first minute of that, who gives a shit?

It is am impressive stretch - just a bit much of a stretch. In over reaching and verging into te realm of pretentiousness, Jesse did manage to touch on some gems. "Ali vs Frazier" showcases the versatility of the most unsung guitar hero of our age - and it does so without all the traditional rock n roll posturing that so many make obligatory. However, I do find myself skipping around the tracks looking for something that will just peel my cap back with guitar like Brand New Day or SHock To The System from Bare My Naked Soul. I an glad to finally see something from Jesse. I am just glad I downloaded it for free.
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Reply #2 posted 02/01/10 2:11pm

Zannaloaf

Brofie said:

This would have been a solid 1 disc album. The first disc meanders along well enough but that second disc is burdened down with crap - I bet over half of it is spoken word nonsense that isnt even Jesse. And whe he does it, it is an embarrasingly self serving fake interview. I mean who includes a staged interview on a record in which the intervier tells them they smell good?? And what is all ranting from the black woman about Moors? After the first minute of that, who gives a shit?

It is am impressive stretch - just a bit much of a stretch. In over reaching and verging into te realm of pretentiousness, Jesse did manage to touch on some gems. "Ali vs Frazier" showcases the versatility of the most unsung guitar hero of our age - and it does so without all the traditional rock n roll posturing that so many make obligatory. However, I do find myself skipping around the tracks looking for something that will just peel my cap back with guitar like Brand New Day or SHock To The System from Bare My Naked Soul. I an glad to finally see something from Jesse. I am just glad I downloaded it for free.


I'm sure Jesse is glad you stole it too.
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Reply #3 posted 02/01/10 7:43pm

diamondpearl1

Brofie said:

This would have been a solid 1 disc album. The first disc meanders along well enough but that second disc is burdened down with crap - I bet over half of it is spoken word nonsense that isnt even Jesse. And whe he does it, it is an embarrasingly self serving fake interview. I mean who includes a staged interview on a record in which the intervier tells them they smell good?? And what is all ranting from the black woman about Moors? After the first minute of that, who gives a shit?

It is am impressive stretch - just a bit much of a stretch. In over reaching and verging into te realm of pretentiousness, Jesse did manage to touch on some gems. "Ali vs Frazier" showcases the versatility of the most unsung guitar hero of our age - and it does so without all the traditional rock n roll posturing that so many make obligatory. However, I do find myself skipping around the tracks looking for something that will just peel my cap back with guitar like Brand New Day or SHock To The System from Bare My Naked Soul. I an glad to finally see something from Jesse. I am just glad I downloaded it for free.


The ones that knocked me out were were "My Life", "I Miss", "Cry Like The Skies","Bella Bella", and "You Don't Love Me The Same". It seems like on "Bare" Jesse just said "Fuck the bullshit, I'm gonna cry thru the music." Where on "Verbal" he's gotta re-introduce himself and try and please every segment of the audience old and new. I'm glad 2 hear him makin music again after all these years, but I hope he's in another all out funk/rock mood again next album....
[Edited 2/1/10 19:52pm]
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Reply #4 posted 02/01/10 7:53pm

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jesse gave up on funk as soon as the 90s hit.

i still have yet to hear the whole album but i will probably buy it in the future to burn a copy for a friend.
You're so glam, every time I see you I wanna slam!
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Reply #5 posted 02/02/10 8:00am

funksterr

I have not gotten past disc 1, yet. But that's only because disc 1 is straight up good. It ain't the Funk I was hoping for, but it does have elements of the classic Minneapolis Sound. I can't get over what Jesse was able to do with the Musicology vibe. It's like he stripped all the bullcrap out of Prince's new sounds and mixed it with the Sign Of The Times feel. It's hard to believe Prince is not on this record because it sounds like he is, but if he's not he should get with Jesse for his next album.
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Reply #6 posted 02/02/10 2:05pm

Brofie

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Zannaloaf said:

Brofie said:

This would have been a solid 1 disc album. The first disc meanders along well enough but that second disc is burdened down with crap - I bet over half of it is spoken word nonsense that isnt even Jesse. And whe he does it, it is an embarrasingly self serving fake interview. I mean who includes a staged interview on a record in which the intervier tells them they smell good?? And what is all ranting from the black woman about Moors? After the first minute of that, who gives a shit?

It is am impressive stretch - just a bit much of a stretch. In over reaching and verging into te realm of pretentiousness, Jesse did manage to touch on some gems. "Ali vs Frazier" showcases the versatility of the most unsung guitar hero of our age - and it does so without all the traditional rock n roll posturing that so many make obligatory. However, I do find myself skipping around the tracks looking for something that will just peel my cap back with guitar like Brand New Day or SHock To The System from Bare My Naked Soul. I an glad to finally see something from Jesse. I am just glad I downloaded it for free.


I'm sure Jesse is glad you stole it too.

I am as well - because I wasnt going to pay money for it. This way I heard it when I would not have otherwise. Artists want to be heard.
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Reply #7 posted 02/02/10 2:07pm

Brofie

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funksterr said:

I have not gotten past disc 1, yet. But that's only because disc 1 is straight up good. It ain't the Funk I was hoping for, but it does have elements of the classic Minneapolis Sound. I can't get over what Jesse was able to do with the Musicology vibe. It's like he stripped all the bullcrap out of Prince's new sounds and mixed it with the Sign Of The Times feel. It's hard to believe Prince is not on this record because it sounds like he is, but if he's not he should get with Jesse for his next album.

Right - Prince needs to get with all of his old associates all the time - throw in Wendy adn Lisa as well. They are all doing so great without him...
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Reply #8 posted 02/02/10 6:08pm

LinnLM1

Brofie said:

funksterr said:

I have not gotten past disc 1, yet. But that's only because disc 1 is straight up good. It ain't the Funk I was hoping for, but it does have elements of the classic Minneapolis Sound. I can't get over what Jesse was able to do with the Musicology vibe. It's like he stripped all the bullcrap out of Prince's new sounds and mixed it with the Sign Of The Times feel. It's hard to believe Prince is not on this record because it sounds like he is, but if he's not he should get with Jesse for his next album.

Right - Prince needs to get with all of his old associates all the time - throw in Wendy adn Lisa as well. They are all doing so great without him...


Artistically, they are - Wendy & Lisa and Jesse that is. Much better artistically than Prince has been doing - though admittedly that's not very difficult the last 20 years or so.

I LOVE Verbal Penetration. I'm enjoying the hell out of it. Its reminded me of how much I missed old skool funk with that touch of nastiness in the sound. For the longest time now Prince's music has seriously lacked a bad-ass edge. Verbal Penetration has a bad-ass streak to it that makes all the difference.
[Edited 2/2/10 18:09pm]
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Reply #9 posted 02/02/10 9:04pm

funksterr

Brofie said:

funksterr said:

I have not gotten past disc 1, yet. But that's only because disc 1 is straight up good. It ain't the Funk I was hoping for, but it does have elements of the classic Minneapolis Sound. I can't get over what Jesse was able to do with the Musicology vibe. It's like he stripped all the bullcrap out of Prince's new sounds and mixed it with the Sign Of The Times feel. It's hard to believe Prince is not on this record because it sounds like he is, but if he's not he should get with Jesse for his next album.

Right - Prince needs to get with all of his old associates all the time - throw in Wendy adn Lisa as well. They are all doing so great without him...


Yeah he seriously does. Jesse just dropped a classic. I hope Prince is taking note. His buddy Jesse just one upped him, big time. No joke. The mixes on Verbal Penetration are outstanding. The songs are fun, the guitars on point. You get some blues, some R&B, some rock and funk and some classic Time sounds, yet the record sounds cohesive and nothing sounds forced or out of place. I can find dozens of sweet spots in the music. And more importantly his rebuke of the monetizing of negative racial stereotypes in music, or hip-hop as some of you call it, is like soup for the soul. I love the track about the N-word! But I don't want to say too much until I listen to the tracks more. biggrin
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Reply #10 posted 02/03/10 4:44am

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its an great Album! love it too! very funky biggrin ...but cd.2 is kinda shit confused why a second cd?
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Reply #11 posted 02/03/10 6:46am

Graycap23

xtraloveable83 said:

its an great Album! love it too! very funky biggrin ...but cd.2 is kinda shit confused why a second cd?
[Edited 2/3/10 4:45am]

Think of the 2nd cd as a audio version of LINER Notes.
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Reply #12 posted 02/03/10 7:24am

Brofie

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Graycap23 said:

xtraloveable83 said:

its an great Album! love it too! very funky biggrin ...but cd.2 is kinda shit confused why a second cd?
[Edited 2/3/10 4:45am]

Think of the 2nd cd as a audio version of LINER Notes.


Thinking of the 2nd disc like liner notes would mean at some point you would have to realize that you just got ripped off for a 2 disc set with 1 disc worth of real music. Since when do you pay for a second disc just to get liner notes? Liner natoes are supposed to be free! So I will leave that thinking to the less enlightened and maintain my position that this album should have been one disc and, to that extent, is a slight disappointment after repeated plays.
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Reply #13 posted 02/03/10 7:25am

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funksterr said:

Brofie said:


Right - Prince needs to get with all of his old associates all the time - throw in Wendy adn Lisa as well. They are all doing so great without him...


Yeah he seriously does. Jesse just dropped a classic. I hope Prince is taking note. His buddy Jesse just one upped him, big time. No joke. The mixes on Verbal Penetration are outstanding. The songs are fun, the guitars on point. You get some blues, some R&B, some rock and funk and some classic Time sounds, yet the record sounds cohesive and nothing sounds forced or out of place. I can find dozens of sweet spots in the music. And more importantly his rebuke of the monetizing of negative racial stereotypes in music, or hip-hop as some of you call it, is like soup for the soul. I love the track about the N-word! But I don't want to say too much until I listen to the tracks more. biggrin

I was being sarcastic. It is not stupid Prince enough seek out people that he made and continues to transcend with his genius work.
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Reply #14 posted 02/03/10 7:54am

Graycap23

Brofie said:

Graycap23 said:


Think of the 2nd cd as a audio version of LINER Notes.


Thinking of the 2nd disc like liner notes would mean at some point you would have to realize that you just got ripped off for a 2 disc set with 1 disc worth of real music. Since when do you pay for a second disc just to get liner notes? Liner natoes are supposed to be free! So I will leave that thinking to the less enlightened and maintain my position that this album should have been one disc and, to that extent, is a slight disappointment after repeated plays.

Why do u care.....u got it 4 FREE.
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Reply #15 posted 02/03/10 1:36pm

phunkdaddy

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Brofie said:

Graycap23 said:


Think of the 2nd cd as a audio version of LINER Notes.


Thinking of the 2nd disc like liner notes would mean at some point you would have to realize that you just got ripped off for a 2 disc set with 1 disc worth of real music. Since when do you pay for a second disc just to get liner notes? Liner natoes are supposed to be free! So I will leave that thinking to the less enlightened and maintain my position that this album should have been one disc and, to that extent, is a slight disappointment after repeated plays.


I didn't get ripped off. Hell it's about 15 tracks on the first
disc excluding 3 interludes which is more than most artists give
you on cd's nowaday anyway. And the first two tracks on the second
cd is good enough for me as Get Next to You is one of the finer tracks
on the entire 2 cd set and Ali vs Frazier showcases Jesse playing a nice
bluesy jazz arrangement.
Don't laugh at my funk
This funk is a serious joint
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Reply #16 posted 02/04/10 5:44am

Brofie

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phunkdaddy said:

Brofie said:



Thinking of the 2nd disc like liner notes would mean at some point you would have to realize that you just got ripped off for a 2 disc set with 1 disc worth of real music. Since when do you pay for a second disc just to get liner notes? Liner natoes are supposed to be free! So I will leave that thinking to the less enlightened and maintain my position that this album should have been one disc and, to that extent, is a slight disappointment after repeated plays.


I didn't get ripped off. Hell it's about 15 tracks on the first
disc excluding 3 interludes which is more than most artists give
you on cd's nowaday anyway. And the first two tracks on the second
cd is good enough for me as Get Next to You is one of the finer tracks
on the entire 2 cd set and Ali vs Frazier showcases Jesse playing a nice
bluesy jazz arrangement.


YOu only called off about 1 album's worth of real music - that is not worth 2 discs
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Reply #17 posted 02/04/10 6:09am

Graycap23

Brofie said:

phunkdaddy said:



I didn't get ripped off. Hell it's about 15 tracks on the first
disc excluding 3 interludes which is more than most artists give
you on cd's nowaday anyway. And the first two tracks on the second
cd is good enough for me as Get Next to You is one of the finer tracks
on the entire 2 cd set and Ali vs Frazier showcases Jesse playing a nice
bluesy jazz arrangement.


YOu only called off about 1 album's worth of real music - that is not worth 2 discs

I don't get your point. This was priced as a single disk.
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Reply #18 posted 02/04/10 12:08pm

Brofie

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Graycap23 said:

Brofie said:



YOu only called off about 1 album's worth of real music - that is not worth 2 discs

I don't get your point. This was priced as a single disk.

It still took up 2 discs - This is Jesse Johnson; not Beyonce. He wasnt exactly moving boatloads of units. The amount of material is not worth 2 discs or the price of one disc (as the price of one disc is ridiculous today anyway). I didnt pay for it since it was readiily available online for nothing - and I still feel a loss for the 2 blank CD-Rs I used to burn it.

That's the best I can do for an explanation of the economics of perceived value.
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Reply #19 posted 02/04/10 12:36pm

Graycap23

Brofie said:

Graycap23 said:


I don't get your point. This was priced as a single disk.

It still took up 2 discs - This is Jesse Johnson; not Beyonce. He wasnt exactly moving boatloads of units. The amount of material is not worth 2 discs or the price of one disc (as the price of one disc is ridiculous today anyway). I didnt pay for it since it was readiily available online for nothing - and I still feel a loss for the 2 blank CD-Rs I used to burn it.

That's the best I can do for an explanation of the economics of perceived value.

Brofie.....U tripping.
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Reply #20 posted 02/04/10 1:30pm

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I don't care what any of you say.
Not only was Verbal Penetration the best record I heard in 2009 but it was better than anything I've heard Prince do in YEARS. YEARS! At least a decade. And as for the 2nd disc - he wasn't speaking to everyone with it. Its understandable why some would turn a deaf ear to it. I got it. Others did/will, too. Some music is entertainment, some is about expression. Jesse was expressing himself. It was a solid TWO DISC record.

[Edited 2/4/10 13:34pm]
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Reply #21 posted 02/04/10 2:49pm

boxerboy

Even my van driver likes disc 1 after I left it in one day.. to get old Pat to ask me to burn a copy off was deemed as one of my greatest achievements. Shockadelica (still my favourite) didn't go down quite as well though. Maybe I will try a bit of Ingrid Chavez next week and see how white van man copes with that.
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Reply #22 posted 02/04/10 3:12pm

LinnLM1

BlaqueKnight said:

I don't care what any of you say.
Not only was Verbal Penetration the best record I heard in 2009 but it was better than anything I've heard Prince do in YEARS. YEARS! At least a decade. And as for the 2nd disc - he wasn't speaking to everyone with it. Its understandable why some would turn a deaf ear to it. I got it. Others did/will, too. Some music is entertainment, some is about expression. Jesse was expressing himself. It was a solid TWO DISC record.

[Edited 2/4/10 13:34pm]


Quote 4 truth.
the music knows what your motives are when you are making it

listen to The Replacements - its good for the soul
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Reply #23 posted 02/04/10 6:48pm

woogiebear

funksterr said:

I have not gotten past disc 1, yet. But that's only because disc 1 is straight up good. It ain't the Funk I was hoping for, but it does have elements of the classic Minneapolis Sound. I can't get over what Jesse was able to do with the Musicology vibe. It's like he stripped all the bullcrap out of Prince's new sounds and mixed it with the Sign Of The Times feel. It's hard to believe Prince is not on this record because it sounds like he is, but if he's not he should get with Jesse for his next album.


Prince's EGO won't let him get down w/Jesse!!!!!
It WOULD b nice 2 hear, though!!!!!
cool cool cool
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Reply #24 posted 02/04/10 6:55pm

woogiebear

I'd like 2 think of it as his SIGN 'O THE TIMES or RAINBOW CHILDREN but BETTER!!!!
And all the preaching that P did on that CD, but y'all didn't say SH*T!!!!! U kissed his ass like U always do!!!!! Let Jesse do his thang!!!!
To me, P hasn't put out anything substansially solid since MUSICOLOGY. Everything else has been spotty at best.
VERBAL PENETRATION musically SH*TS on anything P has done since MUSICOLOGY!!!!
And don't get it twisted- I'm a HUGE fan of BOTH!!!!!
cool cool cool
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Reply #25 posted 02/04/10 10:36pm

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Graycap23 said:

Brofie said:


It still took up 2 discs - This is Jesse Johnson; not Beyonce. He wasnt exactly moving boatloads of units. The amount of material is not worth 2 discs or the price of one disc (as the price of one disc is ridiculous today anyway). I didnt pay for it since it was readiily available online for nothing - and I still feel a loss for the 2 blank CD-Rs I used to burn it.

That's the best I can do for an explanation of the economics of perceived value.

Brofie.....U tripping.


More like sipping.
Don't laugh at my funk
This funk is a serious joint
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Reply #26 posted 02/04/10 10:40pm

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Graycap23 said:

Brofie said:



YOu only called off about 1 album's worth of real music - that is not worth 2 discs

I don't get your point. This was priced as a single disk.


Exactly. It's not like we paid 17 dollars for the cd. blahblah
Don't laugh at my funk
This funk is a serious joint
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Reply #27 posted 02/05/10 5:57am

Graycap23

phunkdaddy said:

Graycap23 said:


Brofie.....U tripping.


More like sipping.

razz
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Reply #28 posted 02/05/10 11:59am

Landonfunkmonk
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woogiebear said:

I'd like 2 think of it as his SIGN 'O THE TIMES or RAINBOW CHILDREN but BETTER!!!!
And all the preaching that P did on that CD, but y'all didn't say SH*T!!!!! U kissed his ass like U always do!!!!! Let Jesse do his thang!!!!
To me, P hasn't put out anything substansially solid since MUSICOLOGY. Everything else has been spotty at best.
VERBAL PENETRATION musically SH*TS on anything P has done since MUSICOLOGY!!!!
And don't get it twisted- I'm a HUGE fan of BOTH!!!!!
cool cool cool



I'd take 3121 MPLSound and Lotusflow3r over Verbal Penetration anyday.

Verbal Penetration would have made a great 1 CD album but disc two is full of complete crap.

If Prince had put a fake asskissing interview on an album he would be getting ripped to shreds, and that songs about some underground music club is ok for one listen but after that is just a bore, and again Jesse is kissing his own ass.

Shame he put Get Next to you on disc two.
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Reply #29 posted 02/05/10 1:04pm

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Landonfunkmonkey said:

woogiebear said:

I'd like 2 think of it as his SIGN 'O THE TIMES or RAINBOW CHILDREN but BETTER!!!!
And all the preaching that P did on that CD, but y'all didn't say SH*T!!!!! U kissed his ass like U always do!!!!! Let Jesse do his thang!!!!
To me, P hasn't put out anything substansially solid since MUSICOLOGY. Everything else has been spotty at best.
VERBAL PENETRATION musically SH*TS on anything P has done since MUSICOLOGY!!!!
And don't get it twisted- I'm a HUGE fan of BOTH!!!!!
cool cool cool



I'd take 3121 MPLSound and Lotusflow3r over Verbal Penetration anyday.

Verbal Penetration would have made a great 1 CD album but disc two is full of complete crap.

If Prince had put a fake asskissing interview on an album he would be getting ripped to shreds, and that songs about some underground music club is ok for one listen but after that is just a bore, and again Jesse is kissing his own ass.

Shame he put Get Next to you on disc two.

Then you go right ahead and do that. I couldn't squeeze one CD I'd want to listen to out of Prince's recent 3 CD disaster and there's MAYBE two songs I can even tolerate from 3121. If that's what passes for good music to you, then I guess you're on cloud 9 right now.
I'll take Jess for the WIN.
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